England v Ireland; Six Nations Round 3

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ENGLAND vs  IRELAND

Date: Saturday 27th February 2016
Venue: Twickenham
Kick Off: 16:50 (GMT)
Referee: Romain Poite (FFR)
Asst Refs: Nigel Owens (WRU), Alexandre Ruiz (FFR)
TMO: Shaun Veldsman (SARU)
TV Coverage: Live on ITV, RTE, FR2


Head to Head

Played - 119
Wins - 65/47
Draws - 7
Points - 1443/1037


Current Form

England:
W 40-9 v Italy
W 15-9 v Scotland
W 60-3 v Uruguay

Ireland:
L 9-10 v France
D 16-16 v wales
L 20-43 v Argentina


Recent Meetings

05/09/15 England 21 Ireland 13
01/03015 Ireland 19 England 9
22/02/14 England 13 Ireland 10
10/02/13 Ireland 6 England 12
17/03/12 England 30 Ireland 9



Teams

England


1 Joe Marler (Harlequins, 39 caps)
2 Dylan Hartley (captain, Northampton Saints, 68 caps)
3 Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 58 caps)
4 Maro Itoje (Saracens, 1 cap)
5 George Kruis (Saracens, 12 caps)
6 Chris Robshaw (Harlequins, 45 caps)
7 James Haskell (Wasps, 64 caps)
8 Billy Vunipola (vice captain, Saracens, 23 caps)
9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 54 caps)
10 George Ford (Bath Rugby, 19 caps)
11 Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs, 12 caps)
12 Owen Farrell (vice captain, Saracens, 37 caps)
13 Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 18 caps)
14 Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 17 caps)
15 Mike Brown (vice captain, Harlequins, 45 caps)
Replacements
16 Jamie George (Saracens, 5 caps)
17 Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 30 caps)
18 Paul Hill (Northampton Saints, 1 cap)
19 Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 44 caps)
20 Jack Clifford (Harlequins, 2 caps)
21 Danny Care (Harlequins, 56 caps)
22 Elliot Daly (Wasps, uncapped)
23 Alex Goode (Saracens, 20 caps)


Ireland


15. Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 68
14. Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster) 60
13. Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Connacht) 17
12. Stuart McCloskey (Ballynahinch/Ulster)*
11. Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 47
10. Jonathan Sexton (St Mary's College/Leinster) 58
9. Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 44
1. Jack McGrath (St. Mary's College/Leinster) 27
2. Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) Captain 91
3. Mike Ross (Clontarf/Leinster) 56
4. Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster) 36
5. Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 33
6. CJ Stander (Munster) 2
7. Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster)*
8. Jamie Heaslip (Dublin University/Leinster) Vice Captain 82

Replacements
16. Richard Strauss (Old Wesley/Leinster) 14
17. Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 56
18. Nathan White (Connacht) 10
19. Ultane Dillane (Corinthians/Connacht)*
20. Rhys Ruddock (St Mary's College/Leinster) 7
21. Eoin Reddan (Old Crescent/Leinster) 68
22. Ian Madigan (Blackrock College/Leinster) 27
23. Simon Zebo (Cork Con/Munster) 22

New page.

what can we moan about now?

Personally I reckon it was Wayne Barnes fault.

LondonTiger wrote:New page.

what can we moan about now?

Personally I reckon it was Wayne Barnes fault.

Ah, good one tiger. Barnes - well he is refereeing the Falcons v Wuss match on Friday and I'm not very confident from a Worcester point of view. Now if Heaf were here he'd tell me that Barnes will favour Wuss in order to get rid of London Irish. I'm pretty sure that he'll send off o'callahan again.

gregortree wrote:Google Rory Gallagher song list.

It was the 'Wales v England thread' that baffled me

gregortree wrote:Google Rory Gallagher song list.

LondonTiger wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Is this still going? Flip me. I thought it was the Ireland-Wales game that usually resulted in this sort of nonsense. What happened?

The Irish won't admit they're  not as knowledgeable as the French, Saffer and Scottish officials involved

to be fair when have your countrymen ever backed down, especially when wrong?

But sure we're never wrong

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Is this still going? Flip me. I thought it was the Ireland-Wales game that usually resulted in this sort of nonsense. What happened?

