Viktor Kolelishvili could be in big trouble

I was at this game and I could not believe what I had just seen, fair play to Wayne Barnes, he just gave him a telling off, but that player has serious issues, how he stayed on the pitch throughout the game is beggars belief. On top of this push on Barnes he was giving late tackles out, putting his hands into AWJ's face after some off the ball argy bargy. Clermont took him off the field before he was sent off in the end, but I swear Viktor Kolelishvili could have taken Wayne Barnes's wife right there in front of him on Friday night and I doubt he would have sent him off.

Anyway, the authorities have taken over now;-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/european-rugby/12103067/Rugby-referee-Wayne-Barnes-shoved-by-player.html

That may be the craziest thing I have ever seen on a rugby pitch.

He obviously felt Barnes was obstructing his defensive path, but to go and shove the ref beggars belief.

You wouldn't even see that on a football pitch!

I reckon h will be looking at a lengthy ban for it, he will be made an example of.

Agreed, an example should be made of this and i hope he gets a ban counted in months not weeks.

He should be banned for a considerable time. Maybe even the rest of the season!

An example has to be made or next we'll have players ganging round the ref like Chelsea and Man Utd players!

Lucky for Clermont they have other back row options. Having watched Kolelishvili a few times this year, I was surprised to see him lose it so spectacularly as he looked like he had moved ahead of the yellow card magnate that is Julian Bardy, precisely because his discipline was better!

I put this without the link in another thread yesterday and said he should have seen red, I mentioned about Percy Montgomery getting a 6 month ban for pushing a touch judge over, and it was shown on the highlights package last night on Sky and it was mentioned Neil Back also had a 6 month sanction for pushing Steve Lander, I couldn't believe it when Sean Edwards said that Barnes handled the whole affair well

Poite was shoved by a Glasgow player yesterday and nobody even mentioned it?

It made me laugh a lot, but yeah he should probably be given some sort of ban or sanction.

I think Barnes handled it very well at the time to be fair to him. No need to escalate things unnecessarily and giving a warning let the game flow. I couldn't criticise his response, apart from Kolelishvilli deserved his second yellow in the second half right before he was substituted.

Scottrf wrote:Poite was shoved by a Glasgow player yesterday and nobody even mentioned it?

Was it in the same manner as this incident ?

LordDowlais wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Poite was shoved by a Glasgow player yesterday and nobody even mentioned it?

Was it in the same manner as this incident ?

Well, he pushed him, nobody was hurt. Life carried on. I'd say similar.

Then he should be banned aswell!

We have to stop this and the diving etc NOW before it takes hold as acceptable!

LordDowlais wrote:....I swear Viktor Kolelishvili could have taken Wayne Barnes's wife right there in front of him on Friday night and I doubt he would have sent him off.

Was this really necessary to say?

Pot Hale wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:....I swear Viktor Kolelishvili could have taken Wayne Barnes's wife right there in front of him on Friday night and I doubt he would have sent him off.

Was this really necessary to say?

More important, is it even a cardable offence?

rapidsnowman wrote:That may be the craziest thing I have ever seen on a rugby pitch.

He obviously felt Barnes was obstructing his defensive path, but to go and shove the ref beggars belief.

You wouldn't even see that on a football pitch!

Wanna bet? This one is funnier because of the way the ref goes down in stages. Di Canio got banned for 11 matches (he's already been sent off before the incident).

Not only are rugby players tougher than footballers, but rugby refs are tougher than football refs!

It is the way he cowers on the grass that is almost embarrassing to watch.

It is comforting to know Di Canio went on to forge a career in coaching

It would be harsh to ban him for that, the penalty against him and a talking to is enough plus and a little reminder to all players not to do that.

At least Wayne didn't make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Barnes has a habit of getting in the way on the field, I remember during the RWC he did it 2 or 3 times in a game. Stood on a 9s shoulder and blocked a pass, he just doesn't seem to know where to stand at times, if the counter ruck hadn't come in he was probably getting flattened but Koleishvili could have politely asked him to move

marty2086 wrote:Barnes has a habit of getting in the way on the field, I remember during the RWC he did it 2 or 3 times in a game. Stood on a 9s shoulder and blocked a pass, he just doesn't seem to know where to stand at times, if the counter ruck hadn't come in he was probably getting flattened but Koleishvili could have politely asked him to move

The second time I looked at the clip, I thought that was exactly what Koleshvilli had done before he went up to him and pushed him - Barnes didn't hear him with the other voices around him.

Barnes dealt with this exactly right. It wasn't an act of dissent or aggression towards the match official. it was an error of judgement from a player completely engrossed in his own role in the game.

