Commiserations Wales

by **LondonTiger** Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:25 pm

First topic message reminder :

If they do not quite do it, of course please accept my heartfelt condolences - and I hope my countrymen accept an unlikely victory with good grace.

Added Bit:

That was really squeaky bum time. Massive heart from the Welsh to fight back like that.

by eirebilly Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:36 pm

BamBam wrote:I seem to remember the Irish having many problems with Chunky Norwich, whereas he never once posted on England threads, so many of us won't have the same views

Never had a problem with Chunk either, found him to have some very good points to make.

by beshocked Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:44 pm

eirebilly to be frank if you're going to defend gwlad as staunchly as you have you get what you get.

Lawyers defending criminals are generally eloquent and civil, doesn't mean they are right in what they do.

I see it as morally wrong to defend a bully and troll like gwlad.

It tells me something about you too....

by Gwlad Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:50 pm

and this post alone tells everyone a lot about you 'be shocked'

by eirebilly Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:53 pm

beshocked,

I am sure you have problems with him but I do not, does that mean that you are right and I am wrong? I don't think it does, I think it shows individual perception of another person.

What you have done is make it personal against me for not agreeing with your opinion by going down the road of personal insults, which I have not. I am not trying to convince anyone that Gwlad is a good poster, just that I have no issues with him. I see no problem with that at all to be honest.

I will leave it here.

by Gwlad Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:57 pm

eirebilly wrote:beshocked,

I am sure you have problems with him but I do not, does that mean that you are right and I am wrong? I don't think it does, I think it shows individual perception of another person.

What you have done is make it personal against me for not agreeing with your opinion by going down the road of personal insults, which I have not. I am not trying to convince anyone that Gwlad is a good poster, just that I have no issues with him. I see no problem with that at all to be honest.

I will leave it here.

thanks for that billy, thumbsup

and for he record be shocked, a lawyer who defends a criminal is doing exactly the right thing. It's his job and he is duty bound to do it. The scales of justice demand that and its based on an the principle of equality of arms. Everyone is entitled to a defence you see, even 606v2 posters cast down as WUMS by the high and mighty who think they are waaaay more intelligent than they really are. Know what i mean?

by LordDowlais Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:00 pm

If you notice I have spent a lot less time on here over the past few weeks, there are some right obnoxious muppets who frequent this forum always trying to "win the internet" I am starting to find it boring and loathsome.

I know what I am, and I know how stubborn and hard work I can be, but it does not give members on here the right to insult me just for having a differing point of view. But sadly this is the way this forum is going now.

by beshocked Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:02 pm

eirebilly to be honest I don't have as many problems with gwlad as others. He's annoying but not sufficiently yet me to drive me off the forums or foe him.

It is others that he is affecting more and I understand why. I am right, you are wrong, in this case yes.

You might not have any problem with him - good for you, that doesn't change that he's an irritant to others. So much so that Londontiger has been compelled to take a break.

If you feel that he is a top bloke then maybe you can use your influence to calm him down? You are his defence lawyer after all...

Instead of getting into a futile discussion with me, do something to help the situation.

I don't particularly want to resort to personal insults but you seem oblivious to the problems gwlad has caused for others.

Instead of discussing about rugby we are focussing on this. It's silly really.

by No 7&1/2 Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:02 pm

Maybe you could use this as an opportunity Gwlad to address some of your behaviour? Clearly a good number of people think very little of you due to the nature of your posts. I'm sure you'll come back with the stock I don't care response, but if you really want to debate clearly your current way of doing so is massively flawed.

by mikey_dragon Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:09 pm

If Gwlad can address some of his past misbehaviour then good. But what about the sh*t written in the OP about certain posters? I'm sure that contravenes the house rules. What about the wolf pack mentality still going around? For example I gave a fair and honest opinion of Eddie Jones, only to be repeatedly attacked and shouted down - just days later BOD agreed with me.

