Parker v Takam

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A good fight!. Round 8 in particular. Takam gave Parker a very good fight who looked at a several times in the fight that he might not have the gas to get over the line. Fight was very competitive and will give Parker some great experence to take forward. He had to dig deep and empty the tank to grind out the win. Nice to judges carding 116-112, 116-112, 116-115 scoring the fight pretty fairly instead of stitching Takam up. On this basis it doesnt look like Parker will have enough to beat Joshua if they do actually meet early next year but he has got the kind of examination and experience that Joshua has yet to get in his matches so far.

Fury does sweet FA prior to beating Wlad and in an instant goes from no-hoper/joke/chump to the best thing since sliced bread. Until Fury repeats or betters that feat in the rematch there's nothing to suggest Fury is any better that the likes of Rahman and Douglas.

Oh yeah, sorry for using what I've seen with my eyes to form an opinion. How ridiculous of me.

Fury has beat better opponents than AJ Dave even without klit. And the fact is he HAS beat klit. So it makes no sense to suggest that's irrelevant. Silly things get written on here

EX7EY wrote:Fury has beat better opponents than AJ Dave even without klit. And the fact is he HAS beat klit. So it makes no sense to suggest that's irrelevant. Silly things get written on here

Who might that be? Chisora? Steve Cunningham?

Realistically Wlad is head and knees over anything else Fury has shared a ring with. And if Fury gets knocked out in their rematch the first will count for little if anything.

You're right though, a lot of silly things get spouted around here.

Of course Wlad is miles better than furys other victims, it's not hard in this Era of heavyweights to be fair is it.

But the fact still remains that Fury best Wlad and he is the legitimate unified heavyweight champion of the world.

Fury isn't popular because his style is quite scruffy and he doesn't do anything particularly well. He flicks his jab a lot and doesn't appear to posses one punch ko power like AJ.

People don't want him to be good but he is. And that's that. He'll do a better job on Wlad second time around.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

ebop wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

ebop wrote:Why does Parker not have enough to beat AJ?

Did  you not  watch Saturday's  fight?

And if you did, have you never seen AJ fight?????

Yeah I watched the fight and have seen AJ fight Whyte. It's clear to see Parker still has a lot of learning ahead but he's taken more solid punches in one fight and survived than AJ ever has. Parker was worn down by Takam quite early in the fight but he had enough guts, determination and skill to keep it together and win. He's a warrior.

I'd like to see how AJ would handle being tagged as many times as Parker was by a fighter of Takam's quality. Whyte doesn't count because he did f**k all to be fair.

Again, why do people think shipping punishment is a good thing??! AJ took a big shot against Whyte (not proven on Takam's level but no reason to think his power isn't better) and survived the round (plenty still to go), regroup and sparked him.

Such a dismal attitude towards assessing a boxer.

Don't get me wrong TopHat24/7, I don't think Parker is great just because he took some punishment and survived. And I said it's clear he's got a long way to go. He's being rushed imo. Parker has said that the 12 week camp before the Takam fight was too long and his body crashed. So they learnt something there. Parker has now been seriously tested and he passed. He's not a world beater yet, no one's saying that. He has potential though and an OK chin by the looks of it.

Fury is the heavyweight champion at the moment and Joshua is the guy with something to prove. I think the bookies would have it close, but I would take (assuming in shape) Fury to beat Joshua if the fight happens in the near future. Beyond that, Joshua looks to have the better potential if he can begin to connect experience and skills with his raw power and athleticism.

Fury doesnt have the power Joshua has but it probably meant he ended up getting more rounds, more experience and sharpened his skills in the long run which stood to him when it was time to fight for the championship. Blasting out a handful of overmatched nobodies isnt great preparation. Joshua needs a better level of opposition if hes going to develop, but he will make great money knocking out poor opposition and there isnt really a top quality heavyweight out there to build towards anyhow.

Its difficult to know with these fearsome punching heavyweight, how good they whole package is until they start getting matched against a certain level of opposition. The can look a million dollars against outgunned opponents which can hide the limitations in their set up when they find themselves in situtions where its not just one way traffic. Whte is the onl heavyweight that Joshua has faced that I felt showed up with any kind of devil in him to make a fight and enough pride to be unwilling to fold easily.

Fury isn't some chump who is going to roll over, he has some serious skill, just because you don't like him doesn't mean that he isn't good

The AJ vs Fury fight will be interesting, I think Fury will make a real statement in July so it might swing your opinion of the fight somewhat

catchweight wrote:Fury is the heavyweight champion at the moment and Joshua is the guy with something to prove. I think the bookies would have it close, but I would take (assuming in shape) Fury to beat Joshua if the fight happens in the near future. Beyond that, Joshua looks to have the better potential if he can begin to connect experience and skills with his raw power and athleticism.

Fury doesnt have the power Joshua has but it probably meant he ended up getting more rounds, more experience and sharpened his skills in the long run which stood to him when it was time to fight for the championship. Blasting out a handful of overmatched nobodies isnt great preparation. Joshua needs a better level of opposition if hes going to develop, but he will make great money knocking out poor opposition and there isnt really a top quality heavyweight out there to build towards anyhow.

