Political round up.............

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SecretFly wrote:

rodders wrote:

Lowlandbrit wrote:

rodders wrote:Given that May was on the remain side I guess that would give her a strong mandate to keep the UK in the EU if she was to win a General election.....

May was in camp 'I'd like to leave but I'm not sure we can'. I doubt she's going to turn back now it's done.

The opposite of Boris then.

It's probably the most weird period in the history of the world.

For the first time in a week I agree with you fly

I did that on purpose, rodders.... we needed the sit around the peace table and discuss what unites us more than divides us.  

We let the friction between us grow too much.  We fell into the trap of bitter recriminations.

So............................... onto what unites us................




........em.................... wait I'm thinking............................ I AM!


........................................okay, back to war so

Boris won't be standing.

You clever boy, Mr. Gove.

Suspect it's viewed as somewhat of a poisoned chalice and it's an interim role

As the Chinese insult goes:
May you live in interesting times...

Honestly can't see Gove winning the leadership, as he comes across as a bit of a swivel-eyed lunatic, but something has clearly happened behind the scenes between him and BoJo (most likely Boris saying that he wouldn't actually invoke Article 50) that means he felt compelled to torpedo Boris's quest for the leadership.

In a way, I think May could be the ideal leader for the coming period - she's not tarred with the brush of over-promising and under-delivering on the Leave campaign, so probably has more scope for negotiation with the EU than the Leave campaign leaders. She probably does need one of the more stident 'Leave' supporters as a deputy (Crabb?), and I think she walks the party election. If she wins that and Labour stick with Corbyn, she should call a General Election in the next few months, and really cement the Conservatives in place as the Government.

As for Labour, if they retain Corbyn, they can kiss goodbye to any credibility as a potential party of Government for the next decade, and probably will end up with another lefty Labour and SDP style schism.

SecretFly wrote:I did that on purpose, rodders.... we needed the sit around the peace table and discuss what unites us more than divides us.  

Is there EU peace funding for that?

Duty281 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:And in Austria, postal votes have defeated Hofer, it would seem.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/08/austria-far-right-launches-challenge-to-presidential-election-re/

Now look, just because one city had a turn-out of 147%, it doesn't mean that the result isn't valid.

And just because an extra 200,000 postal votes were conjured out of thin air, it doesn't mean that the result isn't valid.

And just because, of those magic 200,000 postal votes, Hofer only got 13% of them in a tight-race, it doesn't mean that the result isn't valid.

So there!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36681475

Serious well done to the Austrian judicial system.

Leadsom now the second favourite to be next Tory leader, displacing Gove.

Hope the good lady triumphs.

Thank you Nige, you bloody hero.

Steven Woolfe for next leader, please.

(Note: He is the clear front-runner, but is priced incredibly generously at 7/2).

Duty281 wrote:Thank you Nige, you bloody hero.

Steven Woolfe for next leader, please.

(Note: He is the clear front-runner, but is priced incredibly generously at 7/2).

Recipe for another Party entering the fun of a meltdown then? Enter rank outsider Carswell, to make the Leadership 'procession' a messy one?

SecretFly wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Thank you Nige, you bloody hero.

Steven Woolfe for next leader, please.

(Note: He is the clear front-runner, but is priced incredibly generously at 7/2).

Recipe for another Party entering the fun of a meltdown then?  Enter rank outsider Carswell, to make the Leadership 'procession' a messy one?

Carswell is a man with no moral courage, he won't stand for leader. Hopefully he will be kicked out of UKIP soon, along with that other bint Suzanne Evans.

Paul Nuttall isn't popular enough. Tim Aker is too young. Very few rate Diane James.

Steven Woolfe is the clear front-runner and should be victorious. I'm all over the 7/2 which should go tumbling towards evens over the next few days.

Duty281 wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Thank you Nige, you bloody hero.

Steven Woolfe for next leader, please.

(Note: He is the clear front-runner, but is priced incredibly generously at 7/2).

