European Tour 2016 - Dubai

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Selected RD 1 Tee Times
1 07:40 Felipe AGUILAR Raphaël JACQUELIN
1 07:50 Renato PARATORE Mikko ILONEN
1 08:00 Romain WATTEL Jaco VAN ZYL
1 08:10 Matthew SOUTHGATE Kiradech APHIBARNRAT
1 08:20 Ricardo GOUVEIA Padraig HARRINGTON
1 08:30 George COETZEE Pablo LARRAZÁBAL
1 08:40 Marcus FRASER Brandon STONE
1 08:50 Victor DUBUISSON David LIPSKY
1 09:00 Jorge CAMPILLO Julien QUESNE
1 09:10 Tommy FLEETWOOD Nacho ELVIRA
1 09:25 Joakim LAGERGREN Soomin LEE
1 09:35 Nicolas COLSAERTS Alejandro CAÑIZARES
1 09:45 Richard STERNE Byeong Hun AN
1 09:55 Charl SCHWARTZEL Grégory BOURDY
1 10:05 Rikard KARLBERG Alexander LEVY
1 10:15 Shane LOWRY David HORSEY
1 10:25 Bradley DREDGE Matthew FITZPATRICK
1 10:35 Richard BLAND Scott HEND
1 10:45 Francesco MOLINARI Andrew JOHNSTON
1 10:55 Thomas PIETERS Søren KJELDSEN
1 11:10 Sergio GARCIA Haotong LI
1 11:20 Thongchai JAIDEE Ross FISHER
1 11:30 Joost LUITEN Jeunghun WANG
1 11:40 Martin KAYMER Andy SULLIVAN
1 11:50 Lee WESTWOOD Bernd WIESBERGER
1 12:00 Thorbjørn OLESEN Chris WOOD
1 12:10 Louis OOSTHUIZEN Rafa CABRERA BELLO
1 12:20 Branden GRACE Tyrrell HATTON
1 12:30 Rory MCILROY Alex NOREN
1 12:40 Danny WILLETT Henrik STENSON

super_realist wrote:To be fair, it's about time golfers started being able to play through noise, They do in every other sport.

Well, they only actually concentrate a fraction of the time they're on course, so you can't blame them. Bit like asking a tennis player to ignore noise during the serve.

I don't mean they should have to put up with the "mash potato" sort of thing, but a camera motor should be something they ought to expect or be able to cope with.
I know it's hard, but it's something which doesn't bother people at the range or in practice, given that so many listen to music whilst practicing, so it must just be a case of accepting it can happen.

Not in snooker. As shown by that jock yesterday who got his knickers in a twist when his opponent chalked his cue on his shot.

If the noise is constant it's not too bad. But when a player settles over a shot and a hush comes over the crowd only to be interrupted at the crucial moment by inconsiderate weasel, it really is off putting. My winter league partner likes to jangle his change at just such times, and to be fair he's still alive...

MontysMerkin wrote:Not in snooker. As shown by that jock yesterday who got his knickers in a twist when his opponent chalked his cue on his shot.

He was a bomb slinging tattie muncher actually.

All the same to me...

Except his eyes are closer together than a sweaties.

You have to look really close to be able to tell, and when their gobs flapping it's all the same ol Poopie (cue partridge impersonation).

super_realist wrote:To be fair, it's about time golfers started being able to play through noise, They do in every other sport.

I don't think it's fair at all because golf isn't like any other sport. The problem with golf is when a random click is the ONLY noise it distracts. You can try to "learn" not to let it distract you, but I doubt few really can.... IMO it has to be ALL quiet... or ALL noisy (like other sports). I think we're almost to the point that it'd be better just to let everyone, fans and media alike, fire away with their cameras at will anytime during the swing. These guys can get used to hundreds or dozens of clicks all throughout... ANYTHING except that unexpected single click.

https://twitter.com/EuropeanTour/status/799628720440897536

This is G*R*E*A*T interview with Rory.

Billy gets some ZINGS in. And Rory is a good Sport! Love the Wedding Gift at the end!

But I didn't understand the term "chatter-blind". At least that is what I think they said.

robopz wrote:

super_realist wrote:To be fair, it's about time golfers started being able to play through noise, They do in every other sport.

I don't think it's fair at all because golf isn't like any other sport.  The problem with golf is when a random click is the ONLY noise it distracts. You can try to "learn" not to let it distract you, but I doubt few really can....  IMO it has to be ALL quiet... or ALL noisy (like other sports).   I think we're almost to the point that it'd be better just to let everyone, fans and media alike, fire away with their cameras at will anytime during the swing.  These guys can get used to hundreds or dozens of clicks all throughout... ANYTHING except that unexpected single click.

It's more the selective hearing that gets me. They won't bat an eyelid at a passing train, cheer on another hole or a bird chirping suddenly, but if one of them hears your hair growing, you're in trouble.

