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6N 2016: Scotland v England, 6 February
First topic message reminder :
SCOTLAND v ENGLAND
6 February 2016
KO: 16:50 GMT
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
Live on BBC, RTE, FR2, DMAX / ITV(H)
Referee: John Lacey (Ireland)
Touch judges: [tbc]
Television match official: [tbc]
A. Head to Head
133 Played 133
42 Won 73
18 Drawn 18
73 Lost 42
1,132 Points 1,547
B. Recent Form
14 March 2015
Twickenham, London
25 – 13 to England
8 February 2014
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
0 – 20 to England
2 February 2013
Twickenham, London
38 – 18 to England
4 February 2012
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
6 – 13 to England
1 October 2011
Eden Park, Auckland
16 – 12 to England
C. Teams
SCOTLAND
15. Stuart Hogg
14. Sean Maitland
13. Mark Bennett
12. Matt Scott
11. Tommy Seymour
10. Finn Russell
09. Greig Laidlaw (captain)
01. Alasdair Dickinson
02. Ross Ford
03. Willem Nel
04. Richie Gray
05. Jonny Gray
06. John Barclay
07. John Hardie
08. David Denton
16. Stuart McInally
17. Gordon Reid
18. Zander Fagerson
19. Tim Swinson
20. Blair Cowan
21. Sam Hidalgo-Clyne
22. Duncan Weir
23. Duncan Taylor
ENGLAND
15. Mike Brown
14. Anthony Watson
13. Jonathan Joseph
12. Owen Farrell
11. Jack Nowell
10. George Ford
09. Danny Care
01. Joe Marler
02. Dylan Hartley
03. Dan Cole
04. Joe Launchbury
05. George Kruis
06. Chris Robshaw
07. James Haskell
08. Billy Vunipola
16. Jamie George
17. Mako Vunipola
18. Paul Hill
19. Courtney Lawes
20. Jack Clifford
21. Ben Youngs
22. Alex Goode
23. Ollie Devoto
SCOTLAND v ENGLAND
6 February 2016
KO: 16:50 GMT
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
Live on BBC, RTE, FR2, DMAX / ITV(H)
Referee: John Lacey (Ireland)
Touch judges: [tbc]
Television match official: [tbc]
A. Head to Head
133 Played 133
42 Won 73
18 Drawn 18
73 Lost 42
1,132 Points 1,547
B. Recent Form
14 March 2015
Twickenham, London
25 – 13 to England
8 February 2014
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
0 – 20 to England
2 February 2013
Twickenham, London
38 – 18 to England
4 February 2012
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
6 – 13 to England
1 October 2011
Eden Park, Auckland
16 – 12 to England
C. Teams
SCOTLAND
15. Stuart Hogg
14. Sean Maitland
13. Mark Bennett
12. Matt Scott
11. Tommy Seymour
10. Finn Russell
09. Greig Laidlaw (captain)
01. Alasdair Dickinson
02. Ross Ford
03. Willem Nel
04. Richie Gray
05. Jonny Gray
06. John Barclay
07. John Hardie
08. David Denton
16. Stuart McInally
17. Gordon Reid
18. Zander Fagerson
19. Tim Swinson
20. Blair Cowan
21. Sam Hidalgo-Clyne
22. Duncan Weir
23. Duncan Taylor
ENGLAND
15. Mike Brown
14. Anthony Watson
13. Jonathan Joseph
12. Owen Farrell
11. Jack Nowell
10. George Ford
09. Danny Care
01. Joe Marler
02. Dylan Hartley
03. Dan Cole
04. Joe Launchbury
05. George Kruis
06. Chris Robshaw
07. James Haskell
08. Billy Vunipola
16. Jamie George
17. Mako Vunipola
18. Paul Hill
19. Courtney Lawes
20. Jack Clifford
21. Ben Youngs
22. Alex Goode
23. Ollie Devoto
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Re: 6N 2016: Scotland v England, 6 February
I think Scott and Taylor will do a job for us.....Dunbar & Bennett are a step up but if we do manage to get a win, and they're both fit and back against Wales, it gives us an even bigger chance of gaining momentum heading into the 3rd round with 2 wins under our belt.
