David Haye v Malik Scott - May 21st O2 Arena

by shenglong2015 Wed 27 Jan 2016, 4:31 pm

First topic message reminder :

Heard this is happening through a very reliable source.

Thoughts?

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 28 Jan 2016, 2:54 pm

DAVE667 wrote:Barely scraped past him? Rodders, neither man threw much but Haye was by far the better man on the night. Valuev couldn't get near him. Had Haye not broken his hand he may have thrown more but whilst it was a dull fight, I doubt anyone in their right mind expected him to fight any other way against a man with an 11" height and 7 stone weight advantage.

He made Valuev swing and miss all night long. Floyd's done it for years against fighters but when he does it it's a masterclass. Oh well.......

Damaged hand v Valuev..

Damaged shoulder v Fury...

Damaged eye v Fury

Damaged toe v Wlad.....

Perhaps he should quit before his bad luck hits more vital areas !!..

by Guest Thu 28 Jan 2016, 3:01 pm

We can't all be cast iron warhorses who'll take it to the trenches, draw lines in the sand and sort it on the cobbles but (blame it on volcanoes and jetlag)

by shenglong2015 Thu 28 Jan 2016, 3:04 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:Barely scraped past him? Rodders, neither man threw much but Haye was by far the better man on the night. Valuev couldn't get near him. Had Haye not broken his hand he may have thrown more but whilst it was a dull fight, I doubt anyone in their right mind expected him to fight any other way against a man with an 11" height and 7 stone weight advantage.

He made Valuev swing and miss all night long. Floyd's done it for years against fighters but when he does it it's a masterclass. Oh well.......

Damaged hand v Valuev..

Damaged shoulder v Fury...

Damaged eye v Fury

Damaged toe v Wlad.....

Perhaps he should quit before his bad luck hits more vital areas !!..

I've got a Mr Potato Head with more faculties than Haye....

Set myself up now for the Irish racism....queue the famine jokes....

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 28 Jan 2016, 3:06 pm

We can't all lull thousands of hard working fans parting with hard earned money to Germany...knowing you aren't fit and can't apparently give it your best shot..hey Dave.

by Guest Thu 28 Jan 2016, 3:07 pm

I've got a Mr Potato Head with more brains, and personality than you, Sheng

by Guest Thu 28 Jan 2016, 3:08 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:We can't all lull thousands of hard working fans parting with hard earned money to Germany...knowing you aren't fit and can't apparently give it your best shot..hey Dave.

He did give it his best shot considering his debilitating injury! I was one of the aggrieved, I'd gone all the way to Leeds to watch it in a bar.

by armchairwarrior Thu 28 Jan 2016, 3:36 pm

Hayes style is a primarily of a counter puncher which isn't so good imo for a man of Valuevs size. Holy had more variety and was on his toes using the whole ring and should have won..Haye nicked it because he just about made his work count more than Valuev..and to be fair Valuev was a horrible nights work for anyone. With a massive height, reach and weight advantage he would only have to basically competent to give most boxers real problems.

by shenglong2015 Thu 28 Jan 2016, 3:53 pm

I am glad we all still have Mr Potato heads.

by Guest Thu 28 Jan 2016, 4:00 pm

I'm glad we still have you to take the p!ss out of

by armchairwarrior Thu 28 Jan 2016, 4:11 pm

Vitali and Wladimir didn't unify with Valuev and both were active when he had a belt. Two brave men for you...left it to the little guys in Haye and Holy to take on the much much bigger guy...just saying!

by Lance Thu 28 Jan 2016, 4:24 pm

It was an unfit and badly ageing Valuev that Haye fought. Still a lot of people, even the Sky and BBC teams had Valuev winning

by Guest Thu 28 Jan 2016, 4:30 pm

The judges didn't though Lance and that is all that matters

by Hammersmith harrier Thu 28 Jan 2016, 4:39 pm

The Sky team didn't have Valuev winning, Watt was scoring the fight how he thought the judges in Germany would score it. Not a classic performance but Haye clearly won.

by **ShahenshahG** Thu 28 Jan 2016, 4:41 pm

Why does everyone forget what a thorough beating Chagaev gave him. And armchair, Valuev (and Don king) worked really hard to stay away from Wladimir then even turned down 2.5 million after losing to Haye to fight vitali. Just someone who has been out boxed by John Ruiz might be in fear of his life against either brother.

by armchairwarrior Thu 28 Jan 2016, 4:44 pm

To be fair I didn't know that...

by shenglong2015 Thu 28 Jan 2016, 4:47 pm

DAVE667 wrote:I'm glad we still have you to take the p!ss out of

Because you do a really good job of that Dave lol??

by **ShahenshahG** Thu 28 Jan 2016, 4:50 pm

armchairwarrior wrote:To be fair I didn't know that...

