Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach

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Navidi is better in other positions in my opinion. Williams is an out and out 8. Good signing.

[Stone Motif]

Yet more anti-Wales posting

Even the Welsh are anti Welsh

Anyone who wants four strong Welsh pro teams is kidding themselves if they think it can be achieved while Cement has the influence he has.

Still, as long as we beat the Scots come next Feb all will be forgiven I'm sure.

[Cardiff Dave]

Another crap joke from Dai. He's basically full of crap.

Oh dear.

I know right.

Eh?

[Guest]

Christ, that bit of banter escalated quickly. And I used winks and everything

Lighten up chaps

[Cardiff Dave]

The same old is suggested, so what next?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/35623512

[GavinDragon]

Cmon now Mikey and Griff - you should know by now that Cardiff is the centre of the rugby universe!

[LordDowlais]

Where is PhillBB ? 

Is this all down to his participation rubbish that he has made up ?

[PhilBB]

Where is PhillBB ? 

Is this all down to his participation rubbish that he has made up ?

Mate, why are you going down this line? You're making yourself look incredibly stupid.

Everybody with more than a passing knowledge of Welsh rugby is aware of the legacy of the 2009 Participation Agreement and Lewis' desire to roll that on in 2014.

Are you seriously telling me that you're unaware of it?

[mikey_dragon]

Cmon now Mikey and Griff - you should know by now that Cardiff is the centre of the rugby universe!

Where's Cardiff?

[LordDowlais]

Where is PhillBB ? 

Is this all down to his participation rubbish that he has made up ?

Mate, why are you going down this line? You're making yourself look incredibly stupid.

Everybody with more than a passing knowledge of Welsh rugby is aware of the legacy of the 2009 Participation Agreement and Lewis' desire to roll that on in 2014.

Are you seriously telling me that you're unaware of it?

It is something you are holding onto to justify your views. 

It is not the fault of the WRU that Cardiff Blues have been pathetically run akin to amateurism over the last 6 years. It's not the WRU's fault that Cardiff Blues have had 6 head coaches and all the staff they bring with them over the last 6 years, it's not the WRU's fault that there is a problem with player power at Cardiff Blues, it's not the WRU's fault that the Cardiff Blues players cannot use the elements to their advantage when there is a gale force wind behind them.

Stop making excuses, you are blinded by loyalty to Cardiff Blues, take your blinkers off and take a look at what has been unfolding right in front of your eyes for the last six years and then ask yourself who is to blame for it.

[PhilBB]

It is something you are holding onto to justify your views. 

It is not the fault of the WRU that Cardiff Blues have been pathetically run akin to amateurism over the last 6 years. It's not the WRU's fault that Cardiff Blues have had 6 head coaches and all the staff they bring with them over the last 6 years, it's not the WRU's fault that there is a problem with player power at Cardiff Blues, it's not the WRU's fault that the Cardiff Blues players cannot use the elements to their advantage when there is a gale force wind behind them.

Stop making excuses, you are blinded by loyalty to Cardiff Blues, take your blinkers off and take a look at what has been unfolding right in front of your eyes for the last six years and then ask yourself who is to blame for it.

Yes, I'm holding on to the trade agreement that dictated income in order to justify my views on performance. What an amazing thing to do.

I see that you're still ignoring the wider picture that I had to point out to you in another thread. I know full well the problems at my own club, thanks, but I also know full well the inability to fix all of them.

Remember the WRU level 5 stuff and remember on whose recommendation Hammett was appointed. Shall we deal with those two first or aren't you interested in rounding your opinion with some factual reality?

[LordDowlais]

Remember the WRU level 5 stuff and remember on whose recommendation Hammett was appointed. Shall we deal with those two first or aren't you interested in rounding your opinion with some factual reality?

Hammet has gone now, Baber and Burnell and then McIntosh, I did not know they had level 5 coaching qualifications, but the facts remain, Cardiff Blues made the decisions in the last 6 years not the WRU.

[PhilBB]

Hammet has gone now, Baber and Burnell and then McIntosh, I did not know they had level 5 coaching qualifications, but the facts remain, Cardiff Blues made the decisions in the last 6 years not the WRU.

