Fury v Klit - Compubox highlights the mediocrity.....

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Don't buy into this new Tyson fury......If you rated him before Wlad or didn't rate him....You should hold the same opinion....

Fury 381 punches.............landed "86"..............Landed seven punches a round...

Klit 231 punches..............landed "52"............Landed under 5 punches a round...(Threw less than 20 punches a round!!)

Fury success rate 22.5% .......Waste of space-Wlad success rate....22.5%


Take you back to a fight between Tubbs v witherspoon for the WBA (Yep it's the 80s).....who were derided as over weight slobs......

Over 15 rounds........

Tubbs 486...........landed 185..........That's 38% success rate...

Witherspoon 610..........landed 264.......That's 43%....

Both had higher workrates on average than Fury even though they went 3 rounds longer (Much higher workrate in Tim's case).... and both were more accurate against more technically gifted opposition....

Stats don't tell us everything.......But they point us in certain directions.......

This one is pointing to how mediocre Wlad and Fury were/are..

hazharrison wrote:Fury isn't great but he has an innate survival instinct that can't be taught. He's experienced: been knocked down and got up to win, been wobbled and regrouped, boxed southpaw, orthodox, reckless, cagey, out of shape, in shape.

He's been outboxed and decked by a cruiser.....A fight he won with an illegal shot !!!

Lost to a slob in McDermott....

Yes he beat a pacifist in Wlad and he has improved..............But go easy with the gushing praise..

Do you hate Fury, or all his kind?

My question is actually a joke, I'm not ignorant enough to really ask someone something like that.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:Fury isn't great but he has an innate survival instinct that can't be taught. He's experienced: been knocked down and got up to win, been wobbled and regrouped, boxed southpaw, orthodox, reckless, cagey, out of shape, in shape.  

He's been outboxed and decked by a cruiser.....A fight he won with an illegal shot !!!

Lost to a slob in McDermott....

Yes he beat a pacifist in Wlad and he has improved..............But go easy with the gushing praise..

None of what you spat out contradicts what I said. "Fury isn't great" is gushing?

"innate survival instinct that can't be taught".......A telegraphed right hand off a cruiser...

"Boxed southpaw...regrouped....cagey"...... ..Never seen a worse southpaw since Bruno Tyson 2..

Thought I was reading Ray Leonard's autobiography..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:"innate survival instinct that can't be taught".......A telegraphed right hand off a cruiser...

"Boxed southpaw...regrouped....cagey"...... ..Never seen a worse southpaw since Bruno Tyson 2..

Thought I was reading Ray Leonard's autobiography..

Petty trolling. None of that contradicts what I said. He has a natural survival instinct that the likes of Wlad and Bruno (seeing as you mentioned him) sorely lack/lacked.

He's no great shakes but he may just be the best all rounder.

It seems a trifle confrontational on here today.

Fury deserves all the praise he gets for beating Wlad. He's just now got to prove that it wasn't a one off, which is going to be harder to do.

I remember watching the Cunningham fight and thinking that Fury needs to avoid any puncher like the plague so it makes his achievement immense.

RanjitPatel wrote:It seems a trifle confrontational on here today.

Fury deserves all the praise he gets for beating Wlad. He's just now got to prove that it wasn't a one off, which is going to be harder to do.

I remember watching the Cunningham fight and thinking that Fury needs to avoid any puncher like the plague so it makes his achievement immense.

He still needs to avoid any puncher like the plague....

Funny thing is Raj..............He was a clown to 99% on here before the Wlad fight..............Beats a guy that threw 19 punches a round...

And he is a whole new fighter....

One fight doesn't change anything.....

He needs to avoid a puncher like the plague?

When I mention that about another boxer, I have an agenda?

Truss I have tried to be reasonable, but you are a major HYPOCRITE. This whole thread is the only evidence I need.

RanjitPatel wrote:It seems a trifle confrontational on here today.

Fury deserves all the praise he gets for beating Wlad. He's just now got to prove that it wasn't a one off, which is going to be harder to do.

I remember watching the Cunningham fight and thinking that Fury needs to avoid any puncher like the plague so it makes his achievement immense.

That's the effect of one poster!