If's and But's though...
If's and But's though...
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I think we can't take the risk with Bennett, I'd rather he sat out this game and was 100% fit, rather than take the chance in this game when he's not fully fit and risk him for the rest of the tournament.
The only problem with that is we have nothing left in the cupboard at centre. We're not far off having a Lamont and Grove* combo.
With regards to Farrell at 12, whilst I think it's an odd call, Jones obviously feels it's a viable option and to be fair Jones's record speaks for itself at international coaching level, whereas mine is non existent. So if he feels it is the best option for England based on how he wants the team to play, then I fear he's probably right. I don't think Vern will be foolish enough to fall into the trap of focusing on Farrell.
If we play our own game then we should do well. Not sure if we'll do well enough to win (as one injury to Scott & Taylor leaves us up the creak) but it should at least be a close game, and you never know we might actually manage to win.
*Nothing against Grove, he's just not playing at a high level at the moment.
The only problem with that is we have nothing left in the cupboard at centre. We're not far off having a Lamont and Grove* combo.
With regards to Farrell at 12, whilst I think it's an odd call, Jones obviously feels it's a viable option and to be fair Jones's record speaks for itself at international coaching level, whereas mine is non existent. So if he feels it is the best option for England based on how he wants the team to play, then I fear he's probably right. I don't think Vern will be foolish enough to fall into the trap of focusing on Farrell.
If we play our own game then we should do well. Not sure if we'll do well enough to win (as one injury to Scott & Taylor leaves us up the creak) but it should at least be a close game, and you never know we might actually manage to win.
*Nothing against Grove, he's just not playing at a high level at the moment.
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Re: 6N 2016: Scotland v England, 6 February
cb wrote:I guess that's what makes this year's game very interesting: -
Scotland played the best of the home nations at the WC and play at home.
England were pretty dire, but now have a new manager and some new players though not a major change as yet.
Very hard to call but should be a fascinating match.
I keep reading this. Both Ireland and Wales beat better opposition than Scoland, and reached the same stage. Personally I thought Wales were the pick of the home nations at the WC.
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Re: 6N 2016: Scotland v England, 6 February
Scott and Taylor will be absolutely fine.
Dunbar hasn't had any meaningful game time for nearly a year. Scott is fit, battle hardened and playing well.
Even if Bennett was fit I would pick Taylor. If anyone has seen him playing at Sarries he has been on fire.
Scott and Taylor deserve their starts on performances and form, not just because Bennet and Dunbar are injured.
Should Bennett recover I would still start him at 13, despite my previous comments. And that's not because I don't think Taylor worthy. Point is Taylor would be more comfortable out on the wing.
Otherwise we have the spectre of Lamont trying to contain Watson, Brown or Nowell.
Dunbar hasn't had any meaningful game time for nearly a year. Scott is fit, battle hardened and playing well.
Even if Bennett was fit I would pick Taylor. If anyone has seen him playing at Sarries he has been on fire.
Scott and Taylor deserve their starts on performances and form, not just because Bennet and Dunbar are injured.
Should Bennett recover I would still start him at 13, despite my previous comments. And that's not because I don't think Taylor worthy. Point is Taylor would be more comfortable out on the wing.
Otherwise we have the spectre of Lamont trying to contain Watson, Brown or Nowell.
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funnyExiledScot wrote:cb wrote:I guess that's what makes this year's game very interesting: -
Scotland played the best of the home nations at the WC and play at home.
England were pretty dire, but now have a new manager and some new players though not a major change as yet.
Very hard to call but should be a fascinating match.
I keep reading this. Both Ireland and Wales beat better opposition than Scoland, and reached the same stage. Personally I thought Wales were the pick of the home nations at the WC.