No no no, it's the England-Wales games that always see threads go this way. Though the Scots will insist that it's the Scotland-Wales games that go this way. Hmm starting to see a pattern here...
Anyway, back to the England-Ireland thread that was going so well until the Welsh arrived

stub wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:New page.

what can we moan about now?

Personally I reckon it was Wayne Barnes fault.

Ah, good one tiger. Barnes - well he is refereeing the Falcons v Wuss match on Friday and I'm not very confident from a Worcester point of view. Now if Heaf were here he'd tell me that Barnes will favour Wuss in order to get rid of London Irish. I'm pretty sure that he'll send off o'callahan again.

Busted

PS I think we're stuffed anyway - yet another injury to a key player before the start of the match last week - now we have none of our locks from the start of the season available as well as everything else.   Plus I hear Andy Goode's girdle snapped before the Falcons match last week which may also help you out a bit if he's still out

Ha ha! Thought you might see that! No doubt that you've had a bad time with injuries but you never know - Bath are not that assured and there are plenty of negative vibes heading Craig's way! I'm sure Barnes will stuff us if Newcastle don't..

Have you seen our away results though?  I think Falcons will probably win as they are good at home now, but I think you will probably beat us when we come to you - so it's not looking pretty.  Playing 2 of our 'home' matches away isn't looking too clever now either.

PS apologies to everyone for us going OT but I don't think we've spoiled this thread 

Yep be pretty difficult to further spoil the thread really! Anyway I seem to remember LondonTiger started it!

Sorry not read all 15 pages of whinging, so let me try and kill this thread here and now;

Care has to start against Wales as I thought Youngs was really struggling for form, and though probably playing to the coaches instruction, didn't make any breaks of note that I recall or really perform to his highest standard. Care for me.

There that should do it!

kingelderfield wrote:Sorry not read all 15 pages of whinging, so let me try and kill this thread here and now;

Care has to start against Wales as I thought Youngs was really struggling for form, and though probably playing to the coaches instruction, didn't make any breaks of note that I recall or really perform to his highest standard. Care for me.

There that should do it!

Good luck with that.

Come on. Someone must have something inflammatory to say to get us all going.

englandglory4ever wrote:Come on. Someone must have something inflammatory to say to get us all going.  

We're saving it for your despair Gory - Then we will come in for the kill as we know that when you disappear from 606 you always cautiously and with some trepidation peek in to see what those nasty welsh people are saying much like you did for September and October 2015. I'll be posting on the 14th of March but will not expect you to venture on here until April (2019)

englandglory4ever wrote:Come on. Someone must have something inflammatory to say to get us all going.  

Wayne Barnes the puppet master orchestrated the Irish loss, didn't you know he has mind control? He persuaded Poite to not allow the non Irish try, he appeared to Brown as an apparition, Brown was so spooked he kicked Murray. He's the little demon in the mind of the likes of Haskell, and Farrell who persuades them to do their dark deeds. We say why do Haskell and Farrell have such poor discipline, it's because Wayne Barnes appears to them.

The bogey man whose influence is far reaching. Above everything he hates Ireland. His powers are stronger when he's reffing of course but when he's not he still does what he can....

There's even a rumour that it's been Wayne Barnes who has been coaching Eddie Jones in how to deal with the media...

Ruby will be pleased to see anyone making decent comments day after our game. Feel I should point out that a number of your gobby compatriots went missing for up to 6 months last year.

It would be worth both teams losing if it meant saying ta ta to some of the richards.

beshocked wrote:
Wayne Barnes the puppet master orchestrated the Irish loss, didn't you know he has mind control?

So finally the truth is out there!

Now, now beshocked! Its always best to tell the truth I find. Brown didn't kick Murray did he. Murray headbutted Brown's boot in a deliberate act of foul play while trying to keep hold of the ball that's what really happened. Brown could have been seriously hurt. Surprised Murray wasn't cited.

After wales lose I expect RubyGuppy will come on here saying well done England you played really well and deserved to beat us. On the other hand..