Remind me of the pool of available coaches with WRU Level 5 qualification. Go on. Tell me who is included and then we can discuss the poor decision to appoint those coaches.

You see, the WRU made the decision about Level 5 coaches. Cardiff Blues had to select from that pool. Why? Because of the 2009 Participation Agreement.

Is it sinking in now?

[LordDowlais]

Is it sinking in now?

So Phill Davies, Justin Burnell and Gareth Baber and Dale McIntosh were all level 5 when they were appointed were they ?

[Luckless Pedestrian]

No need to shout.

[LordDowlais]

No need to shout.

Sorry, I do not know why some of my words have come out in bold.

[PhilBB]

Is it sinking in now?

So Phill Davies, Justin Burnell and Gareth Baber and Dale McIntosh were all level 5 when they were appointed were they ?

Yes. Didn't you know?

See the new agreement has allowed for more scope in employing better coaches and, by the end of the 2009 Agreement, clubs were ignoring the Level 5 thing anyway, as long as Gatland was happy (Gibbes, Pivac and Hammett).

[LordDowlais]

No need to shout.

Sorry, I do not know why some of my words have come out in bold.

[LordDowlais]

Is it sinking in now?

So Phill Davies, Justin Burnell and Gareth Baber and Dale McIntosh were all level 5 when they were appointed were they ?

Yes. Didn't you know?

See the new agreement has allowed for more scope in employing better coaches and, by the end of the 2009 Agreement, clubs were ignoring the Level 5 thing anyway, as long as Gatland was happy (Gibbes, Pivac and Hammett).

But Cardiff Blues STILL chose to promote Justin Burnell, Gareth Baber and Dale Mcintosh from within, why are you trying to defend the performances of Cardiff Blues both on off the pitch are you happy with how things are ?

Also, what you have said kind of pours water on your fire:-

clubs were ignoring the Level 5 thing anyway, as long as Gatland was happy (Gibbes, Pivac and Hammett).

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So Cardiff Blues could have approached anyone they wanted.

[mikey_dragon]

Is it sinking in now?

So Phill Davies, Justin Burnell and Gareth Baber and Dale McIntosh were all level 5 when they were appointed were they ?

Yes. Didn't you know?

See the new agreement has allowed for more scope in employing better coaches and, by the end of the 2009 Agreement, clubs were ignoring the Level 5 thing anyway, as long as Gatland was happy (Gibbes, Pivac and Hammett).

All good coaches too. Better than any other Welsh coach currently coaching in Wales.

[PhilBB]

But Cardiff Blues STILL chose to promote Justin Burnell, Gareth Baber and Dale Mcintosh from within, why are you trying to defend the performances of Cardiff Blues both on off the pitch are you happy with how things are ?

Also, what you have said kind of pours water on your fire:-

clubs were ignoring the Level 5 thing anyway, as long as Gatland was happy (Gibbes, Pivac and Hammett).

So Cardiff Blues could have approached anyone they wanted.

Why do you ignore so many of the words typed for you? It's a bonkers tactic.

The pool of Level 5 coaches was so small there were no other options. The goal of the Level 5 coaches, under Lewis' vision, was for the pathway to work for players and coaches, meaning Level 5 coached the pro teams.

When it become obvious that the Level 5 coaches were not good enough, that policy (despite being in the PA) was agreed to be dropped.

I can't make this any more clear for you, so could you just let me know if you at least now understand this?

Am I happy with things at Cardiff? Hell no, far from it. I'd do things enormously different there, but what I do recognise is how their hands are tied on many major issues. One such issue is the Level 5 coach problem that I've clearly just educated you about.

[PhilBB]

All good coaches too. Better than any other Welsh coach currently coaching in Wales.

Baber is not as good as Stephen Jones.

None are as good as Danny Wilson.

[LordDowlais]

None are as good as Danny Wilson.

Yet here he is, at the bottom end of the league table and out of Europe.

[mikey_dragon]

All good coaches too. Better than any other Welsh coach currently coaching in Wales.

