PRO12 has new Managing Director and he isn't Irish :D :yahoo:

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Munchkin wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Marty, your not interested in his comment regarding Australian involvement in the process or neutrality then...?

Hines seems to be saying that he is neutral,....

I read it pretty much the opposite......

Hmmmm... The headline yesterday was something like 'Scotland Pour Cold Water on Claim of bias'. Think that's the why it should be read.

But I'm an arrogant gimp, so don't take my word for it

(note just cut all the quotes down for space)

If there were no Claims Of Bias, then the SRU would not have needed to poor cold water on them, no??


note: almost at that magic number of posts when the mods come and lock down the thread

Munchkin wrote:No, that doesn't count. Don't ask me why though. Not telling  

Yes, it's all a bit knee jerk. Scotland should be in a semi final. Wales would have been, but for injuries, I believe. Small margins.

I feel for Scotland, if Joubert saw things different they would have been in, but then you can also argue if Foley had his kicking boots on they wouldn't, but then you can argue that if Ford and Grey had not been cited, banned, and unbanned they would have had more prep and been in.................

Fact is the NH fell short, and knee jerk reactions are always the first ones to hit the press.

Yep, gutted for Scotland really, but encouraged by the signs that they are on the up.

There's so many variables as to the loses, but there isn't much of a gap between the NH and SH sides. The only real gap, and a huge gap, is between NZ and the rest. Can't see that changing any time soon.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/34577835

I think this is a fair assessment from the Pumas defence coach, playing the All Blacks more frequently has helped them

I hate this league-ish talk of NH v SH.  You all love your leagues so much.  I blame it on football!

I grew up supporting the All Blacks, I think even before I even knew Ireland existed as a rugby playing Nation.  And I loved Campese and willed him on.  I have a soft spot for old South Africa this time after their shock to Japan - and would probably like them to go on to win the thing now (big ask against ABs in their form)

I don't really regard myself or my side as a 'NH' side, holding out the hopes for the others, or indeed  see Wales or Scotland as holding onto my hopes either.  It's a bit of a joke really when you see that we have SH coaches, that we have SH players.

I think the bunk about NH and SH weakens us.  Separate ourselves from that media guff and be ourselves, onto ourselves and try to beat the bejaysus out of anyone we come into contact with, be they from the South or the North.

I did post about something, but decided it is that woeful a subject it deserves its own thread.

Congratulations to the two PRO12 refs, Nigel Owens and John Lacey who are rated as the two best refs in the world at the moment.

Sin é wrote:Congratulations to the two PRO12 refs, Nigel Owens and John Lacey who are rated as the two best refs in the world at the moment.

That are not either Australian or New Zealanders

Well no Aussies were deemed good enough to ref at any stage of the tournament and Jackson and Pollock weren't given any knockout games so yes the two best in the world

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Sin é wrote:Congratulations to the two PRO12 refs, Nigel Owens and John Lacey who are rated as the two best refs in the world at the moment.

That are not either Australian or New Zealanders

... or English or French; which I guess is the main inference anyway.

New Pro12 MD doing a tour of PRO12 clubs/provinces/regions:

Here is what he is saying about them on twitter:

Martin Anayi ‏@TinoAnayi  Oct 16
Great day at Parc y Scarlets @scarlets_rugby @PRO12rugby & v impressed by their management, vision, and facilities

Martin Anayi ‏@TinoAnayi  Oct 26
What a fantastic venue for @PRO12rugby @ospreys interesting to find out more about the Club this am from management

Martin Anayi ‏@TinoAnayi  Oct 27
Spent the afternoon @dragonsrugby - Stuart is putting the Rodney Parade fan experience 1st - must be a rocking place to watch @PRO12rugby

Martin Anayi ‏@TinoAnayi  19h19 hours ago
Martin Anayi Retweeted Munster Rugby
Thanks @Munsterrugby a great organisation with clear vision on what @PRO12rugby can become & desire to help build it.

This has to go in this thread

Brian Moore ‏@brianmoore666 20m20 minutes ago
Unconfirmed but well sourced rumour Bruce Craig in Ireland discussing breakaway for Bath to pro12 if PRL don't stop clubs making statements

This response probably sums the situation up:

Brian McLaughlin ‏@briguy_1 15m15 minutes ago
@brianmoore666 that guy is about as popular as herpes in Ireland...

