Judgement Day

The WRU say 70,000 tickets have been sold... but, as this party run its course.

I ask, as don't recollect anyone discussing here, and I remember last year all too well, where the games started to slow up and the major excitement around where I was in the stadium was who could get their paper plane to fly the furthest...

I guess, the WRU will paint it as a successful event again, and it is in marketing terms as selling 70k tickets is a great achievement, but is it a success in rugby terms..

Thoughts...

Having attended the last couple I think things will improve if each region's fans are put in the same area to create a better atmosphere.

I had a great time but most of it wasn't rugby related

Anybody want my free ticket?

PhilBB wrote:Anybody want my free ticket?

I got offered a free ticket as well as it goes. I turned it down of course but I'm in Spain this weekend anyway

How come you are giving up yours?

Steffan wrote:

PhilBB wrote:Anybody want my free ticket?

I got offered a free ticket as well as it goes. I turned it down of course but I'm in Spain this weekend anyway

How come you are giving up yours?

I have been given a crap seat, despite this being my club's 'home game'.

PhilBB wrote:

Steffan wrote:

PhilBB wrote:Anybody want my free ticket?

I got offered a free ticket as well as it goes. I turned it down of course but I'm in Spain this weekend anyway

How come you are giving up yours?

I have been given a crap seat, despite this being my club's 'home game'.

Couldn't you pay for a better seat?

Steffan wrote:
Couldn't you pay for a better seat?

By the time my crap ticket arrived, the better seats had all gone.

Looking after the supporter, WRU style.

PhilBB wrote:

Steffan wrote:
Couldn't you pay for a better seat?

By the time my crap ticket arrived, the better seats had all gone.

Looking after the supporter, WRU style.

Cardiff agreed to JD, so shewerly they should've ensured better tickets were allocated to ST holders. Shewerly?

Cardiff have to allocate middle tier for seated supporters and lower for terraced (same as NGD), don't they? I actually did OK out of mine. Think it's between the 22 and 10, much like I have at Dave Parade.

Not sure if I'm going though, as I'm playing that day (at the moment).

RiscaGame wrote:Cardiff have to allocate middle tier for seated supporters and lower for terraced, same as NGD, don't they? I actually did OK out of mine. Think it's between the 22 and 10, much like I have at Dave Parade.

Not sure if I'm going though, as I'm playing that day (at the moment).

No idea, but if the Cardiff suits agreed to that allocation then they need shooting.
Maybe it is believed that the terrace experience at CAP is comparable with the lower tier at the MS. It isn't.

Fair enough. I've never really liked the lower tier, as it's hard to follow a ball if it goes in the air. So I won't get to see much of the game when NGD go attacking, I suppose.

But for me, I won't have my usual pillar in the way, so that's a plus. My game has just been postponed too. Best get practising my paper aeroplane throwing.

RiscaGame wrote:Fair enough. I've never really liked the lower tier, as it's hard to follow a ball if it goes in the air. So I won't get to see much of the game when NGD go attacking, I suppose.

But for me, I won't have my usual pillar in the way, so that's a plus. My game has just been postponed too. Best get practising my paper aeroplane throwing.

Slightly related, but I know of a few Cardiff supporters who've always purchased seated STs in the south stand, but watch most games stood in the terrace.

I know that people used to do similar when the Hazell Terrace sold out at RP.

I guess while the tickets still sell then the Union will push for more of the same. I read the other day they are looking at the possibility of staging a Welsh v Irish Double header.

bedfordwelsh wrote:I guess while the tickets still sell then the Union will push for more of the same.  I read the other day they are looking at the possibility of staging a Welsh v Irish Double header.

Martin Anayi's discussions with the Pro12 chief execs seem to be going well so far.  Final decisions on changes still to be made, but the above-mentioned double headers seem to be part of the planned new mix.

Anayi wants current home and away league to become a conference/pool system from 2017-18 onwards.   An extra round of derby matches to be added into the revised season schedule - which should compensate for less games overall, if better crowds can be attracted.   In addition, WRU is looking to have double headers between Irish and Welsh as part of the revised structure.   Anayi is looking to have some big event games near beginning of season to balance the ones at Xmas and in April.

