What next for Hayemaker?

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With the WBA title seemingly out of Haye's grasp, who do we think he'll face next?

shenglong2015 wrote:

Haye just fights nobodies, and when he steps up he gets found out.

I understand that he's not everyone's cup of tea, but statements like this don't help your arguement- he blew out against Thompson, having dominated him until he gassed, and then was comfortably out pointed, but not given a hiding by Klitchko, but other than that he has consistently been a comfortable winner, and his performances against Valuev, Ruiz, Mormeck & Chisora have been as good or better than anyone else's. His record is comparable to any of his current peers except Klitchko, it's not like any of their records are packed with quality names is it?

horizontalhero wrote:

shenglong2015 wrote:

Haye just fights nobodies, and when he steps up he gets found out.

I understand that he's not everyone's cup of tea, but statements like this don't help your arguement- he blew out against Thompson, having dominated him until he gassed, and then was comfortably out pointed, but not given a hiding by Klitchko, but other than that he has consistently been a comfortable winner, and his performances against Valuev, Ruiz, Mormeck & Chisora have been as good or better than anyone else's. His record is comparable to any of his current peers except Klitchko, it's not like any of their records are packed with quality names is it?

I guess it depends what you class as stepping up? At heavyweight (where he's fought only seven times in seven years) he's beaten a couple of top ten ranked opponents and then was found out against Klitschko.

He was a far more formidable cruiserweight (where he rose to the occasion against Mormeck and Enzo).

Agreed, though, on his peers. As Fury (the big husky, attractive fella) said himself: "Who've I actually fought?"

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Adam D wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Fury  - Retired at least three times already...and come back..

Fury vs Chisora 1 -  "I'd fight for the British title for free Derek...It's all about legacy and titles"

Fury v Haye - "I'm not interested in titles it's all about money this business....

Fury - Apologises to Lennox Lewis for insulting him saying he didn't mean any of the things he said..

Fury - Apologises to Wlad...saying he didn't mean any of the things he said...

Apologies to homosexuals everywhere saying he didn't mean to offend "It's all fun and games".....

Plenty more where that comes from...

A real man of his word.....Tyson Fury.

Ignoring all of the above, he did put his career on hold for 12 months whilst waiting for Haye to man up.

No wonder he doesnt want to give him another shot.

Utlimately, it most probably all worked in Furys favour but now he holds the cards.

Fury decided against a fight with Pulev with the winner being granted mandatory status for Wlad in favour of taking his biggest ever payday against Haye.  Haye gets a cut and the fight's off. Fury, being all about legacy, decides the best thing to do for his career is sign up again to fight the guy instead of getting his career (and ultimately his legacy) back on track.  

Amazing how poor Fury "gets the runaround" yet Amir Khan is apparently like a jilted ex waiting for Floyd and Manny when their circumstances are strikingly similar.

Not really. Fury signed to fight - twice - and went through umpteen training camps (without being paid).

Khan has merely pined after Floyd and Manny from afar.

Just two training camps, why would he do numerous camps for two fights?
Anyway both Khan and Fury could have told their respective paramours to b*gger off and fought someone else instead but they wanted the big cash. Like we say, had Fury fought Haye, he'd have been annihilated and nowhere near the HW title picture, so maybe he should get on his knees and thank him instead.

Like who says? I don't think Haye would have annihilated Fury. He barely landed a shot on Valuev and Klitschko (two similar sized, less mobile heavyweights).

Fury set up various camps (in England and Belgium) and lost a lot of money (as did fans who'd forked out on accommodation etc.). Haye's pulled out of various fights now (Klitschko, Charr, Fury twice) - he has form.

This sad old sh!t gets trawled out every single time as "proof". Setanta were going bust, Haye wasn't going to get paid and he cited injury as a legitimate reason to cancel the fight. No-one who knows anything about it begrudged him that. No-one mentions Wlad's mysterious rib injury that forced him to cancel the Chisora fight but saw him playing golf a week after it was announced along with his calf "injury" in the run up to the Fury fight.

As for landing on Valuev he broke his hand in the third round and wouldn't risk it til the 12th when he nearly had him out of there. If little Steve Cunningham could put Fury over, chances are Haye turns his lights out.

Three belt cruiser champ...WBA heavy..

Wonder who will be higher in any all time list...

Fury or Haye ??..ooh it's a difficult one !!

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Adam D wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Fury  - Retired at least three times already...and come back..

Fury vs Chisora 1 -  "I'd fight for the British title for free Derek...It's all about legacy and titles"

Fury v Haye - "I'm not interested in titles it's all about money this business....

Fury - Apologises to Lennox Lewis for insulting him saying he didn't mean any of the things he said..

Fury - Apologises to Wlad...saying he didn't mean any of the things he said...

Apologies to homosexuals everywhere saying he didn't mean to offend "It's all fun and games".....

Plenty more where that comes from...

A real man of his word.....Tyson Fury.

Ignoring all of the above, he did put his career on hold for 12 months whilst waiting for Haye to man up.

No wonder he doesnt want to give him another shot.

Utlimately, it most probably all worked in Furys favour but now he holds the cards.

