Fury v Klit - Compubox highlights the mediocrity.....

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Don't buy into this new Tyson fury......If you rated him before Wlad or didn't rate him....You should hold the same opinion....

Fury 381 punches.............landed "86"..............Landed seven punches a round...

Klit 231 punches..............landed "52"............Landed under 5 punches a round...(Threw less than 20 punches a round!!)

Fury success rate 22.5% .......Waste of space-Wlad success rate....22.5%


Take you back to a fight between Tubbs v witherspoon for the WBA (Yep it's the 80s).....who were derided as over weight slobs......

Over 15 rounds........

Tubbs 486...........landed 185..........That's 38% success rate...

Witherspoon 610..........landed 264.......That's 43%....

Both had higher workrates on average than Fury even though they went 3 rounds longer (Much higher workrate in Tim's case).... and both were more accurate against more technically gifted opposition....

Stats don't tell us everything.......But they point us in certain directions.......

This one is pointing to how mediocre Wlad and Fury were/are..

Half the forum are trolls.

I know that I seem to attract them.....

still at least they are leaving other posters alone..

AdamT wrote:Half the forum are trolls.

Dunno who is a real boxing fan or not nowadays.

I have found if you don't get emotionally attached stick to your boxing and opinions its the best way to go.

Since the day I came to the old 606 I have been labelled etc. And it just follows me everywhere.


But you can be rest assured I am an avid follower of boxing and its my number one sport!

Why don't we all start fresh. Put petty grudges aside. No doubt we will go back to old habits, but for what it is worth, this forum is potentially a good place to learn about boxing. The banter is good, as long as nobody gets carried away.

Haven't got a grudge with anyone....

Some posters feel inadequate....You aren't going to change that..

Actually neither do I. I only tried to alert the moderators, to see if they would even say anything to you. School yard childish prank.

The funny thing is trouble only seems to follow certain posters around. I am always curious how other posters are capable of existing on here pretty much free from any hassle. Let's take milky as an example, is on here pretty much every day. Offers his opinions whether they are a consensus view or otherwise, joins in the banter or chiding of other posters but can do so without falling out with anyone or falling foul of the moderation team.

Odd that him and several others can manage this but a small handful are repeatedly incapable of doing likewise.

I agree Rowley, but when a poster tries to change, someone will bait them. It's like you are labelled.

Rowley wrote:The funny thing is trouble only seems to follow certain posters around. I am always curious how other posters are capable of existing on here pretty much free from any hassle. Let's take milky as an example, is on here pretty much every day. Offers his opinions whether they are a consensus view or otherwise, joins in the banter or chiding of other posters but can do so without falling out with anyone or falling foul of the moderation team.

Odd that him and several others can manage this but a small handful are repeatedly incapable of doing likewise.

Milky is an old man so I cut him some slack. He's been watching boxing from the days of Sonny Liston.

I (thankfully) didn't watch the fight but I did listen to it on the radio and it sounded like the commentators were desperately trying to think of something to say as each round went on. Wlad was so gun-shy it was crazy and Fury as stated above only did enough to win the fight - he's got a lot of bulk to lug around so why waste energy?

I don't rate Fury - I never have, but he and his team had Wlad worked out and that is why he won the title. You can make statistics say almost anything with a bit of spin, but Trussy's bang on with this one - the two boxers were poor on the night.

Thing to remember is people watch the heavies to see knockouts, not hugging, grabbing, missing and clowning. The sooner both Wlad and Fury are out of the picture the better. I don't think either are a good advert for the Heavyweight king.

