What next for Hayemaker?

by themadworldofjb Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:52 pm

First topic message reminder :

With the WBA title seemingly out of Haye's grasp, who do we think he'll face next?

by shenglong2015 Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:03 pm

DAVE667 wrote:
hazharrison wrote:
shenglong2015 wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
shenglong2015 wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:If Mayweather and Manny are allowed to "grow" into the WW/LM division after starting out as scrawny little f*cks why is Haye not allowed to grow into a genuine HW? As you get older you generally tend to get bigger, heavier etc (ask TRUSS, he's a big ol' fatty!). When did people stop calling Holyfield a "blown-up CW?

I'm bigger now than five years ago and it's not due to weight training or supplements. My diet's stayed pretty much the same too so what's the reason for it.

Your head has got bigger
That's what your wife/girlfriend says, well I think she does, she's hard to understand with her mouth full

Boyfriend actually, and I'm glad you enjoyed him

Ha!
It was the large breasts that fooled me, still when you've been married as long as me, you'll be grateful for anything

When you see who your married to you'd be grateful also

by EX7EY Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:03 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:That punch coming from Cunningham would not have dropped a guy with a solid chin.

Why?

by hazharrison Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:05 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:That punch coming from Cunningham would not have dropped a guy with a solid chin.

Well, it did. Weird huh? Unless Fury dived? Or you've been punched on the button by Cunningham and you KNOW, personally, it couldn't have dropped Fury?

I'm going to go all Truss here: look at Nunn vs Kalambay. Even a supposed non-puncher can drop fighters if they land perfectly.

by Guest Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:06 pm

shenglong2015 wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
hazharrison wrote:
shenglong2015 wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
shenglong2015 wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:If Mayweather and Manny are allowed to "grow" into the WW/LM division after starting out as scrawny little f*cks why is Haye not allowed to grow into a genuine HW? As you get older you generally tend to get bigger, heavier etc (ask TRUSS, he's a big ol' fatty!). When did people stop calling Holyfield a "blown-up CW?

I'm bigger now than five years ago and it's not due to weight training or supplements. My diet's stayed pretty much the same too so what's the reason for it.

Your head has got bigger
That's what your wife/girlfriend says, well I think she does, she's hard to understand with her mouth full

Boyfriend actually, and I'm glad you enjoyed him

Ha!
It was the large breasts that fooled me, still when you've been married as long as me, you'll be grateful for anything

When you see who your married to you'd be grateful also

I'm always grateful

by EX7EY Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:07 pm

hazharrison wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:That punch coming from Cunningham would not have dropped a guy with a solid chin.

Well, it did. Weird huh? Unless Fury dived? Or you've been punched on the button by Cunningham and you KNOW it couldn't have dropped Fury?

I'm going to go all Truss here: look at Nunn vs Kalambay. Even a supposed non-puncher can drop fighters if they land perfectly.

This is what makes me laugh about some boxing fans. Talking about things in such a matter of fact way. Theres nothing matter of fact about getting smashed in the face for a living. Theres a lot of factors that lead to getting knocked out/put down by a punch and not ALL of it is power.

by hazharrison Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:08 pm

EX7EY wrote:
hazharrison wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:That punch coming from Cunningham would not have dropped a guy with a solid chin.

Well, it did. Weird huh? Unless Fury dived? Or you've been punched on the button by Cunningham and you KNOW it couldn't have dropped Fury?

I'm going to go all Truss here: look at Nunn vs Kalambay. Even a supposed non-puncher can drop fighters if they land perfectly.

This is what makes me laugh about some boxing fans. Talking about things in such a matter of fact way. Theres nothing matter of fact about getting smashed in the face for a living. Theres a lot of factors that lead to getting knocked out/put down by a punch and not ALL of it is power.

I'm not sure he's a fan. I've never seen him post anything positive on here.

by Hammersmith harrier Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:09 pm

hazharrison wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:That punch coming from Cunningham would not have dropped a guy with a solid chin.

Well, it did. Weird huh? Unless Fury dived? Or you've been punched on the button by Cunningham and you KNOW it couldn't have dropped Fury?

I'm going to go all Truss here: look at Nunn vs Kalambay. Even a supposed non-puncher can drop fighters if they land perfectly.

It didn't it dropped Fury somebody who was shown against the feather fisted Pajkic to not have a particularly good chin.

So you've been punched by him and know it would drop someone with a good chin then do you Haz?

by hazharrison Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:13 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
hazharrison wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:That punch coming from Cunningham would not have dropped a guy with a solid chin.

Well, it did. Weird huh? Unless Fury dived? Or you've been punched on the button by Cunningham and you KNOW it couldn't have dropped Fury?

I'm going to go all Truss here: look at Nunn vs Kalambay. Even a supposed non-puncher can drop fighters if they land perfectly.

