Forget Wlad - Fury. What About CHUNKY???

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Chunky De Gale fights Lucian Bute tonight yet hardly anyone's mentioned it. How do we see the IBF champ doing?

I have a feeling that DeGale will want to prove a point - I don't think that Bute is the force he once was so I'm going for a DeGale KO. However I don't think Bute will make it easy for him given that the fight's in Canada - DeGale KO8.

What about you guys?

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Tunes; Bute looked awful against Grachev and even worse against Pascal, it's a name on Degale's record but not much more than that.

Grachev was his return fight after the heavy loss, he won, Pascal he had to go up and weight and was not quite as bad as you make out. Then got a 4th rd stoppage in his next fight back at weight. Hardly a confirmation of a shot fighter.

Many people say when you get knocked out or suffer a beating it can take you 3 or 4 fights before you can get over it. Bute was game, and it was a good win, haters will hate....

milkyboy wrote:

tunes666 wrote:I think Degale has also hinted that he is disappointed with the British fans and why he is fighting out of the country,  As after being a Olympic Champ and now world champ with a string of great results, he still gets haters...  He is going to go the Khan root I think.

well if he can find a country where everyone doesn't think he's a knob, good luck to him. Might take a while.

The Americans are taking a liking to him...

Still acting like a child then Tunes, Bute really was poor in both those fights and then knocked out a nobody, hardly the form of somebody near the top of his game.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Still acting like a child then Tunes, Bute really was poor in both those fights and then knocked out a nobody, hardly the form of somebody near the top of his game.

Anyone could see that Bute was fighting well, and in his last fight he dispersed of his opponent as a good fighter should have. Bute would have given Groves nightmares and probably would have beaten him.

I don't see any recent evidence to suggest any such thing, I could make the very simplistic argument that Groves beat Degale and gave Froch all he could handle whilst Bute was handily beaten by one and destroyed by the other.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I don't see any recent evidence to suggest any such thing, I could make the very simplistic argument that Groves beat Degale and gave Froch all he could handle whilst Bute was handily beaten by one and destroyed by the other.

Or you could say that Groves had three title shots and lost all three of them, Froch beat Bute in his back own back yard though struggled in his own back yard with a dodgy decision at home with Dirrell who many felt beat Froch.

And then go on to say Degale became world champ away from home in his first title shot against Dirrell, then beat a strong looking Bute away in his own back yard with an UD.

Then you could also ask who Groves has beaten?.... Well his best win actually being Degale in a fight most had Degale winning, about 5 years ago in Degales 11th Pro Fight... (you can hang on to that if you like) maybe you can throw in a 43 year old Johnston as well.... but that's pretty much it,

So, all in all, I think your very simplistic argument is ...well, very simple.

Froch had the chance to fight Degale, but he chose to drop the belt and force him to fight Dirrell for the strap.

It was a pretty big fight, with cash to be made and a chance to beat an up and coming fighter who may go on to be a good win on Froches record... Froch was not looking for bigger fish, as Chaves was not a big fish and he clearly did not fancy Ward again..

He simply did not want to fight Degale.

Degale would have beaten Froch and certainly would beat him now if they fought.
He would out box him, and take advantage of is low guard and is much better on the inside than Groves is and has a better chin.

Chaves is a much much bigger fish than Degale, who still seems to be a small fish, albeit one with a belt.

No most people didn't have Degale winning, it was near enough a 50/50 split with most being impressed that Groves changed his gameplan and beat Degale at his own game.

I like Degale and think he could be a very good fighter but think he tries to hard to be the big man and force people to try and like him (like the bully at school that just wants to be loved) instead of relying on himself. Also think there's something missing which will stop him being a major force.

Good luck to him though, he's a worthy champ at the moment but needs to step on the gas in the middle rounds.

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Wonder if people will shut up now about how Froch should have stayed active and fought DeGale.

Makes a meal of getting through a guy Froch blew away in a few rounds who was several fights older by the time they fought.

Styles make fights,  there is no way Froch would outbox Bute as the start of his fight showed.  Bute was fighting away from home for the first time while Froch was fighting in his home town.

Also there was nothing really to confirm Bute is past it as this fight also suggested where he dug in very deep.

He was just not the top world class fighter everyone thought.  who did he beat before Froch beat him?

That being said he has experienced and is a decent fighter.