Have to agree FES - Not sure when Scotland beat England at Twickenham last but that win by an injury ravaged Welsh team was pretty impressive and I think it eclipses what Scotland achieved at the RWC. 2 narrow losses to Aus and SA were also nothing to be ashamed of. We could have won both those but at the end of the day the better team won and we just came up short. Scotland on the other hand beat 3 lower tier nations then got slammed by SA before falling unfairly against Aus. in a game that was a 50/50. It's all a little petty but I can't see how Scotland had the better RWC when they only beat 3 lower tier teams. I appreciate England are a lower tier team now but they were one of the favourites for the RWC and playing at home
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Wales were hands down the best team from the 6N in the RWC. Scotland hands down the most improved.
I still think our forwards are better than England but I do worry what the English back 3 might be capable of especially with the acres of space the Murrayfield pitch provides and the glacially slow Lamont exposed on the wing.
I still think our forwards are better than England but I do worry what the English back 3 might be capable of especially with the acres of space the Murrayfield pitch provides and the glacially slow Lamont exposed on the wing.
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England wont get the ball that wide Radge with the stodge in the centre - They will put cross field aerial kicks in and Lamont is not too bad in that facet. Speed out wide might be an issue in broken play though. You can't afford to miss first up tackles. This is an England side lacking a huge amount of confidence and if you get amongst them I see you winning with your set piece and discipline. I see you sending them back to think again.
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England will be lacking a couple of things sure.
Confidence will not be one of them.
Confidence will not be one of them.
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Re: 6N 2016: Scotland v England, 6 February
Tattie Scones RRN wrote:England will be lacking a couple of things sure.
Confidence will not be one of them.
Testies?
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Yeah no need to worry about Englands backline. We don't get the ball wider than 10 anyway. Scotlands forwards are miles better so the little ball we get to play with will be kicked straight to Hogg. :Sarcasm smiley:
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Re: 6N 2016: Scotland v England, 6 February
Indeed 7 1/2 :-)
The back 3 are very good and if the do get decent ball they will give us real trouble. This is something I have found hard to fathom in the england team - more so under Lancaster but also in the selection ( we believe) of Farrell at centre - you have a very dangerous back 3 - set up to use them not to deprive them of decent ball
The back 3 are very good and if the do get decent ball they will give us real trouble. This is something I have found hard to fathom in the england team - more so under Lancaster but also in the selection ( we believe) of Farrell at centre - you have a very dangerous back 3 - set up to use them not to deprive them of decent ball
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Re: 6N 2016: Scotland v England, 6 February
RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Tattie Scones RRN wrote:England will be lacking a couple of things sure.
Confidence will not be one of them.
Testies?
Seems to be an issue North of the border too. Why else would Wilson be so keen to try and find some....
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Before we get prosecuted I would just like to confirm that Wilson's charges were dropped!
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lostinwales wrote:RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Tattie Scones RRN wrote:England will be lacking a couple of things sure.
Confidence will not be one of them.
Testies?
Seems to be an issue North of the border too. Why else would Wilson be so keen to try and find some....
Holy testicle squashing batman!
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RDW_Scotland wrote:Before we get prosecuted I would just like to confirm that Wilson's charges were dropped!
You mean someone in the citing process dropped the ball?
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Farrell and Ford together should ensure Scotland can't really target one of them TJ. My general worry under some Lancaster games was it was easy to know what we would do with the midfield chosen. The choice of Farrell should be a step up in distribution on Burrell who was below par in the team last year. I think most would prefer Slade to be fit but I don't see the Farrell thing as negatively as some hence my positivity on scoreline. Just another week to find out.
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I can see our back 3 having a busy day - I suspect Ford and Farrell will be told to make sure Hogg covers every blade of grass over the 80 minutes, with a good kick-chase putting pressure on him.
A Scott-Taylor combo would mean we have limited kicking options - Hogg has a huge boot but it is a bit all or nothing, as opposed to pinpoint accuracy.
A Scott-Taylor combo would mean we have limited kicking options - Hogg has a huge boot but it is a bit all or nothing, as opposed to pinpoint accuracy.
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TJ wrote:RDW_Scotland wrote:Before we get prosecuted I would just like to confirm that Wilson's charges were dropped!
