Frampton v Quigg - Fight Night

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Amazed there is no dedicated thread for this fight!

Where is everyone watching it? Im at home, beer at the moment then onto the vino with a curry on standby.

Who have you got to win? Always thought Frampton would win this but have seen a calmness in Quigg this week that exudes extreme confidence. Frampton on the other hand has seemed tetchy at the press conference and weigh-in and seems to have used up too much energy in trying to get under Team Quiggs skin.

I can't help but have a feeling about what might have been with that fight. Could have been a barnstormer if it had taken off sooner.

I'd be interested in a rematch and I think it makes a bit of sense. In the end we come out of that fight with as many questions as answers.

Dipper Brown wrote:I can't help but have a feeling about what might have been with that fight. Could have been a barnstormer if it had taken off sooner.

I'd be interested in a rematch and I think it makes a bit of sense. In the end we come out of that fight with as many questions as answers.

Couldn't agree more........Frampton did a great BJS impression of scoring the fight and doing enough to win.....It takes a top fighter to be able to do that.....

The big questions are..... Was Quigg just pensive at the beginning or was it tactics to start slow as he did in the Salinas fight ??

After being called one dimensional did he want to show Frampton he could box ??

If it was tactics then he needs to change his team.....Already has a draw on his record he shouldn't have !!!!

Quigg will be very disappointed because he let himself get mugged by a smart operator.........He'll feel it could have been different and that is what will hurt most of all...Quigg lost more than Frampton won..

Don't want to see a rematch personally...

Well done Truss.

Frampton was down twice the fight before in the first round so can't understand why Quigg didn't start fast and make it a fight straight off.

Proving points about his boxing might have been on his mind but he was never going to win the fight like that. Barely threw a punch in the first 6 rounds. Crazy tactics. Gallagher defended the tactics.

Frampton was down before, trying to force a fight. I think Quigg was hoping, Carl would get frustrated and go in guns blazing. Unfortunately for him, Carl did just enough to nick the rounds.

Awful tactics by Quigg.

A rematch might work down the line if Quigg can put together some good wins. I dont think the time is right for it now. It wouldnt be nearly as big a deal as the first time if it were to happen now. I also think Hearn and Gallagher might have burned that bridge with their behaviour. They would have to accept a big cut for an immediate rematch to be even entertained and Quigg has lost all of his bargaining power now. I also think Quigg will look back at this fight with plenty of regrets. He blew it. Its got to hurt Gallagher as well after playing up the whole coaching angle that for a second time it looks like a poor strategy was a major contribution to Quigg losing. Quigg was unbelievably poor for 6 or 7 rounds. I dont think he did himself justice.

The irony of Fury blasting the poor fight. Aye his fight with Wlad was a real humdinger.

Quigg will be enormously frustrated. When they did engage, he seemed to be getting the better of the exchanges (aside from a superb 12th for Frampton). But he didn't get going til the final third of the fight.

What we can't know is if Quigg's start was down to CF staying out of range and being elusive or if it was down to poor tactics.

As I said, more questions than answers. Frustrating evening for Quigg and the neutrals but Frampton's fans won't care one jot about that. Job done for them.

Steffan wrote:Poor fight in general. Not a bad final four rounds

Lee Selby beats both

Definitely.

I thought Jim Watt had one of his better nights work on the mic recently. He didnt really hold back on how the dull fight was and how Quigg was underperforming. At one stage when Halling was questioning why the boxers should have to do anything different Watt kind of lost it and said "its ppv Nick and people have spent a lot of money to be here!" It was refreshing.

Then he announced at the end he scored it a draw and the moment was ruined...

Lee Selby wins for sure.

Whenever anyone's opinion differs from another,why does it always turn into a personal slanging match, its a boxing forum, everybody's opinion should be respected regardless of if you agree or not.

Selby would be too big for Frampton although they're pretty close in skills.
I'd be concerned for Frampton if he fought LSC next or soon. I've totally changed my mind on LSC. Really don't think Frampton can beat him.