You'll fit right in with us on the boxing board then Laugh

by Nico the gman Thu 28 Jan 2016, 5:13 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:Why does everyone forget what a thorough beating Chagaev gave him. And armchair, Valuev (and Don king) worked really hard to stay away from Wladimir then even turned down 2.5 million after losing to Haye to fight vitali. Just someone who has been out boxed by John Ruiz might be in fear of his life against either brother.

Valuev wouldn't have had a chance of beating either Klits, but to give Valuev he's due, he stated it was like negotiating with the devil, they had that many clauses in the contract, which I could well believe.

by **ShahenshahG** Thu 28 Jan 2016, 5:24 pm

Haye said that also but when he came with a title (i.e. not demanding a free shot ) they agreed to 50-50 as they did with all the other titlists. Remember also that the person negotiating on Valuev's behalf was Don King who wanted options on Wlad. Valuev already had a title so it would have been 50-50. Then when he lost to Haye he opted to retire instead of fight vitali for a couple of million.

by armchairwarrior Thu 28 Jan 2016, 5:24 pm

ShahenshahG don't mind if I'm wrong...what a piece of work is Don King..Valuev could have made a lot of money fighting one of the brothers even if his stock went down after...

by armchairwarrior Thu 28 Jan 2016, 5:26 pm

Sorry just got your post...retire and not fight Vitali..weird!!

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 28 Jan 2016, 5:26 pm

Haye was a lot more marketable than Valuev.....Who cared about Wlad v Valuev. ??

Haye v Wlad was a superfight.....Wlad could be generous.

by Nico the gman Thu 28 Jan 2016, 5:29 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:Haye said that also but when he came with a title (i.e. not demanding a free shot ) they agreed to 50-50 as they did with all the other titlists. Remember also that the person negotiating on Valuev's behalf was Don King who wanted options on Wlad. Valuev already had a title so it would have been 50-50. Then when he lost to Haye he opted to retire instead of fight vitali for a couple of million.

Just stating what Valuev said about the negotiations, true or not, don't know.

by **ShahenshahG** Thu 28 Jan 2016, 5:29 pm

Yes - but Don king wasn't interested in making Valuev a lot of money - he as always was interested in making himself a lot of money and Valuev couldn't do that if he'd been beaten senseless by Vitali or cut to ribbons by wlad. I think he wanted to hold Valuev back until he could hold a stronger position but his performances against Ruiz, Holyfield and then Haye more or less scuppered that.

by **ShahenshahG** Thu 28 Jan 2016, 5:32 pm

Nico the gman wrote:
ShahenshahG wrote:Haye said that also but when he came with a title (i.e. not demanding a free shot ) they agreed to 50-50 as they did with all the other titlists. Remember also that the person negotiating on Valuev's behalf was Don King who wanted options on Wlad. Valuev already had a title so it would have been 50-50. Then when he lost to Haye he opted to retire instead of fight vitali for a couple of million.
Just stating what Valuev said about the negotiations, true or not, don't know.

Aye I know but It made no sense because of the stuff I wrote in the above post. Why would they give less profile titleholders 50/50 without options then offer Valuev who brought more to the table a derisory offer and options. Answer is that they wouldn't.

by armchairwarrior Thu 28 Jan 2016, 5:32 pm

I don't know...the beast from the east v dr steelHammer...touch of panto about it but would sell to theuninformed masses. I would have liked to have seen how safety first Klitschko fought Valuev TBH just for the crack!

by **ShahenshahG** Thu 28 Jan 2016, 5:38 pm

Could go either way with Wlad, either he outboxes him or he hurts him early then drags it out Laugh

There was some speculation he gets paid by the round - I don't know how true this is. Valuev is easy to hit and even against someone cautious like Wlad that's a bad place to be.

by Guest Thu 28 Jan 2016, 5:46 pm

He's also got a head bigger than my car

by **ShahenshahG** Thu 28 Jan 2016, 6:15 pm

DAVE667 wrote:He's also got a head bigger than my car

Didn't know you moonlighted as a circumciser?

by Lance Thu 28 Jan 2016, 8:45 pm

Would have loved to see Valuev Vitali. Think Vitali ego was too big to hit and run. Could he have beaten Valuev in a toe to toe brawl? Wish it had happend

by armchairwarrior Thu 28 Jan 2016, 9:08 pm

So do I mate...the Vitali that fought Lewis!

by TopHat24/7 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 9:45 am

Just throwing it out there - Valuev would have beaten Wlad.

by Guest Fri 29 Jan 2016, 11:32 am

ShahenshahG wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:He's also got a head bigger than my car

Didn't know you moonlighted as a circumciser?