You mean someone in the citing process dropped the ball?
'pressure' can do that to you
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Well..with regards to Farrell selection we can expect 2 things.
1) In our own half that poor ball is going to have the leather kicked off the thing.
My concern is though that we are poor generally at tactical kicking. So we better have worked on that with Johnny...or have our kick chase working well!
2) Expect a lot of miss passes from 10 to 13...or pop passes from 10 to Mako, Haskell or Billy on the crash.
1) In our own half that poor ball is going to have the leather kicked off the thing.
My concern is though that we are poor generally at tactical kicking. So we better have worked on that with Johnny...or have our kick chase working well!
2) Expect a lot of miss passes from 10 to 13...or pop passes from 10 to Mako, Haskell or Billy on the crash.
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Has Hartley suddenly become the most important English player in your starting XV?
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I don't think so.RubyGuby wrote:Has Hartley suddenly become the most important English player in your starting XV?
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Who do you think is Geordie? Who would send your heart rate plummeting if he was injured etc. I'm thinking JJ but you might prove me wrong. I'm just interested. AWJ remains vital for us as he for me is the talisman that holds it together.
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RubyGuby wrote:Who do you think is Geordie? Who would send your heart rate plummeting if he was injured etc. I'm thinking JJ but you might prove me wrong. I'm just interested. AWJ remains vital for us as he for me is the talisman that holds it together.
From an outsider I actually think Robshaw and Brown are England's most important players. Robshaw is IMO one of the best loose forwards in the NH. A huge engine, who smacks into rucks with reckless courage and I personally think he should be captain.
Brown is also very important. He epitomizes the English smugness that Guscott and Carling oozed in the 90s. He's also a fantastic broken field runner, great under the high ball and a fearless tackler. He also has that niggley edge that I hate but England fans must love.
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Do you know Ruby at this moment in time I really don't think we have a talisman that cant be replaced.
Maybe that reflects that we don't have any "world Class" players...or inspirational leaders.
But there are a few kids coming through who will get gametime this 6n and "could" become that.
Maybe that reflects that we don't have any "world Class" players...or inspirational leaders.
But there are a few kids coming through who will get gametime this 6n and "could" become that.
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Can't speak for Geordie, but personally JJ isn't quite as important as he was. He's been going through a tough season at Bath and hasn't been in the same form of late, plus Elliott Daly has been just about the form back in England this season. To be honest, part of Lancaster's good work (and there was some believe it or not) was that he developed depth in every position and there is a like for like replacement for almost everybody. Saying that, we probably wouldn't want to lose Dan Cole having already lost Kieran Brookes...
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If JJ falls we have a good (if inexperienced) replacement in Daly. We don't really have a 'talisman' as such at the moment. Robshaw could be that, as could Launchbury, Tuilagi or one of the new guys but its too early in the current regime to say who
edit: Brown ofc thanks RR
edit: Brown ofc thanks RR
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RuggerRadge2611 wrote:RubyGuby wrote:Who do you think is Geordie? Who would send your heart rate plummeting if he was injured etc. I'm thinking JJ but you might prove me wrong. I'm just interested. AWJ remains vital for us as he for me is the talisman that holds it together.
From an outsider I actually think Robshaw and Brown are England's most important players. Robshaw is IMO one of the best loose forwards in the NH. A huge engine, who smacks into rucks with reckless courage and I personally think he should be captain.
Brown is also very important. He epitomizes the English smugness that Guscott and Carling oozed in the 90s. He's also a fantastic broken field runner, great under the high ball and a fearless tackler. He also has that niggley edge that I hate but England fans must love.
You think he's smug? Never considered him that, a bit fighty/chippy maybe but not particularly smug.
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Ironically one of our biggest misses may have be a fully fit Corbisieru.
He was a beast ...a heavyweight scrummager and yet awesome in the loose. When we lost him I think we really lost some serious power in that pack which no one has replaced.
He was a beast ...a heavyweight scrummager and yet awesome in the loose. When we lost him I think we really lost some serious power in that pack which no one has replaced.
