The next England manager

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As of this moment Gareth Southgate, heavy favourite since Woy wesigned, has declared himself not interested in succeeding Hodgson on a permanent nor interim basis.

So, who is the next England manager? Can we really get by with an interim job and hope Wenger will take it in a year? That would actually be better than pretty much anything I can think of, but is dreamland levels of unlikely.

So why should we give a toss about yours?

i genuinely found the england side more entertaining with heskey in the side than this current squad. the ability to go quickly forward is sadly going out of the game (with the exception of Leicester this season)

LiamB wrote:So why should we give a toss about yours?

Probably more a personal question for yourself since you seem to eagerly await each one.

Only slightly more annoying

I really feel our players aren't that great, especially the defense, which good teams are built on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR_lRo_MtBo

This is the sort of passion En-ger-land will need if we're gonna take the fight to Johnny Foreigner!

I just hope Fat Sam shoves Jurgen Low over one day

I want to see him laughing at a Spaniard diving as England manager

Knowsit17 wrote:The day the FA all but confessed they're happy with middling status.

How you reach the conclusion Big Sam is the tonic to Hodgson's mess is inexplicable. There's not what you'd call a world of difference between them.

Good luck being the West Ham of international football.

As I recall West Ham were pretty good under Sam...to begin with anyway...


Look at it this way...we've tried managers with impressive international track records (Eriksson, Capello etc.) and still failed miserably.

The last tournaments we actually did anything of note, we had English managers (Bobby Robson at Italia '90 and Terry Venables at Euro 96)...though to be fair we also had relatively better squads.


I still maintain that the single biggest problem is the players' attitude / mentality. They just haven't got the intelligence or bottle to cope with big tournaments. Until the FA and Premier League start fostering a culture in which players are encouraged to think for themselves and make good decisions on the pitch, without having to be coached every second AND develop the mental toughness so they can do this under pressure, it won't matter WHO we have as manager.

If Allardyce can at least pick a squad so we have players playing in their accustomed roles and get them organised, so they know exactly what they're supposed to be doing, that will be a step in the right direction.

Steve Bruce is holding talks to be England manager.

What happened with big Sam?

Bruce doesn't sound like the most attractive option but I'm not really that bothered who it is. At least Bruce and Sam have got years of experience.

Bruce and Allardyce are much of muchness. Bruce has achieved just as much, if not more, but failed a couple times too. Least he was a very good player and has winners medals to shut people up, I guess

Sam Allardyce is still favourite, they're just casting the net out and interviewing others.

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Bruce and Allardyce are much of muchness. Bruce has achieved just as much, if not more, but failed a couple times too. Least he was a very good player and has winners medals to shut people up, I guess

I've always been of the opinion that if you have to point to stuff you won as a player, you're not doing a very good job as manager.


I reckon they should appoint Alan Sugar. At least he wouldn't be afraid to fire drop players who didn't perform.


Or failing that, the FA should put a nice juicy contract together, to tempt Alex Ferguson out of retirement.

Sounds like the FA have appointed Allardyce.

Not my first choice, but best Englishman from a weak crop. I can only hope he evolves our style rather than bringing back Carroll and regressing to Euro 2012 style tactics.

Euro 2012 style tactics have won Denmark, Greece and Portugal tournaments.

We knew it was Big Sam about a week ago. Nothing sort of appointment really, it's not a step forward or a step back.

WC formats are not so forgiving for playing negative styles & the standard of opposition goes to another level. Can't see us evolving into anything other than 'sit back & counter'.

dont think we could get much worse so we'll see what he brings. do think we need a stronger personality who wont bow down to the current batch of prima donners that is the england team. dont necessarily believe we will play hump it football either under sam. it will certainly be a option but its better than roys pass it side ways but never get a shot on goal football

Portugal were slightly more ambitious if we're being fair. But I'd rather actually enjoy watching England play rather than parking the bus and hoping our lottery ticket comes in for a whole tournament.

His first phone call, should be to tell Rooney, that he won't be selected for International football anymore.

GSC wrote:Portugal were slightly more ambitious if we're being fair. But I'd rather actually enjoy watching England play rather than parking the bus and hoping our lottery ticket comes in for a whole tournament.

really dont see what was entertaining about England in this and previous tournaments it was awful. under roy we have scored 7 goals in 7 games. i bet sams "park the bus" will score more than that

Just want us to name one already, then they can plan our next disaster in 2 year times.

NickisBHAFC wrote:Just want us to name one already, then they can plan our next disaster in 2 year times.

we have, big sam

I'm weirdly happy with Sam. Kick ar$e time for our pampered lot.

He's very stubborn. I can't see him being as aggressive and combative a manager as people think. He's quite studious too, he certainly won't be expecting England to win cos they're England, he'll know what he thinks he can exploit in every side we face.