Fury decided against a fight with Pulev with the winner being granted mandatory status for Wlad in favour of taking his biggest ever payday against Haye.  Haye gets a cut and the fight's off. Fury, being all about legacy, decides the best thing to do for his career is sign up again to fight the guy instead of getting his career (and ultimately his legacy) back on track.  

Amazing how poor Fury "gets the runaround" yet Amir Khan is apparently like a jilted ex waiting for Floyd and Manny when their circumstances are strikingly similar.

Not really. Fury signed to fight - twice - and went through umpteen training camps (without being paid).

Khan has merely pined after Floyd and Manny from afar.

Just two training camps, why would he do numerous camps for two fights?
Anyway both Khan and Fury could have told their respective paramours to b*gger off and fought someone else instead but they wanted the big cash. Like we say, had Fury fought Haye, he'd have been annihilated and nowhere near the HW title picture, so maybe he should get on his knees and thank him instead.

Like who says? I don't think Haye would have annihilated Fury. He barely landed a shot on Valuev and Klitschko (two similar sized, less mobile heavyweights).

Fury set up various camps (in England and Belgium) and lost a lot of money (as did fans who'd forked out on accommodation etc.). Haye's pulled out of various fights now (Klitschko, Charr, Fury twice) - he has form.

This sad old sh!t gets trawled out every single time as "proof". Setanta were going bust, Haye wasn't going to get paid and he cited injury as a legitimate reason to cancel the fight. No-one who knows anything about it begrudged him that. No-one mentions Wlad's mysterious rib injury that forced him to cancel the Chisora fight but saw him playing golf a week after it was announced along with his calf "injury" in the run up to the Fury fight.

As for landing on Valuev he broke his hand in the third round and wouldn't risk it til the 12th when he nearly had him out of there. If little Steve Cunningham could put Fury over, chances are Haye turns his lights out.

You forgot to mention his toe against Klitschko....

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Three belt cruiser champ...WBA heavy..

Wonder who will be higher in any all time list...

Fury or Haye ??..ooh it's a difficult one !!

At heavyweight? Fury at present.

DAVE667 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

Adam D wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Fury  - Retired at least three times already...and come back..

Fury vs Chisora 1 -  "I'd fight for the British title for free Derek...It's all about legacy and titles"

Fury v Haye - "I'm not interested in titles it's all about money this business....

Fury - Apologises to Lennox Lewis for insulting him saying he didn't mean any of the things he said..

Fury - Apologises to Wlad...saying he didn't mean any of the things he said...

Apologies to homosexuals everywhere saying he didn't mean to offend "It's all fun and games".....

Plenty more where that comes from...

A real man of his word.....Tyson Fury.

Ignoring all of the above, he did put his career on hold for 12 months whilst waiting for Haye to man up.

No wonder he doesnt want to give him another shot.

Utlimately, it most probably all worked in Furys favour but now he holds the cards.

Fury decided against a fight with Pulev with the winner being granted mandatory status for Wlad in favour of taking his biggest ever payday against Haye.  Haye gets a cut and the fight's off. Fury, being all about legacy, decides the best thing to do for his career is sign up again to fight the guy instead of getting his career (and ultimately his legacy) back on track.  

Amazing how poor Fury "gets the runaround" yet Amir Khan is apparently like a jilted ex waiting for Floyd and Manny when their circumstances are strikingly similar.

Not really. Fury signed to fight - twice - and went through umpteen training camps (without being paid).

Khan has merely pined after Floyd and Manny from afar.

Just two training camps, why would he do numerous camps for two fights?
Anyway both Khan and Fury could have told their respective paramours to b*gger off and fought someone else instead but they wanted the big cash. Like we say, had Fury fought Haye, he'd have been annihilated and nowhere near the HW title picture, so maybe he should get on his knees and thank him instead.

Like who says? I don't think Haye would have annihilated Fury. He barely landed a shot on Valuev and Klitschko (two similar sized, less mobile heavyweights).

Fury set up various camps (in England and Belgium) and lost a lot of money (as did fans who'd forked out on accommodation etc.). Haye's pulled out of various fights now (Klitschko, Charr, Fury twice) - he has form.

This sad old sh!t gets trawled out every single time as "proof". Setanta were going bust, Haye wasn't going to get paid and he cited injury as a legitimate reason to cancel the fight. No-one who knows anything about it begrudged him that. No-one mentions Wlad's mysterious rib injury that forced him to cancel the Chisora fight but saw him playing golf a week after it was announced along with his calf "injury" in the run up to the Fury fight.

As for landing on Valuev he broke his hand in the third round and wouldn't risk it til the 12th when he nearly had him out of there. If little Steve Cunningham could put Fury over, chances are Haye turns his lights out.

If no-one held the Setanta situation against him why did he lie about it?

In lying about it, he probably comes over as disingenuous every time he cries off from a fight.

Don't think Fury wants to fight Haye at all..no posturing..he doesn't want to.

It wasn't technically Hayes "fault" that he got injured twice when preparing for Fury but I do believe it was the fault of his trainer and team. Haye has gone on record recently saying his body was breaking down prior to the second v serious injury and reconstruction. He also sparred with 4 good heavyweights including Wilder, filming and making a real marketing meal out of it. I thought at the time it was too intense and unprofessional and it led to the injury....I bet Shane McGuigan wouldn't prepare a fighter in such a risky and over the top way...Sorry Adam, has to be said.