I'll tell you what is annoying though, I was about to tee off once and I heard a guy rustling with a bag of crisps, there is nothing more noisy than someone trying to open and eat a packet of crisps quietly.

I'd be tempted to play in earplugs if I were on tour, just to filter out those individual noises.

I have tried playing with earplugs. I found that my balance was not as good with earplugs.

GPB wrote:https://twitter.com/EuropeanTour/status/799628720440897536

This is G*R*E*A*T interview with Rory.

Billy gets some ZINGS in. And Rory is a good Sport! Love the Wedding Gift at the end!

But I didn't understand the term "chatter-blind".  At least that is what I think they said.

You are right, great watch and actually pretty funny.

I like when Rory just gives in when trying to be PC about not playing in the Olympics and just admits he jumped on the zika bandwagon.

The sock joke was pretty funny.

super_realist wrote:It's more the selective hearing that gets me. They won't bat an eyelid at a passing train, cheer on another hole or a bird chirping suddenly, but if one of them hears your hair growing, you're in trouble.

I think you underestimate just how LOUD those clicks are in a sea of everybody trying to be quiet... If being distracted by those kinds of things were so easy to overcome, doesn't it stand to reason they all would have by now?

I suppose so, but sometimes I suspect people are looking for a reason. Monty certainly did and I was on the wrong end of it once, though managed to divert it.

I'm as guilty as the next man when it comes to hearing things and blaming a bad shot on it, whilst somehow ignoring the noise if I hit it good, but perhaps if we didn't expect silence, then we might deal better with the noises you hear. If we could somehow work it out of the etiquette, along with many of the other needless things we adhere to like playing in turn, we might help speed up the game. I think if I was a pro, I'd be getting my caddy to make noises during practice at unexpected times from various sources. Can't do any harm can it?

I don't know if it's a cultural thing, but when I play TOC, it's invariably the Americans who behave like they own the course and that anyone else playing is just getting in the way, perhaps because they pay the money they think no one else matters. The volume at which they speak, and the inappropriate timing of it has led me to  c -word insults on more than a few occasions.

MontysMerkin wrote:My winter league partner likes to jangle his change at just such times, and to be fair he's still alive..

Seve would be proud. Not of you, but your partner.

Noise on the course; some people are just too precious about it. My course has a long driveway from the main road to the club house that winds through the back nine, passing a couple of tees on the way.

All the members (usually) respect people on a tee box close to the driveway and stop if there is someone waiting to tee off (though a lot have noisy diesel cars that are worse when in idle than when driving past. I don't stop if I'm passing a nearby green when someone is putting (though some do) but I always show willing to stop if passing a nearby tee box

I was once playing a "fun" mixed team event though and just about to tee off one of the tees close to the driveway. A car roared past just as I was teeing off. I hit a shocker but laughed it off as I couldn't blame the car - it was just a bad swing. While we were sat in the bar afterwards, the lady in our team (a past lady captain) got a text from a guy apologizing for blazing past the tee; said he hadn't seen anyone there. It was only a past (men's) captain!

super_realist wrote:LP, I'm playing Leven on Sunday, how's the course looking?

This morning, despite a heavy frost it was still full greens and there are just astroturf mats on the 5th and 7th (par 3) yellow tees. The course looks great - I've not played for more than a week - I had to stay in last Tuesday to wait for a man to come a measure up for a new window (!) - but himself played and said the course was great. We go to playing off mats on the fairways on December 5th so you've just managed to squeeze in.

What time are you off? Not that I'm going to come down and heckle you - though I'm tempted

Agent LP - don't let us down now...

Six Ryder Cuppers, past and present, and one who will be in the Dubai Top Seven. Excellent leaderboard but wouldn't have expected Vic and The Dude to be leading the way!

Sorry Davie but Super seems a little coy about letting me know his tee time so I don't think I'll be able to go and report on his golfing prowess and his superior physique!

I bet he has small hands..

It really hurts to watch Lee Westwood with a putter. Such a shame with all the missed opportunities, especially that one on 18.

There's been plenty of talk about Rory and which clubs he is going to use but does anyone know if he's changed or going to change ball?

You can leave your hatton...

What a choke for Tyrell, but hattoff for Fitzy.

And another European crown for Stenson, well deserved.

How could Franny still be on the R2D Rankings after playing 8 ET tournaments only? This while Top Five has been ditched from it long ago because he was no longer able to comply with reaching the minimum threshold. Whatever that minimum might be, 12 or 13?.

Isn't it down to only 5 tournaments now? CLICK HERE

I see.

However, Franny has played - outside of 2 majors and 1 WGC - only some kind of "mini-extended-Rolex" schedule, i.e. Wentworth, France, Italian & DP Dubai. That's 4!

As far as my geography goes Brasil never has been situated in Europe, but perhaps it was the case in 2016 (?)

I think so. Found this line in the link I gave you......as will the Olympic Games for the first time next year. The link was written in 2015, so it meant this year.

