Tonights Action SPOILERS

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Thread for all of tonights action. First fight is supposed to be starting at around 8.05 and is going to be Chris Jenkins vs Tyrone Nurse in a rematch for the vacant British title.

The Colombian was crap. But watching the first fight where he supposedly had an off night, Crolla would have lost clearly without those points deductions.

Then, takes an immediate rematch back in Manchester to just cover up and hit the deck in the middle of the fight to an ordinary looking body shot? Please.

You think he was crap..Wait to see Crolla's first 5 defences..

When you saw Fielding in Murray's corner at the end...You knew he was screwed..

To be honest Truss I'm getting sick of boxing lately. Everyone's defences are crap. Its just borefest after borefest after borefest.

Two 'world title' fights tonight and both were damp squibs for me. Murray just plodding along at one pace for 12 rounds bar the odd burst. Crolla Perez was pretty poor even if the stoppage was genuine.

Earlier in the card we had to endure the supposed super talented Burnett go through the motions against a 38 year old journey man who'd been out for a year but still walks into a British title fight. Joke.

Next month we're all supposed to pay an extra £15 to watch AJ walk through another spud.

Boxings in a state.

Crolla looked the better and hungrier fighter over the two fights. Never seen Perez box prior to Crolla but not really sure where his reputation was coming from as a quality boxer.

Crolla has been boxing in a strong domestic lightweight division. Id be willing to bet he actually had the better experience and was more seasoned that Perez, not to mention improving. I was going to have a punt on Crolla. Sorry I didnt.

Children, children.

Perez was wincing at body shots before he was felled.

I remember people questioning hatton's punch against Castillo.

Crolla isn't the greatest but he deserved the win.

Murray blew his chance but is a decent fighter.

Truss is just on his period.

Well Kevin Mitchell fights Barrosso in a WBA final eliminator on Dec 12th, so one of those two will be Crolla's first defence.

I am genuinly happy for Crolla and I am pleased Britain has a new world champion

Have to say well done to Crolla.  From having a cracked skull, which could have been a fatal injury, to having two world title fights - one a 12 round draw and the other a fifth round stoppage - and becoming a world boxing champion in the space of less than a year is hard to believe.  It could certainly form the basis of a plot in a Hollywood movie.

Rigondeaux continuing to commit career suicide

Preferred when Rigondeux fought in obscurity

All the talent in the world and probably the most boring fighter to watch. And the worst thing about it, is whenever he's let his hands go in the past he has speed and power at the weight and caqn be quite ferocious

If rigondeux had any sense he could've made a decent amount of living in his career

Please retire

Great fight between Muira and Vargas

Tasty fight this, after having been in trouble in the first and losing the first 3 muiras pressure is telling, just breaking vargas down

Fight reminding me of Figueroa Arakawa if arakawa was a power puncher

Wow what a fight

Vargas rocked bad the last 20 seconds of round 8, round 9 come sout and drops Muira early and heavily. Next 40 seconds kept pouring it on had Muira all over the place even though muira was throwing back but his head was getting knocked all over the place, good stoppage imo if anyone thinks it's controversial

Bring on Canelo-Cotto

Going exactly as expected, cotto outworking canelo landing the heavier shots clearly winning the third getting his right hand in

2-1 Cotto

Disgusting scoring, absolutely shocking even if the right guy won imo

119-110
118-110
117-111
All for Canelo

I thought he won 115-113 personally but lots of rounds cotto outworked Canelo. Canelo was jsut frustrating to watch, when he let his hands go he looked a class apart but too much posturing and feinting and not enough punching from canelo, could've stopped Cotto tonight if he threw about 10% more punches per round.

Ain't a Canelo fight if he doesn't get at least one near perfect pitch on the cards

Thought Canelo won comfortably. Cotto landed nothing

Had it 116-112 Canelo. Really surprised at the 119-110 scorecard though the 118 scorecard wasn't much better.

Good fight enjoyed that had Alvarez 116-112. Not sure on anything wider than that. The cards seemed wide In my eyes but Alvarez clearly won.

Watched this while pretending to be a trampoline with a 3 year old bouncing on my chest so I had to fast fwd a couple of rounds. From what I saw, Cotto was the superior boxer, he couldn't miss with the jab. Size of Canelo and power shots landed swung it Canelo favour, but I much preffered cottos work, i probably would have given it to him.