Look what a nightmare Groves gave Froch,  anyone who does jot think Degale Froch would have been a good fight is either a hater or does not know boxing..

Froch knows Degale is better that Groves and did not fancy it,  bottom line.

Abolsute baloney.  Why would Froch fear a guy that got beat (twice) by a guy he's just beaten (twice)?

A guy with no power to hold Froch off?  A guy who loves to switch off during fits and lie against the ropes absorbing punishment in a daydream?

JDG would win rounds where he was focussed but he would at some point switch off and get steamrollered.

Comments re Bute are verging on embarrassing.

ok, so go and bring up Degales 11th pro fight from nearly 5 years ago? but that's being a bit desperate and blatantly bias....

If I remember right you got a bit of brown nose syndrome for Groves, as when he fought Froch you were hating on me for back Froch, not your supporting Froch because you hate Degale more and your boy Groves could not win a strap after three attempts.

Dagale has decent power, and nearly stopped Dirrell in the second round, soothing Froch came no where near doing.  And if you cant see that Bute in his home town is a decent win, then you dont know your boxing and your just a hater...

Typical numpty response. Dealing in turn:

1. And it was Groves' 13th. Both had similar amateur pedigree, albeit James with the gold and George with the win, and JDG had shown nothing since their pro fight that he'd over taken Groves. As most others have said, up until 12-18 months ago JDG was a nobody on the international scene and had no record to worry a Froch.

2. Funny you bring that up, you were utterly humiliated when someone posted a slow-mo which proved you were talking out your backside.

3. Decent power? Yes. And who with only 'decent power' has ever made a dent on Froch? Bute had 'decent' power. So did Kessler and Abraham. Pascal had more than decent power. They all lost and none of them made Froch touch the canvas.

4. Since Froch, Bute has only beaten the two nobody's he's fought. One of whom has lost every fight since. Bute lost to Pascal who is a long long long way of his best. And yet grinding out a points win is meant to be a good result? Behave, kid.

tunes666 wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Still acting like a child then Tunes, Bute really was poor in both those fights and then knocked out a nobody, hardly the form of somebody near the top of his game.

Anyone could see that Bute was fighting well, and in his last fight he dispersed of his opponent as a good fighter should have.  Bute would have given Groves nightmares and probably would have beaten him.

His opponent was a 17-2 chump who'd already managed to lose to Rebrasse and Ali Ndiaye (me neither) FFS...!!

Wasn't Rebrasse one of Callum Smiths opponent as an up and comer?

I don't know what more some fighters can do............

If Rooney scored 40 goals in the premiership this season...some of the types on here would say he's crap because he hasn't scored 41 !!....

Leave top fighters who have been there and done it alone !!

Do you think Rooney is still a top player??

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Still acting like a child then Tunes, Bute really was poor in both those fights and then knocked out a nobody, hardly the form of somebody near the top of his game.

Anyone could see that Bute was fighting well, and in his last fight he dispersed of his opponent as a good fighter should have.  Bute would have given Groves nightmares and probably would have beaten him.

His opponent was a 17-2 chump who'd already managed to lose to Rebrasse and Ali Ndiaye (me neither) FFS...!!

I was not saying it was a great win but he delt with him as a class boxer should have.. better that Rebrasse did in fact

How did you think Bute looked last weekend? shot? the proofs in the pudding he was in good shape tough and boxed ok.... could it be, now I don't want this to hurt, ... that Degale is good? :o

I thought he looked the same.. useless... one dimensional oaf he's always looked...but a little slower and easier to hit..

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Wonder if people will shut up now about how Froch should have stayed active and fought DeGale.

Makes a meal of getting through a guy Froch blew away in a few rounds who was several fights older by the time they fought.

Styles make fights,  there is no way Froch would outbox Bute as the start of his fight showed.  Bute was fighting away from home for the first time while Froch was fighting in his home town.

Also there was nothing really to confirm Bute is past it as this fight also suggested where he dug in very deep.

He was just not the top world class fighter everyone thought.  who did he beat before Froch beat him?

That being said he has experienced and is a decent fighter.

Look what a nightmare Groves gave Froch,  anyone who does jot think Degale Froch would have been a good fight is either a hater or does not know boxing..

Froch knows Degale is better that Groves and did not fancy it,  bottom line.

Abolsute baloney.  Why would Froch fear a guy that got beat (twice) by a guy he's just beaten (twice)?

