European Tour 2016 - Dubai

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Selected RD 1 Tee Times
1 07:40 Felipe AGUILAR Raphaël JACQUELIN
1 07:50 Renato PARATORE Mikko ILONEN
1 08:00 Romain WATTEL Jaco VAN ZYL
1 08:10 Matthew SOUTHGATE Kiradech APHIBARNRAT
1 08:20 Ricardo GOUVEIA Padraig HARRINGTON
1 08:30 George COETZEE Pablo LARRAZÁBAL
1 08:40 Marcus FRASER Brandon STONE
1 08:50 Victor DUBUISSON David LIPSKY
1 09:00 Jorge CAMPILLO Julien QUESNE
1 09:10 Tommy FLEETWOOD Nacho ELVIRA
1 09:25 Joakim LAGERGREN Soomin LEE
1 09:35 Nicolas COLSAERTS Alejandro CAÑIZARES
1 09:45 Richard STERNE Byeong Hun AN
1 09:55 Charl SCHWARTZEL Grégory BOURDY
1 10:05 Rikard KARLBERG Alexander LEVY
1 10:15 Shane LOWRY David HORSEY
1 10:25 Bradley DREDGE Matthew FITZPATRICK
1 10:35 Richard BLAND Scott HEND
1 10:45 Francesco MOLINARI Andrew JOHNSTON
1 10:55 Thomas PIETERS Søren KJELDSEN
1 11:10 Sergio GARCIA Haotong LI
1 11:20 Thongchai JAIDEE Ross FISHER
1 11:30 Joost LUITEN Jeunghun WANG
1 11:40 Martin KAYMER Andy SULLIVAN
1 11:50 Lee WESTWOOD Bernd WIESBERGER
1 12:00 Thorbjørn OLESEN Chris WOOD
1 12:10 Louis OOSTHUIZEN Rafa CABRERA BELLO
1 12:20 Branden GRACE Tyrrell HATTON
1 12:30 Rory MCILROY Alex NOREN
1 12:40 Danny WILLETT Henrik STENSON

McLaren wrote:Beef made it to the top of a mountain.

Beef on a Hilltop. :

No doubt there is a chairlift or cable car about 2 mins walk away.

McLaren wrote:Beef made it to the top of a mountain.

Beef on a Hilltop. :

He must be pretty minced after that..

Only just thought of this but the Nedbank will appear twice in the 2016 Euro tour schedule. Pretty odd really.

KLM Dutch Open trying something new. They're having an amateur hit with each pro group on the par-3 14th in a closest to the pin contest. And they've set up an amphitheatre around the hole for spectators. Only today and Saturday.

I appreciate the out of the box thinking. IMO a big issue at a lot of ET events is getting the fans engaged. But this sure does it.

Dirk Kuyt was one of the amateurs

When did the Fiji International (played opposite of the Dunhill Links) become part of the EuroTour Schedule?

Snedeker is planning to play the Fiji International.

It's only 12 time zones away.

Joos is on fire

https://twitter.com/gcw/status/775320873859424257

McLaren wrote:Joos is on fire

https://twitter.com/gcw/status/775320873859424257

I thought that was your bad spelling talking about the holocaust for a minute Mac.

McLaren wrote:

https://twitter.com/gcw/status/775320873859424257

Looks like the Euro RC team after hearing Fowler was picked..?

I was looking at the list for 1GG Fantasy League in preparation for Italian Open. sometimes I just look for familiar names. Looked at one - Simon Dyson. But he is rated 1765. Was much higher in 2011. Bit of a fall.

I guess cheating doesn't pay off?

Never did the bront no harm

The what?

sorry, pet name for monty, the brontosaurus.

I'm never wrong wrote:I was looking at the list for 1GG Fantasy League in preparation for Italian Open. sometimes I just look for familiar names. Looked at one - Simon Dyson. But he is rated 1765. Was much higher in 2011. Bit of a fall.  

He was ranked 379 at the end of last year and has lost 18.65 OWGR points this year without earning any to offset the loss. He's only played 32 events over the last two years too meaning his divisor is higher than events played at 40 which isn't helping him either.

Cheers Grumps for the info.

Missed cut for Westwood, which is disappointing. Perhaps his "five meal day" took its toll.

Who knows how long it will last, but happy to see Alex Levy leading in Milan - don't often see a golfer looking as if he's enjoying his experiences as much as him.

Anyone know why Ben An was d/q'd?

EDIT: Got his 15th & 16th muddled up apparently, which makes it sound as if he signed his card retroactively. Pretty bl00dy stupid thing to do.