Fury has a rematch with Klitschko and then Wilder (which woud be a huge fight) if things go to plan ..all legit, all for titles and certainly big enough money....he doesn't actually need Haye atm or in the foreseeable at all regardless of how well Haye performs.

hazharrison wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

Adam D wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Fury  - Retired at least three times already...and come back..

Fury vs Chisora 1 -  "I'd fight for the British title for free Derek...It's all about legacy and titles"

Fury v Haye - "I'm not interested in titles it's all about money this business....

Fury - Apologises to Lennox Lewis for insulting him saying he didn't mean any of the things he said..

Fury - Apologises to Wlad...saying he didn't mean any of the things he said...

Apologies to homosexuals everywhere saying he didn't mean to offend "It's all fun and games".....

Plenty more where that comes from...

A real man of his word.....Tyson Fury.

Ignoring all of the above, he did put his career on hold for 12 months whilst waiting for Haye to man up.

No wonder he doesnt want to give him another shot.

Utlimately, it most probably all worked in Furys favour but now he holds the cards.

Fury decided against a fight with Pulev with the winner being granted mandatory status for Wlad in favour of taking his biggest ever payday against Haye.  Haye gets a cut and the fight's off. Fury, being all about legacy, decides the best thing to do for his career is sign up again to fight the guy instead of getting his career (and ultimately his legacy) back on track.  

Amazing how poor Fury "gets the runaround" yet Amir Khan is apparently like a jilted ex waiting for Floyd and Manny when their circumstances are strikingly similar.

Not really. Fury signed to fight - twice - and went through umpteen training camps (without being paid).

Khan has merely pined after Floyd and Manny from afar.

Just two training camps, why would he do numerous camps for two fights?
Anyway both Khan and Fury could have told their respective paramours to b*gger off and fought someone else instead but they wanted the big cash. Like we say, had Fury fought Haye, he'd have been annihilated and nowhere near the HW title picture, so maybe he should get on his knees and thank him instead.

Like who says? I don't think Haye would have annihilated Fury. He barely landed a shot on Valuev and Klitschko (two similar sized, less mobile heavyweights).

Fury set up various camps (in England and Belgium) and lost a lot of money (as did fans who'd forked out on accommodation etc.). Haye's pulled out of various fights now (Klitschko, Charr, Fury twice) - he has form.

This sad old sh!t gets trawled out every single time as "proof". Setanta were going bust, Haye wasn't going to get paid and he cited injury as a legitimate reason to cancel the fight. No-one who knows anything about it begrudged him that. No-one mentions Wlad's mysterious rib injury that forced him to cancel the Chisora fight but saw him playing golf a week after it was announced along with his calf "injury" in the run up to the Fury fight.

As for landing on Valuev he broke his hand in the third round and wouldn't risk it til the 12th when he nearly had him out of there. If little Steve Cunningham could put Fury over, chances are Haye turns his lights out.

You forgot to mention his toe against Klitschko....

Didn't forget, he went through with that.

hazharrison wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

Adam D wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Fury  - Retired at least three times already...and come back..

Fury vs Chisora 1 -  "I'd fight for the British title for free Derek...It's all about legacy and titles"

Fury v Haye - "I'm not interested in titles it's all about money this business....

Fury - Apologises to Lennox Lewis for insulting him saying he didn't mean any of the things he said..

Fury - Apologises to Wlad...saying he didn't mean any of the things he said...

Apologies to homosexuals everywhere saying he didn't mean to offend "It's all fun and games".....

Plenty more where that comes from...

A real man of his word.....Tyson Fury.

Ignoring all of the above, he did put his career on hold for 12 months whilst waiting for Haye to man up.

No wonder he doesnt want to give him another shot.

Utlimately, it most probably all worked in Furys favour but now he holds the cards.

Fury decided against a fight with Pulev with the winner being granted mandatory status for Wlad in favour of taking his biggest ever payday against Haye.  Haye gets a cut and the fight's off. Fury, being all about legacy, decides the best thing to do for his career is sign up again to fight the guy instead of getting his career (and ultimately his legacy) back on track.  

Amazing how poor Fury "gets the runaround" yet Amir Khan is apparently like a jilted ex waiting for Floyd and Manny when their circumstances are strikingly similar.

Not really. Fury signed to fight - twice - and went through umpteen training camps (without being paid).

Khan has merely pined after Floyd and Manny from afar.

Just two training camps, why would he do numerous camps for two fights?
Anyway both Khan and Fury could have told their respective paramours to b*gger off and fought someone else instead but they wanted the big cash. Like we say, had Fury fought Haye, he'd have been annihilated and nowhere near the HW title picture, so maybe he should get on his knees and thank him instead.

Like who says? I don't think Haye would have annihilated Fury. He barely landed a shot on Valuev and Klitschko (two similar sized, less mobile heavyweights).

Fury set up various camps (in England and Belgium) and lost a lot of money (as did fans who'd forked out on accommodation etc.). Haye's pulled out of various fights now (Klitschko, Charr, Fury twice) - he has form.