The Cunningham fight proved that size means nothing if you leave your chin out for a 200 lb fighter to hit. Fury's chin is Ok (we're certainly not talking a Deontay Wilder-style weakness) and he recovers well from being hurt.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

RanjitPatel wrote:It seems a trifle confrontational on here today.

Fury deserves all the praise he gets for beating Wlad. He's just now got to prove that it wasn't a one off, which is going to be harder to do.

I remember watching the Cunningham fight and thinking that Fury needs to avoid any puncher like the plague so it makes his achievement immense.

He still needs to avoid any puncher like the plague....

Funny thing is Raj..............He was a clown to 99% on here before the Wlad fight..............Beats a guy that threw 19 punches a round...

And he is a whole new fighter....

One fight doesn't change anything.....

Fury inhibited Klitschko - lets get it straight.

Klitschko didn't just forget to punch! You need to start watching the fights instead of just commenting about them.

I think that compu-box stats are often unfairly maligned , and whilst I wouldn't want pro boxing to adopt a scoring system similar to that now used in the amateur game,they do help tell the the narrative of some fights when read in conjuncture with the scorecards, and yes, Truss is on the money here- the stats do back up what a dreadful fight this was - not since Audley v Danny Williams 1 has there been a heavy weight fight so devoid of action.
The question of whether either can, or will, do anything different in the rematch is the only thing that it holds any allure. I have a feeling that Wlad will be better, and Fury about the same, so we get a closer fight, slightly more action, but same result.

I don't actually think he watches boxing. Just reads about it.

Atila wrote:

Rowley wrote:The funny thing is trouble only seems to follow certain posters around. I am always curious how other posters are capable of existing on here pretty much free from any hassle. Let's take milky as an example, is on here pretty much every day. Offers his opinions whether they are a consensus view or otherwise, joins in the banter or chiding of other posters but can do so without falling out with anyone or falling foul of the moderation team.

Odd that him and several others can manage this but a small handful are repeatedly incapable of doing likewise.

Milky is an old man so I cut him some slack. He's been watching boxing from the days of Sonny Liston.

I'm old alright. I can even remember Leonard W12 Hagler

From Rowley's description it sounds like I need to man up and grow a pair

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

RanjitPatel wrote:It seems a trifle confrontational on here today.

Fury deserves all the praise he gets for beating Wlad. He's just now got to prove that it wasn't a one off, which is going to be harder to do.

I remember watching the Cunningham fight and thinking that Fury needs to avoid any puncher like the plague so it makes his achievement immense.

He still needs to avoid any puncher like the plague....

Funny thing is Raj..............He was a clown to 99% on here before the Wlad fight..............Beats a guy that threw 19 punches a round...

And he is a whole new fighter....

One fight doesn't change anything.....

He was a clown to me and I'm a fan of the guy. Never thought in a million years that he could beat Wlad but he did it so deserves the plaudits.

I'm saying that to do it again will be even harder against a hungrier (IMO) Wlad. He's obviously gone up in most people's estimations although I look at his skills in head to heads and I just think he'll come up short against fighters that don't freeze like Wlad did in that fight.

Unless Wlad fights with the same tactics in the rematch, there's no easy fights from here on in for Tyson.

If he beats Wlad again, Wilder, Joshua, Povetkin then I'd say that's a pretty good list of wins in any era. I just don't think that he can do it but I hope he does.

horizontalhero wrote:I think that compu-box stats are often unfairly maligned , and whilst I wouldn't want pro boxing to adopt a scoring system similar to that now used in the amateur game,they do help tell the the narrative of some fights when read in conjuncture with the scorecards, and yes, Truss is on the money here- the stats do back up what a dreadful fight this was - not since Audley v Danny Williams 1 has there been a heavy weight fight so devoid of action.
The question of whether either can, or will, do anything different in the rematch is the only thing that it holds any allure. I have a feeling that Wlad will be better, and Fury about the same, so we get a closer fight, slightly more action, but same result.

Yes all the questions are concerning Wlad.....

He lost 7-5 last time and did very little..........If he shows more life and heart and ups his work rate...

My guess is with German judges he wins.....He doesn't have to do much more than last time...