Rowley wrote:Odd that him and several others can manage this but a small handful are repeatedly incapable of doing likewise

I did my best to get the Carl Froch v DeGale thread back on track many times. In return I had one member post the words of 'Calzaghe was born in England' on about 10 different occasions. Prior to this I also had one certain member who follows me everywhere tell me that it's a good job I don't want kids as "they'd turn out an abomination". I know I have been a bit of a knob in the past (and even now at times ) but I feel that certain members will always use something from the past against you even when you try to be decent. At least Dave seems to have stopped posting on here this week mind. He was the worst of the lot on here

Rowley wrote:The funny thing is trouble only seems to follow certain posters around. I am always curious how other posters are capable of existing on here pretty much free from any hassle. Let's take milky as an example, is on here pretty much every day. Offers his opinions whether they are a consensus view or otherwise, joins in the banter or chiding of other posters but can do so without falling out with anyone or falling foul of the moderation team.

Odd that him and several others can manage this but a small handful are repeatedly incapable of doing likewise.

Milky doesn't write any articles......

Look at the thread..............It's just a bullying attempt...simple as...

Bullying???

I don't like Froch...you all know that. I slate him a lot. Does it hurt anyone one here...NO

And people like Hammersmith harrier are more than welcome to come back with 'Isn't Calzaghe the one who was a drug using cheat? As in took cocaine and cheated on his partner'

But when they also come back with 'It's a good thing you don't want kids as they'd turn out an abomination'

That's just a nasty personal insult and quite frankly a spiteful thing to say to another member

Slate each others boxers by all means but leave out the personal insults

AdamT wrote:Bullying???

Yes of course......

trying to bully little ol me..

The Fury and Wlad fight was dire and is a bit of a reflection of the division at the minute.


Tyson Fury being the champ, Joshua fighting for a title and Wilder fighting glorified journeymen.

No wonder Haye fancied coming back to dip his toe in. A 90 second pasting was all it took to throw his name seriously in to the mix. .

If the division was thriving that would be the case.

Mr Bounce wrote:I (thankfully) didn't watch the fight but I did listen to it on the radio and it sounded like the commentators were desperately trying to think of something to say as each round went on. Wlad was so gun-shy it was crazy and Fury as stated above only did enough to win the fight - he's got a lot of bulk to lug around so why waste energy?

I don't rate Fury - I never have, but he and his team had Wlad worked out and that is why he won the title. You can make statistics say almost anything with a bit of spin, but Trussy's bang on with this one - the two boxers were poor on the night.

Thing to remember is people watch the heavies to see knockouts, not hugging, grabbing, missing and clowning. The sooner both Wlad and Fury are out of the picture the better. I don't think either are a good advert for the Heavyweight king.

Worth remembering Fury only won 7-5 against a guy throwing 20 punches a round and landing 5..

Steffan wrote:

Rowley wrote:Odd that him and several others can manage this but a small handful are repeatedly incapable of doing likewise

I did my best to get the Carl Froch v DeGale thread back on track many times. In return I had one member post the words of 'Calzaghe was born in England' on about 10 different occasions. Prior to this I also had one certain member who follows me everywhere tell me that it's a good job I don't want kids as "they'd turn out an abomination". I know I have been a bit of a knob in the past (and even now at times ) but I feel that certain members will always use something from the past against you even when you try to be decent. At least Dave seems to have stopped posting on here this week mind. He was the worst of the lot on here

And this is the key point that you can not have an opinion around here without people constantly following you around commenting the same things over an over.

I try to join in most articles, and certain posters write the words "McGuigan" - that debate, of which I made my points well, was over 8 years ago. 8 years of people following me about writing " McGuigan" - doesn't bother me anymore.

Now people just follow me about writing derogatory Irish stuff or saying things like "Oh we know why you don't like the English" or "Here he comes with more nationality stuff".

Let me tell you this I enjoy lots of English fighters, and I am a keen fan of Josh Warrington, loved Ricky Hatton, and never missed a Carl Froch fight, I have a liking for George Groves ( don't hate me for that! lol) and loved the battles Kevin Mitchell was involved in, I believe Callum Smith is a huge talent and O'Hara Davies, I believe Scott Quigg is a workhorse, and Tony Bellew a good pundit.

All of those "Sheng hates the English" believers don't really matter to me anymore, and don't really know me. But the MODS do need to start focusing on those that come here to genuinely debate and those that just go about writing one or two words to stir up trouble.