This sad old sh!t gets trawled out every single time as "proof". Setanta were going bust, Haye wasn't going to get paid and he cited injury as a legitimate reason to cancel the fight. No-one who knows anything about it begrudged him that. No-one mentions Wlad's mysterious rib injury that forced him to cancel the Chisora fight but saw him playing golf a week after it was announced along with his calf "injury" in the run up to the Fury fight.

As for landing on Valuev he broke his hand in the third round and wouldn't risk it til the 12th when he nearly had him out of there. If little Steve Cunningham could put Fury over, chances are Haye turns his lights out.

If no-one held the Setanta situation against him why did he lie about it?

In lying about it, he probably comes over as disingenuous every time he cries off from a fight.

To avoid being sued. You desire to disparage the man at every turn has you all fricked in the head when it comes to commonsense and logic about certain matters.

Haz loves or hates.....

Just look at the Oscar thread.............Oscar got gifts when he won close decisions and got hammered when he lost them....

He'll grow out of it..

DAVE667 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

Adam D wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Fury  - Retired at least three times already...and come back..

Fury vs Chisora 1 -  "I'd fight for the British title for free Derek...It's all about legacy and titles"

Fury v Haye - "I'm not interested in titles it's all about money this business....

Fury - Apologises to Lennox Lewis for insulting him saying he didn't mean any of the things he said..

Fury - Apologises to Wlad...saying he didn't mean any of the things he said...

Apologies to homosexuals everywhere saying he didn't mean to offend "It's all fun and games".....

Plenty more where that comes from...

A real man of his word.....Tyson Fury.

Ignoring all of the above, he did put his career on hold for 12 months whilst waiting for Haye to man up.

No wonder he doesnt want to give him another shot.

Utlimately, it most probably all worked in Furys favour but now he holds the cards.

Fury decided against a fight with Pulev with the winner being granted mandatory status for Wlad in favour of taking his biggest ever payday against Haye.  Haye gets a cut and the fight's off. Fury, being all about legacy, decides the best thing to do for his career is sign up again to fight the guy instead of getting his career (and ultimately his legacy) back on track.  

Amazing how poor Fury "gets the runaround" yet Amir Khan is apparently like a jilted ex waiting for Floyd and Manny when their circumstances are strikingly similar.

Not really. Fury signed to fight - twice - and went through umpteen training camps (without being paid).

Khan has merely pined after Floyd and Manny from afar.

Just two training camps, why would he do numerous camps for two fights?
Anyway both Khan and Fury could have told their respective paramours to b*gger off and fought someone else instead but they wanted the big cash. Like we say, had Fury fought Haye, he'd have been annihilated and nowhere near the HW title picture, so maybe he should get on his knees and thank him instead.

Like who says? I don't think Haye would have annihilated Fury. He barely landed a shot on Valuev and Klitschko (two similar sized, less mobile heavyweights).

Fury set up various camps (in England and Belgium) and lost a lot of money (as did fans who'd forked out on accommodation etc.). Haye's pulled out of various fights now (Klitschko, Charr, Fury twice) - he has form.

This sad old sh!t gets trawled out every single time as "proof". Setanta were going bust, Haye wasn't going to get paid and he cited injury as a legitimate reason to cancel the fight. No-one who knows anything about it begrudged him that. No-one mentions Wlad's mysterious rib injury that forced him to cancel the Chisora fight but saw him playing golf a week after it was announced along with his calf "injury" in the run up to the Fury fight.

As for landing on Valuev he broke his hand in the third round and wouldn't risk it til the 12th when he nearly had him out of there. If little Steve Cunningham could put Fury over, chances are Haye turns his lights out.

If no-one held the Setanta situation against him why did he lie about it?

In lying about it, he probably comes over as disingenuous every time he cries off from a fight.

To avoid being sued. You desire to disparage the man at every turn has you all fricked in the head when it comes to commonsense and logic about certain matters.

Sued by who? Klitschko? What's the difference in pulling out over Setanta and pulling out over a suspicious back injury?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Haz loves or hates.....

Just look at the Oscar thread.............Oscar got gifts when he won close decisions and got hammered when he lost them....

He'll grow out of it..

The amount of stuff you claim I've written on here compared to what I actually wrote is staggering. You'd make a great witness (for the defence team at least).

hazharrison wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

Adam D wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Fury  - Retired at least three times already...and come back..

Fury vs Chisora 1 -  "I'd fight for the British title for free Derek...It's all about legacy and titles"

Fury v Haye - "I'm not interested in titles it's all about money this business....

Fury - Apologises to Lennox Lewis for insulting him saying he didn't mean any of the things he said..

Fury - Apologises to Wlad...saying he didn't mean any of the things he said...

Apologies to homosexuals everywhere saying he didn't mean to offend "It's all fun and games".....

Plenty more where that comes from...

A real man of his word.....Tyson Fury.

Ignoring all of the above, he did put his career on hold for 12 months whilst waiting for Haye to man up.

No wonder he doesnt want to give him another shot.

Utlimately, it most probably all worked in Furys favour but now he holds the cards.

