News items that dont merit their own thread...thread

[The_Enigma]

First topic message reminder :

I totally understand that the majority of you may dislike or have never seen any form of Independent Wrestling so turn a blind eye to it but I truly believe this is such a powerful promo hyping something that we all share here...

This is Mike Quackenbush, founder of Chikara Pro and I quite frankly consider him to be one of the best storytellers in the business. Enjoy.

[Samo]

Cant wait to see 'Fractured' Matt Hardy make his debut and coin his new catchphrase 'ERASE! ERASE! ERASE!'

[Kay Fabe]

Paige and Del Rio getting married today apparently.

She's just an utter wreck, this generations Sunny

Del Rio also in a round about way accusing 'the company' of trying to break them up and releasing the sex tapes, the guy is hell bent on getting her sacked, shes more naive and stupid now than she was when she allowed herself to get tag teamed on film

[Scott is Back]

Paige and Del Rio getting married today apparently.

She's just an utter wreck, this generations Sunny

Based on the recent photo's, she is more like Moony

[Kay Fabe]

She'll be in rehab or a box within a few years, shes a tragedy waiting to happen.

[Beer]

Yep, so easily influenced.

I don't care how naive you are, you don't get tag teamed by your boyfriends mate unless you're either a man sausage hungry promiscuous, or desperate for attention/friends. I think she's probably both.

As for ADR, dude is what? 40? Needs to grow up as much as her.

[marty2086]

Yep, so easily influenced.

I don't care how naive you are, you don't get tag teamed by your boyfriends mate unless you're either a man sausage hungry promiscuous, or desperate for attention/friends. I think she's probably both.

As for ADR, dude is what? 40? Needs to grow up as much as her.

What an ignorant and narrow minded approach, what goes on between consenting adults is their own business. Maybe you need to do a bit of growing up yourself

[Electric Demon]

Think this is all a bit judgemental

If they genuinely love each other, which no-one here has any idea if they do or not, then it's not messed up if they want to get married. That's their choice. It's certainly not indicative of her ending up dead - that's ridiculous.

Likewise, people have sex, they have all sorts of different kinds of sex and that is their right as consenting adults. What she was doing was far from abnormal. As someone put here here the other day, Paige is the victim of a crime here.

Christ, the male wrestlers get up to much worse, particularly 10-20 years ago. I guess they are just top lads though

[marty2086]

Think this is all a bit judgemental

If they genuinely love each other, which no-one here has any idea if they do or not, then it's not messed up if they want to get married. That's their choice. It's certainly not indicative of her ending up dead - that's ridiculous.

Likewise, people have sex, they have all sorts of different kinds of sex and that is their right as consenting adults. What she was doing was far from abnormal. As someone put here here the other day, Paige is the victim of a crime here.

Christ, the male wrestlers get up to much worse, particularly 10-20 years ago. I guess they are just top lads though

Forget that, Orton and Cena have reputations for it and it was two male wrestlers who were tag teaming her

[Electric Demon]

Think this is all a bit judgemental

If they genuinely love each other, which no-one here has any idea if they do or not, then it's not messed up if they want to get married. That's their choice. It's certainly not indicative of her ending up dead - that's ridiculous.

Likewise, people have sex, they have all sorts of different kinds of sex and that is their right as consenting adults. What she was doing was far from abnormal. As someone put here here the other day, Paige is the victim of a crime here.

Christ, the male wrestlers get up to much worse, particularly 10-20 years ago. I guess they are just top lads though

Forget that, Orton and Cena have reputations for it and it was two male wrestlers who were tag teaming her

Good point isn't one of them hosting Wrestlemania?

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I agree and disagree.

Nowt wrong with doing it, each to their own. But you're dumb to let someone film this stuff when you're somewhat high-profile. And she seems to keep making these kind of pig-headed calls

[Beer]

Yep, so easily influenced.

I don't care how naive you are, you don't get tag teamed by your boyfriends mate unless you're either a man sausage hungry promiscuous, or desperate for attention/friends. I think she's probably both.

As for ADR, dude is what? 40? Needs to grow up as much as her.

What an ignorant and narrow minded approach, what goes on between consenting adults is their own business. Maybe you need to do a bit of growing up yourself

Please explain how that is narrow minded? Or ignorant?

Letting a guy film himself 'climaxing' on the WWE NXT title belt hardly screams class does it? Fair enough if she's just made a couple of home movies, but I think these are a bit different.

As for ADR, blaming the WWE? Yes, cause a company that is trying to aim itself as relatively 'PG' wants to release tapes of one of it's stars acting like that.

[marty2086]

Think this is all a bit judgemental

If they genuinely love each other, which no-one here has any idea if they do or not, then it's not messed up if they want to get married. That's their choice. It's certainly not indicative of her ending up dead - that's ridiculous.