Recipe for another Party entering the fun of a meltdown then?  Enter rank outsider Carswell, to make the Leadership 'procession' a messy one?

Carswell is a man with no moral courage, he won't stand for leader. Hopefully he will be kicked out of UKIP soon, along with that other bint Suzanne Evans.

Paul Nuttall isn't popular enough. Tim Aker is too young. Very few rate Diane James.

Steven Woolfe is the clear front-runner and should be victorious. I'm all over the 7/2 which should go tumbling towards evens over the next few days.

Roy Hodgson - he's available and is another one without a bloody clue what do in a crisis. Perfect!

Conservative Party leader preference (Con members):
A. Leadsom: 38%
T. May: 37%
M. Gove: 13%
S. Crabb: 6%
L. Fox: 5%
(via ConHome)

If Leadsom can hang on till the final two, she is in with a great chance.

May top after the first round with roughly half the MPs in her corner. Liam Fox eliminated, and Crabb threw in the towel.

Gove pretty much nowhere, suspect he's hanging on for an offer to endorse a candidate in exchange for a top job at this stage.

GSC wrote:May top after the first round with roughly half the MPs in her corner. Liam Fox eliminated, and Crabb threw in the towel.

Gove pretty much nowhere, suspect he's hanging on for an offer to endorse a candidate in exchange for a top job at this stage.

Minister for Stormtroopers?

Ob's stürmt oder schneit, ob die Sonne uns lacht,
Der Tag glühend heiß, oder eiskalt die Nacht,
Bestaubt sind die Gesichter, doch froh ist unser Sinn, ja, unser Sinn.

Es braust unser Panzer im Sturmwind dahin.

SecretFly wrote:

GSC wrote:May top after the first round with roughly half the MPs in her corner. Liam Fox eliminated, and Crabb threw in the towel.

Gove pretty much nowhere, suspect he's hanging on for an offer to endorse a candidate in exchange for a top job at this stage.

Minister for Stormtroopers?

Ob's stürmt oder schneit, ob die Sonne uns lacht,
Der Tag glühend heiß, oder eiskalt die Nacht,
Bestaubt sind die Gesichter, doch froh ist unser Sinn, ja, unser Sinn.

Es braust unser Panzer im Sturmwind dahin.

Come on, I know they're doing well but there's no need to start speaking Welsh

Join in Dave. Stamp your feet.

We'll get this post-Brexit blues mood lifted if we all sing along together.

SecretFly wrote:Join in Dave.  Stamp your feet.  

We'll get this post-Brexit blues mood lifted if we all sing along together.

Whatever are you talking about, I haven't noticed any change in the general mood of the Nation. I have noticed a rise in number of keyboard economists crawling out of the woodwork offering financial advise in their downtime when they've taken a break from shuffling meaningless bits of papers about in an attempt to look busy when the Boss is about (I know, because I'm a black belt in this)

But, hey, I enjoy a good sing-a-long as much as the next man...unless I'm sat next to John Redwood in which case I'd also be wondering why my life has just taken a turn for the creepy.

SecretFly wrote:

GSC wrote:May top after the first round with roughly half the MPs in her corner. Liam Fox eliminated, and Crabb threw in the towel.

Gove pretty much nowhere, suspect he's hanging on for an offer to endorse a candidate in exchange for a top job at this stage.

Minister for Stormtroopers?

Ob's stürmt oder schneit, ob die Sonne uns lacht,
Der Tag glühend heiß, oder eiskalt die Nacht,
Bestaubt sind die Gesichter, doch froh ist unser Sinn, ja, unser Sinn.

Es braust unser Panzer im Sturmwind dahin.

You never told us you were brought up in Argentina?

I'm a multiculturist Globalist Taylor-Swiftite Leftie-LGBTer - brought up in Argentina - yes .....................

???

I thought those were the qualifications needed to join 606?

You mean some of you grew up in some other Nation?

I've been duped!

