Most overrated wrestlers of all time?

Ugo.com have put forward the following list of who they believe are the 25 most overrated wrestlers of all time:

1. HHH
2. Hulk Hogan
3. Giant Baba
4. Jerry Lawler
5. Miss Elizabeth
6. Mr Perfect
7. Christian
8. Owen Hart
9. Dean Malenko
10. Scott Hall
11. Gorgeous George
12. Randy Orton
13. Mike Quakenbush
14. William Regal
15. Mr Anderson
16. Christopher Daniels
17. Finlay
18. Sabu
19. Jeff Jarrett
20. Verne Gagne
21. Shelton Benjamin
22. Jerry Lynn
23. Alberto Del Rio
24. Arn Anderson
25. Kevin Nash

Your thoughts?

Im sorry but how is HHH overrated? I think they need a good

I think the only one on that list I would really agree with is Christian. HHH doesnt deserve to be number 1 by any means. Fair enough, some people arent happy with his position in the company, but for me, hes a talented worker who always gets the best out of opponents. Hell, he even made Eugene look good.

Sorry but I honestly think that list is a load of rubbish. But to be fair, these lists are always very subjective so my opinion doesn't really mean anything. :lol:

That Chris Jericho isn't on that list is a travesty

Is that list a joke?

User Name wrote:Is that list a joke?

No it’s not a joke, but the views of a company, it’s been posted up on Lords of Pain.
Whilst there are obviously controversial names on the list are they in fact overrated in the eyes of many, especially in regards to the IWC?

I honestly think this is a joke, Mr Perfect and Owen Hart overrated?? Ridiculous. But then again, I like Cena so what do I know :lol:

Owen Hart for me is a perfect example of an overrated wrestler. His death however unfortunate raised his stock tenfold as to how highly regarded he was. The guy was never main event standard.

Well, none of my top three on on there! For the record, my top three are Undertaker, Sting and Tommy Dreamer.
I've commented on whether I agree or disagree...

1. HHH - He's overhyped, but most people know that. He's good, but nowhere near great, and I think anyone who says he is great has swallowed WWE's marketing
2. Hulk Hogan - Overrated by whom? All those people who say he was a great worker?! I don't think overrated is the right word. The fact is his charisma and promo skills have made tens of millions of dollars.
3. Giant Baba - Same as Hogan really. Nobody says he's a great worker.
4. Jerry Lawler - I think it's very difficult to say. He's not a great athlete and never has been, but like Hogan he can tell a dramatic story and can talk, and has sold tickets consistently throughout his career.
5. Miss Elizabeth - I can see why she's on the list. She had very little personality, and benefited from being the only pretty woman in the WWF! In WCW she really didn't stand out.
6. Mr Perfect - Definitely overrated. He was a very good wrestler, decent promo, but never stood out as the guy you'd build your company around. People look back at his career with rose-tinted glasses; he had very few excellent matches.
7. Christian - I agree with this. He's good, but not world title level as many believe.
8. Owen Hart - Certainly his death has brought extra attention to his talent. Another who was good but a top of the midcard wrestler. Similar to Hennig and Christian in that regard.
9. Dean Malenko - He certainly wasn't a main event player. He was a useful guy to have in the midcard though. I think he was a very good technical wrestler but perhaps overrated for his overall skills.
10. Scott Hall - I agree with this. Many people say he should have won world titles. I think he deserved to be around the main events occasionally but no more than that. He had charisma and could talk but his in-ring skill is vastly overrated.
11. Gorgeous George - Presuming they mean the 1950s male wrestler and not the Macho Man's valet....Never seen him wrestle but the fact is he changed wrestling. His character and charisma probably got more people watching wrestling than anyone else. And he never won a world title. So how is that overrated?!
12. Randy Orton - I absolutely agree. He's not bad, he's just nowhere near great.
13. Mike Quakenbush - I don't know enough about him to comment, but I can think of about 10 ROH guys who are talked about more than him, so I'm not sure who is overrating him?!
14. William Regal - Agreed. Nowhere near world title level. A dull wrestler who has always looked pretty out of shape to me. A great talker but not someone the crowd has ever really cared about, and he seems like he'd have been a better fit thirty years ago.
15. Mr Anderson - Not a bad wrestler but not very good. A good talker with charisma. Again, I'm not really sure who is overrating him. I think given TNA's options he deserves to be main eventing, but I don't see him being an all-time great.
16. Christopher Daniels - Finally! I totally agree with this. He's very athletic but he has very little charisma and looks too indy. I'm not saying he isn't a very good worker but he's nowhere near the level of the true stars.
17. Finlay - Who in the world has ever rated Finlay?! He's very average and looks about 80 years old.
18. Sabu - Absolutely. Some of his stunts are amazing, but they are just that: stunts. He's a terrible wrestler. He does have an undeniable charisma, though only when he's not talking. Put a mic in front of him and watch his charisma evaporate.
19. Jeff Jarrett - Another one where I wonder who these people are that overrate him. He's a decent role playing heel who should never hold a world title. But everyone knows that!
20. Verne Gagne - The fact is he sold tickets. I don't enjoy watching his matches although they took place in a very different world. He probably wouldn't have been the top star anywhere outside the AWA.
21. Shelton Benjamin - I agree with this. A good athlete and good wrestler but nothing spectacular and his own worst enemy. The crowd rarely cared about him and he had little in the way of charisma.
22. Jerry Lynn - A really solid wrestler but nothing about him said "star". He was/is a useful midcarder but nothing more than that.
23. Alberto Del Rio - He exudes star quality. His mannerisms and facial expressions are perfect and he's a good talker. Definitely not a top level worker, but I think he's good enough to be main eventing in WWE. His Rumble win did come too soon in his WWE run for me, but neither do I think it would have been ideal to wait another year.
24. Arn Anderson - Very, very good wrestler and talker. Not main event or world title material, but a talented man who was used pretty much perfectly throughout his career.
25. Kevin Nash - He's one of the worst main eventers as far as his in-ring work goes, but charismatic and a good talker if he has the right subject matter. I don't think anyone in the world is saying "Wow, that Kevin Nash is a great wrestler, he should have won more world titles", so I'm not sure he could be considered overrated.