by Gwlad Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:10 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Maybe you could use this as an opportunity Gwlad to address some of your behaviour? Clearly a good number of people think very little of you due to the nature of your posts. I'm sure you'll come back with the stock I don't care response, but if you really want to debate clearly your current way of doing so is massively flawed.

thanks for making my point about the holier than thou attitude some of you lot have Laugh

Would love to oblige, but seem permanently stuck to the naughty step, must be that nappy i borrowed from lostinwales.

by No 7&1/2 Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:11 pm

You used the same word so you can't find it that bad. You're still a liar though mikey and not worth a jot.

by No 7&1/2 Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:11 pm

And that's why Gwlad and mikey are wums.

by Gwlad Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:14 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:And that's why Gwlad and mikey are wums.

and IMO you are a WUM 7 1/2

Its totally subjective you see.

by mikey_dragon Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:15 pm

Usual English liars going at it again when somebody points out the blatantly obvious Rolling Eyes

. I'm happy to remain in the company of BOD, Pocock, etc. Guys who agree with my perspective.

by No 7&1/2 Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:16 pm

Oh well, we'll put up with you a while longer then until the eventual ban.

by Gwlad Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:17 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Oh well, we'll put up with you a while longer then until the eventual ban.

and thats your objective isn't it! Your sole objective is to identify those that have opinions that you disapprove of and try and have them banned

very very sad.

by Hoonercat Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:18 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:But what about the sh*t written in the OP about certain posters? I'm sure that contravenes the house rules.

You'll be requesting the same scrutiny of your own post on page 1 which did the same then?

by Rory_Gallagher Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:19 pm

BamBam wrote:I seem to remember the Irish having many problems with Chunky Norwich, whereas he never once posted on England threads, so many of us won't have the same views

Yes, this is the same story. A few of the English fans didn't understand the animosity towards Chunky because he wasn't derailing the English threads constantly. I find it sad that a few naive posters are defending genuine WUMs who are clearly not interested in rugby discussion and seem intent on causing problems for certain fans.

For example, I haven't seen any English fans on here claiming that Billy Vunipola is the best 8 in the world yet a few Welsh posters have used this to target the "arrogant English". It is a clear tactic to cause trouble without any provocation.

So LT is spot on when he says that a few posters seem to have little interest in rugby discussion and seem more interested in creating tedious sh1t-storms that drag on and on and on. It is a shame as he is actually a decent poster who is up for a laugh as well as actual discussion. These are the sort of posters we are losing.

by mikey_dragon Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:20 pm

Hoonercat wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:But what about the sh*t written in the OP about certain posters? I'm sure that contravenes the house rules.

You'll be requesting the same scrutiny of your own post on page 1 which did the same then?

Where does it say it is against a rules to attack a post? I thought the philosophy on here was attack the post, not the poster. Get back to us on that would you? Ta.

by TightHEAD Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:24 pm

Ban them.

by Hoonercat Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:24 pm

Yes, yes Mikey, you're very important because BOD agreed with you. Or rather, you happened to share an opinion which was the same as someone else, big deal Rolling Eyes

You sound like a star-struck child.
FFS for some reason he thinks it's pertinent to this thread even though he's the only one who's mentioned it. Again and again....

by Rory_Gallagher Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:25 pm

LordDowlais wrote:If you notice I have spent a lot less time on here over the past few weeks, there are some right obnoxious muppets who frequent this forum always trying to "win the internet" I am starting to find it boring and loathsome.

I know what I am, and I know how stubborn and hard work I can be, but it does not give members on here the right to insult me just for having a differing point of view. But sadly this is the way this forum is going now.

Although you shouldn't be receiving personal insults, this really is a load of hypocritical nonsense. You expect people to just accept your constant ranting and whenever they respond you follow up with more capital letters and insults of your own. Yes, I know you claim that you do not insult anyone but this has been exposed as nonsense in the past. If you admit that you are stubborn then why are you frustrated when other stubborn posters refuse to agree with what you say? Hypocrisy at its finest.

by TightHEAD Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:27 pm

Have Wales released their build up video of 'what the Ref should look out for' yet?

by Gwlad Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:28 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:If you notice I have spent a lot less time on here over the past few weeks, there are some right obnoxious muppets who frequent this forum always trying to "win the internet" I am starting to find it boring and loathsome.