GSC wrote:May top after the first round with roughly half the MPs in her corner. Liam Fox eliminated, and Crabb threw in the towel.

Gove pretty much nowhere, suspect he's hanging on for an offer to endorse a candidate in exchange for a top job at this stage.

As expected.

May's supporters fear Leadsom more than Gove, so I wouldn't be surprised if Gove got a spike in votes on Thursday to ensure that he faces May when the contest gets opened out to the Tory membership.

Not sure either will worry unduly but agree shed prefer Gove

DAVE667 wrote:Sick of hearing about immigrants sitting on their ar$es doing f*ck all every day and soaking up benefits like a sponge. I'd be happy to vote for the party that comes up with a strategy to prevent the millions of lazy f*cking c*nts who were born and raised here from sitting on their ar$es doing f*ck all every day and soaking up benefits like a sponge.

Thank leftism for that. The more governments invest in things like welfare, the more it grows!

So it's May vs Leadsom

profitius wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:Sick of hearing about immigrants sitting on their ar$es doing f*ck all every day and soaking up benefits like a sponge. I'd be happy to vote for the party that comes up with a strategy to prevent the millions of lazy f*cking c*nts who were born and raised here from sitting on their ar$es doing f*ck all every day and soaking up benefits like a sponge.

Thank leftism for that. The more governments invest in things like welfare, the more it grows!

Unemployment benefit is 0.4 Percent of total spending....2.4 billion out of a 587 billion expenditure....I imagine a good deal of that money goes to genuine cases..

5 billion is stashed offshore every year...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

profitius wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:Sick of hearing about immigrants sitting on their ar$es doing f*ck all every day and soaking up benefits like a sponge. I'd be happy to vote for the party that comes up with a strategy to prevent the millions of lazy f*cking c*nts who were born and raised here from sitting on their ar$es doing f*ck all every day and soaking up benefits like a sponge.

Thank leftism for that. The more governments invest in things like welfare, the more it grows!

Unemployment benefit is 0.4 Percent of total spending....2.4 billion out of a 587 billion expenditure....I imagine a good deal of that money goes to genuine cases..

5 billion is stashed offshore every year...

Still leaves in the region of several hundred million that could go to essential services. Yes there are genuine cases but I'm talking about the utter dross who, generation after generation refuse to contribute anything to society except the t*urds they flush down the lavatory.

Duty281 wrote:I'm all over the 7/2 which should go tumbling towards evens over the next few days.

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-ukip-leader

Just as I thought.

Mr. Woolfe is actually best-priced at evens, with several bookmakers making him the odds-on favourite. This was somewhat helped out by Mr. Nuttall ruling himself out today (a great relief).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36757716

This Eagle woman is dreadful. What are the major policy differences (between her and Corbyn), is what she is asked on three separate occasions - three times she doesn't answer.

Encouraging, isn't it?

Unless an Umunna, Jarvis or D.Miliband were willing to chance it, its hard to see any legitimate contenders to Corbyn. The whole thing is farcical, wouldn't surprise me if the Labour party split in 2. How Corbyn can see most of his shadow cabinet resign and carry on is beyond me.

Is this really a leadership challenge, or is it just a custody battle over the Labour brand?

Spitting image in 2016 would be amazing...

As for Labour, I think their in such a mess, they don't have anyone useful who could step up, it's very low quality in terms of politicians at the moment,  The Tories seem to have loads of decent people in the commons.

Duty281 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:I'm all over the 7/2 which should go tumbling towards evens over the next few days.

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-ukip-leader

Just as I thought.

Mr. Woolfe is actually best-priced at evens, with several bookmakers making him the odds-on favourite. This was somewhat helped out by Mr. Nuttall ruling himself out today (a great relief).

I quite like Paul Nuttall myself, though he's only 38 years old so maybe still a little young.

Leadsom to quit the race apparently, so Theresa May can evict Dave fairly soon you expect

Same state of affairs then.

The Tories, Labour, Lib Dems, Green, SNP, Plaid Cymru will all be representing the 48%.