Fury decided against a fight with Pulev with the winner being granted mandatory status for Wlad in favour of taking his biggest ever payday against Haye.  Haye gets a cut and the fight's off. Fury, being all about legacy, decides the best thing to do for his career is sign up again to fight the guy instead of getting his career (and ultimately his legacy) back on track.  

Amazing how poor Fury "gets the runaround" yet Amir Khan is apparently like a jilted ex waiting for Floyd and Manny when their circumstances are strikingly similar.

Not really. Fury signed to fight - twice - and went through umpteen training camps (without being paid).

Khan has merely pined after Floyd and Manny from afar.

Just two training camps, why would he do numerous camps for two fights?
Anyway both Khan and Fury could have told their respective paramours to b*gger off and fought someone else instead but they wanted the big cash. Like we say, had Fury fought Haye, he'd have been annihilated and nowhere near the HW title picture, so maybe he should get on his knees and thank him instead.

Like who says? I don't think Haye would have annihilated Fury. He barely landed a shot on Valuev and Klitschko (two similar sized, less mobile heavyweights).

Fury set up various camps (in England and Belgium) and lost a lot of money (as did fans who'd forked out on accommodation etc.). Haye's pulled out of various fights now (Klitschko, Charr, Fury twice) - he has form.

This sad old sh!t gets trawled out every single time as "proof". Setanta were going bust, Haye wasn't going to get paid and he cited injury as a legitimate reason to cancel the fight. No-one who knows anything about it begrudged him that. No-one mentions Wlad's mysterious rib injury that forced him to cancel the Chisora fight but saw him playing golf a week after it was announced along with his calf "injury" in the run up to the Fury fight.

As for landing on Valuev he broke his hand in the third round and wouldn't risk it til the 12th when he nearly had him out of there. If little Steve Cunningham could put Fury over, chances are Haye turns his lights out.

If no-one held the Setanta situation against him why did he lie about it?

In lying about it, he probably comes over as disingenuous every time he cries off from a fight.

To avoid being sued. You desire to disparage the man at every turn has you all fricked in the head when it comes to commonsense and logic about certain matters.

Sued by who? Klitschko? What's the difference in pulling out over Setanta and pulling out over a suspicious back injury?

Having a injury backed up with medical evidence is a sure fire way of getting out of a contract without suffering financial penalties. had Haye said "Setanta are going to the wall I'm not fighting for nowt, I'm off", they'd have been in their rights to sue him even if what he said was true. With an "injury" he could legitimately walk away without incurring legal action. I'm staggered you don't know this or perhaps are being somewhat obtuse on purpose. Sadly, I fear it's the latter

Not written anything that isn't true.....Haz..

You love or hate......Editing articles if you hate somebody.......and if your name happens to be GGG or Fury believing every old s**t they come out with because you like them.....

My favorite is (10/1) Murray is a top win for GGG......".... "Mayweather v Manny isn't worth watching because Manny is 3/1......

But you do have some redeeming features......

Haye has done fantastic with his PR. Beating ENZO and Mormeck wouldn't make too many people an all time great cruiser.

Having the broken hand thing lined up to validate his cagey but successful victory over Valuev. After promising to chop the giant down his fans revelled in one punch that seemed to land as the guy tripped on his own ankle.

The staged rivalries against Chisora and Audley did huge numbers. Barrett and Ruiz great victories.

Haye is a fun guy, who has delivered some excitement as well as some let downs. But come on Fury is the undisputed Heavyweight champion. Haye never will be

The argument that Haye wasnt going to get paid for the Klitschko fight without Setanta is a load of waffle. He had a seperate exclusive 4 fight deal with Setanta but he would have got a standard fight contract same as any other chaleenger for fighting Klitchko. People pretend like he was going to get no money. What really happened was Setanta went bust and Haye said, you know what, I dont actually fancy this fight now for just a standard challenger contract. He pulled out and shafted anyone who had paid to see the fight so he could plot an easier route to a title. His heavyweight career has been an excuse riddled con. Now hes back, lets face it, because he either needs the money or he wants some more.

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DAVE667 wrote:

Adam D wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Fury  - Retired at least three times already...and come back..

Fury vs Chisora 1 -  "I'd fight for the British title for free Derek...It's all about legacy and titles"

Fury v Haye - "I'm not interested in titles it's all about money this business....

Fury - Apologises to Lennox Lewis for insulting him saying he didn't mean any of the things he said..

Fury - Apologises to Wlad...saying he didn't mean any of the things he said...

Apologies to homosexuals everywhere saying he didn't mean to offend "It's all fun and games".....

Plenty more where that comes from...

A real man of his word.....Tyson Fury.

Ignoring all of the above, he did put his career on hold for 12 months whilst waiting for Haye to man up.

No wonder he doesnt want to give him another shot.

Utlimately, it most probably all worked in Furys favour but now he holds the cards.

Fury decided against a fight with Pulev with the winner being granted mandatory status for Wlad in favour of taking his biggest ever payday against Haye.  Haye gets a cut and the fight's off. Fury, being all about legacy, decides the best thing to do for his career is sign up again to fight the guy instead of getting his career (and ultimately his legacy) back on track.  