Baber is not as good as Stephen Jones.

None are as good as Danny Wilson.

True, but the Kiwi coaches are better. As far as I know Danny Wilson is English, but has pretty much been in Wales for most of his rugby career. He's a good coach though, as is Dai Young.

[Coleman]

Steady now LD. I can accept that we're in the wrong half of the table and even that we're out of Europe because I know that we're purging the squad at the end of the season. Wilson is without a doubt a good coach, parts of our game are miles better than last year. Our defense is worrying but i put a lot of that down to player error or lack of skill. Which comes back around to players leaving at the end of the season. You can only do so much with what you're given.

[LordDowlais]

Steady now LD. I can accept that we're in the wrong half of the table and even that we're out of Europe because I know that we're purging the squad at the end of the season. Wilson is without a doubt a good coach, parts of our game are miles better than last year. Our defense is worrying but i put a lot of that down to player error or lack of skill. Which comes back around to players leaving at the end of the season. You can only do so much with what you're given.

Fair enough Coleman, at least you can give a straight answer. I have said numerous times that I will leave my judgement until next season, when these changes have come into fruition, but would you also agree that the excuses need to stop if the regions are still struggling next season ?

[Coleman]

Issue with Welsh rugby is there always seems to be one thing after another going wrong. Now Roger has gone things seem stable. So I guess it depends on what you see as sucess. I think for next season sucess for the Welsh teams would be: One team in the Knock Outs of the ERC (likely the Scarlets), two teams in the top 6 of the league, and one team in to the knock outs of the Amlin. I really just want to feel like we're on the up (like that poster says we are).

[PhilBB]

None are as good as Danny Wilson.

Yet here he is, at the bottom end of the league table and out of Europe.

Yet only an idiot would think that anybody could turn things around within a few months of a disrupted season.

Is it your expectation that he would?

[PhilBB]

Fair enough Coleman, at least you can give a straight answer. I have said numerous times that I will leave my judgement until next season, when these changes have come into fruition, but would you also agree that the excuses need to stop if the regions are still struggling next season ?

On Saturday, Cardiff were within a ref's interpretation of beating a far better funded Leinster. Just as they have been with the much better funded Harlequins and Montpellier.

Why don't you recognise this fact?

Why do you set such high expectations?

[LordDowlais]

Oh, so it's the refs fault now is it ? 

participation agreements, the WRU, the PRW getting bullied, lack of level 5 coaches and now the best of them all, it was the refs fault.

And you call me a fraud. Like I said, excuse, after excuse, after excuse........and on it goes.

[PhilBB]

Oh, so it's the refs fault now is it ? 

participation agreements, the WRU, the PRW getting bullied, lack of level 5 coaches and now the best of them all, it was the refs fault.

And you call me a fraud. Like I said, excuse, after excuse, after excuse........and on it goes.

No, not the ref's fault. His interpretation. One interpretation from qualifying in Europe and beating Leinster at home, yet you used both as sticks to beat Cardiff with.

All I'm doing is providing a dose of reality to your crazy expectations and, even worse, the sticks you use to beat PRW teams. It seems that you're not interested in providing any context to your so called opinions (many of which are baseless).

I can now see why today, after the Judgement Day scenario. That finally underlined that you don't know what you are going on about.

[LordDowlais]

I can now see why today, after the Judgement Day scenario. That finally underlined that you don't know what you are going on about.

Um, OK.

[PhilBB]

I can now see why today, after the Judgement Day scenario. That finally underlined that you don't know what you are going on about.

Um, OK.

Or you could try telling me that the CAP clubhouse isn't part of CAP. Or that the income of CAP doesn't go to Cardiff Blues.

Or so much else that you've been found wanting on.

Give it up, it's a busted flush.

[LordDowlais]

Give it up, it's a busted flush.

A bit like your excuse oriented agenda.

But arguing with you is spoiling this forum for others, so I suggest we leave it there.

