Frosty Reception for cheating Saltman

Here is a video with a short interview with saltman and some current european tour players. There are also some thoughts from some regular club members.

http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,12978_6737935,00.html

He is playing a satellite event that for some reason his ban does not cover, the views of the tour players are that he should not be allowed to play anywhere. It really is an injustice to those he cheated and the game that he can still win money despite being banned and proven to be a cheat.

The tour players including oliver wilson and lee westwood rightly show no sympathy for him and seem to suggest his punishment did not go far enough. Strangely the hi5 tour player they interviewed was one of the few to show sympathy.

What is especially sad is that saltman seems unable to apologise for his actions despite the fact everyone knows about his cheating. It is a total disrespect to the game and even more so to his peers. I personally think lifetime ban for the european and challenge tour would have been the only fitting punishment.

If he launches an appeal and fails his ban should become very severe.

Personally don't think the ban fitted the crime, he should have got far longer for his blatent and proven cheating, as for playing the Hi 5 tour, ridiculous his ban should cover all forms of competition, he should not be allowed to earn from the game for the duration of his ban, only then by hitting him in the wallet properly would the message get accross, for me even if they were not willing to enforce alifetime, ban it should have been a removal off all playing priviledges for at least 6months and a removal of his tour card. Meaning that he could try fro Q School again, but not play any challenge or ET events until he had re-qualified.

The man is a disgrace and as for sympathy no chance.

Mac, guess you're not sitting on the fence here I remember when this subject was posted on 606, and it got a hell of a lot of posts. If I remember correctly, someone mentioned that ES was well known in the sport for doing this, but this was the first time he had been brought in front of the commitee and sanctioned. I believe he was warned at some stage earlier about it, but don't know if any of these points are correct. If they are, then I'm with you and he should have been banned from the game, all pro tours.

Also I seem to remember that Zanescotty asked for a bit of leniancy from us as we didn't know the whole truth, and give him the benefit of the doubt. zane obviously knows more than we do, but what we do know establishes ES a cheat. So with what I do know feel he needed to be banned for the season minimum, ordered to work with kids and next season back in Q school.

I still think that a live beheading on Al Jazerra was the right punishment for this myself.

LondonJonnyO wrote:I still think that a live beheading on Al Jazerra was the right punishment for this myself.

I love this new 606, you wouldn't have been able to say that on the Beeb :606laugh:

drive4show wrote:

LondonJonnyO wrote:I still think that a live beheading on Al Jazerra was the right punishment for this myself.

I love this new 606, you wouldn't have been able to say that on the Beeb :606laugh:

As it advertises another broadcaster?

Sky will do anything, to get one over the terrestrial television

I heard someone the other day say their local boozer had Al Jazeera TV just so they could get live football!

Davie wrote:I heard someone the other day say their local boozer had Al Jazeera TV just so they could get live football!

So are you suggesting that this would make a good half-time filler for this major sporting broadcaster then Davie?

It couldn't be any worse than some of the football we see LJ :joeybarton:

:606laugh:

The commentary could certainly be interesting.

What's the arabic for 'moved his head to an 8 o'clock position thus ensuring only a partial slice gaining him at least 5 minutes of additional life'

I thought there was an elephant involved in your original suggestion for a punishment?

Or was that for something else?

Desperado wrote:I thought there was an elephant involved in your original suggestion for a punishment?

Or was that for something else?

That was posted purely as I was interested in what execution by elephant entailed... however I'm sure that Al Jazerra would happily borrow an elephant from the zoo for this.

Loads of pubs around here have Al Jazeera so they can show football. They're not allowed to turn it on any earlier than kick off and it goes straight off afterwards. Seriously!

I wish people would stop using this one :joeybarton:
I'm not sure what it's meant to represent but it looks decidedly dodgy to me!! Poor little red bloke

LJ

the more you post on here the more I wish for the days of bbc 606 moderation. Please stay on topic and quit with the unnecessary remarks. Davie, do your job.


Given the reception waiting for saltman from his fellow pro's and a three month absence can we really see him keeping his card? It is hard enough for q school graduates without playing in constant discomfort in your surroundings. You would hope the pros have the balls to tell him what they think of his actions.