The international windows would be avoided by the senior teams, but matches would still be played during the windows for development teams/players in a revised version of the Anglo-Welsh Cup and possible abandonment of the current B&I Cup involving teams from AP and PRO12.

I can't go to Judgement Day but could've got a Middle Tier ticket with my North Terrace ST

I am going, and I have been to every one. I think it is an absolute great day out. No doubt we will have people coming on here on Sunday saying how they did not enjoy themselves because of this that and the other, but if you cannot enjoy yourself watching two professional games of rugby for a tenner whilst making a day of it then I suppose it says more about you than anything else. 

Nowhere else in the world would you get an event like this, for the price it costs. I think JD is a pioneering event and in time we will have so much demand all the Welsh derbies will be played like this. Imagine a JD on boxing day, what a day out that would be.

So if somebody has a differing opinion to you, they're wrong.

I'd have thought you would have got in free for this, as press. Is Simon Thomas covering it instead?

munkian wrote:I can't go to Judgement Day but could've got a Middle Tier ticket with my North Terrace ST  

Ah, fair one. I just assumed it to be the case. I know I got lower, but then maybe that was because we let one guy get a load of ours en masse.

PhilBB wrote:

Steffan wrote:
Couldn't you pay for a better seat?

By the time my crap ticket arrived, the better seats had all gone.

Looking after the supporter, WRU style.

Take it up with your region's ticket office.

I have a mid range seated ST, and I am in the middle tier on the try line - not too shabby

LordDowlais wrote:I am going, and I have been to every one. I think it is an absolute great day out. No doubt we will have people coming on here on Sunday saying how they did not enjoy themselves because of this that and the other, but if you cannot enjoy yourself watching two professional games of rugby for a tenner whilst making a day of it then I suppose it says more about you than anything else. 

Nowhere else in the world would you get an event like this, for the price it costs. I think JD is a pioneering event and in time we will have so much demand all the Welsh derbies will be played like this. Imagine a JD on boxing day, what a day out that would be.

Just one JD on Boxing Day !!!

I'm going on Saturday, great value as you say Lord but seriously I think a Judgement Day would lack the fans from West Wales as it would be a public transport nightmare

munkian wrote:I can't go to Judgement Day but could've got a Middle Tier ticket with my North Terrace ST  

You should have gone one automatically.

RiscaGame wrote:So if somebody has a differing opinion to you, they're wrong.

I'd have thought you would have got in free for this, as press. Is Simon Thomas covering it instead?

What's this? Dowlais is Andy Howell?

GavinDragon wrote:

PhilBB wrote:

Steffan wrote:
Couldn't you pay for a better seat?

By the time my crap ticket arrived, the better seats had all gone.

Looking after the supporter, WRU style.

Take it up with your region's ticket office.

I have a mid range seated ST, and I am in the middle tier on the try line - not too shabby

I took it up with my club's ticket office. Thanks. I have done the same each year so far with the same answer each time.

PhilBB wrote:

GavinDragon wrote:

PhilBB wrote:

Steffan wrote:
Couldn't you pay for a better seat?

By the time my crap ticket arrived, the better seats had all gone.

Looking after the supporter, WRU style.

Take it up with your region's ticket office.

I have a mid range seated ST, and I am in the middle tier on the try line - not too shabby

I took it up with my club's ticket office. Thanks. I have done the same each year so far with the same answer each time.

Maybe they don't know quite what a big deal you are phill. Have you tried explaining to them ?

carpet baboon wrote:
Maybe they don't know quite what a big deal you are phill. Have you tried explaining to them ?

On first name terms, Champ.

You should try it sometime.

Well who wouldn't know you, let's be honest!

Why would I want to be on first name terms with the Cardiff ticket office?
What an odd thing to say

carpet baboon wrote:Why would I want to be on first name terms with the Cardiff ticket office?
What an odd thing to say

If I'd written that, it would have been.