I know what I am, and I know how stubborn and hard work I can be, but it does not give members on here the right to insult me just for having a differing point of view. But sadly this is the way this forum is going now.

Although you shouldn't be receiving personal insults, this really is a load of hypocritical nonsense. You expect people to just accept your constant ranting and whenever they respond you follow up with more capital letters and insults of your own. Yes, I know you claim that you do not insult anyone but this has been exposed as nonsense in the past. If you admit that you are stubborn then why are you frustrated when other stubborn posters refuse to agree with what you say? Hypocrisy at its finest.

Thanks for chiming in Rory

For the record, this post on the Best No 8 i think best sums up your hypocritical nonsense

"I don't even know what his opinion was that beshocked said was wrong. I just thought I would be annoying and pedantic and correct his comments on opinions. Wink"

by eirebilly Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:29 pm

On Chunky Norwich, Chunky did seem overly negative about the Irish and their rugby but once you got past that, he had some excellent points to make but sadly they were attacked due to others perceptions of him.

Rarely did I agree with him but I always countered the post and not the poster.

Some posters on here need to take a step back, relax and just genuinely chill out.

I very much appreciated LondonTiger but the manner in which he announced his departure from this site let himself and the site down by launching personal insults.

by Gwlad Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:29 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Ban them.

It speaks. Shocked

by mikey_dragon Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:30 pm

Gwlad wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Oh well, we'll put up with you a while longer then until the eventual ban.

and thats your objective isn't it! Your sole objective is to identify those that have opinions that you disapprove of and try and have them banned

very very sad.

Is that why they're ganging up on posters and complaining about comments? I had a comment which said "Launchbury is overrated" complained about laughing

.

by Hoonercat Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:30 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
Hoonercat wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:But what about the sh*t written in the OP about certain posters? I'm sure that contravenes the house rules.

You'll be requesting the same scrutiny of your own post on page 1 which did the same then?

Where does it say it is against a rules to attack a post? I thought the philosophy on here was attack the post, not the poster. Get back to us on that would you? Ta.

You're complaining about a post that mentioned certain posters, while conveniently ignoring the fact that you did the same shortly afterwards.Or is it ok for you but not anyone else?

mikey_dragon wrote:Gwlad I have to agree with you here too. Pooly, Hoonercat, Hammersmith and some others are said posters. After their failed attempts to shout you down and undermine your arguement with petty insults they resort to complaining like children

by TightHEAD Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:32 pm

Gwlad wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Ban them.

It She speaks.

by LordDowlais Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:32 pm

Rory, where do you get off ?

You are accusing Welsh fans of calling English fans arrogant over Billy V, but I have just scanned through this very forum and guess what ? I cannot find any evidence of it, read this thread:-

https://www.606v2.com/t62332-best-number-8-in-the-world

There seems to be more people accusing the Welsh of what you have said, yet there is NO evidence on the thread what so ever. But that seems to be the theme on this forum, if you are Welsh and you have a go at a ref, it's just more Welsh whinging again, yet everybody else is allowed to have a pop. If we say our players are good, we are living in dreamland, yet every other nation hails there players from the rooftops.

If Wales win, then it's because we have cheated or got away with murder, yet we are not allowed to respond, this forum is really getting tiresome, certain members on here need to get down off their high horses and take a long look at themselves, I do not know who people think they are at times.

by LordDowlais Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:34 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Have Wales released their build up video of 'what the Ref should look out for' yet?

And this makes my point straight away. picard

by Gwlad Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:34 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
Gwlad wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Oh well, we'll put up with you a while longer then until the eventual ban.

and thats your objective isn't it! Your sole objective is to identify those that have opinions that you disapprove of and try and have them banned

very very sad.