Amazing how poor Fury "gets the runaround" yet Amir Khan is apparently like a jilted ex waiting for Floyd and Manny when their circumstances are strikingly similar.

Not really. Fury signed to fight - twice - and went through umpteen training camps (without being paid).

Khan has merely pined after Floyd and Manny from afar.

Just two training camps, why would he do numerous camps for two fights?
Anyway both Khan and Fury could have told their respective paramours to b*gger off and fought someone else instead but they wanted the big cash. Like we say, had Fury fought Haye, he'd have been annihilated and nowhere near the HW title picture, so maybe he should get on his knees and thank him instead.

Like who says? I don't think Haye would have annihilated Fury. He barely landed a shot on Valuev and Klitschko (two similar sized, less mobile heavyweights).

Fury set up various camps (in England and Belgium) and lost a lot of money (as did fans who'd forked out on accommodation etc.). Haye's pulled out of various fights now (Klitschko, Charr, Fury twice) - he has form.

This sad old sh!t gets trawled out every single time as "proof". Setanta were going bust, Haye wasn't going to get paid and he cited injury as a legitimate reason to cancel the fight. No-one who knows anything about it begrudged him that. No-one mentions Wlad's mysterious rib injury that forced him to cancel the Chisora fight but saw him playing golf a week after it was announced along with his calf "injury" in the run up to the Fury fight.

As for landing on Valuev he broke his hand in the third round and wouldn't risk it til the 12th when he nearly had him out of there. If little Steve Cunningham could put Fury over, chances are Haye turns his lights out.

If no-one held the Setanta situation against him why did he lie about it?

In lying about it, he probably comes over as disingenuous every time he cries off from a fight.

To avoid being sued. You desire to disparage the man at every turn has you all fricked in the head when it comes to commonsense and logic about certain matters.

Sued by who? Klitschko? What's the difference in pulling out over Setanta and pulling out over a suspicious back injury?

Having a injury backed up with medical evidence is a sure fire way of getting out of a contract without suffering financial penalties. had Haye said "Setanta are going to the wall I'm not fighting for nowt, I'm off", they'd have been in their rights to sue him even if what he said was true. With an "injury" he could legitimately walk away without incurring legal action. I'm staggered you don't know this or perhaps are being somewhat obtuse on purpose. Sadly, I fear it's the latter

Genuinely not on the wind up here - is this based on anything factual? I'd be interested to read a report that validates this.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not written anything that isn't true.....Haz..

You love or hate......Editing articles if you hate somebody.......and if your  name happens to be GGG or Fury believing every old s**t they come out with because you like them.....

My favorite is (10/1) Murray is a top win for GGG......".... "Mayweather v Manny isn't worth watching because Manny is 3/1......

But you do have some redeeming features......

Yes you have - all half bits and bulls hit.

I believe I said Murray was a good performance by Golovkin (and a good win over a solid opponent).

I also said Mayweather was a clear favourite (and so it wasn't the monumental challenge you and the other Floydettes were making out).

Is what based on anything factual? That Setanta were going bust and Haye cited a back injury so as not to fulfill his obligation to fight Wlad on Setanta when they were in grave danger of not being able to pay him? Worst kept secret in boxing surely.

or that by citing a medical condition (doesn't have to be genuine, just the doctor's note that says it is) you stand a better chance of getting out of a legally binding contract than just saying "sod it"?

DAVE667 wrote:Is what based on anything factual? That Setanta were going bust and Haye cited a back injury so as not to fulfill his obligation to fight Wlad on Setanta when they were in grave danger of not being able to pay him? Worst kept secret in boxing surely.

or that by citing a medical condition (doesn't have to be genuine, just the doctor's note that says it is) you stand a better chance of getting out of a legally binding contract than just saying "sod it"?

The latter. Surely a company going under and not being able to pay the fighter was adequate grounds to postpone the fight? Who knows, Klitschko may have given him an extension (rather than moving on without him)?

Tickets for haye's next fight go on pre sale tomorrow, full sale Friday, o2 may 21. Don't get too excited, he's fighting that chump TBA.

Can't believe he isn't fight until May again after the 1st round blow out the other week. Disappointing.

It is but with tv scheduling it's not always easy to get the prime time spot when you've been out for three years and are participating in a sport that's certainly not considered mainstream. Pointless getting a date for the fight if it's going to clash with another "major sporting event"

Just wait and see how many big fights get scheduled when the Olympics are on later this year

Fair point Dave. I was hoping he would have built a bit of momentum by then that was all. Hopefully it's a top 20 ranked fighter. Proper top 20 not one forced up the rankings to fit.

If Haye's top ten then he needs to be fighting someone else in the top ten to make people sit up and take notice

DAVE667 wrote:It is but with tv scheduling it's not always easy to get the prime time spot when you've been out for three years and are participating in a sport that's certainly not considered mainstream. Pointless getting a date for the fight if it's going to clash with another "major sporting event"

Just wait and see how many big fights get scheduled when the Olympics are on later this year

Come on Mate....I'm sure he can fight before May if he wanted......My guess is he wants to enjoy the big payday he's just had..