Sin é wrote:This has to go in this thread

Brian Moore ‏@brianmoore666 20m20 minutes ago
Unconfirmed but well sourced rumour Bruce Craig in Ireland  discussing breakaway for Bath to pro12 if PRL don't stop clubs making statements

This response probably sums the situation up:

Brian McLaughlin ‏@briguy_1 15m15 minutes ago
@brianmoore666 that guy is about as popular as herpes in Ireland...

repost that over on the AP thread sin.... it'll lighten the mood....

Sin é wrote:This has to go in this thread

Brian Moore ‏@brianmoore666 20m20 minutes ago
Unconfirmed but well sourced rumour Bruce Craig in Ireland  discussing breakaway for Bath to pro12 if PRL don't stop clubs making statements

This response probably sums the situation up:

Brian McLaughlin ‏@briguy_1 15m15 minutes ago
@brianmoore666 that guy is about as popular as herpes in Ireland...

He's getting some response to that tweet. Hope he keeps up the good work.

Good man McLaughlin I wouldn't want the likes of Craig or Wray anywhere near the Pro12.

Sin é wrote:This has to go in this thread

Brian Moore ‏@brianmoore666 20m20 minutes ago
Unconfirmed but well sourced rumour Bruce Craig in Ireland  discussing breakaway for Bath to pro12 if PRL don't stop clubs making statements

This response probably sums the situation up:

Brian McLaughlin ‏@briguy_1 15m15 minutes ago
@brianmoore666 that guy is about as popular as herpes in Ireland...

That'll be Chunky happy...or not

Sin é wrote:New Pro12 MD doing a tour of PRO12 clubs/provinces/regions:

Here is what he is saying about them on twitter:

Martin Anayi ‏@TinoAnayi  Oct 16
Great day at Parc y Scarlets @scarlets_rugby @PRO12rugby & v impressed by their management, vision, and facilities

Martin Anayi ‏@TinoAnayi  Oct 26
What a fantastic venue for @PRO12rugby @ospreys interesting to find out more about the Club this am from management

Martin Anayi ‏@TinoAnayi  Oct 27
Spent the afternoon @dragonsrugby - Stuart is putting the Rodney Parade fan experience 1st - must be a rocking place to watch @PRO12rugby

Martin Anayi ‏@TinoAnayi  19h19 hours ago
Martin Anayi Retweeted Munster Rugby
Thanks @Munsterrugby a great organisation with clear vision on what @PRO12rugby can become & desire to help build it.

Great vision. Great club. Great management.

Everything's great. Job done.

Well 'vision' would imply that the job isn't done.

Munchkin wrote:Well 'vision' would imply that the job isn't done.

and blinkered would indicate Chunkys arrived

Slightly surprised he hasn't jumped on the Bath to Pro12 thing. Maybe he is working on the wording of a new thread though.

Probably trying to figure out how it means the IRFU are rigging it all for the Provinces if it were to happen

Even though it seems to all come from one Brian Moore tweet and everyone seems to be running with it

Maybe if he could tweet how fair and even handed the Pro12 refs are we could kill most of the arguments on here

marty2086 wrote:Probably trying to figure out how it means the IRFU are rigging it all for the Provinces if it were to happen

Even though it seems to all come from one Brian Moore tweet and everyone seems to be running with it

Maybe if he could tweet how fair and even handed the Pro12 refs are we could kill most of the arguments on here

People are buying it because Moore has never come across a the sort to lie and talk poop. And if he were to say the Pro12 refs were of a decent quality, we would all know he was talking poop and then his reputation would be gone.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

marty2086 wrote:Probably trying to figure out how it means the IRFU are rigging it all for the Provinces if it were to happen

Even though it seems to all come from one Brian Moore tweet and everyone seems to be running with it

Maybe if he could tweet how fair and even handed the Pro12 refs are we could kill most of the arguments on here

People are buying it because Moore has never come across a the sort to lie and talk poop.  And if he were to say the Pro12 refs were of a decent quality, we would all know he was talking poop and then his reputation would be gone.