Wonderful shot to win it by Frankie. Back in to the owgr Top 50 and that'll open doors for him.

kwinigolfer wrote:Anyone know why Ben An was d/q'd?

EDIT: Got his 15th & 16th muddled up apparently, which makes it sound as if he signed his card retroactively. Pretty bl00dy stupid thing to do.

Two thoughts. The rule is the rule and it has to be followed. It's just stupid to make that kind of mistake. But at their level, why are players responsible for their own card anyway? I'd have no problem with them removing SC responsibility from the pros when there are walking scorers with every group.

And yes... Great win for Molinari

Why not wipe their arses for them too?

robopz wrote:Two thoughts. The rule is the rule and it has to be followed. It's just stupid to make that kind of mistake. But at their level, why are players responsible for their own card anyway? I'd have no problem with them removing SC responsibility from the pros when there are walking scorers with every group.

At what level? What difference does that make? They got their names on their bag for a reason!

However, I do think many of the DQ rules are too draconian.

After the Mark Roe incident years ago at the Open, I thought a system of "checking" was introduced where players and scorers would all sit down and go through each card. Then when all agreed, players would only then sign their card. Or is that just for The Open?

robopz wrote:

kwinigolfer wrote:Anyone know why Ben An was d/q'd?

EDIT: Got his 15th & 16th muddled up apparently, which makes it sound as if he signed his card retroactively. Pretty bl00dy stupid thing to do.

Two thoughts. The rule is the rule and it has to be followed. It's just stupid to make that kind of mistake. But at their level, why are players responsible for their own card anyway? I'd have no problem with them removing SC responsibility from the pros when there are walking scorers with every group.

And yes... Great win for Molinari

Don't get this. What do you mean at their level? Should marking the card be beneath a tour pro? Come on, it's hardly difficult to mark your playing partners score and check your own to make sure you have the right score.
There are people walking with each group to report scores back to the media and scoreboards. I've done it, and it's mostly schoolkids and volunteers that do it, consider that those people aren't 100% certain of the rules and it's easy to see how you can be wrong, so it's best left to the actual players.
For goodness sake, they've got someone carrying their clubs, people looking for where their ball lands and people to rake their effing bunkers and replace their bloody divots, they've even got a referee and rules official on hand. So yes, they're hardly too busy to fill in a scorecard and ensure it is right.

Yeah but one thing is your own score, why should you keep track of the other guy? Why? Because you can?

Is that a serious question Pedro? It's pretty obvious why we keep track of the other persons score.

super_realist wrote:Is that a serious question Pedro? It's pretty obvious why we keep track of the other persons score.

I'm talking about ET tournaments obviously.

What I mean is that it's unclear which side of the fence you are. Are you saying they should only mark their own score and not care about their partners?

Your argument is that they should mark their partner because they have nothing else to do..

My argument is that they shouldn't. Why?

I even think it could be argued they shouldn't even mark their own.

No, I'm not saying that, I'm saying that why not mark their partners score? That's how scoring has always gone in golf to ensure that the correct score is put in.

Otherwise how would you know what score your playing partner actually has, he could just say it was a 6 and not a 7 couldn't he? I certainly can't remember without putting in their score on a card all 18 holes what they have had.

However, yes, they've got eff all else to do, so why not continue with doing it that way as it works 99.9% of the time, and any error is down to the player. It's the fault of the player if he signs for an incorrect score, he'll only do it once and then never again, certainly far less error strewn than allowing an on course chump doing it.

What argument is there for not marking the score? If you can't mark a card, check it and sign for the correct score, what's wrong with you? Furthermore, I've never heard golfers anywhere complain that marking a card interferes with the game.
There are lots of stupid rules in golf, but this is not one of them.

"How things have always been" is not an argument. People have always been religious.. Thought you were an advocate of moving golf into the 21st century.

I just find it anachronistic that players would have to mark their playing partner when they have referees, scorers etc. walking with them. Is there any other sport where you do this, let alone mark your own score? And why would you try to cheat when chances are close to 100% you'll be caught anyway. Even Kim Jong-Un's birthday party is less pretentious than this sham.
Of course players will still keep track of their own score, but it won't be the official one.

No, but you haven't presented a reason for it to change. It's like saying we should drive on the right all of a sudden. Why should they NOT mark a scorecard? It's clearly the best system and no one is even asking for a change. If it's good enough for the players, why do you care?

Like I said earlier, there's nothing wrong with the system at the moment, whilst not all tournaments could possibly garner enough volunteers to mark every player on a course, especially in the smaller tournaments. There is so much more scope for error in getting an outside agency involved to mark scores.