Apologies of course if your name is actually Carpet.

Obviously named after where you were conceived.

Ooooo phill very childish of you. I expect better

carpet baboon wrote:Ooooo phill very childish of you. I expect better

Well I could have gone the Baboon route, in all fairness.

Have you finished this foreplay yet?

What I'm just waiting for your next delightful insight into the future if rugby

RiscaGame wrote:So if somebody has a differing opinion to you, they're wrong.

I'd have thought you would have got in free for this, as press. Is Simon Thomas covering it instead?

Risca, why has it always got to be this way with you ? 

Do me a favour, infact, do yourself a favour, stop always trying to belittle me, you might enjoy life a bit more.

PhilBB wrote:

RiscaGame wrote:So if somebody has a differing opinion to you, they're wrong.

I'd have thought you would have got in free for this, as press. Is Simon Thomas covering it instead?

What's this? Dowlais is Andy Howell?

Their articles on the European semi finals were similar

RiscaGame wrote:

Their articles on the European semi finals were similar

Ha! Howell wouldn't spend time interacting with people. He thinks that social media is a waste of time.

Although, in fairness, he doesn't like me at all. So, in that regard, he's similar to Dowlais.

And the reason for the dislike is the same: both are easily shown to be writing factually inaccurate tripe.

PhilBB wrote:I took it up with my club's ticket office. Thanks. I have done the same each year so far with the same answer each time.

What are you saying ? 

That the worlds best club, and best run club, in the only area in Wales that has the infrastructure to run a pro club, cannot help you ?

Are we seeing chinks in the armour ?

LordDowlais wrote:

PhilBB wrote:I took it up with my club's ticket office. Thanks. I have done the same each year so far with the same answer each time.

What are you saying ? 

That the worlds best club, and best run club, in the only area in Wales that has the infrastructure to run a pro club, cannot help you ?

Are we seeing chinks in the armour ?

Yeah, one huge chink. This chink being that it is a WRU run event, in the WRU stadium, so the WRU decides the seating plan and the WRU decided that there is insufficient capacity in the middle tier to seat all season ticket holders.

What a chink eh, Andy?

LordDowlais wrote:

RiscaGame wrote:So if somebody has a differing opinion to you, they're wrong.

I'd have thought you would have got in free for this, as press. Is Simon Thomas covering it instead?

Risca, why has it always got to be this way with you ? 

Do me a favour, infact, do yourself a favour, stop always trying to belittle me, you might enjoy life a bit more.

Don't be so matter of fact about things then Dowlais. Judgement Day might be a great thing for the "away" supporters (or the casual ones like yourself), but for NGD supporters like me it doesn't have to be. It doesn't mean there's something wrong with me, just because I prefer being on my terrace and able to stand. It doesn't mean that I should enjoy things like paper aeroplane contests just because I have an extra Derby on top of my usual game and it doesn't mean I should have little choice in where I sit (whilst also letting day trippers get up to empty their bladders) when I am supposed to be a home supporter.

RiscaGame wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

RiscaGame wrote:So if somebody has a differing opinion to you, they're wrong.

I'd have thought you would have got in free for this, as press. Is Simon Thomas covering it instead?

Risca, why has it always got to be this way with you ? 

Do me a favour, infact, do yourself a favour, stop always trying to belittle me, you might enjoy life a bit more.

Don't be so matter of fact about things then Dowlais. Judgement Day might be a great thing for the "away" supporters (or the casual ones like yourself), but for NGD supporters like me it doesn't have to be. It doesn't mean there's something wrong with me, just because I prefer being on my terrace and able to stand. It doesn't mean that I should enjoy things like paper aeroplane contests just because I have an extra Derby on top of my usual game and it doesn't mean I should have little choice in where I sit (whilst also letting day trippers get up to empty their bladders) when I am supposed to be a home supporter.

Bloody right. Superb.

Risca, why can't you just take it for what it is ? Dragons will get more money from this event as well. This is good for Welsh rugby as a whole.