A guy with no power to hold Froch off?  A guy who loves to switch off during fits and lie against the ropes absorbing punishment in a daydream?

JDG would win rounds where he was focussed but he would at some point switch off and get steamrollered.

Comments re Bute are verging on embarrassing.

ok, so go and bring up Degales 11th pro fight from nearly 5 years ago? but that's being a bit desperate and blatantly bias....

If I remember right you got a bit of brown nose syndrome for Groves, as when he fought Froch you were hating on me for back Froch, not your supporting Froch because you hate Degale more and your boy Groves could not win a strap after three attempts.

Dagale has decent power, and nearly stopped Dirrell in the second round, soothing Froch came no where near doing.  And if you cant see that Bute in his home town is a decent win, then you dont know your boxing and your just a hater...

Typical numpty response. Dealing in turn:

1. And it was Groves' 13th.  Both had similar amateur pedigree, albeit James with the gold and George with the win, and JDG had shown nothing since their pro fight that he'd over taken Groves.  As most others have said, up until 12-18 months ago JDG was a nobody on the international scene and had no record to worry a Froch.

2. Funny you bring that up, you were utterly humiliated when someone posted a slow-mo which proved you were talking out your backside.

3. Decent power? Yes.  And who with only 'decent power' has ever made a dent on Froch? Bute had 'decent' power.  So did Kessler and Abraham.  Pascal had more than decent power.  They all lost and none of them made Froch touch the canvas.

4. Since Froch, Bute has only beaten the two nobody's he's fought.  One of whom has lost every fight since. Bute lost to Pascal who is a long long long way of his best.  And yet grinding out a points win is meant to be a good result? Behave, kid.

All of that is irelivant sour grapes cowpat.

Degale has beat better fighters than Groves, has won an Olympic gold, has won a championship belt, has never been floored, was ducked by Froch and is probebly now the beat in the division after the exit of Ward.

Let's see how Degale deals with Badu Jack, I'm sure if he beats him and takes that belt you will be cooking up some more cowpat excuses..

I can't see him beating Callum smith..

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Wonder if people will shut up now about how Froch should have stayed active and fought DeGale.

Makes a meal of getting through a guy Froch blew away in a few rounds who was several fights older by the time they fought.

Styles make fights,  there is no way Froch would outbox Bute as the start of his fight showed.  Bute was fighting away from home for the first time while Froch was fighting in his home town.

Also there was nothing really to confirm Bute is past it as this fight also suggested where he dug in very deep.

He was just not the top world class fighter everyone thought.  who did he beat before Froch beat him?

That being said he has experienced and is a decent fighter.

Look what a nightmare Groves gave Froch,  anyone who does jot think Degale Froch would have been a good fight is either a hater or does not know boxing..

Froch knows Degale is better that Groves and did not fancy it,  bottom line.

Abolsute baloney.  Why would Froch fear a guy that got beat (twice) by a guy he's just beaten (twice)?

A guy with no power to hold Froch off?  A guy who loves to switch off during fits and lie against the ropes absorbing punishment in a daydream?

JDG would win rounds where he was focussed but he would at some point switch off and get steamrollered.

Comments re Bute are verging on embarrassing.

ok, so go and bring up Degales 11th pro fight from nearly 5 years ago? but that's being a bit desperate and blatantly bias....

If I remember right you got a bit of brown nose syndrome for Groves, as when he fought Froch you were hating on me for back Froch, not your supporting Froch because you hate Degale more and your boy Groves could not win a strap after three attempts.

Dagale has decent power, and nearly stopped Dirrell in the second round, soothing Froch came no where near doing.  And if you cant see that Bute in his home town is a decent win, then you dont know your boxing and your just a hater...

Typical numpty response. Dealing in turn:

1. And it was Groves' 13th.  Both had similar amateur pedigree, albeit James with the gold and George with the win, and JDG had shown nothing since their pro fight that he'd over taken Groves.  As most others have said, up until 12-18 months ago JDG was a nobody on the international scene and had no record to worry a Froch.

2. Funny you bring that up, you were utterly humiliated when someone posted a slow-mo which proved you were talking out your backside.

3. Decent power? Yes.  And who with only 'decent power' has ever made a dent on Froch? Bute had 'decent' power.  So did Kessler and Abraham.  Pascal had more than decent power.  They all lost and none of them made Froch touch the canvas.

