Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[navyblueshorts]

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Actually Davie, they didn't fit yours (apologies; 'idiocy' is a bit strong). Your earlier comments were all about how he'd actually done something terrible/illegal i.e. told them how to get around 3rd party ownership (he didn't) with the possible implication that he'd been knowingly involved in it (no evidence of this), took £400k for dodgy seminars (he didn't and he said he'd have to clear it with the FA) etc. You wanted him to be a crook from the off.
You also claimed Ben and I said he was 'innocent' - we said no such thing.

You never took S_R's approach re. his position being untenable because he was England manager, the one thing he probably falls foul of. His comments re. Hodgson/Nevile were unfortunate, but this was a private conversation and, actually, big deal. Seriously, the next poor schmuck who takes this on should treat the media as they deserve.

There may well be more to this - we'll see. Until then, the only thing he's 'guilty' of is putting himself in a stupid position cf. the FA's comments re. FIFA etc and forcing the FA to ask him to fall on his sword. S_R's right with this; the FA had little choice really.

[kwinigolfer]

Many of those belends must work in the executive offices at Old Trafford.
What exactly have they got to show for the money spent in their LVG and Mourinho years?
What a shambles as the mighty are fallen.

[Roller_Coaster]

An FA Cup and a charity shield.

At a net cost of something like £200m each.

Still, I'd take that as a QPR fan...

[Mad for Chelsea]

Isn't Jesus the Western transcription of his name, which was actually closer to Joshua? In any case you're right that it's a traditional Jewish name - I'm sure I've written on previous threads about how different the actual historical figure Joshua (or Jesus) is to the religious (Christian) version. Of course, Jesus (the western version of the name) has since become a Christian name (i.e. one given to children by Christian parents) particularly in Spain or Latin American countries/cultures.

[McLaren]

Booker winner seems to be a golfer.

[Roller_Coaster]

Or it's an extremely misguided statement of sartorial elegance

[super_realist]

Looks like he's been through the rails in TKMaxx. Ping? Who wears that?

[MontysMerkin]

Lee Westwood?

[super_realist]

Lee Westwood?

He's even worse, I think he wears Dunlop

[beninho]

He wears Dunlop!!! What a saddo.

Really, is it back to school time, where we used to laugh at someone for what they wore?

[westisbest]

It is a typical super realist comment

[super_realist]

If you were a pro, I'm sure neither of you would wear Dunlop

[westisbest]

If I was a pro I would wear what I thought looked nice.
If it happens to be Dunlop, than so be it, no big deal.

[super_realist]

It is a typical super realist comment

and, there is nothing wrong with that statement. Christ, we're all allowed opinions aren't we?

[beninho]

What the flying fack does it matter what someone wears. If I was a pro, i would wear whatever offered me the most money to wear their clothes. Lee Westwood signed a further deal with Dunlop in July to continue wearing their clothes he has no issues with it, and if anyone does, then its a bit strange.

There is nothing wrong with laughing at people for what they wear, its just a bit childish, but thats just my opinion.

[super_realist]

It's just an observation. It's a bit like being a multi millionaire and driving a Lada.
Why would you?

Obviously Westwood is being paid to wear their ghastly threads despite being mega rich, but if I were in his shoes, I'd wear what I wanted and not what some awful company low rent company paid me to wear.  

I associate Dunlop with Sports Direct and Mike Ashley (I'm aware Dunlop is part of Srixon), not something I consider a good thing.

[MontysMerkin]

I always wear whatevers on sale - TK Maxx and the latest direct golf sales have updated my 15 year old wardrobe. Who cares what you look like when whacking round a field?

[beninho]

Whether someone wears a dunlop top or a ridiculously overpriced big name golf brand top. It has absolutely no difference to how they play golf, anyone that thinks it does are wrong.

I dont think many people like Mike Ashley or Sports Direct but he is a successful business man, and I would assume a lot of people on this board have brought from his shops.

[super_realist]

Of course no one cares, but it's not very nice gear, and if you have the choice, why wear stuff which looks awful? Of course it's subjective, but if Westwood wasn't being paid, there isn't a chance he'd wear Dunlop gear.

[beninho]

Now I may not be the epitome of sartorial elegance but I honestly do not see how any of these look awful

http://store.dunlopsport.com/golf/golf-clothing/golf-clothing-tops#dcp=1&dppp=100&OrderBy=recent&Filter=ASUB%5EGolf+Polos

in fact some of these look worse!

http://www.galvingreen.com/mens-collection/products

[MontysMerkin]

I think it must be the logo...

[McLaren]

Ben I am with super, Dunlop is the pits.

[beninho]

If they have waterproof tops/trousers that dont keep the rain out, fine. But a T shirt is just a T shirt. They are Ok, but arent all golf type tops ok?

[super_realist]

Dunlop is the sartorial equivalent of a grey tracky.