Is that why they're ganging up on posters and complaining about comments? I had a comment which said "Launchbury is overrated" complained about .

You know what mikey back off, the sole purpose elf this now is to wind it up and get people banned. Certain posters have you and i on their blacklist and they try and create arguments to encourage the MODS to issue bans, tight head just made that clear and others have already done so on this thread.

Persoanlly i think its the lowest of the low but that si the way they are

by mikey_dragon Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:34 pm

Hoonercat wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
Hoonercat wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:But what about the sh*t written in the OP about certain posters? I'm sure that contravenes the house rules.

You'll be requesting the same scrutiny of your own post on page 1 which did the same then?

Where does it say it is against a rules to attack a post? I thought the philosophy on here was attack the post, not the poster. Get back to us on that would you? Ta.

You're complaining about a post that mentioned certain posters, while conveniently ignoring the fact that you did the same shortly afterwards.Or is it ok for you but not anyone else?

mikey_dragon wrote:Gwlad I have to agree with you here too. Pooly, Hoonercat, Hammersmith and some others are said posters. After their failed attempts to shout you down and undermine your arguement with petty insults they resort to complaining like children

No, I'm actually talking about hitting the complain button. I'm not 100% sure what the policy is, but I think moderators should look out for these English folk targeting posters with the complaining facility. Also I didn't insult any posters, I only attack posts. I got insulted in the OP and the other posters I alluded to regularly attack me with swearwords and profanities. I'm not complaining now BTW, which will be your retort. I'm simply answering your post.

by Gwlad Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:35 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Have Wales released their build up video of 'what the Ref should look out for' yet?

And this makes my point straight away.

doesn't it just.

by TightHEAD Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:39 pm

Gwlad wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Have Wales released their build up video of 'what the Ref should look out for' yet?

And this makes my point straight away.

doesn't it just.

I guess it will be out in a couple of days. Can't wait.

by RuggerRadge2611 Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:41 pm

Well that's 35 minutes of my life reading this I won't get back...

For any of those considering reading this thread I'll summarize it here :

Commiserations Wales - Page 2 101946733_show_260287b

Commiserations Wales - Page 2 101946733_show_260287b

by TightHEAD Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:43 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Well that's 35 minutes of my life reading this I won't get back...

For any of those considering reading this thread I'll summarize it here :

I guess reading an average book must take a while?

by Rory_Gallagher Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:44 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Well that's 35 minutes of my life reading this I won't get back...

For any of those considering reading this thread I'll summarize it here :

by TightHEAD Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:46 pm

35mins!

by Hoonercat Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:49 pm

eirebilly wrote:On Chunky Norwich, Chunky did seem overly negative about the Irish and their rugby but once you got past that, he had some excellent points to make but sadly they were attacked due to others perceptions of him.

Rarely did I agree with him but I always countered the post and not the poster.

Some posters on here need to take a step back, relax and just genuinely chill out.

I very much appreciated LondonTiger but the manner in which he announced his departure from this site let himself and the site down by launching personal insults.

Gwlad actually has a good rugby brain and can make some very interesting contributions. This is the Gwlad that you see, hence your perception of him. He can also be the most tedious, childish poster imaginable, and this is what the English see, as he reserves these type of posts almost entirely for the English. There are many (in fact most) Welsh posters who get on absolutely fine with the English and have very good discussions which regularly get derailed thanks to the gruesome twosome - it's not coincidence that Gwlad and Mikey in particular find English posters constantly fed up with them, because it's the same old Poopie almost every day.
If you had to put up with daily posts telling you how arrogant the Irish are (when actually the Irish hadn't shown any arrogance at all) or how the Irish gloated over a win when they were actually very humble winners, you'd get a little peed off with it as well, especially when calls for proof are simply ignored in favour of more unsupported nonsense. If I'm honest it doesn't bother me enough to leave as I haven't been on here as long as some so haven't had to put up with it for as long as others, but I can understand why others are getting fed up with it. You can guarantee that any English thread will have both of these posters firing little quips at every opportunity, it gets tiresome and ruins decent discussion.

by RuggerRadge2611 Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:50 pm

TightHEAD wrote:
RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Well that's 35 minutes of my life reading this I won't get back...