4. Since Froch, Bute has only beaten the two nobody's he's fought.  One of whom has lost every fight since. Bute lost to Pascal who is a long long long way of his best.  And yet grinding out a points win is meant to be a good result? Behave, kid.

All of that is irelivant sour grapes cowpat.

Degale has beat better fighters than Groves,  has won an Olympic gold,  has won a championship belt,  has never been floored,  was ducked by Froch and is probebly now the beat in the division after the exit of Ward.

Let's see how Degale deals with Badu Jack,  I'm sure if he beats him and takes that belt you will be cooking up some more cowpat excuses..  

Your willingness to embarrass yourself is verging on commendable.

Hate on fighters who prove themselves and love fighters who stay at home and get all the advantages

Degale deserves respect, he is a true boxing fans fighter

The arguments on here borderline on the ridiculous

He has a chance against Froch, he might win, he might not

All the evidence suggests that his style will give Froch nightmares, but Froch has the power and can stop him

Its about time people on here got behind some of our own who actually do what we ask them

Every time someone wins its because the other guy was no good

First Klitchsko was old and finished, when he would have beaten any other heavyweight on the planet

Then Bute was old and washed up, despite having all the advantages and not at all looking like a washed up fighter

You guys are just haters, you have different rules depending on whether you like someone or not

BoxingFan88 wrote:

You guys are just haters, you have different rules depending on whether you like someone or not

"Who has Crawford beaten ??..Pacman would smash Crawford !!"

You're right "haters" depending on whether you like someone or not.........

I give Crawford respect he came to Scotland and beat burns he may be the best in the division needs to face postol



But pac is the best fighter in the world with mayweather gone and to say Crawford beats the bigger man who is a sensational fighter is a bit far fetched

Surely Crawford and Postol need to fight for the right to face Manny otherwise it looks like fast-tracking. Or is this Manny's way of ducking Postol who could be a nightmare style for Manny to deal with?

Crawford against Manny is a great fight though, just Crawford and Postol need to face off first imo. I don't  think Khan is deserving of a shot at Manny either and don't think he'll get it. Khan should fight Brook which is a good payday for him.

BoxingFan88 wrote:Hate on fighters who prove themselves and love fighters who stay at home and get all the advantages

Degale deserves respect, he is a true boxing fans fighter

The arguments on here borderline on the ridiculous

He has a chance against Froch, he might win, he might not

All the evidence suggests that his style will give Froch nightmares, but Froch has the power and can stop him

Then Bute was old and washed up, despite having all the advantages and not at all looking like a washed up fighter

You guys are just haters, you have different rules depending on whether you like someone or not

Who is hating on Degale?

The general consensus on here over the past couple of years has been that Froch finished Bute and the evidence is there to see in all of his subsequent fights, he no longer has the confidence to sit down on his punches. The booming left hook he was known for has disappeared, instead we have a boxer who drifts through fights not doing a lot, the moment he realised Degale didn't have true power he opened up a little bit more. This isn't revisionism it's the way people have felt about him for some time.

Degale deserves the upmost respect and admiration for going over to America and beating Dirrell, he was brilliant in that fight for the first 3 rounds then did his usual of stepping off the gas and only really woke up again in the 11th. He looked superb against both Periban and Gonzalez, both of whom are moderate fringe level at best but then again he looks good in the opening rounds of most fights and switches off in the middle. His attitude/persona rubs some people up the wrong way but the evaluation of him and Bute seem fair, it was a decent first defence against an opponent most expected him to win comfortably, which in fairness he did.

There is no such thing as a true boxing fans fighter, some like Froch, some like GGG, some like Mayweather, some like Wlad etc. there isn't a set formula as to who the masses should like.

I reckon Tyson was close to a fighter everyone could like, at least to watch.

When Tyson fought, everyone watched. I was too young to remember, but I imagine most wanted him to destroy opponents in his peak.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I can't see him beating Callum smith..

Why not?

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Wonder if people will shut up now about how Froch should have stayed active and fought DeGale.

Makes a meal of getting through a guy Froch blew away in a few rounds who was several fights older by the time they fought.

Styles make fights,  there is no way Froch would outbox Bute as the start of his fight showed.  Bute was fighting away from home for the first time while Froch was fighting in his home town.

Also there was nothing really to confirm Bute is past it as this fight also suggested where he dug in very deep.