If you read the tweet he said it was not only unconfirmed but a rumour

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

marty2086 wrote:Probably trying to figure out how it means the IRFU are rigging it all for the Provinces if it were to happen

Even though it seems to all come from one Brian Moore tweet and everyone seems to be running with it

Maybe if he could tweet how fair and even handed the Pro12 refs are we could kill most of the arguments on here

People are buying it because Moore has never come across a the sort to lie and talk poop.  And if he were to say the Pro12 refs were of a decent quality, we would all know he was talking poop and then his reputation would be gone.

Brian Moore talks plenty poop.

I won't actually believe it myself unless convinced by further information. If it is true, Craig is either panicking or, along with others, is hoping to promote his dream of a super league.

Funny if after having paid all those bribes the truth comes out anyway

Munchkin wrote:I won't actually believe it myself unless convinced by further information. If it is true, Craig is either panicking or, along with others, is hoping to promote his dream of a super league.

The funny thing is that if true....he's in Ireland. The IRFU made it known they felt they were negotiating with a can of snakes in the European Championship. Brown seldom made a secret of it. That encounter was a barely disguised knife-in-the-back, bare-knuckle fight behind the closed doors for all participants. Left a lot of bad blood and a lot of mistrust.

And now here is one of the likely lads arriving with a dove of peace (after all the cotton-wool and 'advantages' sneers) to talk with, amongst others, the IRFU about being let into the Pro12......................

It would be nice to be a fly-on-the-wall there (if true): "Hmmm............................ let's discuss..................terms. First up, I'm not sure we have enough European places left to be of a mind to share with you boys."

Sin é wrote:This has to go in this thread

Brian Moore ‏@brianmoore666 20m20 minutes ago
Unconfirmed but well sourced rumour Bruce Craig in Ireland  discussing breakaway for Bath to pro12 if PRL don't stop clubs making statements

This response probably sums the situation up:

Brian McLaughlin ‏@briguy_1 15m15 minutes ago
@brianmoore666 that guy is about as popular as herpes in Ireland...

Brian Moore ‏@brianmoore666 20s21 seconds ago
I am deleting this as it turns out to be unfounded & why it was heavily caveated; other comments not so guarded.

So Brian Moore confirms that he does talk Poop?

Some true believers will be in shock..

SecretFly wrote:

Munchkin wrote:I won't actually believe it myself unless convinced by further information. If it is true, Craig is either panicking or, along with others, is hoping to promote his dream of a super league.

The funny thing is that if true....he's in Ireland.  The IRFU made it known they felt they were negotiating with a can of snakes in the European Championship.  Brown seldom made a secret of it.  That encounter was a barely disguised knife-in-the-back, bare-knuckle fight behind the closed doors for all participants.  Left a lot of bad blood and a lot of mistrust.

And now here is one of the likely lads arriving with a dove of peace (after all the cotton-wool and 'advantages' sneers) to talk with, amongst others, the IRFU about being let into the Pro12......................

It would be nice to be a fly-on-the-wall there (if true):  "Hmmm............................ let's discuss..................terms.   First up, I'm not sure we have enough European places left to be of a mind to share with you boys."  

I don't think the IRFU will be rolling out the red carpet for that spiv. More like rolling him in it

Chunky Norwich wrote:

Sin é wrote:This has to go in this thread

Brian Moore ‏@brianmoore666 20m20 minutes ago
Unconfirmed but well sourced rumour Bruce Craig in Ireland  discussing breakaway for Bath to pro12 if PRL don't stop clubs making statements

This response probably sums the situation up:

Brian McLaughlin ‏@briguy_1 15m15 minutes ago
@brianmoore666 that guy is about as popular as herpes in Ireland...

Brian Moore ‏@brianmoore666 20s21 seconds ago
I am deleting this as it turns out to be unfounded & why it was heavily caveated; other comments not so guarded.

Well that's that one put to bed. Fun while it lasted though.

SecretFly wrote:So Brian Moore confirms that he does talk Poop?

Some true believers will be in shock..

A retraction is a good thing no? Shows honesty.

Shows he was having a laugh and is covering up by saying he believed it to keep his.................em ...reputation in tact.

In other words, Scarlet..... make room for him under the bridge. He's not getting my place, I worked damn hard today to get it.

Munchkin wrote: still not evidence of any ref being a colleague of any of the Provinces players, much less any proof of your tin hatted conspiracy of collusion.

What about now?

Martin Anayi wrote:“The Unions provide the officials and that's important to make sure as we the Pro12 are not paying for the referees.”