Dealt with by the referee and everyone should move on.

It was a very stupid thing to do but I am also of the opinion that Barnes handled it very well.

I would also like to say just what a piece of sportsmanship AWJ showed when he asked Barnes not to send him off after their little handbag clash. That was quality from AWJ

I agree with eirebilly and Ozzy. It's one thing to push an official in petulance when play has stopped, it's another to get caught up when the official in question is impeding play, and AWJ's request not to send him off was a decent piece of sportsmanship. I thought Barnes handled it all pretty well - it could have exploded, but he defused the situation pretty well and I think gave Clermont enough notice that they subbed him before he got himself carded again.

Cited https://www.606v2.com/t61872-this-weekend-s-citings

Poorfour wrote:I agree with eirebilly and Ozzy. It's one thing to push an official in petulance when play has stopped, it's another to get caught up when the official in question is impeding play, and AWJ's request not to send him off was a decent piece of sportsmanship. I thought Barnes handled it all pretty well - it could have exploded, but he defused the situation pretty well and I think gave Clermont enough notice that they subbed him before he got himself carded again.

Spot on Barnes is an experienced ref ad he was standing in the way of the defending side. A little push to point this out and there is all this who ha! AWJ had it right.....get on with the game.

LondonTiger wrote:Cited https://www.606v2.com/t61872-this-weekend-s-citings

Testicle grabbing.....
I know its serious...but I had to chuckle at that one!!

Ozzy3213 wrote:Barnes dealt with this exactly right.  It wasn't an act of dissent or aggression towards the match official.  it was an error of judgement from a player completely engrossed in his own role in the game.

Dealt with by the referee and everyone should move on.

Agreed.

Barnes is head and shoulders above the other refs right now.

Poite is probably up there too.

Anyone have a link to the similar incident in the Glasgow game?

GeordieFalcon wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:Cited https://www.606v2.com/t61872-this-weekend-s-citings

Testicle grabbing.....
I know its serious...but I had to chuckle at that one!!

Yeah, it's all very funny until its your testicles being grabbed!

Not for the fainthearted

14 week ban is way way way over the top, but at least it sends a clear message to everyone.

TightHEAD wrote:14 week ban is way way way over the top, but at least it sends a clear message to everyone.

No it isn't. If anything 14 weeks is not enough, there is too much theatrics entering our game, playacting, milking penalties, players asking for cards to be issued, we need these things to stop and this is a start.

No 14 weeks is over the top, Barnes was blocking him.

As I've heard refs say before, they have to stand somewhere!

TightHEAD wrote:No 14 weeks is over the top, Barnes was blocking him.

Blocking him or not, you cannot take the law into your own hands and start pushing the person in charge around. Perhaps you like all this crap that is working it's way into our game ? You like all the acting, milking of pens ect ?

LordDowlais wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:No 14 weeks is over the top, Barnes was blocking him.

Blocking him or not, you cannot take the law into your own hands and start pushing the person in charge around. Perhaps you like all this crap that is working it's way into our game ? You like all the acting, milking of pens ect ?

Only in your head are they related. This was an error of judgment not deliberate cheating.

No I don't like it but I'd imagine the guys 1st language is not English so there was a communication problem to over come and the guy was pumped up for the game, Barnes handled it well imo but 14 weeks is ridiculous.

I also don't like the use of performance enhancing drugs in the game at lower levels, big problem in wales I hear, what is being done about that?

3/4 week ban was enough to send a clear message to everyone.

What on earth has drugs got to do with this? Pure stupidity.

No 7&1/2 wrote:What on earth has drugs got to do with this? Pure stupidity.

or you could have gone with

what has, playacting, milking penalties, players asking for cards got to do with it!

Scottrf wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:No 14 weeks is over the top, Barnes was blocking him.

Blocking him or not, you cannot take the law into your own hands and start pushing the person in charge around. Perhaps you like all this crap that is working it's way into our game ? You like all the acting, milking of pens ect ?

Only in your head are they related. This was an error of judgment not deliberate cheating.

It all revolves around the same attitude the players take towards the game itself, when players like in football, think they are bigger than the game, they think they can do what they like, they think they can walk around like demi gods, all the respect is gone. I was watching Ospreys V Leinster the other week, Underhill went to charge a Sexton kick down, yes he was committed, but he hardly touched Sexton, but Sexton went down as if he was pole axed, he was writhing on the floor in agony, then when the pen was given, Sexton sprang up onto his feet run 20 odd yards towards the ref and he was demanding a card be given for it.

It is this I want out of the game, who do players think they are when they can just shove a ref ? Why is all this nonsense creeping into our game ? We need it stopped, and it is the attitudes of the players that need sorting out.

