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by kwinigolfer Thu 29 Sep 2016, 1:03 pm

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by kwinigolfer Wed 23 May 2018, 1:27 pm

Strange thing about it is that this tournament doesn't appear in his owgr record:

http://www.owgr.com/en/Ranking/PlayerProfile.aspx?playerID=1547&year=1993

Either:
Because it was somehow "unofficial", or:
Because the Challenge Tour events didn't earn owgr points at that time.

But it's a very "Phil" thing to do, to play in an event like that!

by McLaren Wed 23 May 2018, 1:36 pm

I know it doesn't really reflect exactly what points have been made above but Tiger is third on the all time ET wins table with 40. Obviously this is messed up by his 14 majors and 18 WGC's, leaving only 8 regular ET wins. A few of which are probably the Johnnie Walker or co-sanctioned Aussie wins.

Hadn't realized that DJ also has 17 PGAT wins.

by GPB Wed 23 May 2018, 2:51 pm

Davie wrote:
GPB wrote:
Davie wrote:Westwood probably has more wins in Europe than the rest of the USA team put together - no I can't be arsed to check. Have we just hooked the first troll of the campaign?

More than Tiger? I don't think so.

Is Tiger even qualified for 2018?

The topic starter was about Vice-Captains. And Tiger is a vice Captain for Jim Furyk. And based on Westwood's position in the World Points, Woods is a lot closer to making the US RC team than Westwood is.

by raycastleunited Wed 23 May 2018, 3:36 pm

GPB wrote:Its closer than you think

20 Wins in Europe for Westwood by my count

9: Woods (3 Opens, 3 WGCs in Europe, 3 regular Euro Events)
3: Mickelson (1 Open, 1 Scottish, 1 Challenge)
1: Spieth (1 Open)
1: Fowler (1 Scottish)
5: Koepka (Turkey, 4 Challenge)
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19

Not counting Zach, who has one Open win, who could very well be on the team.

Talk about dodgy counting!

Firstly, Turkey is not in Europe it's in Asia.

Secondly, aren't you scraping the barrel adding Challenge Tour events? Why don't you also include practice days at the Open when some of the Americans probably won a skins game against their buddies, that's a win in Europe right? But then you'd have to include all of Westwood's wins, there's probably a club championship and some Junior Opens to add to the total.

by GPB Wed 23 May 2018, 4:04 pm

In my opinion, it was pretty dodgy to only count events in Europe, and not European Tour Events.

Even if you take out Tiger, the rest of team has more European Tour wins than Westwood. Mickelson has 10, DJ has 6, Spieth has 3, Fowler has 2, Koepka has two.

and FYI, Part of Turkey is in Europe. There was talk of the 2022 Ryder Cup being held in Turkey for crying out loud. So Fricking what Koepka''s win is a few hundred miles from Euroep

http://www.rydercup.com/usa/news/turkey-withdraws-bid-host-2022-ryder-cup

BTW, on another board, a Brit claims that North and South America is one continent because there is no natural waterway that separates North and South America.

But he refuses to acknowledge that by that definition that Europe, Asia and Africa are just one continent. Because there is no natural waterway that completely separates these land masses. Is this what you are taught in Britain?

by Davie Wed 23 May 2018, 4:22 pm

I still fail to see the point you were trying to make about Furyk and his PGAT wins .. just seemed like a low-grade trolling attempt to me

by GPB Wed 23 May 2018, 4:37 pm

It was just a commentary of the claim that three of the Vice Captains had "decent" PGATour Careers. If 6 wins, 5 wins and 3 wins are "decent" PGAT careers, then I think the bar has been lowered.

IMO, decent = at least 10 wins.

by raycastleunited Wed 23 May 2018, 5:19 pm

GPB wrote:
BTW, on another board, a Brit claims that North and South America is one continent because there is no natural waterway that separates North and South America.

But he refuses to acknowledge that by that definition that Europe, Asia and Africa are just one continent. Because there is no natural waterway that completely separates these land masses. Is this what you are taught in Britain?

Haha. Every country, and every continent as well, has its fair share of clowns. Britain too. Similarly, we don't think all Americans like going on shooting sprees in schools.

by raycastleunited Wed 23 May 2018, 5:34 pm

GPB wrote:In my opinion, it was pretty dodgy to only count events in Europe, and not European Tour Events.

Even if you take out Tiger, the rest of team has more European Tour wins than Westwood. Mickelson has 10, DJ has 6, Spieth has 3, Fowler has 2, Koepka has two.

and FYI, Part of Turkey is in Europe. There was talk of the 2022 Ryder Cup being held in Turkey for crying out loud. So Fricking what Koepka''s win is a few hundred miles from Euroep

The Ryder Cup is going to be in Europe. Davie's point was about winning in Europe. It was a pretty clear point, just because a lot of events in Asia and Africa count as European Tour events, it doesn't mean they are in Europe. The Masters counts as a ET event and that's not in Europe either.

