povetkin fails drug test.

Wilder fight in doubt. A banned substance was found in a vada urine test.

Supposedly the same stuff Sharapova was caught taking.

correct. he tested positive for meldonium

Imagine what the fat mess would look like without PEDs.

After the Sharapova scandal, you would think he wouldn't use that substance.

Perhaps it has long detection.

He admitted to using it until it was banned. That's Ok then!

Amazing that, for all of the heavyweights busted recently - Thompson, Teper, Povetkin, Ortiz, Whyte, Browne, Wach etc. - the four top guys who look like Mr. Universe are clean!

hazharrison wrote:He admitted to using it until it was banned. That's Ok then!

It is though, he would hardly be in the wrong taking a substance that wasn't banned.

Apparently it stays in the system for quite a while. Refer to the tennis forum for discussions on meldonium.

Apparently it stays in the system for quite a while. Refer to the tennis forum for discussions on meldonium.

Apparently it was legal to take in Russia up until last year and it stays in your system for a while.

Strange one.

Athletes are always looking for an edge. Legally or illegally.

When prohormones were legal, all the so called natural bodybuilders used them. Didn't matter to them, the fact they were basically using oral steroids, as long as it didn't show up on a drug test, all is good.

Lots of athletes recently were using sarms. Sarms don't shut you down like steroids, but can help with muscle and bone growth. I also think they are good for endurance and speed.

Sarms were not tested for until pretty recently. I believe a couple of sprinters and cyclists failed wada tests using them.

Athletes are always trying to gain an edge. There are clean athletes, but every sports is riddled with cheats as well.

What are sarms?

WADA stated back in September that Meldonium was going on their banned list as of January 1st this year, so he could have used up until December 31st, not sure how long it stays in your system. According to a report on the BBC website it was the most used substance found in athletes that were tested last year and very likely the reason WADA decided to ban it.

Selective androgen receptor modulater.

Was looking forward to seeing Deontay tested

Why TRUSS?

You think he's taking something too?

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Why TRUSS?

You think he's taking something too?

It's been "Postponed" for now. http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/wilder-vs-povetkin-postponed-338095

Mr Bounce wrote:

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Why TRUSS?

You think he's taking something too?

It's been "Postponed" for now. http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/wilder-vs-povetkin-postponed-338095

Not according to Jay Deas, Wilders manager. He says the fight is off and that it won't happen at all, Wilder will now have a rest as if he had fought.

hazharrison wrote:He admitted to using it until it was banned. That's Ok then!

Amazing that, for all of the heavyweights busted recently - Thompson, Teper, Povetkin, Ortiz, Whyte, Browne, Wach etc. - the four top guys who look like Mr. Universe are clean!

More likely they just haven't been caught yet.

According to Dan Rafael he was tested three times in April passed all three times. Beyond stupid to then use meldonium within two weeks of the fight because fighters take tests after the fight, always. And Meldonium takes an eternity to metabolise.

Atila wrote:

hazharrison wrote:He admitted to using it until it was banned. That's Ok then!

Amazing that, for all of the heavyweights busted recently - Thompson, Teper, Povetkin, Ortiz, Whyte, Browne, Wach etc. - the four top guys who look like Mr. Universe are clean!

More likely they just haven't been caught yet.

Fury - Mr universe? The bar must have dropped in recent years.

I take it he means, Haye, AJ, Wlad and Wilder??

kingraf wrote:According to Dan Rafael he was tested three times in April passed all three times. Beyond stupid to then use meldonium within two weeks of the fight because fighters take tests after the fight, always. And Meldonium takes an eternity to metabolise.

Povetkin's stupidity is the best thing that could have happened for Wilder who I believe would have been comprehensively knocked out.

Do you think??

Not a massive Wilder believer, but Povetkin would struggle with Wilders size and power.

