The Mayweather effect

Since Mayweathers retirement or even since the Manny fight there seems to be a fast decline in the amount of posts and posters on all boxing forums.

Isn't there anything left to talk about with him gone?

Has his retirement had a direct impact?

If my assumptions are correct then I shouldn't have a reply to this thread. Hope not though.

Thanks

Good riddance to him, his fights rarely delivered excitement. Always weasled his opponents.

My number of posts have gone down lately as i have found a job and can't get on here at work

IMO the reason for the decline in posts is nothing to do with Mayweather, but the fact that the boxing divisions and fighters around at the moment just don't get the juices flowing.

Probably the best posts on here have been about past fighters rather than current fighters who just don't excite.

I have signed in especially to post on this thread and prove Mayweather is not any reason for posters to stop posting.

...that's all I have to add. Cheers.

I never really enjoyed any of Mayweather's fights and didn't look forward to them as they were pretty predictable towards the end of his career.Not sorry to see the end of him.

I think the forum was a bit in decline before this. But hopefully with some decent fights being announced it will pick up again shortly.

It seems to be most forums that I go on. Hope it's not related to me.

Maybe it's not Floyd related, maybe it is. Lots will say that it isn't but that doesn't account for the posters that have stopped and there's been a lot on most sites.

Floyd was a massive part of boxing and specifically boxing forums for years. May Pac for the last 6 years took over most forums. It would be naive to think his retiring wouldn't affect interest overall when hes been shoehorned into most threads over that time.

wheelchair1991 wrote:My number of posts have gone down lately as i have found a job and can't get on here at work

Good luck with the job by the way.

As Spenser said, this place has been in decline for awhile. It's pretty much a ghost town now though. I don't think it's mayweather related. Some of the more antagonistic members of the forum have disappeared, I think that's had a bigger effect on the lack of posts.

The decline was inevitable with Windy's passing but this place is holding up ok. It's gone past its zenith in terms of debate of course. Why that is is arguable. I think what anchors the place is the historical interest in the sport and Windy could be quite inspiring when it came to that. Also it's inevitable that people will eventually exhaust their thoughts and ideas to a degree. But this place can still be instructive.

Although there has been a lull recently, I think quite a few members on here find the place strangely addictive, so it's not of any real concern. It may not be as entertaining perhaps as the old 606 but it is better moderated and a bit more civil than certain other forums, which surely can only be conducive to better debate. Or maybe not now I come to think of it, I think the old 606 threw up more good debates more often to be frank. It's food for thought, maybe this place should relax a little. But equally perhaps it was just that things seemed fresher back then and there were fewer beefs. Nobody wants it to become a slanging match of course so who knows, perhaps the strict moderation is a good thing.  None the less, it should always be thinking of ways in which it can improve. Adaptability is the key.

Regarding our American friend, only a matter of time before he returns surely, he'll be back by public demand. Can't say I ever found him particularly antagonistic. Repetitive and often wrong, but missed by most, it has to be said. Either way, this place is going to be around for a long time to come. You've just got to ride out the lows.

Even on the old 606 there used to be lulls in posting in between big fights but it does seem quiter than usual on here. With Mayweather 'retiring' it is obviously going to have some effect - he has been the sports cash cow and the face of boxing to the casual fan for a decade now. Boxing is also going through a transition period where the next generation of stars have not quite made it to that PPv level. May, Pac, Cotto have or will shortly be coming to the ends of their careers. Canelo seems to be the only bankable PPV star coming through, GGG may be able to get there but needs the likes of the Cotto/Canelo fights to get him there. Chocolatito is a great talent and more double headers with GGG will get peopl talking.Andre Ward through a combination of contractual disputes, injuries, inactivity and lack of excitement is still struggling to be the star that his talent once said he would become. Closer to home, with Froch retired the next superstar could be AJ with future fights against allot, Fury and Wilder as possibilities. Overall, the sports in decent shape and I expect more posts over the next couple of months with a few decent fights on the horizon.

Nico the gman wrote:IMO the reason for the decline in posts is nothing to do with Mayweather, but the fact that the boxing divisions and fighters around at the moment just don't get the juices flowing.

Probably the best posts on here have been about past fighters rather than current fighters who just don't excite.

Posters have sought out fresh starts when fresh starts were not required. Pseudonyms have killed relations, be they good or bad.