So I'm not sure why you are trying to counter his points with irrelevant facts? Liverpool and Real Madrid are both in Europe and between them they have won more European Cups than Tiger. Even Notts Forest has more European Cups than Tiger!

by GPB Wed 23 May 2018, 5:54 pm

How far do you want to drill it down. Why just Europe? Why not France? How about going to the Paris Metro area? or Le Club National? Only Tommy Fleetwood can claim a win there among potential players.

But I think Bubba is the only potential US Player to play a tournament there. I think I saw that Justin Thomas is playing the French Open in a few weeks.

Again, I was following up on the claim that Paddy, Luke, and GMac have had decent PGAT careers, and if that is true, I think the "hurdle" for decent career is too low. IMO, Decent = 10 wins or more

by GPB Wed 23 May 2018, 6:13 pm

raycastleunited wrote:
GPB wrote:
BTW, on another board, a Brit claims that North and South America is one continent because there is no natural waterway that separates North and South America.

But he refuses to acknowledge that by that definition that Europe, Asia and Africa are just one continent. Because there is no natural waterway that completely separates these land masses. Is this what you are taught in Britain?

Haha. Every country, and every continent as well, has its fair share of clowns. Britain too. Similarly, we don't think all Americans like going on shooting sprees in schools.

He seems very committed to that argument. It might stem from the symbolism of Olympic Five Ring.

by Davie Wed 23 May 2018, 8:45 pm

raycastleunited wrote:
The Ryder Cup is going to be in Europe. Davie's point was about winning in Europe.

Actually to be fair I was talking about the European Tour in total - but not counting the co-sanctioned events. Probably evens out though

by pedro Wed 23 May 2018, 9:05 pm

Davie wrote:
raycastleunited wrote:
The Ryder Cup is going to be in Europe. Davie's point was about winning in Europe.

Actually to be fair I was talking about the European Tour in total - but not counting the co-sanctioned events. Probably evens out though

GPB right now..
https://media.giphy.com/media/11M1k4fIwVqPF6/giphy

by NedB-H Wed 23 May 2018, 9:47 pm

“The symbolism of the Olympic five ring” sounds like some kind of new age porno.

by GPB Wed 23 May 2018, 11:31 pm

Davie wrote:
raycastleunited wrote:
The Ryder Cup is going to be in Europe. Davie's point was about winning in Europe.

Actually to be fair I was talking about the European Tour in total - but not counting the co-sanctioned events. Probably evens out though

not counting co-sanctioned events would take away two of Westwood's wins but none of those would be Majors or WGCs. (obviously). Two minor co-sanctioned events with the Asian Tour, in Korea and Malaysia.

by Roller_Coaster Thu 24 May 2018, 9:10 am

Sod all that. Much more important will be the European team flag/logo after Brexit. What's it going to be? One of the yellow stars in-filled with a mini union jack? A US style blue and yellow stripe affair with small union jack in a corner? A patchwork quilt of all the individual countries' flags?

Let's get this year's sideshow out of the way and get on to the burning logo design question.

by wiretapper Thu 24 May 2018, 10:43 am

GPB wrote:It was just a commentary of the claim that three of the Vice Captains had "decent" PGATour Careers. If 6 wins, 5 wins and 3 wins are "decent" PGAT careers, then I think the bar has been lowered.

IMO, decent = at least 10 wins.

I was referring to the fact that in most cases the RC captain was one of the previous vice-captains and since the following Ryder Cup will be in America it may to some make sense to choose a captain that has had a decent PGA tour career and that three of the vice-captains have had - relatively speaking, since you insist - a decent PGA tour career. I wasn't making reference to the current US Ryder Cup captain, vice-captains, previous captains etc. and to be honest not sure why you have brought it up.

For the record I think Jim Furyk has had an "excellent" career and I have the utmost respect for what he has achieved.

PS 10 PGA tour victories = a good career (at the very least)

by super_realist Thu 24 May 2018, 11:32 am

Roller_Coaster wrote:Sod all that. Much more important will be the European team flag/logo after Brexit. What's it going to be? One of the yellow stars in-filled with a mini union jack? A US style blue and yellow stripe affair with small union jack in a corner? A patchwork quilt of all the individual countries' flags?

Let's get this year's sideshow out of the way and get on to the burning logo design question.

Why would they have to change a flag?

Although it's an EU flag, it's not USA v the European Union, it's USA v Continental Europe.