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Cumbrian wrote:RuggerRadge2611 wrote:RubyGuby wrote:Who do you think is Geordie? Who would send your heart rate plummeting if he was injured etc. I'm thinking JJ but you might prove me wrong. I'm just interested. AWJ remains vital for us as he for me is the talisman that holds it together.
From an outsider I actually think Robshaw and Brown are England's most important players. Robshaw is IMO one of the best loose forwards in the NH. A huge engine, who smacks into rucks with reckless courage and I personally think he should be captain.
Brown is also very important. He epitomizes the English smugness that Guscott and Carling oozed in the 90s. He's also a fantastic broken field runner, great under the high ball and a fearless tackler. He also has that niggley edge that I hate but England fans must love.
You think he's smug? Never considered him that, a bit fighty/chippy maybe but not particularly smug.
Yeah agree..i'd hardly call him Smug.
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GeordieFalcon wrote: Ironically one of our biggest misses may have be a fully fit Corbisieru.
He was a beast ...a heavyweight scrummager and yet awesome in the loose. When we lost him I think we really lost some serious power in that pack which no one has replaced.
Another what could have been there I think.
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I really don't think the English will get much sympathy if they ever complain about injuries - there are more referees in England than players in Scotland!
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GeordieFalcon wrote:Cumbrian wrote:RuggerRadge2611 wrote:RubyGuby wrote:Who do you think is Geordie? Who would send your heart rate plummeting if he was injured etc. I'm thinking JJ but you might prove me wrong. I'm just interested. AWJ remains vital for us as he for me is the talisman that holds it together.
From an outsider I actually think Robshaw and Brown are England's most important players. Robshaw is IMO one of the best loose forwards in the NH. A huge engine, who smacks into rucks with reckless courage and I personally think he should be captain.
Brown is also very important. He epitomizes the English smugness that Guscott and Carling oozed in the 90s. He's also a fantastic broken field runner, great under the high ball and a fearless tackler. He also has that niggley edge that I hate but England fans must love.
You think he's smug? Never considered him that, a bit fighty/chippy maybe but not particularly smug.
Yeah agree..i'd hardly call him Smug.
Just my opinion lads.
He's a player I dislike though so that must mean he does something right!
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Geordiefalcon England haven't been very good at developing world class players or inspirational leaders - is it that surprising that we arguably have none?
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Personally I think Hartley, Haskell and Farrell are the key men. The selections most under scrutiny. If they all play well then I can't see England losing.
I think Brown is a great warrior but I think sometimes he lacks vision and some of the management skills you need from a 15. Particularly poor vs Australia IMO. He's done more good than bad though.
Probably think the player which would be worst to lose early on is Billy.
Was IMO England's best player in the 6 nations last season (look at the stats and you'll see what I mean). Great RWC - big blow to England when he went off injured.
There's also no like for like replacement in the 23.
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Personally I think Hartley, Haskell and Farrell are the key men. The selections most under scrutiny. If they all play well then I can't see England losing.
I think Brown is a great warrior but I think sometimes he lacks vision and some of the management skills you need from a 15. Particularly poor vs Australia IMO. He's done more good than bad though.
Probably think the player which would be worst to lose early on is Billy.
Was IMO England's best player in the 6 nations last season (look at the stats and you'll see what I mean). Great RWC - big blow to England when he went off injured.
There's also no like for like replacement in the 23.
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Re: 6N 2016: Scotland v England, 6 February
beshocked wrote:Geordiefalcon England haven't been very good at developing world class players or inspirational leaders - is it that surprising that we arguably have none?
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Personally I think Hartley, Haskell and Farrell are the key men. The selections most under scrutiny. If they all play well then I can't see England losing.
I think Brown is a great warrior but I think sometimes he lacks vision and some of the management skills you need from a 15. Particularly poor vs Australia IMO. He's done more good than bad though.
Probably think the player which would be worst to lose early on is Billy.
Was IMO England's best player in the 6 nations last season (look at the stats and you'll see what I mean). Great RWC - big blow to England when he went off injured.