If people went back to their original names then everything would return to normal. Rivalries would return to their rotten best, and previous posts could be held against you.

If there was more international boxing on Sky or terrestrial TV then people would have more to talk about.

In the UK promoters expect us to believe some boxers are superstars when in fact they are nothing more than prospects. Careers are too well managed, there is too much propaganda, and there are too many belts too give flying f@ck about professional boxing. I think many share my attitude, which is Meh.

Yeah boxing does not get my juices flowing at all these days even when Mayweather was plying his trade. Its sad but true boxing is all but dead.

Boxing needs a real SPORTING superstar who trancends all sports hopefully for the right reasons. Maybe Joshua can be that man as he seems to have the x factor and has a lot of people excited. Mayweather divided people because outside the ring he was/is a real tool, Manny could not speak proper English and the same goes for GGG.

Tyson was the last great boxing superstar who made headlines both front and back of the tabloids. Like I have said before boxing just needs 1 marquee name to put it at the forefront of peoples minds.

Ragarding the posting decline on 606v2 I will hasten to guess that the recent dissapearence of TRUSSMAN might have something to do with it.

Does anyone know where he has gone? DAVE667 has just recently returned so thats a plus but where is TRUSSYBEAR.

I almost didn't read this as it had mayweather in the title. No doubt that, being such a divisive figure he contributed to much of the debate, but this place has been in decline for some time.

I think the heavyweight wumming and trashing of every thread by the likes of Az, bored a fair few of the better posters off the board a few years back. And a lot of the guys who liked to mix boxing and banter, just do banter now on the culture cup thread.

In the meantime, some of the posters who like a good argument have continued to enjoy ongoing spats with others that are happy to accommodate. With Truss' willingness to start regular threads there was always plenty of opportunity for them.

So, right now, the primary thread starter isn't here, the high volume posters aren't here, the guys who used to do the historical stuff and/or a bit of banter can no longer be bothered and there's hardly any fights happening to talk about. The perfect storm.

On the plus side, if anyone wants to actually debate boxing, maybe they have an outside chance of doing so without getting harassed. Maybe.

I might have to kick start my A-Z of boxing again ;-)

Mayweather definitely divided opinion more than any other boxer on the forum - I'm hoping he's disappearance is good for boxing and the forum - as good as he was he is everything that is wrong with Sport (not just boxing) today, everything and everyone is obsessed with money. Even credible old time guys like Roach now talk nonsense "GGG maybe not big enough name for Cotto"

Its horrible and cringe-worthy and the fans buy into this too - talking about PPV numbers etc.

Cheers, Rodders

Yeah fans arguing who does the best numbers and talking their boxer out of a fight because the numbers don't add up. Really sad.

Couldn't ever see Cotto fighting GGG despite what he says in the ring after a fight. Nothing to do with being a big enough name and all to do with knowing that he'll be destroyed. Cotto doesn't need that at this stage of his career.

Atila wrote:

Nico the gman wrote:IMO the reason for the decline in posts is nothing to do with Mayweather, but the fact that the boxing divisions and fighters around at the moment just don't get the juices flowing.

Probably the best posts on here have been about past fighters rather than current fighters who just don't excite.

...or perhaps there are too many posts about the past, this forum has always been a bit of a boxing history site. Not the way to attract new fans.

3fingers wrote:If there was more international boxing on Sky or terrestrial TV then people would have more to talk about.

Yep. It is more indicative of a sport in trouble, more than any individual boxer. Every fighter the casual fan might be interested in seems to fight on PPV. Too many belts. Fighters avoiding each other. Supposedly top fighters taking on nobodies. Only one decent fighter in the marquee division (and his fights are always boring as hell). And the few houshold name fighters we do have only want to fight once or twice a year!

Very, very, very hard for the sport to attract new fans when this is the state of things.

I disagree with that. I subscribe to Boxnation and they show absolutely loads of fights ranging from classic scraps to amateur bouts to the top P4P fights that sky only dream of getting.

For a tenner.

Cotto Canelo
Jacobs Quillin
Saunders Lee
Lomachenko
Jones Maccarinelli (lol)
Bradley Rhos

I mean come on. That's a shed loads of boxing to talk about with some brilliant fighters involved.

Considering we paid to watch Brook vs Gavin.....you pay the same amount to watch all of the above fights from different divisions.