If there were any golfers from Norway or Switzerland who were in qualifying positions, they'd be eligible. Nothing will change post Brexit.

by raycastleunited Thu 24 May 2018, 2:03 pm

Roller_Coaster wrote:Sod all that. Much more important will be the European team flag/logo after Brexit. What's it going to be? One of the yellow stars in-filled with a mini union jack? A US style blue and yellow stripe affair with small union jack in a corner? A patchwork quilt of all the individual countries' flags?

Let's get this year's sideshow out of the way and get on to the burning logo design question.

Good point Roller.

Maybe a circle of harmonious European stars with a lonely union jack sad face emoji isolated in the corner?

by GPB Thu 24 May 2018, 2:55 pm

Although it's an EU flag, it's not USA v the European Union, it's USA v Continental Europe.

"...it's USA v Continental Europe...."

Huh? My understanding that continental (and Wiki confirms) that Continental Europe does not include GB&I. So no Rory? no Rosey? No Fleetwood?

by super_realist Thu 24 May 2018, 3:50 pm

GPB wrote:
Although it's an EU flag, it's not USA v the European Union, it's USA v Continental Europe.

"...it's USA v Continental Europe...."

Huh? My understanding that continental (and Wiki confirms) that Continental Europe does not include GB&I. So no Rory? no Rosey? No Fleetwood?

The pedantry is strong in this one.

by GPB Thu 24 May 2018, 5:17 pm

A tacit admission of being wrong?

by raycastleunited Thu 24 May 2018, 5:31 pm

Isn't the Ryder Cup just Europe v USA? I'm no expert on this.

Started off as GB, then became GB&I, and then the team selection was extended to include continental European golfers in addition to GB&I... so became team Europe.

Maybe like Eurovision in the future it will keep getting extended to countries outside Europe like Turkey and UAE.

by super_realist Thu 24 May 2018, 5:37 pm

raycastleunited wrote:Isn't the Ryder Cup just Europe v USA? I'm no expert on this.

Started off as GB, then became GB&I, and then the team selection was extended to include continental European golfers in addition to GB&I... so became team Europe.

Maybe like Eurovision in the future it will keep getting extended to countries outside Europe like Turkey and UAE.

Probably more likely it's the Yanks that need additional countries.

by GPB Thu 24 May 2018, 9:00 pm

I think all the US team wants to play 5 matches instead of 4 matches in the first 4 sessions.

Its not a sport where the active participants are limited like soccer and basketball. The golf course can accommodate 5 (or even 6) matches at atime, but a former Euro Captain told (Jacklin) the Euro committee to keep the 4 matches per session.

by kwinigolfer Fri 25 May 2018, 1:14 am

I see the PGA of A has taken preemptive action on their leaderboard and placed American flags by the names of RC'ers Lane, Montgomerie & Broadhurst. Too late.

by pedro Fri 25 May 2018, 10:21 am

The US usually have a deeper team so it’d make sense for them to play 5 matches in stead of 4.

by raycastleunited Tue 29 May 2018, 5:55 pm

I don't really follow the OWGR, and ranking based on a diet of 72 hole stroke play events doesn't necessarily equate to match play success....

BUT, looking at the top 20 today.....
interesting to note that 8 of them are US, and 9 are EU.
and to pick a team of 12 from the rankings you only need to go down to 26 to complete the US team and 27 for EU.

All the indications pointing towards a very high quality event in Paris this year.

by kwinigolfer Tue 29 May 2018, 6:18 pm

"a high quality event in Paris this year" . . . . . and a mis-match in Australia for the 2019 Presidents Cup. Too bad really.

by pedro Tue 29 May 2018, 10:25 pm

raycastleunited wrote:I don't really follow the OWGR, and ranking based on a diet of 72 hole stroke play events doesn't necessarily equate to match play success....

BUT, looking at the top 20 today.....
interesting to note that 8 of them are US, and 9 are EU.
and to pick a team of 12 from the rankings you only need to go down to 26 to complete the US team and 27 for EU.

All the indications pointing towards a very high quality event in Paris this year.

I think the US team may go down to #83 or so... Whistle

by raycastleunited Wed 30 May 2018, 12:36 pm

By September I expect number 83 will either be in the top 30 or injured.

by super_realist Wed 30 May 2018, 5:36 pm

Regardless, you'd have to be a moron to pick someone with his record in the competition and habit of unsettling a team.

by GPB Thu 31 May 2018, 12:21 pm

Not a rosy picture being painted for the 2022 Ryder Cup.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2018/may/30/italy-political-crisis-2022-ryder-cup-host-marco-simone

by GPB Mon 18 Jun 2018, 3:00 pm

Five leading players not qualified for the Ryder Cup as of the US Open are Sergio, Poulter, Stenson, Casey, and Rafa.