Wouldn't want to see him fight Rigo either. The whole fight would be like he first 6/7 rounds of last night's fight.

Thought it was a good fight, not the barnstormer we expected but Framps had him bamboozled throughout the first 6 rounds and somebody really should have said he had to chase it before going past the 6 round mark. (Scott's supposed to have a great engine so shouldn't have been a massive issue). think Framps would have had him either way though as Quigg had some good shots but he seemed a bit raggedy and out of range a lot of the time too.

Would love to see Framps in with Rigo (win win imo for him) next and lets see Quigg rebuild, maybe away from Gallagher.

(Oh and Adam - I passed bud, actually surprsied myself by doing well )

Congrats man. Fair play to you lad.

Don't think Selby is too big because he is not the kind of fighter who will use his size..

Think he's too cute though

Selby would be hard to outbox. I know it was only Martin Lindsay, but I was really impressed with Selby in the flesh. I was sitting just a few rows back. He had great movement and generalship. Featherweight is a cracking weight.

I wouldn't mind seeing Frampton make a go at it. Unfortunately though, I think he will be like Hatton and struggle with the bigger boys.

It's only 4 pounds..

4 pounds is a brave percentage to a lighter guy. Plus Frampton struggled with Scotts size.

What was the ref doing in the eleventh , broke them for no reason when Quigg could have capitalised ?

Yeah Watt telling halling 'this i a ppv and people have paid a lot of money to be here' was a highlight. Jim had a better night then i expected behind the mic last night

Rowley wrote:Penderyn at the minute. Showing some love for Steffan's home land.

Bloomin eck, I nearly spat out my Pale Ale.. This is the worst description I have ever heard for the Principality.

To be honest it slightly grated on me that the commentary was complaining about the lack of action.

I had no problem with the cagey opening rounds though while not exciting you couldn't take your eyes off.

A good fight broke out in second half so please, no more complaining when a tactical battle ensues !

Halling was still not great. During the McDonnell fight after about eight rounds he suggested gav should step it up and try to stop him. Is he seriously suggesting a kid who is not a big puncher, who is winning an eliminator should change a tactic that is clearly working.

You're in a fight with a big puncher whose only chance of victory is if he can knock you out and Halling's suggestion is you offer him a greater opportunity to get that knockout. Absolutely terrible suggestion, just another phrase from his stock arsenal of phrases. Anyone winning comfortably after six or seven needs to move through the gears and make a statement. The context of the fight is not considered.

Halling seems to be moaning about "Armchair fans" quite a lot..

Which would be okay coming from Watt but a bit rich coming from him.

Herman Jaeger wrote:To be honest it slightly grated on me that the commentary was complaining about the lack of action.

I had no problem with the cagey opening rounds though while not exciting you couldn't take your eyes off.

A good fight broke out in second half so please, no more complaining when a tactical battle ensues !

I found it quite easy to take my eyes off. And I have no problem with technical fights... Just with two guys too worried about being countered to let their punches go. Easy night for the compubox punch counter for 6 rounds.

It was as truss would say, a stinker... that finally burst into mediocrity about 2/3 through.

I've watched the fight again this morning and on 2nd viewing my opinion has only strengthened that Frampton would do a job on him and 2nd time round (I had him winning by 4 first time round so already a clear winner)

I've heard a few people discuss those first 6 and say how it was where Quigg through the fight away, that is doing an injustice to Frampton and the work he did. Whilst he did little himself he hasn't drawn nearly enough plaudits for the way he controlled the tempo and more importantly the range. If it was Mayweather plenty would be drooling at the defensive movement and countering. Watch the 2nd, 4th and 5th again and particularly in those he made Quigg look a fool whenever he did throw; I think the first 3, Scott was made to miss so badly he was reluctant to throw at all. The 7th was seen as a turning point where Quigg began to get a foothold but the most telling part of that round was Frampton spinning him and unleashing a 3 punch combination which was crisp and accurate and showed the difference in ability.