Likewise, people have sex, they have all sorts of different kinds of sex and that is their right as consenting adults. What she was doing was far from abnormal. As someone put here here the other day, Paige is the victim of a crime here.

Christ, the male wrestlers get up to much worse, particularly 10-20 years ago. I guess they are just top lads though

Forget that, Orton and Cena have reputations for it and it was two male wrestlers who were tag teaming her

Good point isn't one of them hosting Wrestlemania?

Yip, he's always filming his threesomes

[marty2086]

Yep, so easily influenced.

I don't care how naive you are, you don't get tag teamed by your boyfriends mate unless you're either a man sausage hungry promiscuous, or desperate for attention/friends. I think she's probably both.

As for ADR, dude is what? 40? Needs to grow up as much as her.

What an ignorant and narrow minded approach, what goes on between consenting adults is their own business. Maybe you need to do a bit of growing up yourself

Please explain how that is narrow minded? Or ignorant?

Letting a guy film himself 'climaxing' on the WWE NXT title belt hardly screams class does it? Fair enough if she's just made a couple of home movies, but I think these are a bit different.

As for ADR, blaming the WWE? Yes, cause a company that is trying to aim itself as relatively 'PG' wants to release tapes of one of it's stars acting like that.

How is it narrow minded to think there are only a few reasons to have a threesome?

[Beer]

Yep, so easily influenced.

I don't care how naive you are, you don't get tag teamed by your boyfriends mate unless you're either a man sausage hungry promiscuous, or desperate for attention/friends. I think she's probably both.

As for ADR, dude is what? 40? Needs to grow up as much as her.

What an ignorant and narrow minded approach, what goes on between consenting adults is their own business. Maybe you need to do a bit of growing up yourself

Please explain how that is narrow minded? Or ignorant?

Letting a guy film himself 'climaxing' on the WWE NXT title belt hardly screams class does it? Fair enough if she's just made a couple of home movies, but I think these are a bit different.

As for ADR, blaming the WWE? Yes, cause a company that is trying to aim itself as relatively 'PG' wants to release tapes of one of it's stars acting like that.

How is it narrow minded to think there are only a few reasons to have a threesome?

Threesome, not so much. But a threesome that she's allowing to be filmed, quite graphically. Not only that, but if you've seen the video, Maddox is being filmed, filming her.

The videos that came out don't do her any favours, and they paint her in a light that confirms that. Take the celebrity status out of it, if that was the local bike in your local dive of a nightclub, she'd be getting absolute pelters from everyone. Sl*t this, wh*re that. Why is Paige any different?

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Because they shouldn't be getting those comments in the first place, nor is the term bike acceptable, and people conform to this stand point more when talking about ideals of treatment through the highlighting of the topic

[Samo]

#DivasRevolution

[Beer]

Because they shouldn't be getting those comments in the first place, nor is the term bike acceptable, and people conform to this stand point more when talking about ideals of treatment through the highlighting of the topic

You're telling me you've never in your life been derogatory towards someone promiscuous?

[Fernando]

Shut up you whores

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Because they shouldn't be getting those comments in the first place, nor is the term bike acceptable, and people conform to this stand point more when talking about ideals of treatment through the highlighting of the topic

You're telling me you've never in your life been derogatory towards someone promiscuous?

I've been derogatory towards children in hats and dogs that are too small, but there's a difference between outward and public, serious and sincere.

Your argument seems to be that Paige should get names slinged at her because others get it. But that's not right.

The only thing she did wrong was film and save it when in a high-profile position. Which is naive and unwise, rather than wrong

[Beer]

I'm not saying that, I'm saying her actions and the images and videos that have come out have provoked it.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Oh they have provoked it, but it does say a lot of those people, really. No criticism of Woods or even Maddox.

In amongst it, the point on Paige is that the PG notions of WWE can forgive this on its own (not that it needs forgiving, but reality is they will feel that way) but she has carried on in a way they haven't liked for a while.

As wrong as they have been about trying to run her life, it's also what is happening

[Beer]

I'm sure there has, but, he (Maddox) was a nobody essentially in WWE, and Wood's isn't exactly top of the pile.

Maddox is a scumbag for sure, he's obviously exploited a very impressionable, naive young girl and that's despicable; but, she knew what she was doing, she went along with it.

This wasn't just a sex tape, this was stuff filmed backstage, in locker rooms etc. Compromising positions with other performers. It highlights a seedy part of that industry that until now was just rumours, hearsay and presumption.

Ultimately, she's a role model, with troubled issues and situations at the moment, and if anything the issues the WWE have with her are going to be spotlighted because of this, most notably, the shot with the title belt.