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong

just because he got tested 3 times and came back totally clean doesn't mean anything, because he still could have had the substance in his system they just didn't find it in that sample. Its not like he took it after, that is highly unlikely

They say it is trace amounts so the story they are spinning could be true

However if you break the rules then you get punished, there are no if, buts, or maybes

Boxing should be the one sport with an absolute zero tolerance policy towards drugs

Ideal opportunity far David Haye to step up to the plate and get Wilder over to the UK where he's been based for the last fortnight anyway. Looking at a decent sized crowd with probably more tv exposure that it would have generated in Russia...and plenty of you would have the chance to see David Haye knocked out which I'm sure you'd have loved

Haye would knock Wilder out.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

kingraf wrote:According to Dan Rafael he was tested three times in April passed all three times. Beyond stupid to then use meldonium within two weeks of the fight because fighters take tests after the fight, always. And Meldonium takes an eternity to metabolise.

Povetkin's stupidity is the best thing that could have happened for Wilder who I believe would have been comprehensively knocked out.

Yep. Completely agree. Wilder was about to get dropped like a sack of potatoes

Hate it when I agree with Truss.

Russian sport is a mess and a disgrace - all Russian athletes should be banned from all international compeitions in all sports for the next 2 years minimum.

Completely clean house.

kingraf wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

kingraf wrote:According to Dan Rafael he was tested three times in April passed all three times. Beyond stupid to then use meldonium within two weeks of the fight because fighters take tests after the fight, always. And Meldonium takes an eternity to metabolise.

Povetkin's stupidity is the best thing that could have happened for Wilder who I believe would have been comprehensively knocked out.

Yep. Completely agree. Wilder was about to get dropped like a sack of potatoes

Would you predict a juice free Povetkin to get the job done, if the fight was rearranged??

AdamT wrote:

kingraf wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

kingraf wrote:According to Dan Rafael he was tested three times in April passed all three times. Beyond stupid to then use meldonium within two weeks of the fight because fighters take tests after the fight, always. And Meldonium takes an eternity to metabolise.

Povetkin's stupidity is the best thing that could have happened for Wilder who I believe would have been comprehensively knocked out.

Yep. Completely agree. Wilder was about to get dropped like a sack of potatoes

Would you predict a juice free Povetkin to get the job done, if the fight was rearranged??

I don't know how good a juice free Povetkin is. Can't answer. The guy who went scorched earth on reasonably good opponents post Klitschko against a guy who's spent the last two years going life and death with fighters no one had ever heard of? It was only gonna end one way.

He might not be the same fighter without the drugs. I for one am glad he was caught. Fed up with cheating c**ts in combat sports.

It's a very ambiguous situation; if Povetkin passed three tests in April then failed a test for trace amounts it is highly unlikely he took enough of the substance to make any difference to training or performance. It's a banned substance so a ban is only fair but the Sharapova incident brought up some interesting points about what effect Meledonium actually has if any.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:It's a very ambiguous situation; if Povetkin passed three tests in April then failed a test for trace amounts it is highly unlikely he took enough of the substance to make any difference to training or performance. It's a banned substance so a ban is only fair but the Sharapova incident brought up some interesting points about what effect Meledonium actually has if any.

What a pile of sh1t. Take off your rose tinted glasses, you idiot. He was cheating, end of!

Classy as always Adam and completely ignorant of the situation.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Classy as always Adam and completely ignorant of the situation.

Guy fails drug test for cheating? Am I ignorant?

Or do you believe it was from long ago and Mr Povetkin is being hard done by??

It could possibly be from him taking the substance from a fair while ago, I do not believe that over 200 sportsmen have been using it since January 1st, it has been in the spotlight for months now.

Yes I know Maria was caught with it. I can't accuse Povetkin of any other drugs, because he wasn't detected of any wrong doing.

I know Truss hammers away about cheating Russians, but he has a bloody point.

AdamT wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:It's a very ambiguous situation; if Povetkin passed three tests in April then failed a test for trace amounts it is highly unlikely he took enough of the substance to make any difference to training or performance. It's a banned substance so a ban is only fair but the Sharapova incident brought up some interesting points about what effect Meledonium actually has if any.

What a pile of sh1t. Take off your rose tinted glasses, you idiot. He was cheating, end of!

He's got a point though. There's no recorded benefit to meldonium for people without heart problems. Meldonium has basically been banned because WADA doesn't understand why so many Russians are using it

Makes you wonder what other crap these sports stars are on and you never would know.