Not as if he has all the time in the world is it ??...He's 35 and a blown up heavy....Once he loses his speed advantages he's screwed...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:It is but with tv scheduling it's not always easy to get the prime time spot when you've been out for three years and are participating in a sport that's certainly not considered mainstream. Pointless getting a date for the fight if it's going to clash with another "major sporting event"

Just wait and see how many big fights get scheduled when the Olympics are on later this year

Come on Mate....I'm sure he can fight before May if he wanted......My guess is he wants to enjoy the big payday he's just had..

Not as if he has all the time in the world is it ??...He's 35 and a blown up heavy....Once he loses his speed advantages he's screwed...

I'm sure he could but it's still about making money and I'm not sure DAVE has the financial clout to make big things happen quickly. Who is going to come in that's a top ten guy that they can afford to pay handsomely. I've never heard of his promoters and I'm sure no-one else has either. I'm certain Haye was just dipping his toe in the water with free-to-air and would dearly love to be back on SKY but may have to build a few bridges before they take another punt on him

Some people have got heads wedged firmly up Hayes rear end. Shows how good he is at talking.

Haye wouldnt get anywhere near Fury for 12 rounds. It would be Klitschko all over again for Haye but even more so this time.

It wasnt visible in his come back 'fight' but the man will have undoubtedly slowed down now and Fury can move for 12 rounds and hes a big guy. He was clearly bigger than WK on fight night despite the endless comments on here that there was no difference.

I don't think some people on here actually watch boxing. Just talk a lot of boxing, much like a lot of my close friends that constantly tell me both Haye and AJ would demolish Fury. No wonder people like Eddie Hearn can make so much money. Boxing fans are so easily sold to despite evidence to the contrary right before their very eyes.

Did someone really try and use Hayes win over Enzo to back up their statements on here or did i misread?!

EX7EY wrote:Some people have got heads wedged firmly up Hayes rear end. Shows how good he is at talking.

Haye wouldnt get anywhere near Fury for 12 rounds. It would be Klitschko all over again for Haye but even more so this time.

It wasnt visible in his come back 'fight' but the man will have undoubtedly slowed down now and Fury can move for 12 rounds and hes a big guy. He was clearly bigger than WK on fight night despite the endless comments on here that there was no difference.

I don't think some people on here actually watch boxing. Just talk a lot of boxing, much like a lot of my close friends that constantly tell me both Haye and AJ would demolish Fury. No wonder people like Eddie Hearn can make so much money. Boxing fans are so easily sold to despite evidence to the contrary right before their very eyes.

Did someone really try and use Hayes win over Enzo to back up their statements on here or did i misread?!

Ha! Don't hold back mate - tell us what you really think.

He's knocked over a pudding and everyone's touting him as the next big thing (again). Crazy.

I wont mince my words because some people talk waffle Im afraid.

The same people that talk about Steve Cunningham being a blown up Crusierweight in one breath talk about David Haye as a genuine Heavyweight in the next.

A lot of nonsense gets talked unfortunately.

EX7EY wrote:I wont mince my words because some people talk waffle Im afraid.

The same people that talk about Steve Cunningham being a blown up Crusierweight in one breath talk about David Haye as a genuine Heavyweight in the next.

A lot of nonsense gets talked unfortunately.

You don't have to convince me. Sometimes I feel like Randle P. McMurphy with Catchweight as my big silent Indian.

If Mayweather and Manny are allowed to "grow" into the WW/LM division after starting out as scrawny little f*cks why is Haye not allowed to grow into a genuine HW? As you get older you generally tend to get bigger, heavier etc (ask TRUSS, he's a big ol' fatty!). When did people stop calling Holyfield a "blown-up CW?

I'm bigger now than five years ago and it's not due to weight training or supplements. My diet's stayed pretty much the same too so what's the reason for it.

Im not saying he cant move up in weight. But you cant start banging on about someone being a blown up cruiser because it suits your argument. Its not one rule for one and completely different set for Mr Haye

Haye was a good Cruiserwight in a poor division, the man was still fighting in leisure centres a couple of fights before demolishing the all powerful Enzo. Then he goes on to fight puddings at Heavyweight until getting comprehensively beaten by WK. As in absolutely shut out for pretty much 12 rounds. Then he fights a couple more puddings after that in Chisora and this other fella, the Austrailian bin man and people talking about him beating ht number 1 man in the division. Its like your brains wont let you compute what your eyes have seen or something. I dont know.

He's lucky he has the same metabolism as Pacquiao, Jones etc. He can put on loads of muscle quickly, retain exceptional speed and power and still look ripped despite the added weight.

DAVE667 wrote:If Mayweather and Manny are allowed to "grow" into the WW/LM division after starting out as scrawny little f*cks why is Haye not allowed to grow into a genuine HW? As you get older you generally tend to get bigger, heavier etc (ask TRUSS, he's a big ol' fatty!). When did people stop calling Holyfield a "blown-up CW?

I'm bigger now than five years ago and it's not due to weight training or supplements. My diet's stayed pretty much the same too so what's the reason for it.