He was just not the top world class fighter everyone thought.  who did he beat before Froch beat him?

That being said he has experienced and is a decent fighter.

Look what a nightmare Groves gave Froch,  anyone who does jot think Degale Froch would have been a good fight is either a hater or does not know boxing..

Froch knows Degale is better that Groves and did not fancy it,  bottom line.

Abolsute baloney.  Why would Froch fear a guy that got beat (twice) by a guy he's just beaten (twice)?

A guy with no power to hold Froch off?  A guy who loves to switch off during fits and lie against the ropes absorbing punishment in a daydream?

JDG would win rounds where he was focussed but he would at some point switch off and get steamrollered.

Comments re Bute are verging on embarrassing.

ok, so go and bring up Degales 11th pro fight from nearly 5 years ago? but that's being a bit desperate and blatantly bias....

If I remember right you got a bit of brown nose syndrome for Groves, as when he fought Froch you were hating on me for back Froch, not your supporting Froch because you hate Degale more and your boy Groves could not win a strap after three attempts.

Dagale has decent power, and nearly stopped Dirrell in the second round, soothing Froch came no where near doing.  And if you cant see that Bute in his home town is a decent win, then you dont know your boxing and your just a hater...

Typical numpty response. Dealing in turn:

1. And it was Groves' 13th.  Both had similar amateur pedigree, albeit James with the gold and George with the win, and JDG had shown nothing since their pro fight that he'd over taken Groves.  As most others have said, up until 12-18 months ago JDG was a nobody on the international scene and had no record to worry a Froch.

2. Funny you bring that up, you were utterly humiliated when someone posted a slow-mo which proved you were talking out your backside.

3. Decent power? Yes.  And who with only 'decent power' has ever made a dent on Froch? Bute had 'decent' power.  So did Kessler and Abraham.  Pascal had more than decent power.  They all lost and none of them made Froch touch the canvas.

4. Since Froch, Bute has only beaten the two nobody's he's fought.  One of whom has lost every fight since. Bute lost to Pascal who is a long long long way of his best.  And yet grinding out a points win is meant to be a good result? Behave, kid.

All of that is irelivant sour grapes cowpat.

Degale has beat better fighters than Groves,  has won an Olympic gold,  has won a championship belt,  has never been floored,  was ducked by Froch and is probebly now the beat in the division after the exit of Ward.

Let's see how Degale deals with Badu Jack,  I'm sure if he beats him and takes that belt you will be cooking up some more cowpat excuses..  

Your willingness to embarrass yourself is verging on commendable.

I'm not embarrassed at all, you are just confused and have this odd notion that you actually know what you're talking about.  As Boxingfan88 said, you pretty much judge based on who you like or who you hate.... boring and predictable.

I agree with Tunes and BF88. Degale would give Froch fits. Excellent Boxer. Good Chin. Elusive. Switch Hitter. Power Vastly Underated. Big Heart.

Easily capable of out boxing Froch, especially an older Froch. It would have been a really good fight, none the less.

For me it would have come down to: would Froch stop him late after being out boxed? I'd say, 6 times out of 10, no.

Bute was always going to give Degale problems. He is an excellent boxer, and will give anyone who's not a KO merchant, or huge, a decent fight.

3fingers wrote:I agree with Tunes and BF88. Degale would give Froch fits. Excellent Boxer. Good Chin. Elusive. Switch Hitter. Power Vastly Underated. Big Heart.

Easily capable of out boxing Froch, especially an older Froch. It would have been a really good fight, none the less.

For me it would have come down to: would Froch stop him late after being out boxed? I'd say, 6 times out of 10, no.

Bute was always going to give Degale problems. He is an excellent boxer, and will give anyone who's not a KO merchant, or huge, a decent fight.

Since I bombed badly on Matthysse against Provodnikov, I have started picking based on styles rather than someone landing that one shot

It is entirely possible that Froch could knock out Degale, however Dirrell didn't manage to do it and he even managed to hurt Froch in their fight. so he can punch a bit.

Now I'm not suggesting that Degale has an iron chin, but since his resurgence under Hearn, I can't even remember a time when he was hurt???

Froch's will could wear him down I don't deny that, but style wize its a nightmare opponent

By suggesting Degale's performance was lacking..

It means you're a hater...