Oh well innocent until proving guilty.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:It's a very ambiguous situation; if Povetkin passed three tests in April then failed a test for trace amounts it is highly unlikely he took enough of the substance to make any difference to training or performance. It's a banned substance so a ban is only fair but the Sharapova incident brought up some interesting points about what effect Meledonium actually has if any.

Well presumably it's not just taken for sh!ts & giggles......

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:It's a very ambiguous situation; if Povetkin passed three tests in April then failed a test for trace amounts it is highly unlikely he took enough of the substance to make any difference to training or performance. It's a banned substance so a ban is only fair but the Sharapova incident brought up some interesting points about what effect Meledonium actually has if any.

Well presumably it's not just taken for sh!ts & giggles......

Those are the side effects

New update is that Team Povetkin are refusing to pay Wilder until the fight is over.

Let me get this straight unless I'm missing something:

Povetkin gives 3 samples during first few weeks of April...all come back absolutely spot on.

Povetkin gives another sample end of month....comes back positive for Meledonium.

Wilders team pull out of the fight based on another fighter having taken an illegal substance.

Povetkin claim they took it last Spetember....

Wilders team state (correctly in my mind) that if this was the case, how did you have 3 clean samples and one dirty one....the latter being the latest test AFTER your 3 clean ones??

Team wilder pull out of fight and state they won't fight him until he is clean.

Can someone explain how Wilder is in the wrong here? Can someone explain how they are defending a drug cheat in a combat sport?

If you take a drug and run 5 yards faster, then you win a race.
If you take a drug and punch twice as fast and retain power into the 12th round...you potentially kill another human.

Society is nuts.

Because a false positive proves nothing

Drug may still have been there just due to hydration etc it may not have been in that sample

According to the promoter it's well below the limit allowed by wada

The media has twisted and spun all the information

Plot twist he didn't fail a drug test he tested positive for a banned substance but within the legal limit VADA never said he failed and neither did WADA

We are talking 70 nanograms wada allow 1 microgram

Until we have more information we can't really say anything

WBC and Wilder did the right thing, but the fight is postponed NOT cancelled, the American media are going to look like a bunch of clowns more than likely

Let's wait for more information before we start using words like "Drug Cheat" "Typical Russians"

In fairness, the Yanks are as bad for cheating as the ruskies almost, just they'll never see it that way - bad guys are always the ones abroad, homers are the heros and celebrated as such, regardless of drug use.

Yeah that's the way its gets painted in Britain...

Normal course of treatment for Meldonium is a two week course up to three times a year. Which suggest, and which WADA have already indicated, it stays in the system for three to five months.  BoxingFan tells us that "70 ng" was detected in Povetkin's body whereas up to "1000 ng" is permitted.  So the amount found is fourteen times lower than the permitted threshold.

It is likely that the three earlier passes Povetkin received either did not have the same sensitivity as the later test, or didn't report it because it was below the threshold level.

Since Meldonium was only banned from Jan 1 2016, WADA is having to take this into account. Meldonium was popular amongst athletes because it was a legal loophole to drug taking. It was performance enhancing but wasn't on the list of proscribed (banned) substances. It is a treatment for those with severe heart problems.

Apparently they don't even know if it is performance enhancing

There is no science to prove it

If Povetkin broke the rules (Regardless of whether it is a PED) then he should be punished

But we don't know if he has yet

BoxingFan88 wrote:Yeah that's the way its gets painted in Britain...

What do you mean?

Think the attitude is different to how I've presented it?

Truss evidences what I'm saying perfectly and regularly.

Plus there's my own experiences living & working there.

Don't buy all this 'not even PHD' dross.

If it wasn't, why would anyone take it??

Sharapova said she originally took it for angina (a valid treatment) but apparently the drug manufacturer says even for that it should only be taken for a few months - not year upon year of regular consistent use.

BoxingFan88 wrote:Apparently they don't even know if it is performance enhancing

There is no science to prove it

If Povetkin broke the rules (Regardless of whether it is a PED) then he should be punished

But we don't know if he has yet

Yeah sometimes WADA bans drugs because athletes are idiots. Salbutamol for instance has a threshold despite the fact that various studies have shown NO benefit for people who don't suffer from asthma. And yet...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ulissi-given-nine-month-ban-for-salbutamol-positive/
http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/02/news/synergy-baku-suspends-pliuschin-salbutamol-test_361663