I like your expectations Gory - If you beat us fair and square then you deserve to take the plaudits and hopefully a GS, its long overdue. In my honest opinion its great to see both teams so evenly matched as it just makes it more intriguing and at the moment there's very little to choose. I'll be posting a 21-21 draw in the comp. And by the way where is that fella with the comp updates, I got them all right last weekend and some pretty close calls to - Tell him to get a move on with the updates

RubyGuby wrote:I like your expectations Gory - If you beat us fair and square then you deserve to take the plaudits and hopefully a GS, its long overdue. In my honest opinion its great to see both teams so evenly matched as it just makes it more intriguing and at the moment there's very little to choose. I'll be posting a 21-21 draw in the comp. And by the way where is that fella with the comp updates, I got them all right last weekend and some pretty close calls to - Tell him to get a move on with the updates

Do I detect a chink of uncertainty there Guppy? You know what we're like. One chink and we're in. We're coming to getcha, getcha, getcha.

wrong thread...

Wrong trousers

Upon reflection i think if the game was refereed to a better standard the Irish would have lost by 30+ points, i was screaming at the soft touch the Irish got from the ref.

englandglory4ever wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:I like your expectations Gory - If you beat us fair and square then you deserve to take the plaudits and hopefully a GS, its long overdue. In my honest opinion its great to see both teams so evenly matched as it just makes it more intriguing and at the moment there's very little to choose. I'll be posting a 21-21 draw in the comp. And by the way where is that fella with the comp updates, I got them all right last weekend and some pretty close calls to - Tell him to get a move on with the updates

Do I detect a chink of uncertainty there Guppy? You know what we're like. One chink and we're in. We're coming to getcha, getcha, getcha.

You mustn't confuse a sense of realism with uncertainty Gory but then again I may be asking a bit too much there

Cyril wrote:Brown is fine. If you're looking at full backs, it's Hogg and Liam Williams that are the real problem in rugby.

Yes both are a problem for England as they are much better than Brown and less prone to tantrums.

Gwlad wrote:

Cyril wrote:Brown is fine. If you're looking at full backs, it's Hogg and Liam Williams that are the real problem in rugby.

Yes both are a problem for England as they are much better than Brown and less prone to tantrums.

Only both Hogg and Williams have received red cards in their careers and as far as I can see Mike Brown has not. Fail much?

lostinwales wrote:

Gwlad wrote:

Cyril wrote:Brown is fine. If you're looking at full backs, it's Hogg and Liam Williams that are the real problem in rugby.

Yes both are a problem for England as they are much better than Brown and less prone to tantrums.

Only both Hogg and Williams have received red cards in their careers and as far as I can see Mike Brown has not. Fail much?

Yeah but Brown throws hissy fits and gives childish press interviews when he loses. And he is reckless with his boots.

Gwlad wrote:

lostinwales wrote:

Gwlad wrote:

Cyril wrote:Brown is fine. If you're looking at full backs, it's Hogg and Liam Williams that are the real problem in rugby.

Yes both are a problem for England as they are much better than Brown and less prone to tantrums.

Only both Hogg and Williams have received red cards in their careers and as far as I can see Mike Brown has not. Fail much?

Yeah but Brown throws hissy fits and gives childish press interviews when he loses. And he is reckless with his boots.

Brown in not reckless with his boot.

Unlike you with your comments on anything too do with England.

majesticimperialman wrote:

Gwlad wrote:

lostinwales wrote:

Gwlad wrote:

Cyril wrote:Brown is fine. If you're looking at full backs, it's Hogg and Liam Williams that are the real problem in rugby.

Yes both are a problem for England as they are much better than Brown and less prone to tantrums.

Only both Hogg and Williams have received red cards in their careers and as far as I can see Mike Brown has not. Fail much?

Yeah but Brown throws hissy fits and gives childish press interviews when he loses. And he is reckless with his boots.

Brown in not reckless with his boot.

Unlike you with your comments on anything too do with England.

Wow, love how you juxtaposed Brown's boots with my comments on England….stunning wordplay.

I'd say any reasonable person would accept that when you kick someone in the head and cause them to incur a wound requiring stitches, you are reckless. Or is that the objective of the game?

It was an accident by Brown. Time to move on. England deservedly won. Time to wait until next season.

13 comments by an assortment of English and Welsh posters there Hale... before your 'let's move on' line.

Yes, let's move on (On to the Welsh/English thread obviously ). The Irish certainly have