Scarlets 2016/17 Season Thread

[ScarletSpiderman]

First topic message reminder :

Scarlets pre-season friendlies 2016/17    
Sat 13th Aug 15:00 Exeter vs Scarlets Sandy Park, Exeter  
Sat 20th Aug TBC Scarlets vs Bath Parc Eirias, Colwyn Bay  
     
Fixture List      
Sat 3rd Sep 15:00 Scarlets vs Munster Parc-y-Scarlets, Llanelli Sky
Fri 9th Sep 19:35 Edinburgh vs Scarlets Murrayfield, Edinburgh BBC Alba
Fri 16th Sep 19:05 Ulster vs Scarlets Kingspan Stadium, Belfast BBC2W
Sat 24th Sep 19:35 Scarlets vs ConnachtParc-y-Scarlets, Llanelli S4C
Sat 1st Oct 19:05 Treviso vs Scarlets Stadio Comunale di Monigo, Treviso  
Sat 8th Oct 19:35 Scarlets vs Dragons Parc-y-Scarlets, Llanelli S4C
Oct 14th - 16th  Europe 1    
Oct 21st - 23th  Europe 2    
Fri 28th Oct 19:35 Cardiff vs Scarlets BT Sport Cardiff Arms Park, Cardiff BBC2W
Sat 5th Nov 19:35 Scarlets vs Glasgow Parc-y-Scarlets, Llanelli S4C
Nov 5th  TBC Anglo-Welsh 1    
Nov 12th  Anglo-Welsh 2    
Fri 25th Nov 19:35 Scarlets vs Leinster Parc-y-Scarlets, Llanelli BBC2W
Sat 3rd Dec 14:05 Zebre vs Scarlets Stadio XXV Aprile, Parma  
Dec 9th - 11th  Europe 3    
Dec 16th - 18th  Europe 4    
Tue 27th Dec 15:00 Ospreys vs Scarlets Liberty Stadium, Swansea Sky/S4C
Sun 1st Jan 15:00 Scarlets vs Cardiff Parc-y-Scarlets, Llanelli Sky/S4C
Fri 6th Jan 19:35 Scarlets vs Ulster Parc-y-Scarlets, Llanelli BBC2W
Jan 13th - 15th  Europe 5    
Jan 20th - 22nd  Europe 6    
Jan 27th - 29th  Anglo-Welsh 3    
Feb 3rd - 5th  Anglo-Welsh 4    
Feb 10th - 11th   Glasgow vs Scarlets Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow  
Feb 17th - 18th  Scarlets vs Zebre Parc-y-Scarlets, Llanelli  
Feb 24th - 25th  Munster vs Scarlets TBC  
Mar 3rd - 4th  Leinster vs Scarlets RDS Arena, Dublin  
Mar 24th - 25th  Scarlets vs Edinburgh Parc-y-Scarlets, Llanelli  
Apr 7th - 8th  Scarlets vs Treviso Parc-y-Scarlets, Llanelli  
Sat 15th Apr 17:15 Dragons vs Scarlets Principality Stadium, Cardiff Sky/S4C
Apr 28th - 29th  Connacht vs Scarlets Sportsground, Galway  
Sat 6th May 17:15 Scarlets vs Ospreys Parc-y-Scarlets, Llanelli  


Squad

Rob Evans Prop
Werner Kruger Prop
Samson Lee Prop Dual Contract
Peter Edwards  Prop
Will Taylor Prop
Dylan Evans Prop  
Taylor Davies Prop    
Wyn Jones Prop

Ken Owens Hooker
Emyr Phillips Hooker
Ryan Elias Hooker    
Dafydd Hughes Hooker
 
Jake Ball Lock Dual Contract  
David Bulbring Lock
Rynier Bernardo Lock
Tom Price Lock
Josh Helps Lock    
Tadhg Beirne Lock/Flanker
Lewis Rawlins Lock/Flanker  
 
John Barclay Flanker
Aaron Shingler Flanker
James Davies Flanker    
Will Boyde Flanker    
Josh MacLeod Flanker    
Tom Phillips Flanker    
Shaun Evans Flanker  
Morgan Allen Number 8  
Jack Condy Number 8  