No need for a rematch in my eyes, though if Quigg puts a few wins together or indeed if Carl does come unstuck against LSC or Rigo then that option is there for him...but if and when it does happen..likely in Belfast there's only one winner and this time it would be rubber stamped with a comprehensive win.

A few have said they thought Carl was having trouble with Quigg's size, is that a euphemism for Scotty was starting to beat him up a wee touch in second half?

Frampton held on though no complaints. Quigg only himself to blame, needed to up it from fourth

I wouldn't say he was having trouble, at no point was he being pushed around the ring like a rag doll and in the 3 rounds in which they stood and traded, Carl didn't seem to mind being there. In fact think he showed in the 12th had he wanted to he could have taken the couple of steps back every now and then and not traded as much (Quigg would have still had his moments no doubt).

Not sure he controlled the range. Quigg backed off whenever frampton got in range. Frampton's shots mainly fell short or hit gloves. What frampton did was try to make the fight a bit, quigg didn't, so in zero action rounds he gets the benefit. Didn't see a masterclass Owen, but that's just my take.

Maybe that punch in fourth round from Carl proved pivotal, forced Quigg to take round five off, may have won if he'd upped it in fifth as opposed to sixth.

milkyboy wrote:Not sure he controlled the range. Quigg backed off whenever frampton got in range. Frampton's shots mainly fell short or hit gloves. What frampton did was try to make the fight a bit, quigg didn't, so in zero action rounds he gets the benefit. Didn't see a masterclass Owen, but that's just my take.

Frampton did what he had to do to win but it wasn't anything like the masterclass Owen is making it out to be, it could be that Frampton was controlling the range but did he then let Quigg come to him in the second half of the fight?

Sorry Milky but by virtue of how far Quigg fell short whenever he did throw over the first 6 rounds I would say that he did control the distance. He was excellent at just moving the extra step back whenever he saw Quigg lining up to actually attempt to force the action a little. Frampton missed with plenty but usually over the top not actually falling short. Didn't think he got nearly enough credit for his jab either which landed with regularity from 3rd to 6th round.

Let me say I'm not calling it a masterclass, Frampton could have done far more to rubber stamp his win and was just as guilty for not doing enough over the first 6. What I am saying though is I think far too many people are quick to pull out the 'Quigg let the fight get away over the first 6' but if they went back and watched it (always better to watch fight like that fresh eyes and without the booze) then think people would give a little more credit and see Quigg couldn't get going not just because of nerves or bad planning but because Frampron was doing the little things well

Frampton did what BJS does well...Do enough to win the round..

That's all you need to do..

You predicted the fight correctly Truss.

Frampton would definately start a second fight a bigger favourite in my view. Especially in Belfast without a dodgy scorecard. I think he proved what he and many other felts, that he was a smarter and more accomplished boxer. When the fight was tactical, there was only one winner. Even when it started to go into more of a slug, I thought Framtpon gave as good as he got and was more comfortable than I thought he might be. He alos showed in the last round he could mix it up between the two better than Quigg could. I would still have a Quigg a live underdog though. If he could start at a high pace and try and tire Frampton out for the last few rounds then he might be able to wear him down the stretch. He never gave himself a chance though, and didnt look to have the ring smarts to be able to (he looked shocked at being told he was well behind after 7 rounds when he had offered nothing).

I thought Quigg was especially dissapointing in the first 7 rounds. It was like their strategy was if they didnt engage, then the judges would do them a favour being the house fighter. I really expected after all the talk of Frampton being weak, vulnerable to the body etc they were going to really go out and try and press their advantage. But it was the opposite. It was only after learning that public concensus had them more or less needing a KO to win that they actually tried to make a fight of it.

RanjitPatel wrote:Frampton was down twice the fight before in the first round so can't understand why Quigg didn't start fast and make it a fight straight off.

Proving points about his boxing might have been on his mind but he was never going to win the fight like that. Barely threw a punch in the first 6 rounds. Crazy tactics. Gallagher defended the tactics.