There's also no like for like replacement in the 23.
Under scrutiny for good reason. 2 are being played out of position and the other is a player who is a controversial choice of captain even if he was the best hooker England have at their disposal.
Haskell and Billy V will carry strong and hard all day long but I do feel this England pack might be a bit exposed at the breakdown.
I wonder if Ford and Farrell will mix up who is first receiver. It would be a very good way to keep the Scotland backline of balance and create room for the lethal English strike runners out wide.
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Re: 6N 2016: Scotland v England, 6 February
RDW_Scotland wrote:I really don't think the English will get much sympathy if they ever complain about injuries - there are more referees in England than players in Scotland!
Maybe so, but any team in the world would miss a world class front rower, because that was what he was becoming at the time of the last Lions' tour. We've got young and adequate to good replacements but I can't help but feel wistful for what Corbisiero was becoming/ threatening to become.
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Re: 6N 2016: Scotland v England, 6 February
aye - lose one of your top players and its hard to replace them, however at least you have replacements. I think Scotland and England have similar numbers of real class players, the issue is the quality of replacements. For Scotland its a huge step down in quality to the replacements ie 10. Ford / Russell - not a lot between them. Replacements Farrell / Weir - no contest who is the better player then go down another level we don't have another 10. Same with the centres and front row. We loose two props we are in big trouble.
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Re: 6N 2016: Scotland v England, 6 February
Cumbrian wrote:RDW_Scotland wrote:I really don't think the English will get much sympathy if they ever complain about injuries - there are more referees in England than players in Scotland!
Maybe so, but any team in the world would miss a world class front rower, because that was what he was becoming at the time of the last Lions' tour. We've got young and adequate to good replacements but I can't help but feel wistful for what Corbisiero was becoming/ threatening to become.
No doubting he's a top class player who would make a difference.
You could take that as far as you want though - Scotland lost a potential world class winger when Thom Evans had to retire with a broken neck. We've also lost Ross Rennie and Jo Ansbro - players who were destined to be regular internationalists for several more years yet.
Add in the continual struggles of Alex Dunbar and Grant Gilchrist and we're certainly not immune to injury grievances either!
Given our lack of depth our missing players are even more keenly felt.
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Re: 6N 2016: Scotland v England, 6 February
Oh I agree, what happened to Thom Evans in particular was a tragedy (from a sporting point of view). I also know that we're better equipped to ride injuries than most. I suppose the point I am trying to make is in Corbisiero's particular case we've (and I mean rugby in general) lost somebody who could have gone on to be remembered as one of the very best.
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Re: 6N 2016: Scotland v England, 6 February
madmaccas wrote:
That famous Dylan Harley charm at work.
looks like he just let one loose - hope he does the same in the 1st scrum
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Re: 6N 2016: Scotland v England, 6 February
GeordieFalcon wrote:Do you know Ruby at this moment in time I really don't think we have a talisman that cant be replaced.
Maybe that reflects that we don't have any "world Class" players...or inspirational leaders.
But there are a few kids coming through who will get gametime this 6n and "could" become that.
Best answer I've seen on here for a long time, lets hope a couple develop and break through over the next 18 months.
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Re: 6N 2016: Scotland v England, 6 February
RuggerRadge2611 wrote:GeordieFalcon wrote:Cumbrian wrote:RuggerRadge2611 wrote:RubyGuby wrote:Who do you think is Geordie? Who would send your heart rate plummeting if he was injured etc. I'm thinking JJ but you might prove me wrong. I'm just interested. AWJ remains vital for us as he for me is the talisman that holds it together.
From an outsider I actually think Robshaw and Brown are England's most important players. Robshaw is IMO one of the best loose forwards in the NH. A huge engine, who smacks into rucks with reckless courage and I personally think he should be captain.
Brown is also very important. He epitomizes the English smugness that Guscott and Carling oozed in the 90s. He's also a fantastic broken field runner, great under the high ball and a fearless tackler. He also has that niggley edge that I hate but England fans must love.
You think he's smug? Never considered him that, a bit fighty/chippy maybe but not particularly smug.
