Frampton v Quigg - Fight Night

hazharrison wrote:

huw wrote:

hazharrison wrote:
Frampton may not have being busy like Hank Armstrong but he was throwing and landing enough to sweep the first 7-8 rounds. He was the one leading, he was the one controlling the pace.

I'm not saying he wasn't bust or pressing the fight but in the first 6 rounds there were probably on 2-3 scoring punches. In this instance I'm not sure that the person throwing and being made to miss deserves to score more than the person defending well but throwing little (if anything) back.

We aren't talking about someone who landed 30-40 punches more than the other, there were only 2-3 punches difference in most of the early rounds.

Mate, Quigg barely threw a punch and landed virtually nothing of note. While Frampton was economical, he was the man controlling the rounds, landing the better shots and exhibiting the better ring generalship. He fought his fight and made Quigg fight the way he wanted him to.

You don't need to land 30 more punches than your opponent to win a round.

Herman Jaeger wrote:Also I think when rounds are close and neither fighter throws or lands much it's the slicker boxer who always seems to get the benefit of the doubt.

I don't know why but  maybe using your head and legs to make an opponent miss looks flashier than making him miss by blocking.

But it's of course in no way more effective just more eye catching.

EX7EY wrote:

huw wrote:

hazharrison wrote:
Frampton may not have being busy like Hank Armstrong but he was throwing and landing enough to sweep the first 7-8 rounds. He was the one leading, he was the one controlling the pace.

I'm not saying he wasn't bust or pressing the fight but in the first 6 rounds there were probably on 2-3 scoring punches. In this instance I'm not sure that the person throwing and being made to miss deserves to score more than the person defending well but throwing little (if anything) back.

We aren't talking about someone who landed 30-40 punches more than the other, there were only 2-3 punches difference in most of the early rounds.

But surely in a fight where not much is happening you've got to edge the rounds to the guy who is boxing better no?  It was clear Carl was the fighter who was controlling the pace and the action.

As I've said on another thread, if Quiggs tactics were to have a conservative opening 6 rounds then fair enough, but you must do something by way of aggression.  Carl wasn't leaving much opportunity to counter punch so finish the rounds busy at least.  You have to at least give the judges a question to answer, a decision to make.  There was no decision because Quigg wasn't throwing and when he was throwing he was missing badly.

Carl was in control for me in the first half.  So even if you want to get really technical and go right down to the numbers, you absolutely could have a case to say neither landed much at all, but the fight was fought at Framptons pace and he controlled it well so as a judge I would have to lean toward Frampton.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Nico the gman wrote:The talk on here is LSC and Rigo, I think Donaire has enough to give both Quigg and Frampton huge problems.

LSC versus Rigo??!

Or do you mean LSC-Framp and Rigo-Quigg? Have seen that bandied around.

Herman Jaeger wrote:I'd love to see Quigg v Santa Cruz, that could be a real barnburner.

I think Barry will continue to avoid Santa, I think Carl could struggle with Santa's size.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Yesterday's news but a relevant point, I feel.  Though only partial explanation - I also always liked that, that aside, I still felt Froch always wanted to gun for the biggest challenges.

Ref Framps, ideally, boxing would never be anything but the top few fighters dooking it out but reality is that doesn't happen. Ergo I think it's reasonable, even sensible, for Carl to have a look good fight.

Not necessarily a gimme, but basically someone to help drum up interest in the LSC match up.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Yesterday's news but a relevant point, I feel.  Though only partial explanation - I also always liked that, that aside, I still felt Froch always wanted to gun for the biggest challenges.

Ref Framps, ideally, boxing would never be anything but the top few fighters dooking it out but reality is that doesn't happen. Ergo I think it's reasonable, even sensible, for Carl to have a look good fight.

Not necessarily a gimme, but basically someone to help drum up interest in the LSC match up.

Herman Jaeger wrote:But Framps said he felt vey comfortable in the Quigg fight thought he won easily , I can't see how a lesser fight can drum anymore interest in the Santa fight? Beat Donaire or Selby and that would raise the anticipation considerably but beating someone he's expected to beat I'm not sure this adds anything to a Santa clash.

But if he had a hard 17 week camp then I see your point, might be sensible to take a lesser opponent next. Re-charge and gear up.

Also a  few said they already seeing signs of diminishment in Framps. Would you agree? And is that worrying considering he's only had one world level fight? Two if you want to call Martinez that too. And does that mean he didn't look too good in second half of Quigg fight?

Personally I think he was merely conserving energy and Santa Cruz is tailored for him, at least on paper.

hazharrison wrote:

Herman Jaeger wrote:But Framps said he felt vey comfortable in the Quigg fight thought he won easily , I can't see how a lesser fight can drum anymore interest in the Santa fight? Beat Donaire or Selby and that would raise the anticipation considerably but beating someone he's expected to beat I'm not sure this adds anything to a Santa clash.

But if he had a hard 17 week camp then I see your point, might be sensible to take a lesser opponent next. Re-charge and gear up.

Also a  few said they already seeing signs of diminishment in Framps. Would you agree? And is that worrying considering he's only had one world level fight? Two if you want to call Martinez that too. And does that mean he didn't look too good in second half of Quigg fight?

Personally I think he was merely conserving energy and Santa Cruz is tailored for him, at least on paper.

I definitely think he's tight at the weight (he wasn't as good in the latter half of both the Kiko rematch and the Quigg fight as he was in the first eight or do rounds). I thought he boxed very well myself - certainly hasn't shown any wear and tear (which you wouldn't imagine he would with the number of fights he's had).

LSC would be a great fight. Imagine that outdoors in the summer in NI. It would be magic.

Herman Jaeger wrote:It would be great in Vegas but especially good in Ireland with that frenzied support. Santa has always said he likes seeing other countries.

It's the money fight too..

Herman Jaeger wrote:Both with Haymon, both ready, both just won, both wanting to become number one...


Strike while the iron is hot is what I say.

Herman Jaeger wrote:How about have it at 24? I think Leo said he'd be up for a catchweight or 26 dependent on what Frampton prefers