Chris Jericho should be on that list, *IMO*

I think he's lacking a little in every department and yet I see people fawning over him like he's the good parts of The Rock and Kurt Angle rolled into one.

He's a good worker but can be quite sloppy in the ring. Has he been involved in any memorable matches? VS HBK @ WM maybe but I found that underwhelming to be honest.

Has a decent look, but is too small and has no special quality to make up for that deficiency, like HBK, Mysterio, etc do. His recent run with the hair cut and trunks make him look unfit and out of place almost.

His mic work is good, but usually quite generic - no promo from him stands out in my mind- apart from maybe the 'shankbag ho' insult for Stephanie.

He just doesn't possess that unquatifiable attribute that the Rocks, SCSAs, and Hogans of this world do.

From the looks of the list, I've got to ask, is the writing, the booking, or the talent acquisition behind the slump in standards in recent wrestling? I mean, aside from Jeff Jarret, William Regal and HHH (Both about to retire) and Hulk Hogan (should have retired a long time ago), there are 8/9 current stars on the list. Nothing from the Attitude era, and not many from the Golden Age either (When Hogan wasn't over-rated, as he brought in money and helped revoloutionise the business)

i actually think this list isn’t that bad, what you have got to remember is that this list is not saying that the wrestlers named on it are rubbish or have not contributed to wrestling, all of them have made their mark and the fact that they are on this list alone acknowledges that they must be a pretty big player. What this list is saying is that for what ever reason they get far more praise then they deserve, usually from the IWC, and on this point alone I have to agree with the majority of the names on this list.

Now i am a fan of most of the names on the last and a huge fan of a few of them but take Mr Perfect for example, he regularly gets touted as THE BEST technical wrestler to ever grace a wrestling ring. This is just not true, yes he was fantastic but by today’s standards he is no longer the best, plus he was pretty rubbish on the mic.

You think Mr Perfect was rubbish on the mic? I would say he wasn't the best but not rubbish by any means. I actually quite enjoyed when he did commentary.

Liverbnz does the Jericho man of 1004 holds not stand out for you? One of my all time fav promos.

why isn't rey mysterio in this list?

edge should not be 11 time world champ, he's overrated

theanimal316 wrote:You think Mr Perfect was rubbish on the mic? I would say he wasn't the best but not rubbish by any means. I actually quite enjoyed when he did commentary.

Liverbnz does the Jericho man of 1004 holds not stand out for you? One of my all time fav promos.

Credit where it's due, that was an excellent promo.

I can't believe Kevin Nash is on that list - who actually rates Nash anyway!!!

Being overrated is a subjective opinion.

HHH No.1!? Give the guy a break - great wrestler; those who say he's only reached where he got because of the WWE hype machine are doing him a disservice; HHH has put his body on the line in so many matches, his style is far more physical than the likes of Cena or Orton and he has the look of a champion - tall, muscular, as a heel he is vicious and as a face he is valiant; he's proven he can be controversial in DX and well DX was just great viewing, enough said.

ADR on the most overrated of all time? Seriously if they are just basing that opinion on his WWE career then they need to be more patient, he hasn't had the phenomenal push that Sheamus got last year; he's not even won a title yet unlike McIntyre who they just threw titles at just to give him TV time. This seems really harsh to me.