I've done a scoreboard job before, and the on course scorers and scoreboard were frequently wrong, to the point where I, and others were corrected by caddies. The people BEST placed to mark the score are those actually playing.

Just noticed something strange....
Paul Peterson has won on the Euro Tour this year yet lies outside the top 110 which would guarantee his playing card for next season.
I know he'll get exemption for winning the tournament but you'd think that winning a tournament would give you enough cash to be inside the top 110 on the money list.

There have been one or two similar idiosyncrasies on the PGA Tour, too, EmmDee; think Woody Austin won a tournament a few years back and didn't qualify for the FedEx Play-Offs, for instance.

Meanwhile, Robbie Karlsson -10 after 13 holes, 59 watch! EDIT: Bogey! Kiss of Death.

EmmDee57 wrote:Just noticed something strange....
Paul Peterson has won on the Euro Tour this year yet lies outside the top 110 which would guarantee his playing card for next season.
I know he'll get exemption for winning the tournament but you'd think that winning a tournament would give you enough cash to be inside the top 110 on the money list.

Peterson earned 166,667 Euro for WINNING the Czech Masters.
Harrington earned 155,858 Eruo for finishing in a 5-way tie for THIRTEENTH in the PGA.

There is such a huge purse discrepancy between the highest and lowest tier tournaments on the Euro Tour and Paul Peterson had not played very many EuroT tourneys going into the Czech Master.

FWIW, Greg Chalmers won the Reno Tournament on the PGATour this year but did not make the FEX Top 125. Again mostly due that he had not played that many PGATournaments going into Reno and those that he did play, did not play well.

Anyone any idea why so many players, including Ernie Els and Marc Warren, have been DQd? I've checked the ET website and although it's on the leaderboard there's no mention on the news section.

Probably were almost at the end of their rounds when play was suspended last night, knew they wouldn't make the cut and got an early jump on Oktoberfest. I'd've done the same, but don't know why they weren't shown as w/d rather than d/q.

Dramatic finish at the European Open. Alex Levy had a mare on the last hole and Ross Fisher steamed up on the inside and almost sneaked a win. But Levy makes a birdie on the second play off hole and wins it. Good stuff.

kwinigolfer wrote:Who knows how long it will last, but happy to see Alex Levy leading in Milan - don't often see a golfer looking as if he's enjoying his experiences as much as him.

Just like that!

Another Alex, Noren reminding us how much we could have used a fit and firing Noren last week. In with a Dunhill 64.

Can't understand the rationale behind making the Fiji event a co-sanctioned with the Euro Tour.

I think there are more Americans in the field than Europeans and I don't think any of the Europeans are EuropeanTour members (maybe Challenge Tour members)

Bernhard Langer's putt slid by the 18th hole at Kiawah in 1991, and Europe lost the RC as a result. But Bernie got straight back on his horse and won in Germany the following week.
Half a dozen European RC'ers at the Dunhill this week but the best Round 1 score so far is -2, good for T26, from Pieters and R C-B.
Westy, Willett & Fitz continuing where they left off at Hazeltine, collectively +9.

Q-School alive and well in the US and Europe.

And our favourite golfing Grand Slam winner sadly missed the cut in Italy; that's right, Yevgeny Kafelnikov.

And: Did I see that Mary's lad, Steve Surry, qualified for Stage 2?

Captain's Pick Lee Westwood is DFL at +13, after an 82 at Kingbarns.

Can we expect some Drunken Tweeting by lw1?


(maybe he will shoot 58 at St Andrews tomorrow.)

82 at Kingsbarns? What a hacker. the weather was perfect Thursday, Friday and Saturday and even better today.

Kingsbarns is also extremely scoreable and very easy. He's fast establishing himself as a complete has been. 82 is dreadful for that course. I've never shot that bad there even when the weather was bad.

Maybe Willett's caddie should have been on the RC Team.

Playing off a four handicap, the Willett/Jonathan Smart shot 26 under in the first three days.

Willet was +6 so Smart cut him 32 shots (Willett had 3 birides in the first two days) in the first three days.

Looks like he made around 6 birdies each of the first three days.

GPB wrote:Maybe Willett's caddie should have been on the RC Team.

Playing off a four handicap, the Willett/Jonathan Smart shot 26 under in the first three days.

Willet was +6 so Smart cut him 32 shots  (Willett had 3 birides in the first two days) in the first three days.

Looks like he made around 6 birdies each of the first three days.  

....and they have just won won the overall Pro/Am competition - combined score of -38

Heading over the pond for the Friday to Sunday! Looking forward to it