I take it back...he was wonderful.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

BoxingFan88 wrote:Hate on fighters who prove themselves and love fighters who stay at home and get all the advantages

Degale deserves respect, he is a true boxing fans fighter

The arguments on here borderline on the ridiculous

He has a chance against Froch, he might win, he might not

All the evidence suggests that his style will give Froch nightmares, but Froch has the power and can stop him

Then Bute was old and washed up, despite having all the advantages and not at all looking like a washed up fighter

You guys are just haters, you have different rules depending on whether you like someone or not

Who is hating on Degale?

The general consensus on here over the past couple of years has been that Froch finished Bute and the evidence is there to see in all of his subsequent fights, he no longer has the confidence to sit down on his punches. The booming left hook he was known for has disappeared, instead we have a boxer who drifts through fights not doing a lot, the moment he realised Degale didn't have true power he opened up a little bit more. This isn't revisionism it's the way people have felt about him for some time.

Degale deserves the upmost respect and admiration for going over to America and beating Dirrell, he was brilliant in that fight for the first 3 rounds then did his usual of stepping off the gas and only really woke up again in the 11th. He looked superb against both Periban and Gonzalez, both of whom are moderate fringe level at best but then again he looks good in the opening rounds of most fights and switches off in the middle. His attitude/persona rubs some people up the wrong way but the evaluation of him and Bute seem fair, it was a decent first defence against an opponent most expected him to win comfortably, which in fairness he did.

There is no such thing as a true boxing fans fighter, some like Froch, some like GGG, some like Mayweather, some like Wlad etc. there isn't a set formula as to who the masses should like.

Agree with pretty much every word of that post. +1

3fingers wrote:I agree with Tunes and BF88. Degale would give Froch fits. Excellent Boxer. Good Chin. Elusive. Switch Hitter. Power Vastly Underated. Big Heart.

Easily capable of out boxing Froch, especially an older Froch. It would have been a really good fight, none the less.

For me it would have come down to: would Froch stop him late after being out boxed? I'd say, 6 times out of 10, no.

Bute was always going to give Degale problems. He is an excellent boxer, and will give anyone who's not a KO merchant, or huge, a decent fight.

Elusive? Power under-rated?? Christ almighty, who have you been watching???!!!

I'm a Degale fan (me and my lad still bluster round the house shouting 'James 'Chunky' Degale (it winds the missus up) but he is very frustrating as the potential is there for him to be at the very top he just seems to switch off after a couple of rounds in which case i'd have Froch beating him 9/10 (when it was first mooted)

As for haters people tend to go either one way or the other and if you have to make excuses that he's the greatest thing since sliced bread and ignore/attack any faults that people bring up then you really should be looking at your own bias rather than everyone else (Think D4)

Bute was a good win, not a great win. He was destroyed by Froch and most people agree he's become a shell of himself if he wasn't completely overrated before. He's a good little boxer though and good on Degale for getting past him.

You sound like a hater to me..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You sound like a hater to me..

Nice try, most of you have been brushing that win off like it means nothing

The Bute that showed up was much closer to the real Bute than we have seen in a while, he did not look shot at all

I'll agree its a good win and not a great one (which would be the likes of GGG or Ward), I think Bute would beat Groves and give Dirrell and Jack a good argument

He is an entirely different fighter in Canada

So you're suggesting that the performance against Froch was due to fighting outside of Canada?

He looked poor against Grachev and Pascal, both fights took place in his own backyard, in fact the only noteworthy fight he's had outside of Canada was against Froch.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:So you're suggesting that the performance against Froch was due to fighting outside of Canada?

He looked poor against Grachev and Pascal, both fights took place in his own backyard, in fact the only noteworthy fight he's had outside of Canada was against Froch.

He was fighting at Light Heavy and both the Grachev and Pascal fights as well as taken allot of time off


At Super middle weight he has not lost at home.

His fight against Grachev was at light heavy and against Pascal was also in his own backyard and the fight was was also at light heavy after a 14 month lay off... both following his loss to Froch, So I don't think you can completely right him off based on those fights.

Against Degale he was back at Super Middle and at home, following a good TKO a few months before.  Everyone knew it was a potential banana skin fight as there were still question marks about how difficult Bute would be at weight and at home after time off, in a championship fight.  He proved to be very much up for it.

your not only neglecting to give Degale credit but also Bute for showing he is still a decent fighter, it was a decent fight, Degale was better, and in the other guys den... All this hate..