Khan : You have to win big to win in Germany..

Scandalously true.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Khan : You have to win big to win in Germany..

Scandalously true.

you could easily say that about any non british fighter fighting over here, oh and dont get punched otherwise the ref will step in

Anybody know the fight night weights? Watching it now and Canelo looks huge.

Also, why is Canelo refusing to fight somebody his own size? He must know that right now he's just beating up little guys.

Not really. They both weighed within the contracted weight limit so he isn't exactly beating up little guys. Tommy Hearns was a monster.

Terrance Crawford is also huge at the weight.

He blows up well overnight to about 170. Most put on a few pounds.

It just indicates to be that Cotto has no right and never did have a right in being a 160 lbs fighter. Ever.

Does anybody know how Canelo manages to drop and gain so much weight? I'm not accusing him of cheating but I just remember when Chavez was going from 160 to 180 over night everybody questioned it and it was pretty much the consensus that he was using illegal means to do it. But when Canelo goes from 155 to 175 everybody just puts it down to his youth.

compelling and rich wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Khan : You have to win big to win in Germany..

Scandalously true.

you could easily say that about any non british fighter fighting over here, oh and dont get punched otherwise the ref will step in

In fairness I had Crolla winning the first fight...........If you're South American and have a WBC/WBA and fight in the uK you have a chance..

If you're from anywhere else forget it.

Was a fairly comfortable win in the end for Alvarez, the power was the big difference. Cotto boxed well in parts but he cannot fight on the back foot, he moved back a lot but to stop and sit in the pocket to throw anything and was subsequently getting nailed.

The scorecards were too wide however.

Think posters like Haz..............Saw something we didn't in the Martinez fight....

I saw a dead on his feet champion that Daniel Geale would have knocked out..

cant say ive ever been overly impressed with cotto, seen a very flawed fighter since that first marg fight, he should have lost to clottey after that and since then the only good fighter he's beaten was a old martinez while losing another four

I thought he was an amazingly built and talented 140 pounder.......Compact....Skillful..Big..

Not quite the same above 140 for me....Think also the Manny stuffing took a lot out of him too...

Which is a shame because I didn't buy Manny back then......

Feel thats a bit harsh, don't understand how you can't be impressed with cotto he's been at the top or around the top for the last decade.

He may have lost a couple but battled through a lot of adversary and has never embarrassed himself. Manny and floyd were the best fighters in the world, the margarito fight is surrounded in controversy, Trout was stylistically awful for him and Canelo was just too big and too young.

A very good win over Mosley, good wins over Judah, malignaggi, Gomez, Torres, Clottey, Ndou, Mayorga, Geale and while tainted by injury the win over martinez, it wasn't his fault martinez came into the fight unhealthy.

His body wasn't built for middeleweight and probably wasn't meant for lightmiddle either.

Don't expect him to retire can see him fighting Bradley and going out with a win, didn't embarrass himself last night

I thought Alvarez won pretty clearly. Cotto did well hang in there and make it a fight though. I thought he was more hurt than he let on by a lot of Alvarez punching and in the 7th or 8th round I thought he was about to go. He stuck it out pretty gamely. Alvarez was bossing the fight, although he is a bit one paced.

Mayweather's win is getting better all the time.

im not dismissing his light welter career he was a very good light welter, should have worded it better but not been impressed with him since the first lost to marg should have said. not really done anything to impress me since. whether or not it was due to marg wrappings and the beating or he simply couldnt use his size advantage anymore is something i doubt we'll ever find out

always thought hatton v cotto would have been a belter

Roach thought Cotto had won the fight, here's the press conference he starts talking around 12 minutes in.

Not the classic brawl many (including me) was hoping for.

Had Canelo clearly winning around 8 rounds to 4. Canelo was way too passive and to me shows he's not elite and will always struggle with people who box smart.

The scorecards were unfair but always on the cards.

Cotto looked good but his punches didn't seem to have much power to them and looked like he was point scoring whilst Canelo was trying to stop Cotto.

Cotto shouldn't of been able to spoil the MW division with his catch weight fares so a good result and he should have 2-3 more fights at LMW.

Oscar De La Hoya is already back tracking on Canelo fighting GGG.

It will be interesting to see where the WBC go with this now. I dont think Golden Boy will be following through with a Golovkin fight. Hope Im wrong.