He wasn't being economical (not deliberately anyway). Frampton controlled him with speed, feinting, movement and better technique. Quigg needs to be set to punch and Frampton just didn't let him set up. His footwork was excellent.

I don't think we'll see a rematch - not unless Quigg dumps Hearn and Joe.

Surely a rematch between these 2 couldn't be as bad, the best thing about last night watching with my mates and brother was the beer and the JD, poor fight that never lived up to expectations. I've seen more punches thrown in a late night scrap outside the chippy.

Anyone read Frochs take on it this morning!! My lord, Groves was right about one thing he should have been Contradiction Carl! He's spinning it that he always knew Frampton was in control and could go through the gears when he wanted. The man really is a numpty of the highest order.

I'd love to see Quigg v Santa Cruz, that could be a real barnburner.

I think Barry will continue to avoid Santa, I think Carl could struggle with Santa's size.

One things for sure LSC won't wait untill the second half if the fight to start throwing, he has his flaws but the man is a punching machine

Frampton was very good in the first half of the fight with his movement but he did slow down quite dramatically in the 2nd half of the fight without taking too many shots in the first half, so if LSC can get to his body early I'm sure he'd favour himself down the stretch

The natural progression for both, the natural fight for both now is Santa Cruz vs Frampton.

Not how I saw the first 6 at all. Frampton knew quigg was looking for left hook counters so kept his right hand high and barely threw it for fear of being countered. Quigg wouldn't even throw jabs he was so focused on drawing the lead. It was a game of who blinked first and neither of them did. Frampton looked to be making the fight, and quigg was happy to let him... Fighting to gallagher's 'two steps back' orders. Very few clean shots landed by either. Frampton wins the rounds by default almost.

I thought frampton won the fight, but I wasn't impressed. He was never in trouble but he looked uncomfortable when quigg forced the pace, lacked snap in his punches when they opened up, and looked like he was getting bullied a bit to me. Good comeback in the 12th to be fair.

I see the similarities in Saunders v Eubank, but Eubank was clearly outboxed early on despite trying... Quigg was just waiting for opportunities that frampton never gave him. Tactical stalemate, dull as hell.

Hey a win's a win, but frampton's stock has gone down with me personally. No problem with those that see it differently.

Certainly not everyone was impressed. Rigondeaux had this say:

(Quigg) No wonder this guy has been running from me for 4 years. He cant even box.

(Frampton) If Haymon wont let you fight me, then come see me for some sparring.

I was pulling for Frampton which made it tense from first bell to last. Frampton just wouldn't allow Quigg to set his feet and he was actually the one pressing forward in the opening half. Technically, he was superb.

I do wonder whether Frampton needs to move up a weight. He tired against Martinez down the stretch, too.

You're a big Frampton fan as well Haz.

I see it more like Milky than Owen. But I can't know with any certainty why Quigg couldn't (or wouldn't) engage in the first half. Game of opinions though. Like I said, I see more questions than answers after the fight.

I felt Quig needed to take that last round to have a shout at winning. As it was, a Draw might have been fair But Frampton did edge the fight.  

The early rounds, while Framton was moving more and throwing more he only landed a few jabs, while on the other hand Quig caught him with the more crips and harder shots, even though fewer. So the rounds up to about the 4th could have gone either way really. But the more inactive Quig was it made it harder to score him rounds.

I think he knew early rounds Carl would be powerful and snappy so wanted to wait till be tired a bit before engaging.  But maybe waiting a bit too long and should have stepped it up more from the 5th and 6th.

Frampton did not blow me away, but credit to him for taking that 12th and in the 11th he was looking very stretched.

A Rematched would definitely be interesting.

A rematch most certainly would be very interesting but unfortunately Barry has said it's 'not in his interests' the same thing he said about a fight with Rigondeaux.

So will Barry accept the challenge from Santa Cruz?

At least now that we know it was tunes who was the errant judge last night we can take great comfort that there aren't two of em in the world