Bet someone now writes " McGuigan" lol.....

Steffan wrote:I don't like Froch...you all know that. I slate him a lot. Does it hurt anyone one here...NO

And people like Hammersmith harrier are more than welcome to come back with 'Isn't Calzaghe the one who was a drug using cheat? As in took cocaine and cheated on his partner'

But when they also come back with 'It's a good thing you don't want kids as they'd turn out an abomination'

That's just a nasty personal insult and quite frankly a spiteful thing to say to another member

Slate each others boxers by all means but leave out the personal insults

That should have been an automatic ban, when I read that I thought it was one of the worst things I have seen on 606 in quite some time.

It has no place on a boxing forum, I like the banter along with everyone else, but that's just nasty.

We are living in sensitive times..

shenglong2015 wrote:

Steffan wrote:I don't like Froch...you all know that. I slate him a lot. Does it hurt anyone one here...NO

And people like Hammersmith harrier are more than welcome to come back with 'Isn't Calzaghe the one who was a drug using cheat? As in took cocaine and cheated on his partner'

But when they also come back with 'It's a good thing you don't want kids as they'd turn out an abomination'

That's just a nasty personal insult and quite frankly a spiteful thing to say to another member

Slate each others boxers by all means but leave out the personal insults

That should have been an automatic ban, when I read that I thought it was one of the worst things I have seen on 606 in quite some time.

It has no place on a boxing forum, I like the banter along with everyone else, but that's just nasty.

Yeah if it had been the lovely Dave then I would have expected it. Recently Mr 667 has only come on here to try out the latest insult he has come up with. But while me and HH will never be best of mates I would never say that to him or any other member

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:We are living in sensitive times..

Your the one saying you have been bullied?

RanjitPatel wrote:The Fury and Wlad fight was dire and is a bit of a reflection of the division at the minute.


Tyson Fury being the champ, Joshua fighting for a title and Wilder fighting glorified journeymen.

No wonder Haye fancied coming back to dip his toe in. A 90 second pasting was all it took to throw his name seriously in to the mix. .

If the division was thriving that would be the case.

Spot on Ranjit,that just about sums it up, garbage division.

shenglong2015 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:We are living in sensitive times..

Your the one saying you have been bullied?

I said it was a bullying attempt......

Can't be bullied if you don't give a crap......

Only about two people on here who's opinion interests me......Although I like to slum it..

Nico the gman wrote:

RanjitPatel wrote:The Fury and Wlad fight was dire and is a bit of a reflection of the division at the minute.


Tyson Fury being the champ, Joshua fighting for a title and Wilder fighting glorified journeymen.

No wonder Haye fancied coming back to dip his toe in. A 90 second pasting was all it took to throw his name seriously in to the mix. .

If the division was thriving that would be the case.

Spot on Ranjit,that just about sums it up, garbage division.

Until the fighters become more aesthetic I can't see it prospering.....

Listen to Bert Sugar. I thought you were dead??

I can't believe you want Wlad to win he is dull as dishwater

Fury winning was great for boxing made the hw division exciting again

If that hadn't happened then wlad would still hold all the belts hostage

BoxingFan88 wrote:I can't believe you want Wlad to win he is dull as dishwater

Fury winning was great for boxing made the hw division exciting again

If that hadn't happened then wlad would still hold all the belts hostage

Didn't mind Wlad, quite intelligent, could watch HW title fights at 10pm instead of 4/5am, fought quite regularly. Alright not everyone's cup of tea but mark my words this Fury era is gonna be a lot worse.

Lets hope it ends in May when Klitschko avenges his defeat.

Although I think if Wlad wins he may retire....

Fury won't last long.......Haye and Joshua both knock him out..

But he is preferable to the Klits despite his flaws..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Fury won't last long.......Haye and Joshua both knock him out..

Why Haye just out of interest?

He couldn't do anything against Wlad who was a bigger fighter and Fury is even bigger.