Yeah agree..i'd hardly call him Smug.
Just my opinion lads.
He's a player I dislike though so that must mean he does something right!
That poses an interesting question: top 5 "smug" English rugby personalities.
1. Will "Is Harry mine" Carling
2. Sir Clive "I'm still right about the Lions" Woodward
3. Jezza "Richie Gray will never make it in international rugby" Guscott
4. Brian "Have I mentioned that I don't like the French" Moore
5. Austin "Never the best in any position" Healy
That's my dinner party from Hell right there.
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Re: 6N 2016: Scotland v England, 6 February
Smugness is largely in the eye of the beholder
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Re: 6N 2016: Scotland v England, 6 February
Barney McGrew did it wrote:madmaccas wrote:
That famous Dylan Harley charm at work.
looks like he just let one loose - hope he does the same in the 1st scrum
As long as he can direct it forward.
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Poor Billy.Barney McGrew did it wrote:madmaccas wrote:
That famous Dylan Harley charm at work.
looks like he just let one loose - hope he does the same in the 1st scrum
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Re: 6N 2016: Scotland v England, 6 February
funnyExiledScot wrote:RuggerRadge2611 wrote:GeordieFalcon wrote:Cumbrian wrote:RuggerRadge2611 wrote:RubyGuby wrote:Who do you think is Geordie? Who would send your heart rate plummeting if he was injured etc. I'm thinking JJ but you might prove me wrong. I'm just interested. AWJ remains vital for us as he for me is the talisman that holds it together.
From an outsider I actually think Robshaw and Brown are England's most important players. Robshaw is IMO one of the best loose forwards in the NH. A huge engine, who smacks into rucks with reckless courage and I personally think he should be captain.
Brown is also very important. He epitomizes the English smugness that Guscott and Carling oozed in the 90s. He's also a fantastic broken field runner, great under the high ball and a fearless tackler. He also has that niggley edge that I hate but England fans must love.
You think he's smug? Never considered him that, a bit fighty/chippy maybe but not particularly smug.
Yeah agree..i'd hardly call him Smug.
Just my opinion lads.
He's a player I dislike though so that must mean he does something right!
That poses an interesting question: top 5 "smug" English rugby personalities.
1. Will "Is Harry mine" Carling
2. Sir Clive "I'm still right about the Lions" Woodward
3. Jezza "Richie Gray will never make it in international rugby" Guscott
4. Brian "Have I mentioned that I don't like the French" Moore
5. Austin "Never the best in any position" Healy
That's my dinner party from Hell right there.
Blantantly not when you see james Hewit!
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Re: 6N 2016: Scotland v England, 6 February
You need to take Moore out of that. A one eyed England fan when he started and he hated the scots - these days IMO one of the best
And can I juste mention Andy " I don't understand the rules" Nichol
And can I juste mention Andy " I don't understand the rules" Nichol
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Re: 6N 2016: Scotland v England, 6 February
Scotland duo Adam Ashe and Alex Dunbar have returned to their club, Glasgow Warriors, having been ruled out of the first part of the RBS 6 Nations Championship through injury.
A scan at BMI Ross Hall Hospital confirmed that the posterior thigh strain sustained by centre Dunbar in his club’s 22-5 win over Racing 92 on Saturday will keep him sidelined for the coming weeks.
Further assessment on the shoulder injury sustained by Adam Ashe in his club’s Champions Cup match loss to Northampton Saints a fortnight ago (19-15) also confirmed the back-row will be unavailable for selection for the coming weeks.
The pair will continue their recovery and ongoing assessment under the care of the Glasgow Warriors medical team.
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Re: 6N 2016: Scotland v England, 6 February
Let's not forget John 'I banged Sue Barker' Inverdale.TJ wrote:You need to take Moore out of that. A one eyed England fan when he started and he hated the scots - these days IMO one of the best
And can I juste mention Andy " I don't understand the rules" Nichol
I would be happy to fire his matted white chest hair and standard condescending ladywater about Scotland having a limited pool of players out of a cannon.
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