[Don Blues]

Steady now LD. I can accept that we're in the wrong half of the table and even that we're out of Europe because I know that we're purging the squad at the end of the season. Wilson is without a doubt a good coach, parts of our game are miles better than last year. Our defense is worrying but i put a lot of that down to player error or lack of skill. Which comes back around to players leaving at the end of the season. You can only do so much with what you're given.

Fair enough Coleman, at least you can give a straight answer. I have said numerous times that I will leave my judgement until next season, when these changes have come into fruition, but would you also agree that the excuses need to stop if the regions are still struggling next season ?

But you are not leaving your judgement until next season, you're judging them now and at every chance you get.

LD - I doubt there are any Cardiff Blues fans that are happy with the situation but there has been improvement from the last few years. The squad (that had been poor since 2011) is being addressed as is the game plan. Better game management in 5 games this season and they would have been wins, I hope the more time Wilson spends with the squad the more those close losses will turn not wins.

In relation to the politics of Welsh rugby, I don't profess to be an expert but it was clear that the last agreement hamstrung the regions and was geared up to help team Wales more. The new one is better for us and gives us a bit more freedom.

Wilson needs time to stamp his authority on the Blues, I'm happy to give it to him and not slate the team for losing by 1 point, in howling awful wet conditions (my shoes are still soaking today after watching that!) against one of the top reams in the league. It was frustrating as we did the hard work in the first half but these things happen and I hope in future we'll win more than lose.

[glamorganalun]

After watching the game on the weekend I hope Lloyd Will'iams is not in the squad for Friday he was dreadful

[PhilBB]

Steady now LD. I can accept that we're in the wrong half of the table and even that we're out of Europe because I know that we're purging the squad at the end of the season. Wilson is without a doubt a good coach, parts of our game are miles better than last year. Our defense is worrying but i put a lot of that down to player error or lack of skill. Which comes back around to players leaving at the end of the season. You can only do so much with what you're given.

Fair enough Coleman, at least you can give a straight answer. I have said numerous times that I will leave my judgement until next season, when these changes have come into fruition, but would you also agree that the excuses need to stop if the regions are still struggling next season ?

But you are not leaving your judgement until next season, you're judging them now and at every chance you get.

LD - I doubt there are any Cardiff Blues fans that are happy with the situation but there has been improvement from the last few years. The squad (that had been poor since 2011) is being addressed as is the game plan. Better game management in 5 games this season and they would have been wins, I hope the more time Wilson spends with the squad the more those close losses will turn not wins.

In relation to the politics of Welsh rugby, I don't profess to be an expert but it was clear that the last agreement hamstrung the regions and was geared up to help team Wales more. The new one is better for us and gives us a bit more freedom.

Wilson needs time to stamp his authority on the Blues, I'm happy to give it to him and not slate the team for losing by 1 point, in howling awful wet conditions (my shoes are still soaking today after watching that!) against one of the top reams in the league. It was frustrating as we did the hard work in the first half but these things happen and I hope in future we'll win more than lose.

Exactly right.

[Coleman]

Corey Allen out for the season and needs an op on his ankle. Very sad news as he's looked good since coming back. Long rest for him before the begining of next season.

[LordDowlais]

Corey Allen out for the season and needs an op on his ankle. Very sad news as he's looked good since coming back. Long rest for him before the begining of next season.

Christ, he is just an injury waiting to happen. He is like another Rhys Williams.

[True Raven]

Hasn't the issue of the blues poor form over the years been due to poor player recruitment?

Players like Rush, Blair, Halfpenny, Roberts, Tito got replaced with duds.

[Cardiff Dave]

Cmon now Mikey and Griff - you should know by now that Cardiff is the centre of the rugby universe!

Think Bungalow claimed that or something about being in a privileged position.

[Cardiff Dave]

Steady now LD. I can accept that we're in the wrong half of the table and even that we're out of Europe because I know that we're purging the squad at the end of the season. Wilson is without a doubt a good coach, parts of our game are miles better than last year. Our defense is worrying but i put a lot of that down to player error or lack of skill. Which comes back around to players leaving at the end of the season. You can only do so much with what you're given.