I thought it was a toss-up at the end - neither managed to put daylight between them. Scores were absolutely ridiculous.

I don't understand how to score a fight anymore, I don't understand boxing

Cotto was the boxer in there and he made Canelo swing and miss A LOT, there was no way he was going to stand and trade with Canelo who outweighed him by 2 divisions. He did exactly what I thought he would, but apparently clean punching doesn't mean anything any more.

Canelo landed the flashier punches and the harder punches, but Cotto boxed brilliantly, it wasn't running he used side to side movement and the only time he got caught was when he planted his feet.

I thought it was 7-5 Cotto, but maybe I gave his boxing too much credit.

116-112 I just cannot see unless you perceive Cotto to be in survival mode the whole fight, which I just don't see. He wasn't running in this fight, he just used lateral movement brilliantly.

hazharrison wrote:I thought it was a toss-up at the end - neither managed to put daylight between them. Scores were absolutely ridiculous.

I'm with you, it depends on what you like, Canelo landing a few flashy punches per round (a lot of which were blocked as well) or Cotto's boxing and combination punching.

To get those wide scores you literally have to ignore what Cotto did.

You do ignore that Cotto was barely landing anything clean himself, Alvarez was the cleaner, harder more accurate puncher for the majority of the fight and that's why he won. Cotto retreating while throwing nothing isn't smart boxing, if you're on the back foot you do need to throw punches at the same time which he didn't do.

BoxingFan88 wrote:I don't understand how to score a fight anymore, I don't understand boxing

Cotto was the boxer in there and he made Canelo swing and miss A LOT, there was no way he was going to stand and trade with Canelo who outweighed him by 2 divisions. He did exactly what I thought he would, but apparently clean punching doesn't mean anything any more.

Canelo landed the flashier punches and the harder punches, but Cotto boxed brilliantly, it wasn't running he used side to side movement and the only time he got caught was when he planted his feet.

I thought it was 7-5 Cotto, but maybe I gave his boxing too much credit.

116-112 I just cannot see unless you perceive Cotto to be in survival mode the whole fight, which I just don't see. He wasn't running in this fight, he just used lateral movement brilliantly.

Reading that was like reading someone else type my mind.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:You do ignore that Cotto was barely landing anything clean himself, Alvarez was the cleaner, harder more accurate puncher for the majority of the fight and that's why he won. Cotto retreating while throwing nothing isn't smart boxing, if you're on the back foot you do need to throw punches at the same time which he didn't do.

???? Cotto was landing, it wasn't as hard but he was landing, he was sometimes landing 3-4 punch combinations.

As for accuracy, Alvarez was hitting air a lot as well or getting blocked.

I mean when he did land it definitely looked flashier and harder.

No he wasn't, he was landing combinations on the gloves and arms or just falling short.

Compubox seem to agree with HH, "Canelo landed 155 of 484 punches (32%), compared to 129 of 629 (21%) for Cotto."

He couldn't miss with jab. He landed combos and body shots too, but couldn't make a dint in Canelo - he was simply too big and strong.  Cotto made Canelo miss A LOT, but when he did land (with the left hook to the body and the overhand right to the head) they were telling eye-catching hurtful shots. I think people scored those shots rather than cottos subtle skill.

Computerbox was rigged, obviously.

PaulHv2 wrote:Compubox seem to agree with HH, "Canelo landed 155 of 484 punches (32%), compared to 129 of 629 (21%) for Cotto."

I never ever pay attention to Compubox they are always way off, maybe what I thought landed was missing then, I doubt Canelo out landed Cotto

3fingers wrote:He couldn't miss with jab. He landed combos and body shots too, but couldn't make a dint in Canelo - he was simply too big and strong.  Cotto made Canelo miss A LOT, but when he did land (with the left hook to the body and the overhand right to the head) they were telling eye-catching hurtful shots. I think people scored those shots rather than cottos subtle skill.

We are fully in agreement mate, but like I said I don't get it anymore, for each fighter its different rules these days...

Cotto's lateral movement was superb and it was NOT running

I think people are trying to be smart by suggesting Cotto won that, the subtle skill didn't achieve anything nor did he land with any regularity, the guy landing ALL the big shots does win the rounds and rightfully so.

Seems to be a growing trend that certain posters are unable to accept that predicted a fight wrong, grasping at anything so that they can say their man won.