For any of those considering reading this thread I'll summarize it here :

I guess reading an average book must take a while?

Yeah I once read this book called :

“A moron’s guide to exaggeration”

It was over 50 trillion pages long and took me nearly 7 ice ages to read.

kiss

by Poorfour Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:55 pm

eirebilly, just to echo some of the other comments here. When Gwlad stops actively trying to WUM, he has made some really good posts. I can only remember one, ever, on an England thread.

The norm for us is posts like this, which has been reported, on the Doctors call for ban on rugby in schools thread. That's one of the most serious threads we've had on the board, and one that demands some intelligent response if ever one did. So what do we get from Gwlad? A dig at Mike Brown:

Gwlad wrote:A start would be dealing with stamping and reckless use of the boot causing injury in a consistent manner.

Classy, eh? It's been reported, for what that's worth.

by True Raven Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:55 pm

Hoonercat wrote:
eirebilly wrote:On Chunky Norwich, Chunky did seem overly negative about the Irish and their rugby but once you got past that, he had some excellent points to make but sadly they were attacked due to others perceptions of him.

Rarely did I agree with him but I always countered the post and not the poster.

Some posters on here need to take a step back, relax and just genuinely chill out.

I very much appreciated LondonTiger but the manner in which he announced his departure from this site let himself and the site down by launching personal insults.

Gwlad actually has a good rugby brain and can make some very interesting contributions. This is the Gwlad that you see, hence your perception of him. He can also be the most tedious, childish poster imaginable, and this is what the English see, as he reserves these type of posts almost entirely for the English. There are many (in fact most) Welsh posters who get on absolutely fine with the English and have very good discussions which regularly get derailed thanks to the gruesome twosome - it's not coincidence that Gwlad and Mikey in particular find English posters constantly fed up with them, because it's the same old Poopie almost every day.
If you had to put up with daily posts telling you how arrogant the Irish are (when actually the Irish hadn't shown any arrogance at all) or how the Irish gloated over a win when they were actually very humble winners, you'd get a little peed off with it as well, especially when calls for proof are simply ignored in favour of more unsupported nonsense. If I'm honest it doesn't bother me enough to leave as I haven't been on here as long as some so haven't had to put up with it for as long as others, but I can understand why others are getting fed up with it. You can guarantee that any English thread will have both of these posters firing little quips at every opportunity, it gets tiresome and ruins decent discussion.

Didn't Hartley say before the Irish game that now England get to play in a proper test match. That seems pretty arrogant to me

by mikey_dragon Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:00 pm

Hoonercat wrote:
eirebilly wrote:On Chunky Norwich, Chunky did seem overly negative about the Irish and their rugby but once you got past that, he had some excellent points to make but sadly they were attacked due to others perceptions of him.

Rarely did I agree with him but I always countered the post and not the poster.

Some posters on here need to take a step back, relax and just genuinely chill out.

I very much appreciated LondonTiger but the manner in which he announced his departure from this site let himself and the site down by launching personal insults.