But I think the best reflection of his time to compare to the England job is his time with West Ham. Newcastle got rid before he really had a chance to prove himself, but with us he did the stability bit like in many jobs, but had to then do more. He didn't fail as such, but he couldn't meet expectations. He reverts to type when challenged, and it isn't always pretty.

Right now England are going nowhere, so at least having someone who won't take any rubbish is useful. I don't expect to leave the group stages of the WC if we qualify.

So Big Sam it is !

I don't mind , to be honest. Sure a lot of posters will be on to denounce the choice , but I prefer to wait and see what he does.

Can hardly do any worse in WC and Euro than the last few managers - English or foreign...

At least he won't lack confidence.

Good luck to Allardyce, he's going to need it.

Allardyce has signed a two-year deal

Yeah I agree...probably going to create mixed reactions from fans but ill wait and see how he goes. Hes not the best manager in the world....but I'm actually going to be positive.

I hated Roy Hodgson being picked and his whole tenure. I just don't rate him at all. At least Sam has produced good sides - most notably his time with Bolton.

Many are saying he's a long ball specialist but hes actually not (though I would still expect to see a target man of sorts up front). He'll mix up the play - something we badly missed this world cup - especially against Iceland! Don't forget whilst Sam likes structure and work rate he does like players with ability and the x-factor - he's previously signed Okocha, Djorkaeff, etc etc

At least the squad will actually know which style and system they will be playing unlike under Hodgson who even himself didn't seem to know!

It may go pearshaped...but Erikson, Capello, etc couldn't do anything so lets see if a rock solid experienced Premiership manager can do any better.

Allardyce officially confirmed

Quite like Big Sam.

Good luck to him, hope he does well.

Underwhelming.

Refuses to name Rooney as captain, writing may be on the wall hopefully.

Expect that's a sign that Rooney may be out of the reckoning, or at the very least not named captain so that Allardyce doesn't feel as pressured to play him. Think if Mourinho uses him as a 10 or as a striker, he's not going to get into England side. Kane, Vardy and Sturridge are definitely better as forwards and I think Alli, Barkley and Lallana probably get ahead as number 10s. 

Sammy Lee will be assistant manager, has experience working with England and with Allardyce so reasonably smart appointment. Paul Clement will be a coach as well, think he's a good coach, although probably not a great manager. Lampard, Ferdinand and Gerrard are all under consideration for coaching roles as well.

Crimey wrote:Expect that's a sign that Rooney may be out of the reckoning, or at the very least not named captain so that Allardyce doesn't feel as pressured to play him. Think if Mourinho uses him as a 10 or as a striker, he's not going to get into England side. Kane, Vardy and Sturridge are definitely better as forwards and I think Alli, Barkley and Lallana probably get ahead as number 10s. 

Sammy Lee will be assistant manager, has experience working with England and with Allardyce so reasonably smart appointment. Paul Clement will be a coach as well, think he's a good coach, although probably not a great manager. Lampard, Ferdinand and Gerrard are all under consideration for coaching roles as well.

Surely we have better than him. He had so many chances this Euro and failed to hit the target...appalling for an attacking player!

One things for sure though...some of these "young potential" players like Barkley, Wilshire etc need to start earning their stripes by performing.

And he needs to find some centre backs from somewhere!

GeordieFalcon wrote:

Crimey wrote:Expect that's a sign that Rooney may be out of the reckoning, or at the very least not named captain so that Allardyce doesn't feel as pressured to play him. Think if Mourinho uses him as a 10 or as a striker, he's not going to get into England side. Kane, Vardy and Sturridge are definitely better as forwards and I think Alli, Barkley and Lallana probably get ahead as number 10s. 

Sammy Lee will be assistant manager, has experience working with England and with Allardyce so reasonably smart appointment. Paul Clement will be a coach as well, think he's a good coach, although probably not a great manager. Lampard, Ferdinand and Gerrard are all under consideration for coaching roles as well.

Surely we have better than him. He had so many chances this Euro and failed to hit the target...appalling for an attacking player!

One things for sure though...some of these "young potential" players like Barkley, Wilshire etc need to start earning their stripes by performing.

And he needs to find some centre backs from somewhere!

I thought Lallana did OK in his role as an inside right attacker - got into some good positions and had a few chances plus gave a good shape with the fullback overlapping. Only problem was he's not a natural finisher. Don't see him as a first choice 10 though...

True about the young(ish) players needing to start showing improvement.

As for central defenders, Allardyce was something of a no-nonsense stopper himself, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Shawcross get a look in. Could make a good partnership with Stones, a bit in the Terry and Ferdinand mould.

I agree lalana is not a natural finisher...but I expect international attacking players to be able to take a couple of chances.

Shawcross is an interesting suggestion.
I think we need an aggressive no frills CB. He could be the answer alongside a more cultured defender which Stones can provide.

Cahill is a poor mans John Terry and should be slung on the heap as far as im concerned.

Once we're back in the prem - Laschelles will be fast tracked in to the England side. He's a big physical lad and will show this season how good he can be. And he's likely to be our captain this season.