It didn't it dropped Fury somebody who was shown against the feather fisted Pajkic to not have a particularly good chin.

So you've been punched by him and know it would drop someone with a good chin then do you Haz?

If a heavyweight gives another heavyweight a free shot (which was tantamount to how Fury was boxing prior to Peter Fury) they'll be hurt, wobbled, dropped etc. Fury has a good chin - not concrete - but decent, as evidenced throughout his pro career. If he had a poor chin he'd have been knocked out against Chisora, Firtha, Pajkic and Cunningham.

by EX7EY Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:14 pm

I cant be bothered arguing about chins and which punches would and wouldnt put others down. It really is all conjecture and I dont deal in it.

He might not have an absolutely granite chin but boxing isnt just all about that. If it was the big sluggers would dominate the sport and I dont beleive that to be the case.

by Guest Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:21 pm

EX7EY wrote:Some people have got heads wedged firmly up Hayes rear end. Shows how good he is at talking.

Haye wouldnt get anywhere near Fury for 12 rounds. It would be Klitschko all over again for Haye but even more so this time.

It wasnt visible in his come back 'fight' but the man will have undoubtedly slowed down now and Fury can move for 12 rounds and hes a big guy. He was clearly bigger than WK on fight night despite the endless comments on here that there was no difference.

I don't think some people on here actually watch boxing. Just talk a lot of boxing, much like a lot of my close friends that constantly tell me both Haye and AJ would demolish Fury. No wonder people like Eddie Hearn can make so much money. Boxing fans are so easily sold to despite evidence to the contrary right before their very eyes.

Did someone really try and use Hayes win over Enzo to back up their statements on here or did i misread?!

EX7EY wrote:It really is all conjecture and I dont deal in it.

Really, isn't it conjecture that Haye's slowed if it wasn't visible?

by EX7EY Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:23 pm

DAVE667 wrote:
EX7EY wrote:Some people have got heads wedged firmly up Hayes rear end. Shows how good he is at talking.

Haye wouldnt get anywhere near Fury for 12 rounds. It would be Klitschko all over again for Haye but even more so this time.

It wasnt visible in his come back 'fight' but the man will have undoubtedly slowed down now and Fury can move for 12 rounds and hes a big guy. He was clearly bigger than WK on fight night despite the endless comments on here that there was no difference.

I don't think some people on here actually watch boxing. Just talk a lot of boxing, much like a lot of my close friends that constantly tell me both Haye and AJ would demolish Fury. No wonder people like Eddie Hearn can make so much money. Boxing fans are so easily sold to despite evidence to the contrary right before their very eyes.

Did someone really try and use Hayes win over Enzo to back up their statements on here or did i misread?!
EX7EY wrote:It really is all conjecture and I dont deal in it.
Really, isn't it conjecture that Haye's slowed if it wasn't visible?

Touche.

I believe Haye will have slowed down, especially carrying all the extra weight if thats how he intends to enter the ring going forward.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:39 pm

hazharrison wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
hazharrison wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:That punch coming from Cunningham would not have dropped a guy with a solid chin.

Well, it did. Weird huh? Unless Fury dived? Or you've been punched on the button by Cunningham and you KNOW it couldn't have dropped Fury?

I'm going to go all Truss here: look at Nunn vs Kalambay. Even a supposed non-puncher can drop fighters if they land perfectly.

It didn't it dropped Fury somebody who was shown against the feather fisted Pajkic to not have a particularly good chin.

So you've been punched by him and know it would drop someone with a good chin then do you Haz?

If a heavyweight gives another heavyweight a free shot (which was tantamount to how Fury was boxing prior to Peter Fury) they'll be hurt, wobbled, dropped etc. Fury has a good chin - not concrete - but decent, as evidenced throughout his pro career. If he had a poor chin he'd have been knocked out against Chisora, Firtha, Pajkic and Cunningham.

Garbage...Spinks landed flush on Larry's chin enough and couldn't move him...Larry didn't have a great chin..

Tansted hit the deck though..

Stop being so sensitive about your new hero..

by armchairwarrior Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:41 pm

If you do down from a punch and get up and win then fair play - surely. Easy to say shouldn't have got hit and gone down in the first place but that's boxing ffs! Joe Calzaghe did several times. No one's saying he had a weak chin.

Fury was actually hit by Klitschko a few times and took it well enough and he would be the biggest puncher he's faced. Some people don't seem to register that.

Fury wasn't v disciplined against a number of fighters earlier in his career. He has said this, and it stacks up in context with what he achieved in Germany. It says something that he still won in earluer fights without being really focused - bit flabby etc..

I think Furys ability has only really come to the fore since Chisora 2

Apologies - realised this is a Haye thread??

by AdamT Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:54 pm

Two training camps is one too many. You can forgive a fighter once, but not twice. Haye didn't fancy it. He didn't like Fury's confidence and Haye likes to run from big men.

