6CW Chat v14

First topic message reminder :

And it's over to you.......

Im ok thanks,

I know Olly, i know

however based on my segments for this show i am really not surprised lol.

Whats everyone having for dinner. Also is it acceptable to knock f*** out ateenager for swraring in bus stop while my 4 year old is here

Come on JJ - pull your finger out and give us a card

Oi, hes part of the team not superseded me ya nonce!

I've got it, but just want to make sure theres nothing to be added/changed before posting

I probably cant go around calling people a nonce as a teacher, its a habit I don't want to get into in time for parents' evening

As some 360 feedback, i think you should call more people a nonce. Especially at parents even8ing

100% advocate you calling kids nonces

And with that I have posted the card, the promo thread, the two posters and the theme

Prediction league round 5 up now:
https://www.606v2.com/t64129-6cw-prediction-league-round-5-beachfront-brawl

QOTD: As the prediction league is up I have two questions for the two main events

1. If you were booking the Double world title match between Thunder, Robin Reborn, Liam Wood and Vincent Costello who would you book to win which title...would you unify them?

2. If your character was to join either Team 6CW or Team 6WF which would they pick and why? and if they wouldn't pick either, why not?

and for those in that match

2.5 If you could pick one of the guys on the opposite team to jump sides and join you, who would you pick and why?

Morning all

QotD answers

1. This match hasn't got the hype it should have and I think that's due to 90% of the people not promoting, its a shame but on going forward I would have Wood win his EWF belt back and Thunder to win the 6CW as what should have happened at NoG

2. Im in Team 6CW

2.5 I think JJ will jump ship to Team 6WF but if it was someone to betray Team 6WF I would want Faith, it would give him a good platform to work on as a face and just like you feel with Max, you wouldn't know if he was gonna double cross you or not

I would unify the World Titles under Liam Wood, make it feel like EWF is now completely done and Wood is fully assimilated, then in the main event have Liam Wood join Team 6WF and fight to keep EWF's name alive within that (kind of like WCW and ECW joining forces)

If I could pick someone from Team 6CW to switch sides, it would be Geoff Steel. It would be the most unexpected for me (Dicey being a moot point - the only definite no chance of turning) and would be a big angle for him which I think he deserves post Standard Steel. Either that or I would have Mike Hill switching back - then embark upon an angle that blurs the lines of reality of Mike Hill/Mat as the ultimate 6WF company guy - taking out 6WFers and punishing them for abandoning the company and not putting the effort in to save it in its dying days.

Faith would be a brilliant turn.

(Dicey being a moot point - the only definite no chance of turning)

What if it happened though

Dicey Reilly wrote:

(Dicey being a moot point - the only definite no chance of turning)

What if it happened though

I thought that as I typed it... I'm going to look an utter mung bean

Cassius Zhi wrote:

Dicey Reilly wrote:

(Dicey being a moot point - the only definite no chance of turning)

What if it happened though

I thought that as I typed it... I'm going to look an utter mung bean

To my knowledge it's not, as in I haven't been asked if its ok to happen but you never know in this business

Do all of you guys have a preference as to if you prefer to be faces or heels and do you struggle when playing the other role?

I have been both with both of my characters, in 6WF I had Chris Patricks and preferred him as a Face and here I have Dicey and I prefer his as a sort of Face/Tweener but he has been heel on numerous occassions

I think for myself as I start then a face is a better role but as I get to know each of you and understand your characters more then I'd like to turn heel and really try and duke it out with you in a promo.

Trying to split us up before we start?

I've done a promo by the way.

Think that's your best promo yet! Any reason though why Godwin is unable to start sentences with a capital letter?

It must be a German thing (or my phone playing up).

And thanks! Wasn't sure what to do as we didn't have a match. Can you work with that?

I prefer being heel. But not with any cool characteristics, just pure evil, antagonistic heel. Although Cassius as a face did actually work for a while (even the old joke - I didn't even change anything just the "BOOOOOOOOOOS" to "YEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHS!" not sure who pointed that out but it was so true )

Its all about fan perception

So is Cassius sort of a Stone Cold type character?

Nah. I'm trying to think of a real wrestling world equivalent

It's probably Brock Lesnar in terms of character. Just relentlessly horrible and nasty, with a superiority complex. Cassius is more beatable than Lesnar though. Part of the fun is winding someone up so much they lose their cool and gives him a beating - he sees that as something of a victory in itself. I can't think of a true like for like equivalent. Maybe Bray Wyatt - with the god complex turned down? I don't know

Everytime I Brock promos now all I will hear is a Chinese ascent hahaha BWOCK LESNEWWWWW

every time he promos all I think about is that one against John Cena when he said he was an "ass kicker" and he was going to have pi55 running down his leg

Mr Tom wrote:And thanks! Wasn't sure what to do as we didn't have a match. Can you work with that?

Best thing to do. If you're not in a match you start positioning yourself for the match you want in the future.