Aled Davies Scrum-half  
Gareth Davies Scrum-half
Jonathan Evans Scrum-half    

Rhys Patchell Fly-half    
Aled Thomas Fly-half
Dan Jones Fly-half    

Scott Williams Centre  
Jonathan Davies Centre Dual Contract
Hadleigh Parkes Centre
Gareth Owen Centre
Steffan Hughes Centre    
Matthew Owen Centre  
 
DTH Van Der Merwe Wing
Tom Williams Wing  
Richard Smith Wing  
Johnny McNicholl Wing/ Fullback
Steffan Evans Wing / Fullback    
Liam Williams Fullback  
       
Coaches      
Wayne Pivac Head Coach  
Stephen Jones  Attack Coach    
Byron Hayward Defence Coach    
Garan Evans Team Manager    
Ioan Cunningham Set Piece Coach

[international198]

More bad news for the Scarlets. Samson Lee is out against Connacht because he has a virus. Hope it isn't too serious and he makes a full recovery.

[international198]

It wouldn't be a disaster if we lost against Connacht. It's the taking part that counts. It's all just a bit of fun. There's no need to take rugby too seriously. But I sincerely believe that the Scarlets are good enough to beat the champions on Saturday.

[mikey_dragon]

Dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear! Get this guy outta here.

[ScarletSpiderman]

Mikey, your Yang and he is Ying (or the other way around).

[ScarletSpiderman]

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/scarlets-hold-talks-liam-williams-11911366

The Scarlets are now in talks with the WRU and Liam Williams about a NDC. I have heard mutterings that the whole Ospreys move may have been mentioned in an attempt to speed the WRU into negotiations.

[LordDowlais]

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/scarlets-hold-talks-liam-williams-11911366

The Scarlets are now in talks with the WRU and Liam Williams about a NDC.  I have heard mutterings that the whole Ospreys move may have been mentioned in an attempt to speed the WRU into negotiations.

That sounds about right to me. Be careful using WOL though, I get tarred and feathered for it.

[mikey_dragon]

That sounds about right to me. Be careful using WOL though, I get tarred and feathered for it.

Here's this saddo, victim mentality again. If you're going to cry at least get the reasoning behind it right. It's taking you longer than usual to fawn over and then copy and paste it here because you want everybody to read it - so I'm wondering if you're having difficulty? Here's a tip: Ctrl C followed by Ctrl V.

[international198]

I think re-signing Liam Williams would be foolish. We have a debt to pay back. How do we save money in order to pay back the debt? By not re-signing Liam Williams.

http://www.carmarthenshireherald.com/5491/scarlets-in-debt-crisis/

[ScarletSpiderman]

I think re-signing Liam Williams would be foolish. We have a debt to pay back. How do we save money in order to pay back the debt? By not re-signing Liam Williams.

http://www.carmarthenshireherald.com/5491/scarlets-in-debt-crisis/

Wow, from June 2015. That's current news.

Sanj on an NDC will cost 60% less than he would at the moment, so we could give him a huge pay rise and still save.

[RiscaGame]

Cracking deal for you guys for the Sarries away game.

[ScarletSpiderman]

Cracking deal for you guys for the Sarries away game.

Unless I have misread something somewhere, the hotel room alone would normally cost more that the Scarlets trip in full.

[RiscaGame]

Exactly. Great deal.

[ScarletSpiderman]

I tend not to do away games, or to organise my travel/stay myself, but I am very tempted by this.  Although, I have heard muttering that the club don't have any ticket allocation, so I assume there will be an extra few quid on top to get tickets, if that is true.

[RiscaGame]

Ah right, I did look to see if they mentioned it on the poster, but didn't see it. I did kind of assume they were in. I wonder if people might get caught out.

[RiscaGame]

But it's still a great deal and I would happily buy a ticket on top btw

[LordDowlais]

Some disturbing news in the media regarding Liam Williams. Firstky it looks as though the WRU will not pay what the English and French clubs will offer:-

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/wru-refuse-match-bumper-salary-11948407

Secondly, it looks as though some of the big hitters from England and France are sniffing around, Saracens are rumoured to be circling:-

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/englands-top-clubs-eye-liam-11946382


He is a man in demand:-

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/liam-williams-options-explained-what-11949048

[munkian]

300, 000 grand. I'd rather he go to Wasps to be honest - playing some lovely rugby.