Gwlad actually has a good rugby brain and can make some very interesting contributions. This is the Gwlad that you see, hence your perception of him. He can also be the most tedious, childish poster imaginable, and this is what the English see, as he reserves these type of posts almost entirely for the English. There are many (in fact most) Welsh posters who get on absolutely fine with the English and have very good discussions which regularly get derailed thanks to the gruesome twosome - it's not coincidence that Gwlad and Mikey in particular find English posters constantly fed up with them, because it's the same old Poopie almost every day.
If you had to put up with daily posts telling you how arrogant the Irish are (when actually the Irish hadn't shown any arrogance at all) or how the Irish gloated over a win when they were actually very humble winners, you'd get a little peed off with it as well, especially when calls for proof are simply ignored in favour of more unsupported nonsense. If I'm honest it doesn't bother me enough to leave as I haven't been on here as long as some so haven't had to put up with it for as long as others, but I can understand why others are getting fed up with it. You can guarantee that any English thread will have both of these posters firing little quips at every opportunity, it gets tiresome and ruins decent discussion.

Billy, this is another example of Hooner's lies. I merely said that I didn't like Jones' comments, and that Gatland had been vilified in the past - so I also said I was confused as to why one gets exemptions. I also commented on certain English posters gloating upon getting wins over the mighty Scotland and Italy, which came across as arrogant and just daft. Hoonercat was one of the ones to keep shouting this down and attack me, hence this current post spreading lies. I'm getting a little tired of him tbh, but as long as guys like O'Driscoll and Pocock share my sentiment I will continue to post my fair and honest opinion. I hope this clears things up billy thumbsup

.

by mikey_dragon Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:02 pm

True Raven wrote:
Hoonercat wrote:
eirebilly wrote:On Chunky Norwich, Chunky did seem overly negative about the Irish and their rugby but once you got past that, he had some excellent points to make but sadly they were attacked due to others perceptions of him.

Rarely did I agree with him but I always countered the post and not the poster.

Some posters on here need to take a step back, relax and just genuinely chill out.

I very much appreciated LondonTiger but the manner in which he announced his departure from this site let himself and the site down by launching personal insults.

Gwlad actually has a good rugby brain and can make some very interesting contributions. This is the Gwlad that you see, hence your perception of him. He can also be the most tedious, childish poster imaginable, and this is what the English see, as he reserves these type of posts almost entirely for the English. There are many (in fact most) Welsh posters who get on absolutely fine with the English and have very good discussions which regularly get derailed thanks to the gruesome twosome - it's not coincidence that Gwlad and Mikey in particular find English posters constantly fed up with them, because it's the same old Poopie almost every day.
If you had to put up with daily posts telling you how arrogant the Irish are (when actually the Irish hadn't shown any arrogance at all) or how the Irish gloated over a win when they were actually very humble winners, you'd get a little peed off with it as well, especially when calls for proof are simply ignored in favour of more unsupported nonsense. If I'm honest it doesn't bother me enough to leave as I haven't been on here as long as some so haven't had to put up with it for as long as others, but I can understand why others are getting fed up with it. You can guarantee that any English thread will have both of these posters firing little quips at every opportunity, it gets tiresome and ruins decent discussion.

Didn't Hartley say before the Irish game that now England get to play in a proper test match. That seems pretty arrogant to me

This also reaffirms my view that certain sections shouldn't have been gloating so soon into the tournament... I got attacked for saying that.

by No 7&1/2 Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:03 pm

You're still lying then mikey.

by Cyril Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:20 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
Hoonercat wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:But what about the sh*t written in the OP about certain posters? I'm sure that contravenes the house rules.

You'll be requesting the same scrutiny of your own post on page 1 which did the same then?

Where does it say it is against a rules to attack a post? I thought the philosophy on here was attack the post, not the poster. Get back to us on that would you? Ta.

I think this kinda sums up the problem. The idea that everything is an 'attack'. To be fair though, where Gwlad concentrates his fire on the English, you're not discriminatory. You tend to annoy your fellow Welshmen as much as the other nations.

by True Raven Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:23 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:You're still lying then mikey.

You moan that posters dont engage in enough rugby conversation, yet you spend a lot of your time with meaningless posts like this

by Cyril Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:25 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:I got attacked for saying that.

You should have that put on a t-shirt.

by No 7&1/2 Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:25 pm

Sorry Raven but Mikey lied about me in the past and continues to misrepresent the truth still.

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