Chunky Norwich wrote:

Munchkin wrote: still not evidence of any ref being a colleague of any of the Provinces players, much less any proof of your tin hatted conspiracy of collusion.

What about now?

Martin Anayi wrote:“The Unions provide the officials and that's important to make sure as we the Pro12 are not paying for the referees.”

What about what now? The Anay comment doesn't, in any way, back your tin hatted conspiracy.

Thought not.

If you think his comment in any way supports your comment that refs are colleagues of players/managers, spit it out.

Munchkin to be fair on this one thing he is right, then again if you spout enough poop you are bound to be right on something but it also proves him wrong and that the Welsh refs are colleagues of the Welsh squad

marty2086 wrote:Munchkin to be fair on this one thing he is right, then again if you spout enough poop you are bound to be right on something but it also proves him wrong and that the Welsh refs are colleagues of the Welsh squad

No he isn't. My argument was never that the Refs aren't employed by the Unions. Someone has to be paying them. My argument was that the refs are not colleagues of players and managers. I was clear in how I defined that. It's like saying a towns council building control manager is a colleague of a refuse collector.

colleague
1. One that is very similar to another in rank or position:
coequal, compeer, equal, equivalent, fellow, peer.
2. One who is united in a relationship with another:
affiliate, ally, associate, cohort, confederate, copartner, fellow, partner.

Valid point I suppose

It's an argument of semantics, but Chunky's definition is one that sides the ref with the player/manager/club, as if they were peers, playing for the same team. This is the tin hatted conspiracy I was referring too.

Munchkin wrote:It's an argument of semantics, but Chunky's definition is one that sides the ref with the player/manager/club, as if they were peers, playing for the same team. This is the tin hatted conspiracy I was referring too.

Hmm not really a conspiracy is it.

IRFU>Owns 4 provinces

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

IRFU>Pays referees

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

IRFU paid Refeees > referee those provinces that IRFU own


Now. Hands up anybody on this forum that disagrees with any of this.


Anybody?

Chunky Norwich wrote:

Munchkin wrote:It's an argument of semantics, but Chunky's definition is one that sides the ref with the player/manager/club, as if they were peers, playing for the same team. This is the tin hatted conspiracy I was referring too.

Hmm not really a conspiracy is it.

IRFU>Owns 4 provinces

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

IRFU>Pays referees

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

IRFU paid Refeees > referee those provinces that IRFU own


Now. Hands up anybody on this forum that disagrees with any of this.


Anybody?

You are bordering on genius

Point made.

Any sane person will join up the dots.

Keep providing the giggles, Chunky. You're great value

Pro 12 has referees problems, if Lacey is considered the best Irish ref we are in serious troubles, another pathetic performance from him right now including the softest yellow card i have ever seen after 4 odds minutes. Maybe he is just bitter Argentina kicked Ireland arse i don't know.

VinceWLB wrote:Pro 12 has referees problems, if Lacey is considered the best Irish ref we are in serious troubles, another pathetic performance from him right now including the softest yellow card i have ever seen after 4 odds minutes. Maybe he is just bitter Argentina kicked Ireland arse i don't know.

Indeed. Watch out for flying potatoes with that attitude though.

VinceWLB wrote:Pro 12 has referees problems, if Lacey is considered the best Irish ref we are in serious troubles, another pathetic performance from him right now including the softest yellow card i have ever seen after 4 odds minutes. Maybe he is just bitter Argentina kicked Ireland arse i don't know.

Have you been bitten by a troll? Might be infectious...

Surprised at you, Vince.

He's having a good game. Time doesn't dictate when you get a yellow.

Munchkin wrote:

VinceWLB wrote:Pro 12 has referees problems, if Lacey is considered the best Irish ref we are in serious troubles, another pathetic performance from him right now including the softest yellow card i have ever seen after 4 odds minutes. Maybe he is just bitter Argentina kicked Ireland arse i don't know.

Have you been bitten by a troll? Might be infectious...

Surprised at you, Vince.

I just find it strange how ref are rated and for me this is not acceptable, did you agree with the yellow card?

SecretFly wrote:He's having a good game.  Time doesn't dictate when you get a yellow.  

Still that's got to be the softest yellow card ever, tackle wasn't even completed.