Its difficult to know with these fearsome punching heavyweight, how good they whole package is until they start getting matched against a certain level of opposition. The can look a million dollars against outgunned opponents which can hide the limitations in their set up when they find themselves in situtions where its not just one way traffic. Whte is the onl heavyweight that Joshua has faced that I felt showed up with any kind of devil in him to make a fight and enough pride to be unwilling to fold easily.

EVERY heavyweight has some power and I'm pretty sure Fury doesn't plant his feet and sit down on his shots as much, but he has pop

He doesn't hit as hard as Joshua, but Joshua isn't as fast or as nimble as Fury

So it depends, right now Fury is the proven number one

For me, it's impossible to predict how a fury AJ fight would go at the moment. It's entirely believable that AJ could blast him out of there, not being gunshy like Wlad and prepared to take a few to land his.

It's also entirely believable that he get's out manoeuvred and taken out of his comfort zone, by a guy skilled enough to keep him at range and not let him get  set.

You can make a case that fury was the perfect antidote to wlad's style and that it would count for little against AJ. Or you can point to how Fury also completely shut out Chisora and disillusioned him, when other guys have known they were in a fight... like  Pulev.

Fury is definitely under-rated by many, and AJ over-rated (if only in the sense of as yet being unproven)... it's really not a fight i'd put money if it happened tomorrow.

EX7EY wrote:Just go back and read the threads on here prior to the Whyte fight. Whyte was getting butchered by everyone. Saying he was garbage. And post fight everyone thinks he was a good test. Load of garbage. AJ is nothing but a paper champ in a poor division and he will get done as soon as he fights someone that's half decent. I'm 100% confident in that.

Will bookmark that little ditty for another time (many times).

EX7EY wrote:AJ Beats the square route of sweet fa, fury beats klit in Germany and you somehow conclude AJ wins with no doubt. Your Eddie hearns kind of guy mate. Facebook might be a better place for you to talk boxing, there's loads of you on there you'll fit right in

How many "Stellas down your local" had you had before posting the evening's diatribe??

EX7EY wrote:Fury has beat better opponents than AJ Dave even without klit. And the fact is he HAS beat klit. So it makes no sense to suggest that's irrelevant. Silly things get written on here

Would love to see your rationale for this argument.

Care to set it out??

EX7EY wrote:Oh yeah, sorry for using what I've seen with my eyes to form an opinion. How ridiculous of me.

Yet anyone using their eyes and forming the opinion that AJ has to tools to beat Fury is somehow wrong?

Clown!

I thought this topic was about Parker v Takam. It seems Parker's team have realized he isn't ready to play with the big boys yet and have got a fight with Solomon Haumono arranged for July. His stamina and defence are pretty suspect at the moment.

Fury went to Germany and beat Wladimir. Wouldn't matter if he'd only fought Arnold the cobra beforehand if he beat Wlad.
This who's he fought beforehand stuff is desperate nonsense. He did what no one's come close to doing for years and became the man. If he beats him again he deserves even more praise. Even a shot Wlad (if he's deemed so) is still probably the 2nd best boxer in the division.

rapidringsroad wrote:His stamina and defence are pretty suspect at the moment.

What's Takam's excuse for losing after 12 rounds?

ebop wrote:

rapidringsroad wrote:His stamina and defence are pretty suspect at the moment.

What's Takam's excuse for losing after 12 rounds?

He failed to pressure and gave away too many rounds, freebies, to Parker. Whenever he tried a bit Parker was all over the place.

You dispute that his defence was clearly porous then??

YDKSAB......

TopHat24/7 wrote:

ebop wrote:

rapidringsroad wrote:His stamina and defence are pretty suspect at the moment.

What's Takam's excuse for losing after 12 rounds?

He failed to pressure and gave away too many rounds, freebies, to Parker.  Whenever he tried a bit Parker was all over the place.

You dispute that his defence was clearly porous then??

YDKSAB......

Where did I say that?

You can't read mate.

TopHat24/7 wrote:YDKSAB......

YAFCS

Take your hand off your knob.

DAVE667 wrote:

EX7EY wrote:Oh yeah, sorry for using what I've seen with my eyes to form an opinion. How ridiculous of me.

Yet anyone using their eyes and forming the opinion that AJ has to tools to beat Fury is somehow wrong?

Clown!

I didn't say that. Hard work to talk to on here you are pal. People are saying AJ DEFINITELY beats Fury. Im saying there is no hard evidence available to say that with certainty. Have an opinion but don't state facts based on nothing. AJ bowling over 16 nobodies is not evidence.

CLOWN!

There's no evidence that Fury beats or even competes against AJ, hell there no facts until something actually happens.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:There's no evidence that Fury beats or even competes against AJ, hell there no facts until something actually happens.