My guess is though he simply doesn't want to risk getting hit.......and he can't smother a bigger man......So he's got a problem...

hazharrison wrote:

RanjitPatel wrote:It seems a trifle confrontational on here today.

Fury deserves all the praise he gets for beating Wlad. He's just now got to prove that it wasn't a one off, which is going to be harder to do.

I remember watching the Cunningham fight and thinking that Fury needs to avoid any puncher like the plague so it makes his achievement immense.

That's the effect of one poster!

The Cunningham fight proved that size means nothing if you leave your chin out for a 200 lb fighter to hit. Fury's chin is Ok (we're certainly not talking a Deontay Wilder-style weakness) and he recovers well from being hurt.

I agree his chin isn't as bad as Wilder's. Wilder has the power to ko Fury at anytime if he lands but I doubt I could say the same for Fury. He'd have to protect his chin for 12 rounds against the calibre of fighters he'll be up against from now on. Someone's going to land, it's inevitable.

Would Wilder box tentatively fearing Fury's own power? I don't know.

My concern is the way Fury is going to milk this win, it was 3 months ago, talk of a May rematch, so that's 6 months before our HW World Champ fights again.

According to Peter Fury he isn't even in training, so hes running about sending annoying tweets that make no sense, offering fights to UFC fighters, and threatening to retire?

Its all a lot worse than when Wlad was kingpin, no matter how you look at it.

Makes a mockery of the sport.

This rematch should be happening this weekend, and the sooner Fury is beaten the better.

People think it has in some way restored the division, I think its even more of a mess.

milkyboy wrote:

Atila wrote:

Rowley wrote:The funny thing is trouble only seems to follow certain posters around. I am always curious how other posters are capable of existing on here pretty much free from any hassle. Let's take milky as an example, is on here pretty much every day. Offers his opinions whether they are a consensus view or otherwise, joins in the banter or chiding of other posters but can do so without falling out with anyone or falling foul of the moderation team.

Odd that him and several others can manage this but a small handful are repeatedly incapable of doing likewise.

Milky is an old man so I cut him some slack. He's been watching boxing from the days of Sonny Liston.

I'm old alright. I can even remember Leonard W12 Hagler

From Rowley's description it sounds like I need to man up and grow a pair

You dirty bast#*d!

RanjitPatel wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

RanjitPatel wrote:It seems a trifle confrontational on here today.

Fury deserves all the praise he gets for beating Wlad. He's just now got to prove that it wasn't a one off, which is going to be harder to do.

I remember watching the Cunningham fight and thinking that Fury needs to avoid any puncher like the plague so it makes his achievement immense.

That's the effect of one poster!

The Cunningham fight proved that size means nothing if you leave your chin out for a 200 lb fighter to hit. Fury's chin is Ok (we're certainly not talking a Deontay Wilder-style weakness) and he recovers well from being hurt.

I agree his chin isn't as bad as Wilder's. Wilder has the power to ko Fury at anytime if he lands but I doubt I could say the same for Fury. He'd have to protect his chin for 12 rounds against the calibre of fighters he'll be up against from now on. Someone's going to land, it's inevitable.

Would Wilder box tentatively fearing Fury's own power? I don't know.

Whilst I still hold the view that Fury has a lot of fundamental technical flaws, I think his lack of power may be more of an issue- the division isn't exactly awash with great technicians, but I can see Fury's lack of a decent dig being a problem against a more willing foe than Klitchko. In a fight against a decent puncher you need something in your arsenal to keep eliminate that threat- the least dangerous puncher is the one who's been knocked out, and if you can't knock them out, then you have to keep your chin covered for 12 rounds, and that's not easy-and the likes of Wilder, Haye and AJ all have a serious punch.

To be honest i do wish they would harry up and set a date for the rematch. It seems to be taking a long time.

LivinginItaly wrote:To be honest i do wish they would harry up and set a date for the rematch. It seems to be taking a long time.

Agreed 100%

As I said...

My concern is the way Fury is going to milk this win, it was 3 months ago, talk of a May rematch, so that's 6 months before our HW World Champ fights again.

According to Peter Fury he isn't even in training, so hes running about sending annoying tweets that make no sense, offering fights to UFC fighters, and threatening to retire?