Edit: Sorry misunderstood you. Franny didn't play in Olympics. But France counted for two as it was the centenary.

I'm never wrong wrote:..... But France counted for two as it was the centenary.

Ah, thnx. That's it. Clever thinking of Franny. Dual tour membership doesn't seem to be that hard anymore these days. No much playing. Just a lot of flying.

In Dubai, A British Tourist is arrested for extra-marital sex after telling police that she was gang raped by British Nationals.

http://ktla.com/2016/11/19/uk-woman-arrested-charged-with-extramarital-sex-after-reporting-r***-in-dubai/

Interesting that there is so much angst on this board about the USA election, and Dubai politics and culture are completely ignored.

This is quite common actually GPB, makes NI look cultured and forward thinking.

GPB wrote:In Dubai, A British Tourist is arrested for extra-marital sex after telling police that she was gang raped by British Nationals.

http://ktla.com/2016/11/19/uk-woman-arrested-charged-with-extramarital-sex-after-reporting-r***-in-dubai/

Interesting that there is so much angst on this board about the USA election, and Dubai politics and culture are completely ignored.

The USA don't give us enough money to ignore them

It's the soft bigotry of low expectations GPB. They're camel drivers, what would you expect. But they have money and nice weather so the cultural relativism becomes quite easy.
With the US it's a bit different, because we can rightfully ask: Where did it go wrong?

Has Matty Fitzy pants been vindicated in his decision to ditch uni for life at home but as a tour pro?

Hard to see how a few more years in Uni would have given him a better start to his pro career.

Let's wait and see. Playing in the desert helped him keeping his diaper dry.

Rationalization and/or Excuses. There are places in USA that have similar (or better weather) than Dubai.

What's Right is Right and What's Wrong is Wrong. It doesn't matter how "common' it is.

Don't excuse it, Don't rationalize. Its astounding how much the Euro Tour is in bed with the Middle East

McLaren wrote:Has Matty Fitzy pants been vindicated in his decision to ditch uni for life at home but as a tour pro?

Hard to see how a few more years in Uni would have given him a better start to his pro career.

If he would have been happy and comfortable there... could be college could have been a benefit. But obviously he wasn't... so really no matter. But with 20-20 hindsight, hard to argue with his results since he made the decision... 3 wins is pretty stout for a 22-year old...

Pity none were in the Ryder Cup . . . . . . . .

GPB wrote:Rationalization and/or Excuses.  There are places in USA that have similar (or better weather) than Dubai.

What's Right is Right and What's Wrong is Wrong.  It doesn't matter how "common' it is.

Don't excuse it, Don't rationalize.  Its astounding how much the Euro Tour is in bed with the Middle East

I wouldn't throw stones GPB. America is every bit as much a lickspittle of the Middle East as Europe is.

To be fair, on many levels Dubai is not very Middle East at all. Yes you can be thrown in jail for snogging in public or being drunk in public but to be fair, anyone going there should be aware of that. There are other practices that we would consider unacceptable that they don't and vice-Versa. The other side of that though is that is very little street crime at all, it's a very safe environment to holiday in if you're behaving yourself. You have a lot more freedom to relax in a western way in Dubai than say Saudi.

Unless you're an asian immigrant in the building industry.

super_realist wrote:

GPB wrote:Rationalization and/or Excuses.  There are places in USA that have similar (or better weather) than Dubai.

What's Right is Right and What's Wrong is Wrong.  It doesn't matter how "common' it is.

Don't excuse it, Don't rationalize.  <b>Its astounding how much the Euro Tour is in bed with the Middle East</b>

I wouldn't throw stones GPB. America is every bit as much a lickspittle of the Middle East as Europe is.

Tell me again what PGATournaments are in the Middle East? Because that is my post is about.

Precious few in the US North-East without going to the Middle East . . . . . .

kwinigolfer wrote:Precious few in the US North-East without going to the Middle East . . . . . .

Well there is always the USGA North-East bias.

The US Open is in the Central Time zone in 2017. But there has only been one US Open in the CTZ since 1991. Chicago in 2003.

IIRC, There hasn't been a US Open in the Mountain Time Zone since Andy North in 1978.

But that's not the PGA Tour. "Because that is (what) my post is about."

kwinigolfer wrote:But that's not the PGA Tour. "Because that is (what) my post is about."

and that is why I specified USGA.

There are at least three PGA tournaments in the Northeast every year.  Travelers, Barclays and whatever they are calling the D-Bank tournament now.

Closest annual PGATournament to Denver Co is what?  Driving distance to both Quad Cities and Phoenix is about 850 miles.  Vegas is 650 miles

Yeah, But no-one lives there, and still fewer care about golf, or any sport for that matter that's not huntin', skiin', fishin' or shootin' animals. Or democrats.
I judge by people, not the electoral college.

Did the Europeans use the US electoral college system to select their RC team?