It's only UKIP who are there for the 52%. Let's hurry up and get Mr. Woolfe in as leader - a serious task awaits.

Sounds like Dave will be evicted imminently rather than letting Gove back in.

GSC wrote:Leadsom to quit the race apparently, so Theresa May can evict Dave fairly soon you expect

Good, can't stand the woman.

Side note but anyone think May has a pretty cracking set of pins on her?

Which leaves us with May. Which means Brexit is miles closer. We're all doomed!

GSC wrote:Leadsom to quit the race apparently, so Theresa May can evict Dave fairly soon you expect

Hopefully...She's a poor candidate....

No real experience in government.....Alienates homosexuals with her record.....Won't tell anyone if her money is offshore......and had a go at all childless couples by suggesting you couldn't lead the country unless you've delivered fruit from your labor...

This clown quitting can only be a good thing.....


As for Eagle she is being used and doesn't know it......She's triggered a leadership election.......If Corbyn gets on the paper she is the sacrificial lamb...If Corbyn is disallowed then other more heavyweight challengers will chuck in too....

Slim chance and no chance for Eagle becoming leader and slim has left town..

'Cracking' might be the operative word. She always looks like she's going to go for a topple if a light enough breeze passes by.

If May is sensible, she will push for a General Election in autumn.

And it would obliterate the Labour Party as a serious force considering their current mess.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

GSC wrote:Leadsom to quit the race apparently, so Theresa May can evict Dave fairly soon you expect

Hopefully...She's a poor candidate....

No real experience in government.....Alienates homosexuals with her record.......

Oh dear, she didn't, did she? What a foot shot! We all know what happens when you alienate a homosexual. "You'll never work in this town again!"

SecretFly wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

GSC wrote:Leadsom to quit the race apparently, so Theresa May can evict Dave fairly soon you expect

Hopefully...She's a poor candidate....

No real experience in government.....Alienates homosexuals with her record.......

Oh dear, she didn't, did she?  What a foot shot!  We all know what happens when you alienate a homosexual.   "You'll never work in this town again!"

In the right place and at the right time I imagine you'd be witty or interesting...

Don't think there'll be a GE until post Brexit tbh. Labours going to obliterate itself on it's own.

Guess Leadsom will get Osborne's job?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

GSC wrote:Leadsom to quit the race apparently, so Theresa May can evict Dave fairly soon you expect

Hopefully...She's a poor candidate....

No real experience in government.....Alienates homosexuals with her record.......

Oh dear, she didn't, did she?  What a foot shot!  We all know what happens when you alienate a homosexual.   "You'll never work in this town again!"

In the right place and at the right time I imagine you'd be witty or interesting...

You know what I'm saying, Truss.

Leadsom trying to protect her reputation for a future challenge I think. As well as getting a job under May.

Expect DC will walk soonish. Doubt he's the type to sit in office at this point.

Quite why Labour want a General Election is a mystery. 2/3s of MPs (or more) will be required to call an early General Election - a great chance for May to increase the wafer-thin majority.

Quite why Farron is keen to lose his last 8 MPs is a bigger mystery. None of the major parties bar UKIP should really want a GE tbh.

Duty281 wrote:

Quite why Labour want a General Election is a mystery. 2/3s of MPs (or more) will be required to call an early General Election - a great chance for May to increase the wafer-thin majority.

Some will want a democratic process whatever the outcome. Think it's important the various parties now set out what they will do/plan to do around an EU exit (or lack of one). All very well saying 52% want out but those 52% don't want the same outcome of that exit.

Think Labour are more concerned with putting pressure on May in the same way the Tories attacked Browns legitimacy. They know a snap election probably isn't happening.

UKIP have slyly introduced a rule saying that leadership candidates must have been members for at least five years to stand - ruling Evans/Carswell out. (Probably) Diane James is ruled out as well.

Look on the brightside...it rules out Nick Griffin too..

Shame, I've always liked him.

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