Now that Fury has the ranking and Is the man, Haye is begging for a pay day. I wouldn't risk another camp either. Haye might break his fingernail next.

by armchairwarrior Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:04 pm

Adam, I suspect subconsciously Haye was nervous about losing to Fury because it would have been major major ego death and possibly career ending. Losing to Klitschko is one thing, Fury..no way! Also at the time in 2013 Fury was a considered fairly mediocre fighter albeit game and strong willed by many.

I really think Haye messed his shoulder up by going into overdrive training and sparing because of this worry in case he lost which translated into a burning desire to knock Fury out v quickly. I don't think he "deliberately" damaged his shoulder and subsequent inactivity for over 2 years to get out of the fight.

by AdamT Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:07 pm

I agree he hurt his shoulder. But I do think you have a point. His ego couldn't of took being beaten by Fury at that stage. If be loses now, he has the excuse of inactivity.

by armchairwarrior Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:15 pm

Absolutely Adam. If Fury wins a rematch against Klitschko and having watched it again, I still think he could and then wins against Wilder then Haye would undoubtedly be the underdog going in - Hayes lost against Klitschko, and any fighter Haye faces over the next year is unlikely to be better than Klitschko or Wilder (even if some think Wilder is not great he's still a champ)

Haye would be in good company if he lost to Fury under those circumstances LOL!

by AdamT Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:22 pm

Good post. I'm not a Haye hater. I think he beats the majority of heavies. I just think Fury has his number.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:27 pm

armchairwarrior wrote:If you do down from a punch and get up and win then fair play - surely. Easy to say shouldn't have got hit and gone down in the first place but that's boxing ffs! Joe Calzaghe did several times. No one's saying he had a weak chin.

Fury was actually hit by Klitschko a few times and took it well enough and he would be the biggest puncher he's faced. Some people don't seem to register that.

Fury wasn't v disciplined against a number of fighters earlier in his career. He has said this, and it stacks up in context with what he achieved in Germany. It says something that he still won in earluer fights without being really focused - bit flabby etc..

I think Furys ability has only really come to the fore since Chisora 2

Apologies - realised this is a Haye thread??

Hearns got hit plenty off Hagler who was a bigger puncher than Kinchen..

Wlad didn't catch him like Cunningham did..

So your point is irrelevant. .

by Adam D Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:47 pm

armchairwarrior wrote:Adam, I suspect subconsciously Haye was nervous about losing to Fury because it would have been major major ego death and possibly career ending. Losing to Klitschko is one thing, Fury..no way! Also at the time in 2013 Fury was a considered fairly mediocre fighter albeit game and strong willed by many.

I really think Haye messed his shoulder up by going into overdrive training and sparing because of this worry in case he lost which translated into a burning desire to knock Fury out v quickly. I don't think he "deliberately" damaged his shoulder and subsequent inactivity for over 2 years to get out of the fight.

He still was considered this way the day before the Wlad fight.

by armchairwarrior Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:08 pm

Indeed!..I think all the current heavies would rather lose to each other than Fury. Klitschko must have been inconsolable especially after Furys subsequent media blunders lol!...v embarrassing. Klitschko will give the rematch everything as I suspect he doesn't have a lot of time for Fury as a person and to go out on his career like that won't be good

Never mind hes 45, perhaps Vitali is secretly training in the event his brother loses (he might!) to avenge the family honour and try and push it with Fury to fight him next...not the first time he's done that and the money would certainly make sense!

by hazharrison Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:04 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
hazharrison wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
hazharrison wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:That punch coming from Cunningham would not have dropped a guy with a solid chin.

Well, it did. Weird huh? Unless Fury dived? Or you've been punched on the button by Cunningham and you KNOW it couldn't have dropped Fury?

I'm going to go all Truss here: look at Nunn vs Kalambay. Even a supposed non-puncher can drop fighters if they land perfectly.

It didn't it dropped Fury somebody who was shown against the feather fisted Pajkic to not have a particularly good chin.

So you've been punched by him and know it would drop someone with a good chin then do you Haz?

If a heavyweight gives another heavyweight a free shot (which was tantamount to how Fury was boxing prior to Peter Fury) they'll be hurt, wobbled, dropped etc. Fury has a good chin - not concrete - but decent, as evidenced throughout his pro career. If he had a poor chin he'd have been knocked out against Chisora, Firtha, Pajkic and Cunningham.

Garbage...Spinks landed flush on Larry's chin enough and couldn't move him...Larry didn't have a great chin..

Tansted hit the deck though..

Stop being so sensitive about your new hero..