[ScarletSpiderman]

Time will tell what actual offers are on the table, and if/where he goes. At the moment, it is pretty much just people saying, "yeah a player of his talent would fit in here" and the fail running with it.

[PhilBB]

It's good to see the Western Mail are back on their 'attack PRW' line.

[RiscaGame]

Three links mind. That's a new record.

[RiscaGame]

Time will tell what actual offers are on the table, and if/where he goes. At the moment, it is pretty much just people saying, "yeah a player of his talent would fit in here" and the fail running with it.

Supposition and baseless rumours? I won't have it.

[RiscaGame]

May have been more appropriate on the rumours thread?

[maestegmafia]

He has a lot of good reasons to stay put too

[LordDowlais]

Three links mind. That's a new record.

Other people are posting links from WOL so why don't you just go an feck off and bother them. Stop your obsession with me, it is unhealthy.

[munkian]

He has a lot of good reasons to stay put too

Such as ?

[RiscaGame]

Three links mind. That's a new record.

Other people are posting links from WOL so why don't you just go an feck off and bother them. Stop your obsession with me, it is unhealthy.

Haha. Very angry man. It's unhealthy to be that angry.

Obsessed with you Dowellais? How very arrogant of you. Think you need to relax a bit and stop considering yourself that important that somebody would be obsessed by you.

[LordDowlais]

Obsessed with you Dowellais? How very arrogant of you. Think you need to relax a bit and stop considering yourself that important that somebody would be obsessed by you.

My patience has run out with you now Risca. The name calling, the snide comments, it's all getting boring. jest get lost.

[RiscaGame]

You've threatened me with your foe list before and been told to do so by mods. You are awfully sensitive, old chap.

[RiscaGame]

He has a lot of good reasons to stay put too

Such as ?

The Barn is very good

[ScarletSpiderman]

He has a lot of good reasons to stay put too

Such as ?

The Barn is very good

We have the high-altitude training facilities.
We have the best mascot.

[ScarletSpiderman]

Oh and our kits tend to be prettier than others. Sanj looks better in Red than he does in Black (he got in trouble for being in black before )

[ScarletSpiderman]

Someone at fail needs maths lessons. WRU are looking at a £250k plus deal for Liam. The fail said the union of 3.3M to play NDCs a year, and if everyone were on a 300k contract that means they can only have 8 on NDCs. I worked it out, a 300k contract cost the WRU 180k, so that's 18 players. Pretty poor journo work there.

[maestegmafia]

What do you expect spider?

Good news that the WRU and Scarlets are throwing a reasonable offer to keep him.

I hope he takes it.

[munkian]

They need to not re-new several NDCs

King and Baker for example.

[ScarletSpiderman]

What do you expect spider?

Good news that the WRU and Scarlets are throwing a reasonable offer to keep him.

I hope he takes it.

I know hoping for facts was a push too far.

[ScarletSpiderman]

They need to not re-new several NDCs

King and Baker for example.

The fail have their definitive guide to who is out of contract this season (which has a fair few players missing off it, but hey they said definitive so I must be wrong)

NDCs coming up include:
Sam Warburton
Samson Lee
Gareth Anscombe
Hallam Amos

NDCs possibly going to be offered:
Leigh Halfpenny
Liam Williams
Rob Evans
Ken Owens
Ross Moriarty
Gethin Jenkins

[Luckless Pedestrian]

They need to not re-new several NDCs

King and Baker for example.

Tyler Morgan's is questionable, too.

[PhilBB]

Gethin has just signed a new Cardiff contract. He's not getting a NDC.

[ScarletSpiderman]

Gethin has just signed a new Cardiff contract. He's not getting a NDC.

Duly updated

[chris_501]

They need to not re-new several NDCs

King and Baker for example.