Will Casey be the player that is snubbed, once again?

by pedro Fri 27 Jul 2018, 1:59 am

Monty thinks that Europe possibly will have the strongest RC team ever. Surprised to hear that from him as he won’t be in the team himself..

by LadyPutt Sat 25 Aug 2018, 11:16 am

Anyone else got a feeling of dread about this year’s European team? They all seem to have peaked early in the season to get into qualification position and are now in free fall, unlike the Americans Shocked

by GPB Sun 26 Aug 2018, 6:01 pm

Casey, Poulter, RCB and Knox all screwed the pooch this week.

Barring a win from Fitzpatrick or Pepperell next week, Olesen is on the Euro Ryder Cup.

Even if they win, a two way T7th will prevent them from making the team on merit.

by pedro Sun 26 Aug 2018, 11:20 pm

Bryson: check

And if Finau posts a few more good results and Xander wins BMW, would one of Tiger/Phil be left out?

by raycastleunited Tue 28 Aug 2018, 2:58 pm

pedro wrote:And if Finau posts a few more good results and Xander wins BMW, would one of Tiger/Phil be left out?

No

by raycastleunited Tue 28 Aug 2018, 3:18 pm

LadyPutt wrote:Anyone else got a feeling of dread about this year’s European team? They all seem to have peaked early in the season to get into qualification position and are now in free fall, unlike the Americans

Tend to agree. Not quite dread for me, because some players can buck the trend and rise to occasion for match play. But I'm not seeing many Europeans on fire right now, very few will be going to Paris on a high with surging confidence.

by super_realist Wed 29 Aug 2018, 7:06 am

Not like most of the Americans are ripping it up though is it?

Every time the RC comes round the same talk happens. Strokeplay form really is pretty irrelevant once you start playing predominantly a team game in a different format, likewise the number of majors you have or your world ranking count for nothing, same as "how good your team is on paper" as most of the time, the team less well represented in rankings, majors and hype/name comes out on top, even more when America haven't won since before Mac had even heard of Doak.

The only stat which ever seems to be representative and which plays out is the Ryder Cup record of each player, and to a man virtually, Reed apart, American records are pretty dismal.

by Diggers Wed 29 Aug 2018, 12:03 pm

I’m not sure form matters that much. I do think it matters if the players on one team are significantly better than another team, this hasn’t been the case in the past 20 years, the teams have been pretty well matched. I do think this US team looks to be made up of better players, the young Europeans aren’t quite there yet and the older ones like Stenson and Garcia are maybe in decline.
I don’t think this will last long as I’m sure the young Europeans like Rahm and Fitz will kick on , and Europe does have a home advantage to balance things out, which should help massively.
I doubt there will be much in it really, whoever can get off to a good start will be big favourites.

by pedro Wed 29 Aug 2018, 12:37 pm

Harrington is a multiple major winner (his last major win was not distant from Tigers last major win). And he has a recent 2nd place finish (also sounds like Tiger).

So he should be a lock for the RC?

by Diggers Wed 29 Aug 2018, 12:56 pm

Love a bit of Paddy. Why not, could be inspired...

by McLaren Wed 29 Aug 2018, 2:00 pm

pedro wrote:Harrington is a multiple major winner (his last major win was not distant from Tigers last major win). And he has a recent 2nd place finish (also sounds like Tiger).

So he should be a lock for the RC?

At least Tiger still only has one takeaway in his swing. Paddy has "jumped the shark" with his latest concoction.

by beninho Thu 30 Aug 2018, 5:24 pm

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by GPB Sat 01 Sep 2018, 5:16 pm

Hopefully Lee Westwood is getting some Wildcard attention from Bjorn. Smile

by wiretapper Wed 05 Sep 2018, 9:15 am

Word on the street is that Cap'n Tam is going to pick Stenson, Casey, Poulter, and Garcia Shocked

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/sep/04/thomas-bjorn-choose-sergio-garcia-ryder-cup-wild-card

We're doomed....

I did the BBC website pick your four captain picks thing earlier this week and in the comments below someone wrote "If you think Bjorn has the imagination to look beyond Stenson, Casey, Poulter, and Garcia then you are deluding yourself."

Hopefully the Guardian and the mysterious commenter are not as prophetic as they think they are.

by McLaren Wed 05 Sep 2018, 10:59 am

No surprises so far in the US picks, unless you had doubts about Mickelson I guess?

Golf journos seem to be pushing a Tiger/deshampoo pairing narrative, is that a pairing people see happening?

by JAS Wed 05 Sep 2018, 11:48 am

McLaren wrote:No surprises so far in the US picks, unless you had doubts about Mickelson I guess?

Golf journos seem to be pushing a Tiger/deshampoo pairing narrative, is that a pairing people see happening?

I would guess almost certainly Mac.

By the way it must be about time for this threads resident Nutcase to come out of hibernation. I did have a thought though...maybe he’s too busy making America great again.

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