MustPuttBetter wrote:Loads of pubs around here have Al Jazeera so they can show football. They're not allowed to turn it on any earlier than kick off and it goes straight off afterwards. Seriously!

I think my local has it as well... We watched the Ryder Cup on Al Jazerra.. which was highly entertaining.

I bet they didn't show any adverts!

McLaren wrote:LJ

the more you post on here the more I wish for the days of bbc 606 moderation. Please stay on topic and quit with the unnecessary remarks. Davie, do your job.

McLaren. As we don't yet have a "charter" from the site owners, my "job" here is to only remove posts that clearly break rules on grounds of legality, WUMs or posts of severe bad taste. As far as I can see, LJ hasn't crossed any of those boundaries.

The old 606 was greatly criticized for now allowing any off topic posts (though some crept through). There is no such charter here. It's up to the users to bring things back on topic if they feel the topic drift is getting too bad.

It would be good if kwini was on here to provide some insight into how the pga tour deal with cheating, but given the outcomes of the last two instances of cheating on the euro tour it would seem cheating is not as bad a crime as one would expect. The other cheating episode of course being monty's jakartagate, where nothing was done.

There are of course a few brain davis or poulter type stories going about so we can only hope the players honesty couples with the tv cameras on the bigger tours is enough of a deterrent.

Since there could be a court case about this, I would have thought it would be best if this post was removed.

It's also pretty pathetic reading the way that some people who don't know the rules themselves have pilloried Elliot Saltman.

McLaren wrote:It would be good if kwini was on here to provide some insight into how the pga tour deal with cheating, but given the outcomes of the last two instances of cheating on the euro tour it would seem cheating is not as bad a crime as one would expect. The other cheating episode of course being monty's jakartagate, where nothing was done.

There are of course a few brain davis or poulter type stories going about so we can only hope the players honesty couples with the tv cameras on the bigger tours is enough of a deterrent.

Which are?

Considering that Brian Davis recently called a penalty on himself that lost him a playoff and IJP did more or less the same with his marker incident I'd think these guys were whiter than white. And for the record I've not seen, heard or experienced Ian doing anything like that. Ever.

George1507 wrote:Since there could be a court case about this, I would have thought it would be best if this post was removed.

It's also pretty pathetic reading the way that some people who don't know the rules themselves have pilloried Elliot Saltman.

No need to remove. The accusations being made are correct at the time of writing. If you saw the Sky news report where people like Lee Westwood were saying similar things, then there is no cause to delete just because of upcoming court cases. Of course, when it DOES come to court then we'll need to think again, but as of today, Saltman has been officially judged as a cheat.

We can review again when necessary

The headline of this post is not an accusation.

It's an open invitation for a lawsuit.

Saltman is currently banned for cheating. That makes the headline pretty factual

Should the charge and sentence be appealed then it would be fair to review it. At the moment it is still a statement of fact

If someone is facing trial for murder then it would be wrong to call them a murderer. If they are convicted of murder then it's a fair epithet.

Saltman has been banned for cheating

McLaren wrote:LJ

the more you post on here the more I wish for the days of bbc 606 moderation. Please stay on topic and quit with the unnecessary remarks. Davie, do your job.


Given the reception waiting for saltman from his fellow pro's and a three month absence can we really see him keeping his card? It is hard enough for q school graduates without playing in constant discomfort in your surroundings. You would hope the pros have the balls to tell him what they think of his actions.

Oh, Mac. Get a life...or sense of humour. Preferably both. You might be able to have a sense of humour surgically implanted these days; some of the cosmetic surgery is getting quite good I hear .

Veritas, of course, is a defence to any court action by the aforementioned Mr Saltman !!

On a more serious note, would not like to be drawn to play with him on his first couple of tournaments back after the ban, especially the one's televised, would put a lot of pressure on who was marking his card.

The game is hard enough for some of the tour players without the added pressure of having to watch your playing partner closely, for any indiscretion from the rules

For me, it's a difficult one. I don't like judging people based on other people's opinions, I'm not calling his playing partners into question, more that I would just play my own game if I was drawn with him. I wouldn't watch him like a hawk or anything. If I saw something then fair enough but I wouldn't go out of my way to try and 'get him' so to speak.

I wouldn't call anyone a cheat unless I've seen them with my own eyes, thankfully there have only been two instances in my golfing life.