Clear link in that comment to this discussion. Drugs have no place in here when you appear to be trying to score cheap digs.

TightHEAD wrote:
I also don't like the use of performance enhancing drugs in the game at lower levels, big problem in wales I hear, what is being done about that?

Ah hear we go, it is another agenda, tighthead wants to bring his anti Welsh agenda into it, nothing to do with the situation, just wants to de-rial this into an English and Welsh bitch fest.

Why don't you go and find Gwlad, he will do all that with you.

LordDowlais wrote:It all revolves around the same attitude the players take towards the game itself, when players like in football, think they are bigger than the game, they think they can do what they like, they think they can walk around like demi gods, all the respect is gone. I was watching Ospreys V Leinster the other week, Underhill went to charge a Sexton kick down, yes he was committed, but he hardly touched Sexton, but Sexton went down as if he was pole axed, he was writhing on the floor in agony, then when the pen was given, Sexton sprang up onto his feet run 20 odd yards towards the ref and he was demanding a card be given for it.

It is this I want out of the game, who do players think they are when they can just shove a ref ? Why is all this nonsense creeping into our game ? We need it stopped, and it is the attitudes of the players that need sorting out.

Again, just because you link them doesn't mean they are linked. You could say 'players are getting higher wages like in football so they don't have the same respect for referees'. Doesn't make it relevant.

No 7&1/2 wrote:Clear link in that comment to this discussion. Drugs have no place in here when you appear to be trying to score cheap digs.

In your opinion!

To me there is clearly no link between a pumped up player making a poor call to push a ref out of his way in the heat of the moment and play acting asking for cards etc.

So you think performance enhancing drugs in the lower levels of the game aren't a problem. Interesting!

LordDowlais wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:
I also don't like the use of performance enhancing drugs in the game at lower levels, big problem in wales I hear, what is being done about that?

Ah hear we go, it is another agenda, tighthead wants to bring his anti Welsh agenda into it, nothing to do with the situation, just wants to de-rial this into an English and Welsh bitch fest.

Why don't you go and find Gwlad, he will do all that with you.

My 3 year old daughter throws tantrums too, I usually just ignore them when that happens.

LordDowlais wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:No 14 weeks is over the top, Barnes was blocking him.

Blocking him or not, you cannot take the law into your own hands and start pushing the person in charge around. Perhaps you like all this crap that is working it's way into our game ? You like all the acting, milking of pens ect ?

Only in your head are they related. This was an error of judgment not deliberate cheating.

It all revolves around the same attitude the players take towards the game itself, when players like in football, think they are bigger than the game, they think they can do what they like, they think they can walk around like demi gods, all the respect is gone. I was watching Ospreys V Leinster the other week, Underhill went to charge a Sexton kick down, yes he was committed, but he hardly touched Sexton, but Sexton went down as if he was pole axed, he was writhing on the floor in agony, then when the pen was given, Sexton sprang up onto his feet run 20 odd yards towards the ref and he was demanding a card be given for it.

It is this I want out of the game, who do players think they are when they can just shove a ref ? Why is all this nonsense creeping into our game ? We need it stopped, and it is the attitudes of the players that need sorting out.

Another thing that needs to be thrown out, is the ridiculous halving of a decision just because the player pleads guilty or says sorry, I can understand it in a criminal case as it would save the cost of a trial, and possibly the thousands of pounds in fetching all the participants together for weeks on end, but for a tribunal that was going to happen anyway and invariably lasts a few hours at most, not needed.

No tantrum from me, go and take you anti Welsh agenda elsewhere, I want to talk about players respecting the refs and the game on here, I do not want to argue with you about Welsh and English or any other nation for that matter.

TightHEAD wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Clear link in that comment to this discussion. Drugs have no place in here when you appear to be trying to score cheap digs.

In your opinion!  

To me there is clearly no link between a pumped up player making a poor call to push a ref out of his way in the heat of the moment and play acting asking for cards etc.

So you think performance enhancing drugs in the lower levels of the game aren't a problem. Interesting!

You seem to have trouble reading. Leave out the nationality bull.

LordDowlais wrote:No tantrum from me, go and take you anti Welsh agenda elsewhere, I want to talk about players respecting the refs and the game on here, I do not want to argue with you about Welsh and English or any other nation for that matter.

What's anti welsh about highlighting a real problem in the Welsh game at the lower levels, if you are talking about showing the game respect then that is showing the opposition and fans no respect whatsoever, not even respect for yourself.

This could get entertaining and help pass the hours for the Irish squad announcement, keep it going lads