Yes Haye is the better boxer with more power but Fury has more than enough in his range with the jab and lean on Haye to take points victory

Wlad was considered a great heavy by some........Haye has already seen a cruiser dump the lump on his butt.

Haye vs Fury makes the most commercial sense if Haye can go out and beat a top contender. What chance does he have? A big one, if Cunningham can drop Fury I wouldn't put it miles out of reach of Haye.

Still fancy Wlad to be a bit braver this time round though. That is assuming the rematch happens as haven't heard a noise.

Klitchko v Fury was a fairly rubbish fight between a hugely overrated and hugely underrated boxer to be fair.

Going with the theme of the article, I guess if you rated Klitschko one of the greatest heavyweights in history (plenty on here do) and you rated Fury as an unskilled oaf (plenty on here do) then you would be left in a bit of a quandry.

catchweight wrote:Klitchko v Fury was a fairly rubbish fight between a hugely overrated and hugely underrated boxer to be fair.

Going with the theme of the article, I guess if you rated Klitschko one of the greatest heavyweights in history (plenty on here do) and you rated Fury as an unskilled oaf (plenty on here do) then you would be left in a bit of a quandry.

Not at all. Timing is everything. Wlad is what 39? I don't have to rate Leon Spinks because he beat Ali when Ali was 36.

p.s. I don't think Fury is an unskilled oaf.

Hardly a comparison. Ali was washed up completely. Klitschko had shown little if any deterioration.

Pretty awful comparison. One was totally shot to sh*t and the other hadn't lost for years and barely lost a round in that time.

shenglong2015 wrote:

LivinginItaly wrote:I would suggest it was more a case of vlad having nothing to lose in the 12th round as Jew knew he was behind and so had to go for it. In a rematch i think vlad would start just as cautiously, as he is scared of getting hit. If he had gone for it earlier he might have take fury out. But he didn't. To quote mike tyson everybody has a plan until they get hit in the face.

So you think if he had gone for the fight earlier he may have taken Fury out.

However Wlad will not do this in the rematch because??

Because you are the boxing oracle and a man that has been HW champion for 11 years will not have worked this out however "Livinginitaly" on Boxing 606v2 has worked this out...you truly are the boxing God.

Make sure you don't give too much of your knowledge away so cheaply.....

Sorry! I was under the impression that this was a forum where people were free to give their own humble opinions, however wrong they might actually be.

I used to hear Jim Watt say that a top fighter would "have a look" at another fighter for the first round and then turn it on from there on. It seemed like Wlad had a look for 12 rounds.

Saying that, Fury did the bare minimum punches thrown wise to win the fight although his movement clearly befuddled Wlad. That and I reckon he got into his head with all the antics in the build up.

Either that or Wlad is shot. I'd don't think he is though and believe that Fury has to be much better to win the rematch.

If Wladimir Klitscho can't beat Tyson Fury with 2 goes at him then I'll be even more astounded than I was when Tyson won the first meeting.

I've always been a fan of Fury and would likely support him against anyone else in the division but Wlad threw the fight away and I can't see him doing it again.

Im struggling to get my head around what happened in this fight. To say I was constantly underwhelmed by fury up to that point would be an understatement.

Could it just have been a case of Wlad fighting garbage opponents for so long that when the first semi live one came he long, he under estimated him?

Regardless of his achievement I don't rate fury at all and think he will lose soon enough and maybe that's doing him a disservice but he isn't particularly good in any department apart from that he's a tall heavy lump.

Fury is not a great heavyweight, although hes nowhere near as rubbish as many paint him out to be. He highlighted how limited and over-sold Klitschko has been as a fighter though. The post Manny Steward unbreakable jab and grab routine and all that....

Fury will always have to be weary of punchers. I thought Wlad would ko him and was wrong there but Wlad is a boxer that can hit hard. He's fought to the same rhythm since he signed up with Steward where he learned to protect his chin. He's not like a Povetkin or Joshua who's aim is to knock you out as quickly as possible.

I'd say as long as the 2 I've mentioned and Wilder don't show Fury's own power respect then they'll stop him.