Cassius Zhi wrote:

Mr Tom wrote:And thanks! Wasn't sure what to do as we didn't have a match. Can you work with that?

Best thing to do. If you're not in a match you start positioning yourself for the match you want in the future.

Sorry but I reported your post by accident when I thought I was quoting it. Hope it doesn't cause a problem (damn fiddly phone and small icons to blame!).

Thanks for the feedback and if you have any hints or tips, please let me know as I want to get better at this.

Who's causing trouble in here you rowdy bunch?

Me - I was giving sound advice to a rookie
I think Marky reported it because it might be used to steal his spot

How do Macc?
Fancy promoing again yet?

My advice is simply : back and fores. Do as many back and fores as you can.

Hiya Paul you Facebook message ignorer!

All good here cheers, kids growing up quick, nearly in secondary school now which is scary.
Think that bridge is burnt now after my last pathetic attempt at a return, ever decreasing circles etc, I became the efed equivalent of Jericho and there's guys about now whose promos blow away anything I ever did, mine were just quick banter filled back and forths, you lot now write War & Peace!

xviperx wrote:QOTD: As the prediction league is up I have two questions for the two main events

1. If you were booking the Double world title match between Thunder, Robin Reborn, Liam Wood and Vincent Costello who would you book to win which title...would you unify them?

2. If your character was to join either Team 6CW or Team 6WF which would they pick and why? and if they wouldn't pick either, why not?

and for those in that match

2.5 If you could pick one of the guys on the opposite team to jump sides and join you, who would you pick and why?

#1 - If MTTC gets his promo'ing boots on then id give him the EWF Title think it makes sense with Wood/Thunder chasing him for different reasons. Id leave the other on Reborn tbh.

#2 - Team 6CW if was going to pick one since been about 4/5 years tbh.

#2.5 - If anyone team 6WF id expect Mat or Nay for the reasons expressed already, Marsh could be an outside shot since effectively been Cassius' bag carrier so far.

Alt QotD: Do promos even matter anymore? As we have seen over the last month or so the number of active promoers has dropped and promos for shows are way down on what they were but story-wise this doesn't really change anything for anyone, as we see from the BfB card each match has at least one regular promoter (multi man match having more) this make at least most of the matches have some kind of promo for them but no b&f which in my eyes are the most important kind of promos to get people invested in the feud or even the one off match, title on the line or not, there are some BIG matches on the card but I find myself only caring about one or two, so if people promo or not will that change the minds of the 4 Horsemen of Creative to change their plans, maybe streamline the fed and get rid of the dead wood and make it more manageable and get people invested again? This is not a dig or rant its a bonifide question that I'd like to hear peoples thoughts on

Morning

'Iya!

Hero wrote:Hiya Paul you Facebook message ignorer!

All good here cheers, kids growing up quick, nearly in secondary school now which is scary.
Think that bridge is burnt now after my last pathetic attempt at a return, ever decreasing circles etc, I became the efed equivalent of Jericho and there's guys about now whose promos blow away anything I ever did, mine were just quick banter filled back and forths, you lot now write War & Peace!

Great to hear! Where does the time go?

My excuse for that was genuine - they really did go to a folder I never knew existed. I had loads In there

Afternoon All

I found a shed load in mine as well in fairness!

How's things for yourself?

ALT QOTD: I think promos will always matter but there will be times when the storyline needs to take control a little...for example, at Beachfront Brawl we have Costello coming back to a world title shot which promo wise shouldn't happen (as M has been away) BUT storyline wise makes a lot of sense with him having issues with both Wood and Thunder as well as being a former world champion...now should he win it? The lack of promos since his recent return to me says no, he shouldn't BUT is having Costello back in the main event awesome? Of course, it's just a shame that real life gets in the way.

The way I look at promos is that they are my foot in the door for storylines, if I promo well then I should be rewarded with a bigger and better storyline and it should have an effect on how my character comes out of it all, obviously no matter how good my promos I can't have my guy Goldberg every match and win so sometimes Wood will lose and it might be to a guy who isn't about or who I feel hasn't really been promoing as well as me but the important thing is how the character ends a feud win or loss...sometimes the loss can be a bigger reward if it helps build the character up. For example Wood had a huge run of losses which at times made me doubt my skill BUT without those losses he wouldn't be the same character that he is now and he is better because of it...for me the reward wasn't winning PPV matches it was getting to work against great promoers.

I would say this though, the last show had over 20 promos, I wouldn't call that bad considering that at the moment some of our core, most active members may not be as active as they once were...off the top of my head I can think of 4/5 people who would normally promo but real life is getting in the way for them...the good thing is though that they've promoed well and consistently on recent cards which is justifying them still being on the shows and still being shown as strong and able to win matches...I think THIS is the reason why promos are still really important and that overall, despite maybe 1 or 2 exceptions most of the wrestlers are where they are due to previous hard work...would it be great if everyone promos each week? Of course...should they be punished if they miss a few shows when life gets busy? Of course not, it's life and it happens.