Its all a lot worse than when Wlad was kingpin, no matter how you look at it.

Makes a mockery of the sport.

This rematch should be happening this weekend, and the sooner Fury is beaten the better.

People think it has in some way restored the division, I think its even more of a mess.

Fury's camp said yesterday the last thing to be decided is the location and it's between UAE and UK. So surely it'll be UK, Manchester Area perhaps? Fury's home town and big enough venue.

Pedro147 wrote:Fury's camp said yesterday the last thing to be decided is the location and it's between UAE and UK. So surely it'll be UK, Manchester Area perhaps? Fury's home town and big enough venue.

That hot bed of boxing where you can't drink alcohol??!? (I think)

And heard on the grapevine that Fury has been in training as he's been spending time with a cattleprod up his arse to try and enhance his demented twitch style he employed first time out.

Pedro147 wrote:Fury's camp said yesterday the last thing to be decided is the location and it's between UAE and UK. So surely it'll be UK, Manchester Area perhaps? Fury's home town and big enough venue.

Gotta a feeling this fight will never be made.

And I think Khan v Alvarez will also not go ahead.

Why won't Khan v Canelo go ahead??

Lets stay on subject girls.

If Fury Wlad doesn't happen then I for one wouldn't be too upset. First fight was so, so poor it beggared belief. Only positive would be Fury getting knocked out and then hearing what he has to say. My money would be on him having some sort of rage breakdown which ends up in him getting arrested.

AJ vs Martin gets me more excited than a rematch. Could be genuine fireworks in that fight.

To be fair Coxy, you could always just, not bother watching the fight and read about it after.

AdamT wrote:To be fair Coxy, you could always just, not bother watching the fight and read about it after.

Like who?! ....

Tickets go on sale tomorrow don't they for the Martin v Joshua fight? Am tempted to buy a bunch and stick'em on StubHub, or maybe sell them to the highest bidder on here. Or maybe Adam can get me press tickets after he bribed me in to making a donation to the running of the forum in return for not banning me.. Or was it letting me back on. Can't remember, mental scars run deep.

Coxy001 wrote:Lets stay on subject girls.

If Fury Wlad doesn't happen then I for one wouldn't be too upset. First fight was so, so poor it beggared belief. Only positive would be Fury getting knocked out and then hearing what he has to say. My money would be on him having some sort of rage breakdown which ends up in him getting arrested.

AJ vs Martin gets me more excited than a rematch. Could be genuine fireworks in that fight.

Should be more entertaining than the fight!

Coxy001 wrote:

AdamT wrote:To be fair Coxy, you could always just, not bother watching the fight and read about it after.

Like who?! ....

Tickets go on sale tomorrow don't they for the Martin v Joshua fight? Am tempted to buy a bunch and stick'em on StubHub, or maybe sell them to the highest bidder on here. Or maybe Adam can get me press tickets after he bribed me in to making a donation to the running of the forum in return for not banning me.. Or was it letting me back on. Can't remember, mental scars run deep.

Its cnuts like you who should be banned from buying any tickets - disgraceful these oiks who make money off tickets to those who actually want to attend the shows.

Wlad wants to avoid fighting in the UK. ...

Only chance is to work harder and nick a decision in Germany. .

He'd have to engage and show more heart in England..

Anyone selling tickets or attempting to sell tickets at anything other than face value on here will be banned automatically and permanently.

Rowley wrote:Anyone selling tickets or attempting to sell tickets at anything other than face value on here will be banned automatically and permanently.

A massive pet hate of mine - us fans get shafted enough without non interested parties touting.

Cheers, Rodders

Coxy001 wrote:

AdamT wrote:To be fair Coxy, you could always just, not bother watching the fight and read about it after.

Like who?! ....

Tickets go on sale tomorrow don't they for the Martin v Joshua fight? Am tempted to buy a bunch and stick'em on StubHub, or maybe sell them to the highest bidder on here. Or maybe Adam can get me press tickets after he bribed me in to making a donation to the running of the forum in return for not banning me.. Or was it letting me back on. Can't remember, mental scars run deep.

Lots already gone on O2 priority, yesterday 9am.