As I've said, I'm a fan and i may be doing him a disservice,however, I can't agree that he's a fav over the rest of the division in head to heads. They don't take into account his own glaring deficiencies which will come to the fire against a puncher.

We'll have to wait and see but I think the Wlad win was a one off.

shenglong2015 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

shenglong2015 wrote:

LivinginItaly wrote:I would suggest it was more a case of vlad having nothing to lose in the 12th round as Jew knew he was behind and so had to go for it. In a rematch i think vlad would start just as cautiously, as he is scared of getting hit. If he had gone for it earlier he might have take fury out. But he didn't. To quote mike tyson everybody has a plan until they get hit in the face.

So you think if he had gone for the fight earlier he may have taken Fury out.

However Wlad will not do this in the rematch because??

Because you are the boxing oracle and a man that has been HW champion for 11 years will not have worked this out however "Livinginitaly" on Boxing 606v2 has worked this out...you truly are the boxing God.

Make sure you don't give too much of your knowledge away so cheaply.....

Childish response.

He's spouting no more rubbish than you do 99/100.

On the contrary there are too many armchair experts on this forum, people saying how Wlad could have won, and how he wont change his tactics in the rematch, but haven't laced a glove in their entire lives. So I feel its very valid.

On the back end of your insult about me and my "rubbish" I literally don't care what you think of my views and how this has any relevance other than to envoke further retaliation through more insults, which I can not be bothered with.  

I'm here to talk boxing chaps. Not my fault you have all lost your way.

In addition I am not surprised at all that you have been banned recently.

Why would you need to have laced up gloves to have an opinion?

Wlad has found a way to box that protects his chin and gets him wins, this is a style he has used for the last 10+ years.

Fury found a way to combat that, moving around the ring as crazily as a fly trying to get through a closed window. This upset Wlad and didn't allow him to use his normal game plan, for 12 rounds he was just there and confused.

Will he go back to a more exciting style he had before but left him vulnerable (his other defeats) or will again try to do what he has done for years that has worked.

Will Fury use the same game plan or will he again adjust his style.

Fury is much better than he is given credit for. If he is dedicated he will be champion a long time. AJ will look frustrated when the bigger Fury moves around him.

David Haye is the potential banana skin. I would never cancel him out in a heavyweight fight.

Damned lies and statistics ey? Someone could have read the OP and ascertained that Witherspoon and Tubbs were of the "defend with my forehead", volition.

If you look at wlads face at the end of the fight, you can see that Tyson did way more than just dance around like a fly trying to find a window.

It wasn't a great fight but Tyson did more than just befuddle wlad.

Tyson gets a lot of sh1t. It is only my opinion, but I think if he is switched on, he will beat all these guys. Joshua is very musclebound. I think he would struggle badly with Fury.

Though if he did land early, it could be curtains for Tyson.

Adam D wrote:If you look at wlads face at the end of the fight, you can see that Tyson did way more than just dance around like a fly trying to find a window.

It wasn't a great fight but Tyson did more than just befuddle wlad.

You really are a Tyson fan boy...

7-5 in rounds against a guy that threw 20 punches a round landing 4...

Not great really..

He did stop Wlad throwing leather. Wlad might not be great Truss, but no one else got the job done. Terrible fight, but Fury did what he had to do.

Look at some of Floyd's fights. He might land his punches, but he doesn't throw many.

Fury isn't great but he has an innate survival instinct that can't be taught. He's experienced: been knocked down and got up to win, been wobbled and regrouped, boxed southpaw, orthodox, reckless, cagey, out of shape, in shape.

He could just be the best all-rounder of the lot. His toughest fight is the Wlad rematch. I think he strolls past Wilder, outlasts Haye and possibly outwits Joshua (who hasn't picked up a lot of ring-craft).

Let's just hope he gets rid of Wlad. It will be tough for him.

Wlad will be seriously motivated in the rematch. He looked really embarrassed. Do you think he will put up a better fight??