My last bit of this ramble is that I would however say that the balance between promo and storyline needs to be quite equal and those of us who promo each week and keep them to a good standard should be the ones getting the bigger rewards...of course certain things have to happen to that a storyline can carry on but if storyline takes over too much then it could demotivate people when it comes to promoing because they'll feel whatever is going to happen will happen anyway.

I would say that sometimes the promo thing takes time to take effect; you don't wanna just throw away something cos someone goes quiet, both because it might change the way a story is working for someone else or because circumstance might dictate that they need a quiet spell.

I suppose it also depends on what you feel a promo reward is. Those also come slowly.

There's also been quite a seismic shift since NOG and a few people have had to change their bank to promo on. Especially as people don't wanna go off too much on a limb and then blow it all away. Liam and Thunder had huge plans for their coming one on one feud - a feud I knew wasn't coming! It's easier for me to promo when the story is clear as I don't wanna steer or spoiler.

Id also hate to throw away a really good story for someone and propel them ahead of something just cos there'd been a quiet spell from someone else. All about steps and stuff

Dicey Reilly wrote:Alt QotD: Do promos even matter anymore? As we have seen over the last month or so the number of active promoers has dropped and promos for shows are way down on what they were but story-wise this doesn't really change anything for anyone, as we see from the BfB card each match has at least one regular promoter (multi man match having more) this make at least most of the matches have some kind of promo for them but no b&f which in my eyes are the most important kind of promos to get people invested in the feud or even the one off match, title on the line or not, there are some BIG matches on the card but I find myself only caring about one or two, so if people promo or not will that change the minds of the 4 Horsemen of Creative to change their plans, maybe streamline the fed and get rid of the dead wood and make it more manageable and get people invested again? This is not a dig or rant its a bonifide question that I'd like to hear peoples thoughts on

I completely agree

I have no interest in feuds that are not hotly contested through promo. I'm not invested in them at all. The matches and shows themselves are not enough to carry a feud. It's not the name of the game.

That's why my advice is always back and fores. All my favourite promoers are the ones who engage in them.

If people don't know how to promo then should creative not give them a little direction on what direction they should be going without spoilers rather than the two guys building this plan up with each other and in their promos only for it all to be wasted and them to be in a totally different storyline? I'm not saying spoil it for them but a gentle nudge goes along way, its all about communication

How much time is too much time to wait for someone to promo before you pull the trigger and change their storyline or let their character fade (example Masters)

Liam just because Costello is a "name" and has history with Main Eventers doesn't mean he should be there, this was a major problem in 6WF with returnees getting a huge push when they came back only for them to disappear or people getting annoyed that it happened

There have already been several times where you have given me just one word to promo off, Dolph, that didn't spoil anything but made sure I was not on a contradictory path. Dicey's right, people should just ask for this it they are not sure.

Hero wrote:I found a shed load in mine as well in fairness!

How's things for yourself?

Pretty good thanks. All aspects of life have settled down into some kind of consistent normality. Everyone happy and health and enjoying life. And it's great to be able to have the time to be part of this again. I missed it for a long time

I back Costello being in the main event as it works storyline wise with Wood and him being enemies since day one and the way he attempted to end Thunder's career...if he was to win, I'd hold my hands up and say I wouldn't agree with that booking personally.
I think that sometimes big name comebacks should be higher up the card than others...for instance Gazzy D and JJ Johnson coming back for the BFB main event...it works because of the storyline.

I do think it's a thin line that can be crossed too far though, there have been times that I would have booked certain things differently and rewarded certain people but that's not my choice at this point in time and might never be.

Talking of promos, Liam Wood promo up!

I need to get ready and go off to see a gig in Birmingham now but Fifa is on it's way and I kind of can't be bothered

oh and to add to the Costello thing, we don't know the plans...with no disrespect to M but right now he could just be making up numbers so that the stipulation works, we don't know if he's getting a push and I'd agree that people not promoing shouldn't get pushes over the more consistent people but as you said about cut off points we do need to be a little lenient with guys who might be going through real life stuff.

I don't mind people coming back but sometimes there has to be caution story wise too, wait and see if they stick around for more than a month and see if they promo, if they do then move them up to a higher position, look at Costello for example, the last time we saw him was when he was added into Xtreme scene as a filler then he disappeared and reappeared when M came back and said hello, now he is in the Main Event fighting for two major titles and has disappeared again, that to me was creative jazzing over the name instead of acting with caution, to use the 6WF as an example look home many times Beer and Mat got burned with "Big" name returnees only for them to disappear, me included

Real life gets in the way and is more important, if this happens then its up to creative to pull the character back and when they return build them up again

Look after your core promoers and the rest will fall into place, look to the past and learn from mistakes made then

Lunch time

While I still feel Costello being in the World Title match but not being around doesn't really hurt it I was going to debate a bit more but I agree pretty much 100% with how you've put this...don't get used to us agreeing too much Dec.

It doesn't feel right