Mine also Rodders. Despise the whole practice of touting with a passion. I can't stop it generally but will ensure it is not happening in here.

Rowley wrote:Anyone selling tickets or attempting to sell tickets at anything other than face value on here will be banned automatically and permanently.

Anti-capitalist

AdamT wrote:Why won't Khan v Canelo go ahead??

Dunno if they want to show murder live on TV, don't think we are ready for that yet.

Joking aside, I don't think Khan and his team are that stupid.

This is an unwinnable fight and they know it.

Khan and Alvarez are using this as leverage for better negotiations with Brook (or any other suitor) and Golovkin (and any other suitor).

They have no interest in fighting each other, the fight is nonsensical and lop-sided.

Khan has made a career of avoiding punchers, then signs to fight a heavier puncher. Doesn't fool me I'm afraid.

Khan v Canelo is going ahead...

Stupid to believe otherwise....

Coxy001 wrote:

Rowley wrote:Anyone selling tickets or attempting to sell tickets at anything other than face value on here will be banned automatically and permanently.

Anti-capitalist

Shouldn't bite but will anyway. I have no problem with parties who add a value to a process or event profiting from said event. The promoter, fighters, venue and initial ticketing agents all do this, and as such deserve to make money out of it. Touts and/or secondary ticketing websites and agencies (as they are currently run) add zero value to the process of staging a fight, on the contrary they actually harm the process for the consumers, as such they don't deserve to profit from it and deserve to be treated as the scummy parasites they are.

The big problem is Promoters feigning outrage.....

Could be outlawed tomorrow. .

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Khan v Canelo is going ahead...

Stupid to believe otherwise....

We will see who ends up looking stupid Truss.

Please save this in a folder for later use.

Just you remember this conversation.

Rowley wrote:

Coxy001 wrote:

Rowley wrote:Anyone selling tickets or attempting to sell tickets at anything other than face value on here will be banned automatically and permanently.

Anti-capitalist

Shouldn't bite but will anyway. I have no problem with parties who add a value to a process or event profiting from said event. The promoter, fighters, venue and initial ticketing agents all do this, and as such deserve to make money out of it. Touts and/or secondary ticketing websites and agencies (as they are currently run) add zero value to the process of staging a fight, on the contrary they actually harm the process for the consumers, as such they don't deserve to profit from it and deserve to be treated as the scummy parasites they are.

Don't worry Rowls, I've never bought tickets to an event I've wanted to go to and then shoved them on a resale site like stubhub. Still eternally greatful for the guy who was selling Twickers tickets (Eng v Aus) for £200 each off Gumtree (in the upper level), having then met the guy to collect and explained they were a surprise for my Aussie missus he promptly had a bout of conscience and gave me them for face value.

shenglong2015 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Khan v Canelo is going ahead...

Stupid to believe otherwise....

We will see who ends up looking stupid Truss.

Please save this in a folder for later use.

Just you remember this conversation.

Why would he sign to fight him only to drop out ?/............Hardly likely to enhance his popularity in America is it ??...and as he has a huge fight with Brook whenever he wants it and terms he can basically chuck out....Why would he waste two months burning bridges..

He thinks he can do a Mayweather on Canelo......Whether he can remains to be seen.

He thinks he is better than Mayweather. That is his opinion, I won't bash him for it. Rational people know Amir is a good boxer and nothing more.

Poor old Roddy has bought tickets in the Frampo section....

Hope he's dyed his hair ginger...been getting used to drinking guinness and practicing "To be sure...To be sure" in the mirror at night !!

Better than pretending to be from the states.

Welcome aboard Rod.

Either way I win.

If the fight goes ahead I get to see Amir Khan's famous chicken dance as he gets KO'd again.

Or

The fight gets called off, and you can write an open apology on 606v2, which I will print off, frame and keep on the mantle piece.

Bot of which I will enjoy immensely

I don't think he will do the dance, if I'm honest.

Either way I win.

If the fight goes ahead I get to see Amir Khan's famous chicken dance as he gets KO'd again.

Or

The fight gets called off, and you can write an open apology on 606v2, which I will print off, frame and keep on the mantle piece.

Bot of which I will enjoy immensely