The fail have their definitive guide to who is out of contract this season (which has a fair few players missing off it, but hey they said definitive so I must be wrong)

NDCs coming up include:
Sam Warburton
Samson Lee
Gareth Anscombe
Hallam Amos

NDCs possibly going to be offered:
Leigh Halfpenny
Liam Williams
Rob Evans
Ken Owens
Ross Moriarty
Gethin Jenkins

It will be interesting to see how many players in certain positions that they would like on NDC's. With Gethin not having an NDC, that would make sense for Rob Evans to be offered one. But would Moriarty get one with Lydiate and King already on one? Likewise the two fullbacks (although one is likely to be on the wing a lot)

[ScarletSpiderman]

Scarlets team to take on Benetton Treviso at Stadio Comunale di Mongo on Saturday 1st October, kick-off 8.05pm local time;

15 Liam Williams, 14 DTH van der Merwe, 13 Hadleigh Parkes, 12 Scott Williams, 11 Steff Evans, 10 Rhys Patchell, 9 Gareth Davies, 1 Wyn Jones, 2 Ken Owens [c], 3 Samson Lee, 4 Lewis Rawlins, 5 David Bulbring, 6 Aaron Shingler, 7 James Davies, 8 John Barclay

Replacements; Ryan Elias, Luke Garrett, Werner Kruger, Rynier Bernardo, Morgan Allen, Aled Davies, Aled Thomas, Steff Hughes

Unavailable for selection: Rob Evans, Dylan Evans, Jake Ball, Gareth Owen, Tom Price, Jonathan Davies, Emyr Phillips, Tadhg Beirne, Will Taylor

[True Raven]

Someone at fail needs maths lessons.  WRU are looking at a £250k plus deal for Liam.  The fail said the union of 3.3M to play NDCs a year, and if everyone were on a 300k contract that means they can only have 8 on NDCs.  I worked it out, a 300k contract cost the WRU 180k, so that's 18 players.  Pretty poor journo work there.

I though that and then wondered if £300k was just the WRU share?!? Probably not as that would make him on a £500k contract.

If sanjay is going to be on £300k then Webb, Biggar, AWJ, Warburton must be close to that or even eclipse it

[True Raven]

They need to not re-new several NDCs

King and Baker for example.

The fail have their definitive guide to who is out of contract this season (which has a fair few players missing off it, but hey they said definitive so I must be wrong)

NDCs coming up include:
Sam Warburton
Samson Lee
Gareth Anscombe
Hallam Amos

NDCs possibly going to be offered:
Leigh Halfpenny
Liam Williams
Rob Evans
Ken Owens
Ross Moriarty
Gethin Jenkins

It will be interesting to see how many players in certain positions that they would like on NDC's. With Gethin not having an NDC, that would make sense for Rob Evans to be offered one. But would Moriarty get one with Lydiate and King already on one? Likewise the two fullbacks (although one is likely to be on the wing a lot)

Realistically, in an ideal world I would just have the elite players on it so Webb, AWJ, Biggar, North, Halfpenn, L Williams etc

No need for Ken Owen or Eob Evans to be given one as the regions can easily afford their salaries.  Same with Amos, Morgan, Anscombe, Baker, Ball, King, Thornton, Baldwin etc Its just a waste of money being given to those

[ScarletSpiderman]

Raven, it should be the players that are in the 'when fit' strongest XV, and then if there is cash the players that are in the 'when fit' strongest 23, and then finally on squad filler.

[mikey_dragon]

"In the end we were probably lucky to get away with a win."

Pivac says his side must learn "not to get ahead of ourselves".

He added: "We've had three wins in a row, but against sides that haven't been performing that well so we've just got to be realistic as to where we're at at this stage of the season and keep building."

So is Pivac a WUM now as well?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/37598074

[ScarletSpiderman]

Where have similar things been posted on here and met with complaints about wind up merchants? And did Pivac drop those comments into a dead chat just to see the reaction, or was it during an interview when people actually wanted to hear what he thought?

[mikey_dragon]

I've said the Scarlets are underperforming and said recent opposition wasn't great hence not a good indicator of form, and I got called a WUM. Pivac is suggesting what I've already said and Martyn Williams insinuated it not so long ago on scrum V. These guys must be WUMs.

[ScarletSpiderman]

Ah must've missed the point where you got called a wum.

[maestegmafia]

Signing Moriarty I hear..?

[munkian]

Signing Moriarty I hear..?

I don't think anything has been signed. Would have loved to see him at the Dragons.

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