[Davie]

If Dunlop offered to pay me what they pay Westwood I'd have their name tattooed across my arse

I never thought of super as being a golfing Gok Wan but perhaps he is

[raycastleunited]

Whether someone wears a dunlop top or a ridiculously overpriced big name golf brand top. It has absolutely no difference to how they play golf, anyone that thinks it does are wrong.

You've kind of missed the point with this sentence. Nobody, not even Super, stated this.

But as you are going to go there... actually the quality of the garment you wear does make a difference to how you play golf. You don't notice a well designed and well fitted top - it has no impact on your swing. However a poorly designed top gets in the way and inhibits your swing.

Generally, although not always, more expensive tops are better made.

[raycastleunited]

I always wear whatevers on sale - TK Maxx and the latest direct golf sales have updated my 15 year old wardrobe. Who cares what you look like when whacking round a field?

If you are discerning / lucky you can find some great clothes in TK Maxx.

I don't care what you look like when whacking round a field.

I do care what I look like. Always, whether in a field or not. Not obsessively, but I imagine for most people the style you adopt on the golf course is representative of your style off it too.

[MontysMerkin]

You hack your way through life as well? I certainly portray an unfortunate hacker on the course, and wearing the latest Galvins wouldn't hide the fact.

[super_realist]

You hack your way through life as well? I certainly portray an unfortunate hacker on the course, and wearing the latest Galvins wouldn't hide the fact.

Actually, that's a fair point. I was at the range the other day, and this guy had a set of those PXG Irons, M1 Driver, Scotty Cameron putter. I thought, perhaps this guy is good, I'll have a little watch and see how he hits it.

Complete and utter chopper. Could barely hit the ball, but obviously had more money than sense. Who would spend that much on a set of irons when they are completely rubbish?

[MustPuttBetter]

He could just like them and has the money spare.....?
People buy Ferrari's even though they're not Formula 1 drivers

[McLaren]

[quote="super_realist"]

Who would spend that much on a set of irons when they are completely rubbish?

Do you mean the irons or the player?


You will look like a prat but if you can cope with that then why not buy some better clubs if you are crap but have the money?


If you mean the irons, where have you read or heard that PXG irons aren't any good? I don't know anyone who has hit them and haven't seen them in the flesh.

[super_realist]

He could just like them and has the money spare.....?
People buy Ferrari's even though they're not Formula 1 drivers

They don't buy F1 cars though do they?

Yes he could just like them, but if you are so pathetic at golf, your money would be better spent on a set of irons that are much more forgiving at aimed at the beginner player instead of an iron built for good players.

I wouldn't buy a tennis racket strung for an ATP player or a set of ski's meant for Herman Muller. It's no wonder the average handicap of a golfer is a terrible 16. It seems common sense is in short supply among golfers.

Surely if you play something, you want the best tools for the job? Not just buy whatever is most expensive and doesn't suit you at all?

All the gear, no idea.

[MontysMerkin]

Who would spend that much on a set of irons when they are completely rubbish?

Do you mean the irons or the player?


You will look like a prat but if you can cope with that then why not buy some better clubs if you are crap but have the money?


If you mean the irons, where have you read or heard that PXG irons aren't any good?  I don't know anyone who has hit them and haven't seen them in the flesh.

Oi watch your quote quoting unquote.

[MustPuttBetter]

He could just like them and has the money spare.....?
People buy Ferrari's even though they're not Formula 1 drivers

They don't buy F1 cars though do they?

Yes he could just like them, but if you are so pathetic at golf, your money would be better spent on a set of irons that are much more forgiving at aimed at the beginner player instead of an iron built for good players.

I wouldn't buy a tennis racket strung for an ATP player or a set of ski's meant for Herman Muller. It's no wonder the average handicap of a golfer is a terrible 16. It seems common sense is in short supply among golfers.

Surely if you play something, you want the best tools for the job? Not just buy whatever is most expensive and doesn't suit you at all?

All the gear, no idea.

I really doubt the clubs your matey had are the same as those used by the sponsored pro's. doubt his 9 iron had Phil Mickelson's loft etc
But I agree, his money is probably actually better spent on lessons but maybe he really really liked them. Maybe he hits them better than the cavity backed big soled equivalent and maybe he's having lessons too

I just don't really buy into the 'you should have these clubs for this level' thing. Surely you just use whatever you hit best / enjoy most

[super_realist]

No, I'm talking about PXG clubs. He had the set aimed at quality players, not the game improvement model, not the beginner club, the low handicap model.

It would be akin to him hitting a set of Miura blades with the sweetspot the size of a 5p piece.

Of course, he's perfectly entitled to use whatever he likes. My point is that he perfectly represents why most golfers are of a truly terrible standard, and buying equipment which is not designed for him or the way he plays is one of those reasons.

