Is Al Haymon ruining fighters ?

A so called adviser or manager in fact I have no clue what he does. Is he doing a good job at ruining fighters stock ? He was going to bring back the good feel to boxing on terrestrial TV - not sure how its perceived in the States but he seems to be doing the reverse for me;

Adonis Stevenson: Never know a fighters stock take a rapid decline since joining Haymon - A marketable exciting knockout artist in a division with some mouthwatering fights within his grasp - has drifted into almost a nonentity - hasn't fought a top 25 fighter this year I don't think and has missed opportunities against Pascal, Kovalev and Hopkins.

Amir Khan: Have no clue why Khan would stick it out with Haymon - he spent an arduous campaign chasing Mayweather (whom is advised by Haymon) only to be given the custard pie - surely Haymon as a decent adviser would've advised him of Mayweather's intentions to face Berto. Khan could've and probably would've have beaten Brook in 2015 and stock would be high going into 2016.

Danny Garcia: Again he had beaten Matthysse and Khan he seemed certain to be a PPV star. Haymon lines him up Herrera, Salka, Malignaggi and Peterson and becomes forgotten about *lucky to escape with wins against Peterson and Herrera.

Keith Thurman: Looks to have it all - has a good measuring stick fight with Guerrero at the beginning of the year then nothing since - the division is rich with names to make an impression but he seems to have went missing.

Cheers, Rodders

Ruining legacies but not their bank balances.

Basically gets them paid a shed load for low risk.

Arguably anything but ruining them......

TopHat24/7 wrote:Ruining legacies but not their bank balances.

Basically gets them paid a shed load for low risk.

Arguably anything but ruining them......

Really ?

Khan wouldve been a helluva lot more well off having faced Brook this year as would Stevenson if he faced Kovalev instead of facing Bika and Karpency.

Cheers, Rodders

Stevenson got $2mil for those fights, it's low risk high reward, why would he entertain switching networks to get paid less against more dangerous boxers. Degale got $1.5mil for facing Bute, it's ridiculous.

Get money
Win titles
Leave with your mental faculties intact

By my count Stevenson pretty much nailed all three.

Rodney wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Ruining legacies but not their bank balances.

Basically gets them paid a shed load for low risk.

Arguably anything but ruining them......

Really ?

Khan wouldve been a helluva lot more well off having faced Brook this year as would Stevenson if he faced Kovalev instead of facing Bika and Karpency.

Cheers, Rodders

Raf and Hammer have pretty much answered this as per my thoughts.

Khan is about the only example I can see as being badly advised, but even then knowing what Khan and his family are like I imagine Haymon probably isn't calling all the shots.

Why would Stevenson risk having his career (at the top level) ended in a fight that might not make huge $$$ (look at GGG-Lemieux for what a Canadian versus Eastern European did) when he could make almost as good money churning out stock wins with less risk to his health and career?

I think Rodders was referring to ruining fighters stock rather than ruining them.

It's probably a fair point, in so far as their credibility with fans... normally this might impact on their marketability, but as they're laughing all the way to the bank, they may not worry too much about that... or what hardcore boxing fans think.

Is Al Haymon ruining boxing for the fans? Well that's a different question.

Not much evidence that many fighters really care about their 'stock' that much these days anyway........

He's treating his fighters the best and the worst.

Best: because he pays huge money for easy fights. Which means they are financially better off for less head trauma

Worst: because fans lose interest in the fighters because of poor matchmaking, their skill-set likely diminishes in the process, also, meaninig they will be more likely to lose when eventually facing tough opposition. Boxing looks like a dull sport under the PBC brand.

Haymon strikes again. LSC v Kiko Martinez next up.

Cheers, Rodders

Might make LSC gain more respect ...........After all Quigg beat Frampo's sloppy thirds and Quiggy has never had more respect..

It's all gone a little quiet on the PBC front, although I've heard that Haymon intends to roll the model out over here (he has Richard Poxon and someone else who's name escapes me in place to make it happen).

Surely a matter of time before the big push to model boxing like UFC?

I don't think he's ruining fighters from a financial perspective but suppose you could argue he's doing it from a legacy perspective.

LSC......what a joke.

Kiko is the luckiest fighter in boxing, gift after gift....

To be fair he was a title holder, he isn't exactly a chump

Haymon has made Thurman vs Porter, which is a corker of a fight, he is also in the process of making Wilder vs Povetkin, so not all bad

Didn't PBC put on Glowaki vs Huck
Cleverly vs Fonfara

Agree with you on the bigger names though Stevenson and Garcia haven't exactly set the world alight recently

He's not making Wilder v Povetkin. The WBC have mandated it - he has no choice, other than to do a Bowe.