2lbs makes the world of difference, apparently.........

I don't think anyone saw it as a potential banana skin and the Grachev fight was a 170lb catchweight so doubtful weight made any difference. There's no hate here just balanced opinions and to be honest your insistence on childish comments makes debating with you pointless.

You do know that it's the size on fight Night that matters

If grachev can boil himself down and then come in heavy of course it matters

That happens at 168lbs so makes absolutely no difference in the world, it's nothing more than an excuse and conveniently overlooks Bute being bigger than Grachev anyway.

It's beside the point

Bute did not look shot in that fight and degale did well so it's a good win

Just because we thought he was finished doesn't mean he is and doesn't make degale look worse because he didn't dominate or knock him out

That is the impression I get from people on here

Mosley looked shot then annihilated margarito

TopHat24/7 wrote:2lbs makes the world of difference, apparently.........

Hu

its not about how much weight difference between the opponent, although that can still effect it. It is how well he fights fighters who are about 7-8lbs heavier than fighters in the lower division, and how he adapts to it....

So now you are going to deny that fighters can be effected when fighting at another weight? lol

Hammersmith harrier wrote:That happens at 168lbs so makes absolutely no difference in the world, it's nothing more than an excuse and conveniently overlooks Bute being bigger than Grachev anyway.

The fact that you are downplaying the relevance of fighting at different weights means you are pretty desperate.. Are you saying that if a fighter is more suited to his current weight but moves up to try the heavier weight, it will not hinder his performance??

Bute is a good win, not a great win. Nothing more, nothing less. Trying to big it up as some kind of dominating victory is pretty pathetic in my eyes.

Bute was lucky to get the shot based on his last performances and trying to put him in the top bracket of fighters is ridiculous in the extreme.

Onwards and upwards for Degale and lets hope he doesn't have a bunch of hangers on and sycophants telling him he's the greatest after that performance

BoxingFan88 wrote:It's beside the point

Bute did not look shot in that fight and degale did well so it's a good win

Just because we thought he was finished doesn't mean he is and doesn't make degale look worse because he didn't dominate or knock him out

That is the impression I get from people on here

Mosley looked shot then annihilated margarito

I think you're putting words into peoples mouths there, Degale switching off in fights and we're not talking about isolated incidents here but every single fight makes his opponents look better than they are. He had Dirrell on a platter before he started backing off and the same was true against Bute, it's such a common trend that is something to be negative about.

It's not beside the point at all, you seem to be making excuses for all of Bute's recent poor performances so you can give Degale extra credit, there are many many better opponents out there.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

BoxingFan88 wrote:It's beside the point

Bute did not look shot in that fight and degale did well so it's a good win

Just because we thought he was finished doesn't mean he is and doesn't make degale look worse because he didn't dominate or knock him out

That is the impression I get from people on here

Mosley looked shot then annihilated margarito

I think you're putting words into peoples mouths there, Degale switching off in fights and we're not talking about isolated incidents here but every single fight makes his opponents look better than they are. He had Dirrell on a platter before he started backing off and the same was true against Bute, it's such a common trend that is something to be negative about.

It's not beside the point at all, you seem to be making excuses for all of Bute's recent poor performances so you can give Degale extra credit, there are many many better opponents out there.

This in my opinion is a major problem with Degale, although he has only one loss, I thought he was lucky to get the decision over Dirrell, had it not been for the knockdowns he'd have lost that fight. He has this bad habit of letting opponents back into the fight and potentially getting outworked.

As for Bute I have only seen the Pascal fight since losing to Froch and to be honest he did better than i expected. He weathered the storm so to speak for 8 rounds and then got himself back in the fight in the last 4 when pascal as usual seem to gas. I think its fair to say he is not as good as he was touted but is better than what we saw in the Froch fight, styles make fights etc. Still we shouldn't get carried away with the win here for Degale.

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:2lbs makes the world of difference, apparently.........

Hu

its not about how much weight difference between the opponent, although that can still effect it. It is how well he fights fighters who are about 7-8lbs heavier than fighters in the lower division, and how he adapts to it....

So now you are going to deny that fighters can be effected when fighting at another weight?  lol

You were making out like Bute's recent poor showings were because he 'stepped up' to LHW. But he was only at 170lbs for the Grachev fight so that 2lb difference is a BS excuse.