Your head has got bigger

Well, prior to Haye pulling out of two fights the general consensus was the Fury was a lamb to the slaughter so why is it so far fetched that Haye can't beat Enzo. Someone said haye hardly laid a glove on Valuev. How many times did Haye get hit by a man with an 11" height and seven stone weight advantage?

At the time of their proposed fight, Fury was considered not much more than a pudding and a joke himself. Some people now seem to think he's the living embodiment of Peter Jackson.

shenglong2015 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:If Mayweather and Manny are allowed to "grow" into the WW/LM division after starting out as scrawny little f*cks why is Haye not allowed to grow into a genuine HW? As you get older you generally tend to get bigger, heavier etc (ask TRUSS, he's a big ol' fatty!). When did people stop calling Holyfield a "blown-up CW?

I'm bigger now than five years ago and it's not due to weight training or supplements. My diet's stayed pretty much the same too so what's the reason for it.

Your head has got bigger

That's what your wife/girlfriend says, well I think she does, she's hard to understand with her mouth full

EX7EY wrote:Im not saying he cant move up in weight.  But you cant start banging on about someone being a blown up cruiser because it suits your argument. Its not one rule for one and completely different set for Mr Haye

It is though, there isn't a fixed rule on it. Cunningham was a light punching Cruiserweight having his first fight against a genuine Heavyweight whereas Haye was a big punching former Cruiserweight who has fully grown into the division.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

EX7EY wrote:Im not saying he cant move up in weight.  But you cant start banging on about someone being a blown up cruiser because it suits your argument. Its not one rule for one and completely different set for Mr Haye

It is though, there isn't a fixed rule on it. Cunningham was a light punching Cruiserweight having his first fight against a genuine Heavyweight whereas Haye was a big punching former Cruiserweight who has fully grown into the division.

Its all conjecture though isnt it. Up at those weights the right punch will put people down. Whether or not you perceive someone as light punching. If you get caught right in the ring you can go down, simple as that. If you think otherwise then you've never laced up gloves (nothing wrong with that).

That's a tired cliche that doesn't really exist, I very much doubt Cunningham is dropping any Heavyweight with a good chin with that punch.

DAVE667 wrote:

shenglong2015 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:If Mayweather and Manny are allowed to "grow" into the WW/LM division after starting out as scrawny little f*cks why is Haye not allowed to grow into a genuine HW? As you get older you generally tend to get bigger, heavier etc (ask TRUSS, he's a big ol' fatty!). When did people stop calling Holyfield a "blown-up CW?

I'm bigger now than five years ago and it's not due to weight training or supplements. My diet's stayed pretty much the same too so what's the reason for it.

Your head has got bigger

That's what your wife/girlfriend says, well I think she does, she's hard to understand with her mouth full

Boyfriend actually, and I'm glad you enjoyed him

Hammersmith harrier wrote:That's a tired cliche that doesn't really exist, I very much doubt Cunningham is dropping any Heavyweight with a good chin with that punch.

Unfortunately there are some people who you can't talk to because no matter what you say they counter it with nonsense. The fact that you used the word doubt should indicate that my use of conjecture is not a 'tired old cliche'...

Hammersmith harrier wrote:That's a tired cliche that doesn't really exist, I very much doubt Cunningham is dropping any Heavyweight with a good chin with that punch.

Fury has a solid chin - so I don't quite follow that. It was a hell of a shot.

shenglong2015 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

shenglong2015 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:If Mayweather and Manny are allowed to "grow" into the WW/LM division after starting out as scrawny little f*cks why is Haye not allowed to grow into a genuine HW? As you get older you generally tend to get bigger, heavier etc (ask TRUSS, he's a big ol' fatty!). When did people stop calling Holyfield a "blown-up CW?

I'm bigger now than five years ago and it's not due to weight training or supplements. My diet's stayed pretty much the same too so what's the reason for it.

Your head has got bigger

That's what your wife/girlfriend says, well I think she does, she's hard to understand with her mouth full

Boyfriend actually, and I'm glad you enjoyed him

Ha!

Haye vs Hughie Fury...Tyson reckons his cousin is Champion in the making, let's see how good he is then.

hazharrison wrote:

shenglong2015 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

shenglong2015 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:If Mayweather and Manny are allowed to "grow" into the WW/LM division after starting out as scrawny little f*cks why is Haye not allowed to grow into a genuine HW? As you get older you generally tend to get bigger, heavier etc (ask TRUSS, he's a big ol' fatty!). When did people stop calling Holyfield a "blown-up CW?

I'm bigger now than five years ago and it's not due to weight training or supplements. My diet's stayed pretty much the same too so what's the reason for it.

Your head has got bigger

That's what your wife/girlfriend says, well I think she does, she's hard to understand with her mouth full

Boyfriend actually, and I'm glad you enjoyed him

Ha!

It was the large breasts that fooled me, still when you've been married as long as me, you'll be grateful for anything

hazharrison wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:That's a tired cliche that doesn't really exist, I very much doubt Cunningham is dropping any Heavyweight with a good chin with that punch.

Fury has a solid chin - so I don't quite follow that. It was a hell of a shot.

Exactly Haz. As I said, when people counter facts with fiction the conversation cant go any further.

That punch coming from Cunningham would not have dropped a guy with a solid chin.