Two games for a tenner. Perhaps this might make casual fans attend more games, even if it is just one extra, then it will be a success. 

The fact that you are moaning about it before it has happened well, that is just you I suppose. For £10 you could take the family and make a day of it, that is what I am doing. I have even booked parking in advance for £8 all day. 

All I am saying is, just take it for what it is.

LordDowlais wrote:Risca, why can't you just take it for what it is ? Dragons will get more money from this event as well. This is good for Welsh rugby as a whole.

Two games for a tenner. Perhaps this might make casual fans attend more games, even if it is just one extra, then it will be a success. 

The fact that you are moaning about it before it has happened well, that is just you I suppose. For £10 you could take the family and make a day of it, that is what I am doing. I have even booked parking in advance for £8 all day. 

All I am saying is, just take it for what it is.

How could you take the family for £10?

I've been to the London Double Header few times and to Judgement Day the past two years and both are similar in the crowds they attract.

There are a huge amount of casual fans at both who go for a good social day out at reasonable prices, they are great for meeting up with friends and all being able to get tickets unlike Internationals where tickets are way more expensive and not always obtainable.

However season ticket holders at both events have the same complaints which are all valid and at both events a lot of fans will just watch 'their' game rather than watch the both.

As I mentioned previously, whilst the crowds grow which they have done then the WRU won't give a flying feck about season ticket holders but for any future event do the Regions have to agree to it for it to take place?

PhilBB wrote:Yeah, one huge chink. This chink being that it is a WRU run event, in the WRU stadium, so the WRU decides the seating plan and the WRU decided that there is insufficient capacity in the middle tier to seat all season ticket holders. 

What a chink eh, Andy?

Ah, right, so it is all the WRU's fault ? 

Cheers, I did not know that, I did not realise the actual teams taking part had nothing to do with it. Thanks for pointing it out to me. 

And to think, I did not know the WRU strong armed the teams into doing this.

PhilBB wrote:How could you take the family for £10?

Sorry, I meant £10 a ticket. There will be me, my wife and two daughters, and my oldest daughters boyfriend all watching two rugby matches in the MS for £50. What a bargain.

LordDowlais wrote:

Ah, right, so it is all the WRU's fault ? 

Cheers, I did not know that, I did not realise the actual teams taking part had nothing to do with it. Thanks for pointing it out to me. 

And to think, I did not know the WRU strong armed the teams into doing this.

The WRU control the seating plan meaning that there is insufficient seats for all season ticket holders to be given middle tier seats.

Why can't your brain process that simple piece of information?

LordDowlais wrote:

PhilBB wrote:How could you take the family for £10?

Sorry, I meant £10 a ticket. There will be me, my wife and two daughters, and my oldest daughters boyfriend all watching two rugby matches in the MS for £50. What a bargain.

Yep, a bargain is what it is.

PhilBB wrote:The WRU control the seating plan meaning that there is insufficient seats for all season ticket holders to be given middle tier seats. 

So what you are saying is then, that there was seats available to your liking, you were just too late to get them.

Yeah, thats everybody else's fault that is. 

Why can't your brain process that simple piece of information?

PhilBB wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

PhilBB wrote:How could you take the family for £10?

Sorry, I meant £10 a ticket. There will be me, my wife and two daughters, and my oldest daughters boyfriend all watching two rugby matches in the MS for £50. What a bargain.

Yep, a bargain is what it is.

Yes it is, especially when you consider it is almost twice that to watch Wales play one game there, and almost half that to watch the region for one person on a normal weekend. 

So yes, very glad you agree.

PhilBB wrote:

munkian wrote:I can't go to Judgement Day but could've got a Middle Tier ticket with my North Terrace ST  

You should have gone one automatically.

I assume its still in the Dragon's ticket office.

It is a bargain there no arguments there, the London equivalent was £25 each last time I went which was still good value.

Again though as has been pointed out the Regions don't have to agree to these games or do they?

I think there is blame on both sides though as I have no love for the Union for me it mostly their fault and they are only led my money, anything else comes second.