Fair enough Coleman, at least you can give a straight answer. I have said numerous times that I will leave my judgement until next season, when these changes have come into fruition, but would you also agree that the excuses need to stop if the regions are still struggling next season ?

But you are not leaving your judgement until next season, you're judging them now and at every chance you get.

LD - I doubt there are any Cardiff Blues fans that are happy with the situation but there has been improvement from the last few years. The squad (that had been poor since 2011) is being addressed as is the game plan. Better game management in 5 games this season and they would have been wins, I hope the more time Wilson spends with the squad the more those close losses will turn not wins.

In relation to the politics of Welsh rugby, I don't profess to be an expert but it was clear that the last agreement hamstrung the regions and was geared up to help team Wales more. The new one is better for us and gives us a bit more freedom.

Wilson needs time to stamp his authority on the Blues, I'm happy to give it to him and not slate the team for losing by 1 point, in howling awful wet conditions (my shoes are still soaking today after watching that!) against one of the top reams in the league. It was frustrating as we did the hard work in the first half but these things happen and I hope in future we'll win more than lose.

Exactly right.

Aye but it's the BS excuses from Danny that bug me such as those resulting from the Treviso game; young team, didn't have our international players, poor execution, Treviso were desperate for a win, etc.
Would prefer if he just admitted that the team played sh!t or do a Richard Cockerill and state when asked after losing, what his team need to do, "play better" was his reply.

[Cardiff Dave]

Tom James needs to sharpen his saw apparently....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/35650770

[PhilBB]

Hasn't the issue of the blues poor form over the years been due to poor player recruitment?

Players like Rush, Blair, Halfpenny, Roberts, Tito got replaced with duds.

Because of money.

[PhilBB]

Aye but it's the BS excuses from Danny that bug me such as those resulting from the Treviso game; young team, didn't have our international players, poor execution, Treviso were desperate for a win, etc.
Would prefer if he just admitted that the team played sh!t or do a Richard Cockerill and state when asked after losing, what his team need to do, "play better" was his reply.

http://www.cardiffblues.com/news/8094.php#.Vs7QNTZiyhQ

Sorry, I don't translate that interview in the way you seem to have done so.

[Cardiff Dave]

Aye but it's the BS excuses from Danny that bug me such as those resulting from the Treviso game; young team, didn't have our international players, poor execution, Treviso were desperate for a win, etc.
Would prefer if he just admitted that the team played sh!t or do a Richard Cockerill and state when asked after losing, what his team need to do, "play better" was his reply.

http://www.cardiffblues.com/news/8094.php#.Vs7QNTZiyhQ

Sorry, I don't translate that interview in the way you seem to have done so.

I blydi knew you wouldn't.
The thing is though, the bits highlighted above could've been said from a Treviso point of view.

[Cardiff Dave]

Hasn't the issue of the blues poor form over the years been due to poor player recruitment?

Players like Rush, Blair, Halfpenny, Roberts, Tito got replaced with duds.

Because of money.

CCS was about money too wasn't it?
Also, what's the whole story regarding Hammett leaving?

[True Raven]

Hasn't the issue of the blues poor form over the years been due to poor player recruitment?

Players like Rush, Blair, Halfpenny, Roberts, Tito got replaced with duds.

Because of money.

CCS was about money too wasn't it?
Also, what's the whole story regarding Hammett leaving?

In the same boat as Ospreys and Scarlets, they didn't crumble like the blues.

[Cardiff Dave]

Hasn't the issue of the blues poor form over the years been due to poor player recruitment?

Players like Rush, Blair, Halfpenny, Roberts, Tito got replaced with duds.

Because of money.

CCS was about money too wasn't it?
Also, what's the whole story regarding Hammett leaving?

In the same boat as Ospreys and Scarlets, they didn't crumble like the blues.  

Cardiff will never crumble mun.

[Coleman]

Great win! Lee-Lo had a big game and carried the side in the second half. Some lovely hands for the tries. More of that please!

[Blueschief]

It was great, Lee-Lo was a real handful. We also had a better bench and made all the difference. I'm chuffed Patchell had a good game by his standards.

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