I get that everyone is entitled to a private life, to make home movies etc, but we also live in a world where this stuff is gettable for low lifes who wish to exploit it, it's not new, it's not unheard of.

[marty2086]

[Beer]

When did she release that?

[Fernando]

Simon Gotch released.

I imagine this is the start of the annual post WM purge of Superstars.

[NickisBHAFC]

Darren Young surely.

[Samo]

English will probably follow. I think the fact Darren Young is openly gay means he has a job for life - regardless of how Poopie he is. It would be a PR nightmare for WWE to try and justify releasing the only gay talent they have.

Sin Cara probably due the chop though.

[Crimey]

Simon Gotch was released because he was absolutely hated backstage. Supposedly people like Aiden English and think that he's worth a shot. Gotch on the other hand was considered an unsafe worker and a massive a-hole.

[Ché Guerrero]

Aiden's married to Eddie's daughter isn't he?

[NickisBHAFC]

Was Gotch the one who threw Enzo on the floor?

[marty2086]

Was Gotch the one who threw Enzo on the floor?

He was but that wasn't his fault

[Beer]

He started a fight with Kalisto didn't he?

[Ché Guerrero]

I get confused who's who. Gotch looks like Hitler right?

[Fernando]

[Crimey]

He was in a fight with Sin Cara.

Also he wasn't particularly to blame for the accident with Enzo, but he can be blamed for then picking Enzo up by the head. Loads of ex-wrestlers commented on how dangerous and stupid that was. He also supposedly got a lot of heat backstage for it.

[Ché Guerrero]

Getting into a fight with Sin Cara doesn't seem difficult

[Kay Fabe]

I didn't even know he he was, I know English and was familiar with that tag team but didn't even bother learning his name.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Mental to think how over they got in NXT and then just flopped. I suppose the answer to that is that in NXT they got time to build and flourish, where you don't get that on the main shows.

Hope English gets a chance but outside of Marky's joke about a Gallagher pairing, I'm not sure he is gonna make it alone.

[Kay Fabe]

with that type of character, the whole very, very old school gimmick then I think you have to go hard or go home, you have to make them relevant from the get go, if not I don't think they had a strong enough gimmick to be a slow burner, they had to make the fans care about them ASAP to survive, I put The Ascension in that bracket too, in NXT they looked every bit a badass team but on the main roster they faded into everyones shadow.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Indeed. And when that didn't happen, it got decided they were bad and then didn't have the time to prove themselves in the ring or on the mic to get the support from the crowd you need to win back trust in the back. Cycle of s*** really

[Beer]

Wrestling Inc reporting that English is getting a push now Gotch has been released.

[Samo]

Mauro Ranallo has removed all mention of WWE from his Twitter bio. He's currently off TV having suffered a Bi-Polar related episode. Rumours circulating that JBL may have been part of the problem.

Hope he's not finished, he was a breath of fresh air on commentary and mental illness is serious business. I hope the JBL rumours arent true but with his track record and Justin Roberts latest allegations it doesnt look good.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

The JBL stuff is something once you scratch the surface of it becomes very disheartening

[marty2086]

WWE are completely inconsistent when it comes with dealing with these issues, Bill DeMott was fired for being a bully yet JBL is left untouched despite a well documented history of it, some of it caught on tape.

Suppose when your COO is facing similar accusations you cant do anything

[Samo]

JBL is Vince's golf buddy. He's not going anywhere anytime soon, which is a shame because he's a massive piece of Poopie.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

So according to Keller's report for PWTorch, Roman wasn't Vince's first choice for Taker's opponent at Wrestlemania but Taker insisted that if he was wrestling, this was his retirement match and he wanted to lose to a younger guy. This was not negotiable for Taker. Vince looked at his options and decided to go with Roman, although he did consider others.

[Ché Guerrero]

I wonder if Finn hadnt been injured could it have been him instead

[Marky]

Roman was the right choice. Options would have been limited to him, Ambrose, Rollins or Owens.

I'd have loved to see Owens be the one to retire Taker, but no qualms about Reigns doing it.

[Kay Fabe]

I'd imagine Vince's first choice woulda been Cena but for me Roman was definitely the right choice to beat him, even if he didn't retire him, the whole set up with Lesnar over who the best man really is was too good to let it pass by

[Crimey]

Meltzer reports it differently to be fair, that Undertaker requested John Cena and he told him that it would be Roman Reigns instead. So I guess it's about who you believe.

Mauro Ranallo is very unlikely to ever return to work at WWE. Expect he'll go back to NJPW and his other commentating that he's done previously.

The JBL bullying story is gaining some traction now so hopefully he's sacked to save face.

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