As far as Jericho is concerned I personally rate him very highly; he is charismatic, intelligent and I'm glad he's managed to make a successful career despite being 'small' for a wrestler. I don't think he is overrated, he's not had as many titles as some, he doesn't have a problem putting people over and draws heat as a heel.

I disagree with regards to HHH being a valiant face.
His face persona is little removed from his heel one! He still batters people with a sledge hammer, hardly a face tactic that one.
The only difference is instead of cheap heel tactics he resorts to shoot promos that rip apart pushes.

I'd say Nash actually has a few raters, as Diesel and his early time in WCW he was hot property, sure he was never the most exciting guy to watch in the ring but on the mic he was quality.

ADR I can understand the 'overrated' tag, he's put in 6 months worth of quality and he's instantly thought of as the saviour of WWE, like the future of wrestling is now suddenly in safe hands because he's the Rumble Winner.

Rey I would say isn't overrated. I'm not a fan of Rey don't get me wrong, but neither are the vast majority of the IWC to which this top 25 is eluding too. He cannot be overrated by people that don't rate him, on that respect he'd actually come in as underrated.

Jericho I agree with, big mark for him but we do hype him perhaps than his place in history will be.

everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect that but still there's no pleasing people sometimes!

On the one hand people moan that WWE haven't developed their mid card properly - the IC & US titles aren't used properly anymore etc then people call ADR overrated because he won the Rumble? The IWC were crying out for an up and comer to win the Rumble and now we have one; the IWC was crying out for more new blood on the main event scene and now we have one this year's Mania is going to be the worst in history!!! I mean what's with that? :huh:

Arguably every main eventer in wrestling is overrated because no one actually 'wins' titles they are given them because the results are predetermined. People will always be able to argue such and such didn't deserve that push or so and so is being held back etc I mean guys like Stone Cold are seen as untouchable but even the Rock was criticised on his second promo back; just goes to show too much of a good thing is bad for you; people would probably have complained that Stone Cold had ruined his legacy if he had been able to carry on wrestling and not retired.

As for HHH being a valiant face I think he has been portrayed as that at times although I concede that he is more tweener than babyface and will probably never be able to play babyface with any credibility.

For a long time Stone Cold received criticism when after he had retired he would stop heel pushes dead by giving them a stunner whilst having a guest spot on the show so even he isn't untouchable by the IWC.

I completely understand your point on the double standards of the IWC, we are never happy.
Main eventers overused - where's the new stars?
New stars pushed - where's the guys that'll sell the show?

I think to evaluate this list you need to ask 2 questions:

1. What does it mean to be a wrestler?

2. Who is rating these people? The IWC? Or the Bookers themselves?

If we take 1. Some people watch wrestling because they lvoe the storylines, and those that can cut a promo like Hulk Hogan or Mr Anderson are therefore wrestlers that they enjoy. Others enjoy the technical ability of a wrestler from people like Shelton Benjamin or Mr Perfect. Surely the best is someone who can wrestle and cut a promo. But this article talks of 'wrestlers' so we can maybe hazard a guess that it is for wrestling ability. It would be easy to see why someone like Hulk Hogan is so high, since his wrestling ability is not up to the standard or a top worker. HHH I cannot understand at all.

In regards to question 2, many have said this is aimed at the IWC. But there seems to be a bizarre mix. People in the IWC seem to be fans of some people on that list like ADR or Christian, whereas others on there such as Jeff Jarrett or Hulk Hogan are regularly trashed by the IWC.

If we take it from a these wrestlers are bad but get a lot of pushes then it's easy to see why Jarrett, Hogan, Nash and to a lesser HHH, but if that were the case, why would they include people like Benjamin who is seen as a quality in-ring performer but has never really done very much in the E, or perhaps William Regal who is seen as a solid worker but again never really got very far. Why is Dean Malenko there? Who rates him so highly? He's a solid worker, but never had anything that can be described as a major push, not has a push been cried out for by the IWC.

There seems to be a strange mixture of those who have earnt more than they perhaps should have based on their wrestling ability as well as those who are highly rated by the IWC but not by the editor of this article.

Hero wrote:Owen Hart for me is a perfect example of an overrated wrestler. His death however unfortunate raised his stock tenfold as to how highly regarded he was. The guy was never main event standard.

He was in Japan when NJPW was as big or bigger that WWF in USA. He was top 3 in the entire world in 1989.

P.S. I've no idea what Ugo.com is but their list is a complete joke. I'd like to know the reasons behind each pick and the order which they appear. Nice move adding Giant Baba at 3 and Verne Gagne to make themselves appear more knowledgeable than they really are. Rubbish.