Absolute crank of the highest order. If one heavyweight boxes as raggedly as Fury was back then, thereby allowing their opponent an open target, nine times out of ten they'll end up hurt, wobbled or flattened (unless they're Oli McCall or Geordie Chuvalo).

I'm not sure what the Spinks-Holmes reference is intended to mean? Holmes certainly didn't box as openly as Fury was a few years back (when he used to turn up out of shape, stand square on and wing punches aimlessly). He couldn't have boxed that poorly if he'd tried.

by milkyboy Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:33 am

hazharrison wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
hazharrison wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
hazharrison wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:That punch coming from Cunningham would not have dropped a guy with a solid chin.

Well, it did. Weird huh? Unless Fury dived? Or you've been punched on the button by Cunningham and you KNOW it couldn't have dropped Fury?

I'm going to go all Truss here: look at Nunn vs Kalambay. Even a supposed non-puncher can drop fighters if they land perfectly.

It didn't it dropped Fury somebody who was shown against the feather fisted Pajkic to not have a particularly good chin.

So you've been punched by him and know it would drop someone with a good chin then do you Haz?

If a heavyweight gives another heavyweight a free shot (which was tantamount to how Fury was boxing prior to Peter Fury) they'll be hurt, wobbled, dropped etc. Fury has a good chin - not concrete - but decent, as evidenced throughout his pro career. If he had a poor chin he'd have been knocked out against Chisora, Firtha, Pajkic and Cunningham.

Garbage...Spinks landed flush on Larry's chin enough and couldn't move him...Larry didn't have a great chin..

Tansted hit the deck though..

Stop being so sensitive about your new hero..

Absolute crank of the highest order. If one heavyweight boxes as raggedly as Fury was back then, thereby allowing their opponent an open target, nine times out of ten they'll end up hurt, wobbled or flattened (unless they're Oli McCall or Geordie Chuvalo).

I'm not sure what the Spinks-Holmes reference is intended to mean? Holmes certainly didn't box as openly as Fury was a few years back (when he used to turn up out of shape, stand square on and wing punches aimlessly). He couldn't have boxed that poorly if he'd tried.

Saw an interview with Chuvalo recently. When asked about his chin he said. 'I'm f*cking well 'ard me. Hadaway and sh*te man!"

by hazharrison Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:36 am

milkyboy wrote:
hazharrison wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
hazharrison wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
hazharrison wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:That punch coming from Cunningham would not have dropped a guy with a solid chin.

Well, it did. Weird huh? Unless Fury dived? Or you've been punched on the button by Cunningham and you KNOW it couldn't have dropped Fury?

I'm going to go all Truss here: look at Nunn vs Kalambay. Even a supposed non-puncher can drop fighters if they land perfectly.

It didn't it dropped Fury somebody who was shown against the feather fisted Pajkic to not have a particularly good chin.

So you've been punched by him and know it would drop someone with a good chin then do you Haz?

If a heavyweight gives another heavyweight a free shot (which was tantamount to how Fury was boxing prior to Peter Fury) they'll be hurt, wobbled, dropped etc. Fury has a good chin - not concrete - but decent, as evidenced throughout his pro career. If he had a poor chin he'd have been knocked out against Chisora, Firtha, Pajkic and Cunningham.

Garbage...Spinks landed flush on Larry's chin enough and couldn't move him...Larry didn't have a great chin..

Tansted hit the deck though..

Stop being so sensitive about your new hero..

Absolute crank of the highest order. If one heavyweight boxes as raggedly as Fury was back then, thereby allowing their opponent an open target, nine times out of ten they'll end up hurt, wobbled or flattened (unless they're Oli McCall or Geordie Chuvalo).

I'm not sure what the Spinks-Holmes reference is intended to mean? Holmes certainly didn't box as openly as Fury was a few years back (when he used to turn up out of shape, stand square on and wing punches aimlessly). He couldn't have boxed that poorly if he'd tried.

Saw an interview with Chuvalo recently. When asked about his chin he said. 'I'm f*cking well 'ard me. Hadaway and sh*te man!"

It was obvious he was a Geordie.

by Guest Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:37 am

Trained on bottles of Newcastle Brown and could be seen most weekends at St James' Park with his shirt off irrespective of the weather

by hazharrison Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:42 am

Obviously he wears a fat suit to stay incognito...

by Guest Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:44 am

Much like TRUSS

by hazharrison Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:45 am

Truss also posts gibberish to hide his intelligence.

by Guest Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:47 am

Most of us are guilty of that though

by milkyboy Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:49 am

you hide yours better than most Dave

by Guest Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:49 am

Cheers thicko

by milkyboy Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:52 am

I have no intelligence to hide

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:53 am

It's impossible to hide my intelligence...

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by Guest Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:54 am

That's not intelligence that's gushing out TRUSS

by milkyboy Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:54 am

Some orrifices more than others

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