That lineups isn't including some domestic scraps lined up as well.

Obviously Brandon Rios isn't Welsh.......

Don't be under any illusions Moby that Sky not showing those fights has anything to do with Boxnation, if they want to show an overseas fight then invariably they do. When these fights are being shown at 4am in the morning it's understandable why Sky have no interest in showing them. Boente summed it up well, Boxnation isn't a big enough channel to show Wlad in any meaningful fight, hell he'd have preferred it to be on ITV.

Mayweathers cellmate wrote:

Atila wrote:

Nico the gman wrote:IMO the reason for the decline in posts is nothing to do with Mayweather, but the fact that the boxing divisions and fighters around at the moment just don't get the juices flowing.

Probably the best posts on here have been about past fighters rather than current fighters who just don't excite.

...or perhaps there are too many posts about the past, this forum has always been a bit of a boxing history site. Not the way to attract new fans.

The problem is, you would end up posting about present  fighters who are average or the Wards and Rigondeaux's who hardly ever step into the ring, talking about past fighters and boxing history educates new boxing fans IMO not the opposite.

Lately too many opinions are vanilla. Too many people are willing to listen to an alternative perspective, which is not a bad thing but it, evidently, stifles things.

Previously, Most of the posts on 606 were made by a few individuals who would hold a view point until the very end, even when wrong. They were on an ego trip. They saw appeasement, or compromise, as 'backing down.. and their fragile sense of self worth could not allow that. A lack of anomisity should not be confused apathy. Heslthy debate is alive and kicking.

On aside note, if all had boxnation then conversation would obviously flow, however, for reason or another, that is not the case.

3fingers wrote:Lately too many opinions are vanilla. Too many people are willing to listen to an alternative perspective, which is not a bad thing but it, evidently, stifles things.

Previously, Most of the posts on 606 were made by a few individuals who would hold a view point until the very end, even when wrong. They were on an ego trip. They saw appeasement, or compromise, as 'backing down.. and their fragile sense of self worth could not allow that. A lack of anomisity should not be confused apathy. Heslthy debate is alive and kicking.

On aside note, if all had boxnation then conversation would obviously flow, however, for reason or another, that is not the case.

When my self worth is at its lowest I always find myself over analysing and moaning about other people...

Cheer up kid....

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

3fingers wrote:Lately too many opinions are vanilla. Too many people are willing to listen to an alternative perspective, which is not a bad thing but it, evidently, stifles things.

Previously, Most of the posts on 606 were made by a few individuals who would hold a view point until the very end, even when wrong. They were on an ego trip. They saw appeasement, or compromise, as 'backing down.. and their fragile sense of self worth could not allow that. A lack of anomisity should not be confused apathy. Heslthy debate is alive and kicking.

On aside note, if all had boxnation then conversation would obviously flow, however, for reason or another, that is not the case.

When my self worth is at its lowest I always find myself over analysing and moaning about other people...

Cheer up kid....

You should probably visit a doctor for your condition.

Probably..now come on the Fielding thread with the rest of us..

Not watching it bud, gutted.

Read the thread mate..we'll keep you informed..

Do you know how warren baister got on?

Tko first round

smashingstormcrow wrote:

3fingers wrote:If there was more international boxing on Sky or terrestrial TV then people would have more to talk about.

Yep. It is more indicative of a sport in trouble, more than any individual boxer. Every fighter the casual fan might be interested in seems to fight on PPV. Too many belts. Fighters avoiding each other. Supposedly top fighters taking on nobodies. Only one decent fighter in the marquee division (and his fights are always boring as hell). And the few houshold name fighters we do have only want to fight once or twice a year!

Very, very, very hard for the sport to attract new fans when this is the state of things.

I agree with 3fingers, get boxing on terrestrial tv and people will watch it, get it in the sports section of the newspapers and people will read about. I'm pretty sure C5 had some decent views for their short foray into boxing.

To many belts means nothing to the casual fan they just want to see entertaining fights they're not bothered about the politics, thats the hardcore fan. when Hatton was defending his WBU belt against blown up SFW's, guys fresh out of rehab, nobodies, has beens & never rans the casual fan tuned in and loved every minute of it, 20,000 fans turning up to watch him live.

The powers that be in sports broadcasting are as much to blame for boxings present coverage and popularity.