Put your bong down lad.  He beat Wlad.  More evidence than blasting out the likes of Charles Martin and the other 15 nobodies.

No evidence that fury even competes with AJ hahahaha. I can't take half of you lot seriously

This forum is hard, hard work.

AJ is not Wlad and Fury won that fight barely throwing punches against an old man who threw even less, not exactly relevant to an AJ fight is it.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:AJ is not Wlad and Fury won that fight barely throwing punches against an old man who threw even less, not exactly relevant to an AJ fight is it.

OK buddy, direct me to all of your comments pre fight Wlad v Fury 1 where you told us all that Wlad was an old man and Fury would beat him....

But no, I'm sure you made comments how Wlad would demolish Fury in a few rounds just like everybody else on here did. It's easy to use words like 'old' and 'shot' after the fact. It can't just be that Fury was the better man and did what nobody else has done for a long time can it.

Wasn't a pretty fight but Fury won, simple as that.

And also one thing I would agree with you on is AJ is definitely no Wlad, you're spot on.

What you've expertly done is show that pre fight 'evidence' largely means nothing, well done in trying to act all smart you've proved my point exactly.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:What you've expertly done is show that pre fight 'evidence' largely means nothing, well done in trying to act all smart you've proved my point exactly.

Clutching at straws mate, stop it its cringeworthy.

All Im saying is you cannot say AJ definitely beats Fury based on the evidence available. Just as I am not saying he definitely won't. If I was having a bet all my money would go on Fury I'll say that much.

Based on the fact AJ is blasting out bowling pins and Fury is the legitimate HW champ I'd say my opinion is the sensible one.

I can't wait until AJ unravels. I'll be on here immediately dishing out I told you so's. Until then my friend, au revoir.

Muppet.

ebop wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

ebop wrote:

rapidringsroad wrote:His stamina and defence are pretty suspect at the moment.

What's Takam's excuse for losing after 12 rounds?

He failed to pressure and gave away too many rounds, freebies, to Parker.  Whenever he tried a bit Parker was all over the place.

You dispute that his defence was clearly porous then??

YDKSAB......

Where did I say that?

You can't read mate.

And you can't debate.

What the hell did your response have to do with Parker's noted suspect stamina & defence then????

TopHat24/7 wrote:Muppet.

Im so offended

Someone's been on the special brew again......

EX7EY wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:What you've expertly done is show that pre fight 'evidence' largely means nothing, well done in trying to act all smart you've proved my point exactly.

Clutching at straws mate, stop it its cringeworthy.

All Im saying is you cannot say AJ definitely beats Fury based on the evidence available.  Just as I am not saying he definitely won't.  If I was having a bet all my money would go on Fury I'll say that much.

Based on the fact AJ is blasting out bowling pins and Fury is the legitimate HW champ I'd say my opinion is the sensible one.

I can't wait until AJ unravels. I'll be on here immediately dishing out I told you so's. Until then my friend, au revoir.

You've got the maturity and intelligence of a single cell amoeba then I see, based on what i've seen the sensible opinion is that AJ knocks out the clown.

I might save this thread for the next time people whinge that the mods are too heavy handed or unfair when they ban people.

With absolutely no intervention from any of us the thread has dissolved into name calling and insults. It will of course be the mods fault when the thread gets locked or folk get banned though obviously.

Yeah, some of the same culprits as always. Dave is always one of the first ones to start with the names. Toppy and Hammersmith are almost like the same poster and have about as much intelligence as a blade of grass between them.

But yet these people are allowed to continue posting in this manner.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

ebop wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

ebop wrote:

rapidringsroad wrote:His stamina and defence are pretty suspect at the moment.

What's Takam's excuse for losing after 12 rounds?

He failed to pressure and gave away too many rounds, freebies, to Parker.  Whenever he tried a bit Parker was all over the place.

You dispute that his defence was clearly porous then??

YDKSAB......

Where did I say that?

You can't read mate.

And you can't debate.

And you've got tunnel vision. It's really disappointing to see a 'so called' self appointed blow smoke up my own bum expert like yourself sweep Takam under the rug like that. Is there any room for Whyte?

Don't see the fuss about Takam.

He outlasted a 42 year old Thompson and apart from the couple of names that he beat who should have been playing bingo with the rest of the pensioners, he doesn't have any particularly impressive wins.

Well you could say the exact same for AJ as well DJ. Not saying Takem is great but he's arguably better than anyone on AJs resume. That's the issue with the HW division is its so shallow of talent it's hard to say with any certainty who is the better.

Fury does undoubtedly have the best win against Wlad but it remains to be seen if it was a fluke, Wlad got old or just had an off night. It could be a combination of all 3.

I think it's unfair to start insulting one another because they have a different opinion as reading them all any one could actually be correct. I picked Parker to brag AJ but I'm not going to viscously disagree with anyone who thinks otherwise.

At least there is some decent looking fights out there so it's interesting to see what happens even if probably none of them will go down as ATGs.

A very reasonable post melv500, spot on, well played.

Cheers mate.