Yes, the pay's rubbish......wait for it..............but the tips are great!!!

by **ShahenshahG** Fri 29 Jan 2016, 11:35 am

Haha!

by Guest Fri 29 Jan 2016, 11:43 am

Thought you'd like that

by **ShahenshahG** Fri 29 Jan 2016, 11:51 am

I lol'd out loud Dave. Seems like everyone on fire these days. Makes judgement day seem ever so closer.

by Guest Fri 29 Jan 2016, 11:53 am

ShahenshahG wrote:I lol'd out loud Dave. Seems like everyone on fire these days. Makes judgement day seem ever so closer.

Somewhat insensitive of you to say that to a Bradford lad, Shah, especially seeing as there been a massive blaze here yesterday

by **ShahenshahG** Fri 29 Jan 2016, 11:59 am

DAVE667 wrote:
ShahenshahG wrote:I lol'd out loud Dave. Seems like everyone on fire these days. Makes judgement day seem ever so closer.
Somewhat insensitive of you to say that to a Bradford lad, Shah, especially seeing as there been a massive blaze here yesterday

Looks like I chose the wrong week to quit cannabis.

by Guest Fri 29 Jan 2016, 12:41 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
ShahenshahG wrote:I lol'd out loud Dave. Seems like everyone on fire these days. Makes judgement day seem ever so closer.
Somewhat insensitive of you to say that to a Bradford lad, Shah, especially seeing as there been a massive blaze here yesterday

Looks like I chose the wrong week to quit cannabis.

It was burning all day and into the night, still smouldering this morning. The local garage ran out of Mars bars and Doritos around 2am

by Guest Fri 29 Jan 2016, 1:52 pm

I heard Haye on the radio yesterday saying he is definitely fighting a top ten fighter. De Mori rematch?

by Guest Fri 29 Jan 2016, 3:18 pm

If it's so easy to pull a top ten ranked fighter out of the hat and get them to come over to the UK to fight then when why don't some of you guys try it? You make it sound so easy

by Steffan Fri 29 Jan 2016, 3:48 pm

Haye v Chisora rematch would best

The public want it...

by smashingstormcrow Fri 29 Jan 2016, 3:51 pm

Can anybody find any organisation with Malik Scott in their top 10?

by spencerclarke Fri 29 Jan 2016, 4:24 pm

Think he was looking on boxrec.

by Guest Fri 29 Jan 2016, 4:28 pm

Richard and Judy rate him quite highly but then again she's usually drunk and he's on the lookout for bargains in the wines and spirits department

by Mr Bounce Fri 29 Jan 2016, 4:32 pm

Total mismatch due to Scott's questionable chin (or ability to take a huge paycheck and fall over *cough Wilder*) and the easiest way for Haye to get into the "Top Ten".

I think this will last maybe slightly longer than the De Mori fight. Haye will be rated by at least 2 of the organisations after this fight, but neither Wilder nor Fury will go anywhere near him. It'll be WBA or IBF for Haye.

by Guest Fri 29 Jan 2016, 4:35 pm

I said previously that footage of Wilder being clowned by Haye in sparring will soon be doing the rounds on social media and Deontay will be dragged into another twitter war this time with someone with a better command of the English than a seven year old

by spencerclarke Fri 29 Jan 2016, 4:35 pm

Haha very good dave.

I actually don't think it's a terrible fight for Haye. He will move him up the rankings without any real risk and his mouth will move him up the other places to get him a title fight. I would have prefer ed a taller opponent though to prepare him better. A Hellenius type. But as dave points out its all about who's available. Quite a lot of fights already lined up.

by Atila Fri 29 Jan 2016, 4:36 pm

smashingstormcrow wrote:Can anybody find any organisation with Malik Scott in their top 10?

The IBO have him rated at number six. He's also rated at twelve by the WBC.

by Guest Fri 29 Jan 2016, 4:38 pm

spencerclarke wrote:Haha very good dave.

I actually don't think it's a terrible fight for Haye. He will move him up the rankings without any real risk and his mouth will move him up the other places to get him a title fight. I would have prefer ed a taller opponent though to prepare him better. A Hellenius type. But as dave points out its all about who's available. Quite a lot of fights already lined up.

You're probably the only one...even Judy (between blackouts) was heard slurring her disapproval (and asking if anyone wanted to see her t!ts again)

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