England's Summer Tours

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First team to Australia

Fixtures
11th June v Australia, Brisbane 11.00 BST
18th June v Australia, Melbourne 11:00
25th June v Australia, Sydney 11:00

All games on Sky Sports 1


Squad

Forwards:
D Cole (Leicester), L Cowan-Dickie (Exeter), J Clifford (Harlequins), E Genge (Leicester), J George (Saracens), T Harrison (Northampton), D Hartley (c) (Northampton), J Haskell (Wasps), P Hill (Northampton), M Itoje (Saracens), G Kruis (Saracens), J Launchbury (Wasps), C Lawes (Northampton), M Mullan (Wasps), C Robshaw (Harlequins), K Sinckler (Harlequins), B Vunipola (Saracens), M Vunipola (Saracens).

Backs:
M Brown (Harlequins), D Care (Harlequins), E Daly (Wasps), O Farrell (Saracens), G Ford (Bath), A Goode (Saracens), J Joseph (Bath), J Nowell (Exeter), H Slade (Exeter), B Te'o (Worcester), A Watson (Bath), M Yarde (Harlequins), B Youngs (Leicester). Luther Burrell (Northampton Saints)




Saxons in South Africa

Fixtures
Friday 10th June v South Africa A, Bloemfontein 18:10 BST
Friday 17th June v South Africa A, George 18:10 BST

Cannot find these games on TV, will update if anything announced.


Squad

Forwards:
Ross Harrison (Sale Sharks), Alec Hepburn (Exeter Chiefs), Tommy Taylor (Wasps), George McGuigan (Newcastle Falcons), Jake Cooper-Woolley (Wasps), Kieran Brookes (Northampton Saints), James Craig (Northampton Saints), Mitch Lees (Exeter Chiefs), Charlie Ewels (Bath), Dave Attwood (Bath), Dave Ewers (Exeter Chiefs), Donovan Armand (Exeter Chiefs), Matt Kvesic (Gloucester), James Chisholm (Harlequins), Sam Jones (Wasps).

Backs:
Dan Robson (Wasps), Michael Young (Newcastle Falcons), Oliver Devoto (Bath), Danny Cipriani (Wasps), Christian Wade (Wasps), Semesa Rokoduguni (Bath), Sam Hill (Exeter Chiefs), Nick Tompkins (Saracens), Luther Burrell (Northampton Saints), Alex Lewington (London Irish), Sam James (Sale Sharks), Mike Haley (Sale Sharks).

Beeb reporting that Haskell and Nowell unlikely to be fit for T3.

LondonTiger wrote:Beeb reporting that Haskell and Nowell unlikely to be fit for T3.

An excellent chance for Yarde and Clifford, then.

Poorfour wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:Beeb reporting that Haskell and Nowell unlikely to be fit for T3.

An excellent chance for Yarde and Clifford, then.

I'd give Launchbury and Lawes a chance as well.

Kruis has looked more subdued the last two games after a very long season and Lawes has been good when he's come on. I'd give Kruis a break from another 60 minutes of action. Similar for Billy who was good on Saturday but does look slightly down on his best from this season, not criticising him but he's played a lot of rugby.

1.Mako
2.Hartley
3.Cole
4.Launchbury
5.Lawes
6.Itoje
7.Robshaw
8.Clifford

16.George 17.Mullan 18.Hill 19.Kruis 20.Billy

Ideally rotation of the front row would be nice but with all three playing very well as a unit I'd like to see what they can do with a pitch that copes with a scrum on it.

king_carlos wrote:

Poorfour wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:Beeb reporting that Haskell and Nowell unlikely to be fit for T3.

An excellent chance for Yarde and Clifford, then.

I'd give Launchbury and Lawes a chance as well.

Kruis has looked more subdued the last two games after a very long season and Lawes has been good when he's come on. I'd give Kruis a break from another 60 minutes of action. Similar for Billy who was good on Saturday but does look slightly down on his best from this season, not criticising him but he's played a lot of rugby.

1.Mako
2.Hartley
3.Cole
4.Launchbury
5.Lawes
6.Itoje
7.Robshaw
8.Clifford

16.George 17.Mullan 18.Hill 19.Kruis 20.Billy

Ideally rotation of the front row would be nice but with all three playing very well as a unit I'd like to see what they can do with a pitch that copes with a scrum on it.

I think the team for next week depends on how much beer Eddie let them all have last night.............

I don't think he will want to make many changes. Nowell and Haskell out will surely have a knock on in limiting other changes

They won't want too much disruption if they want to take the final match!

Wouldn't be surprised to see Harrison in for Haskell either

When Haskell came off he was clearly limping but also struggling with upper rib/pectoral injury of some kind. One of his teammates gently patted him on the upper chest as he was coming off and he reacted. In the match, he took a real beating and kept going. He has earned his rest.

I think they'll have to make changes: after a long season post World Cup with many key players barely rested at all and 2 intense matches here in Aus, the latter a monumental defensive (more draining than offensive) effort, if we assume everyone will be fresh enough to win the next match with this squad I think they'll really struggle by 60 and we can't sub everyone

I also wonder what Australia will have left in the tank. I do think one reason they played the way they did (stupid, too much aggro etc) yesterday was as a direct reaction to test 1.

It is probably safe to say they will be very happy to see the back of Haskell. Thought Nowell played well too.

Tired legs next week- think Watson and Joseph will become more prominent and the perfect match, if it's dry, to start Clifford.

England are on a high at the moment - 1st XV, Saxons and U20's all flying.

There will be some losses to bring us down to earth a little bit...however, I think these teams (especially the Saxons and U20's) are showing that the talent is really starting to come through and it needed the right coaches in place.

Hopefully we have that now and the 1st team will go from strength to strength.

Every position seems to have players coming through and competition.

Could the summer have gone any better?

LondonTiger wrote:Could the summer have gone any better?

We could have swapped our final test with Wales and beaten NZ at their place, but outside of that fantasy land, nope.

LondonTiger wrote:Could the summer have gone any better?

10 from 10 makes this the best summer in English rugby history I reckon.

You could swapped tours with Ireland and got a first series win in SA.

Tour series win in Oz? Meh - sure loads of teams have done that....

LondonTiger wrote:Could the summer have gone any better?

In Rugby terms, basically no.  In real life terms, well, that's another story.

I am trying to avoid the implications of RL stuff Doc. In amongst being a single dad to two teenage girls, have been scrabbling around trying to make sure the result from Thursday does not drive my business into insolvency.

So Love sacks to RL and yay to rugby life.

LondonTiger wrote:I am trying to avoid the implications of RL stuff Doc. In amongst being a single dad to two teenage girls, have been scrabbling around trying to make sure the result from Thursday does not drive my business into insolvency.

So Love sacks to RL and yay to rugby life.

I came back home just to vote. I have been a proud Brit my whole life. Words absolutely fail me at the moment.
On the other hand, I cannot agree more with your comment about the Rugby life. Best of luck for your business. And even more for having two teenage girls........