If these PXG were the clubs which he hit best, I would really love to have seen him hit something that were worse.

It would be a mistake for me to buy a club with an X Stiff Shaft, because it wouldn't suit my swing speed, there isn't a chance these top end irons would be suitable for a complete chopper like this guy was who couldn't find the sweetspot if it was the size of a football.

[MustPuttBetter]

Fair enough
I don't know the PXG clubs well enough to know what they're like, and maybe you're right re this guy.
I use bladed irons, Wilson Staff FG62s and changed to them from cavity backed Wilson CI9s (no I don't have shares in Wilson Staff).
They've got the right shafts for me.
I changed to them when I was a 17 handicap. Between the change of clubs and a lesson I dropped to 10 within about 3 months.
The number of times I heard people say 'you shouldn't be using blades with your handicap....'. People who knew nothing about my golf swing or why, out of all the clubs I tried they were the best I hit by a distance, just knew my handicap. It's such lazy 'advice'

[super_realist]

Well, that's very true, specifically in shafts for example.
However the notion that this guy couldn't get a better tool for the job of improving his golf than a set of PXG's is stretching things so far that you can only conclude that he'd rather have pricey gear than become better at the game.

[dynamark]

average of 16 sounds a bit low tbh(my last was 17)
and if anyone sees me in a tk max ( or a pound shop )they have my full permission to shoot me

[SmithersJones]

Rick Shiels did a very interesting comparison between the PXG, Titleist and Mizuno players irons;

[super_realist]

Rick Shiels is very good actually.

[SmithersJones]

Thing I took away from that was that given that they're all pretty much identical, why pay so much more for the PXGs?

[super_realist]

Indeed, there doesn't seem to be much between them, especially considering he can't possibly put the same swing on each of them.

Pretty much identical, and certainly no gain worth the extra outlay. Nice looking clubs though.

[navyblueshorts]

Re. Dunlop clothing. Rather that than ridiculous bunce to be yet another ovine Galvin Green wearer. As far as Westwood goes a) we don't know if he's paid to wear it and b) we don't know if there's some specific reason (other than money) why he'd be supporting them - maybe an old school mate is CEO or something.

Re. PXG irons. Look nice, but seriously doubt there's any performance gain for any but the absolute best and even then, I'd like to see some Iron Byron data from hundreds, if not thousands, of balls hit. Not worth the money, but then if you're a pro, guess they don't cost you anything.

[super_realist]

Of course he gets paid to wear it, you wouldn't sign a contract with them to get paid nothing.
Sure he's got an old school friend in Japan who he feels compelled to wear Dunlop gear.

Dunlop Golf is part of Srixon.

[beninho]

This Dunlop Sports thing is strange.

It seems its a British company, mainly owned by Sports Direct. Though in Japan the rights are owned by the parent company of Srixon. Old reports state that in 2005 Darren Clarke, Westwood and Howell had deals with Dunlop where they had no upfront payments but bonuses if they won a major during the 10 year deal, Clarke picked up over 2m from them when he won the Open. I did see that Westwood negotiated again in 2015 I would assume he left that clause well out of it, and got some cash!

Thinking Chubby and Mike Ashley are cut from the same stone.

I

[super_realist]

Interesting. It's amazing that Japan would be interested in a company with such an image problem.

[pedro]

One of my first tennis rackets was a Dunlop, the same as John McEnroe had. (my all time favorite player btw). At that time it was one of the most popular tennis brands. Fantastic gear. So whenever I see the logo on Westwood's boobie it reminds me of those days.

[super_realist]

I see Dunlop the same way I see Wilson staff. Another company with an image problem.

Dunlop by all accounts have won more majors than any other Racquet company, but it's still down in the dumps in regards to market capital and influence these days, especially in golf.
I'm sure we all grew up playing Dunlop 65i and Maxfli, but it's a company which is still stuck back in that era in regards to golf. Can't think of the last decent product which was made by Dunlop, maybe some old maxfli irons

[Davie]

They do an interesting range of golf balls at the moment that Sports Direct sell off at ridiculously cheap prices .. I think I saw 2 dozen for a tenner! Wasn't going to risk them even at those prices but I read the blurb on the box and they "claim" to be comparable to NXTs and some of the Srixon balls. Decided to try them and they're really not too bad! Definitely Pro V1 class but certainly similar to the cheaper Titleist balls

[beninho]

Dunlop and Slazenger are part of the same company. I remember when Slazenger sponsored loads of tennis and cricketers. Dumlop being part of sports direct means its golf clubs are aimed at the lower end of the game, probably fine for people still taking it up or kid sets though.

Wislon Staff, does seem to have an image problem, though not really sure why. They seem to be a bit behind the main names, though have a decent list of pros playing them and winning on tour.

[super_realist]

I'm sure Dunlop fit a certain type of golfer and that they are perfectly fine. In fact, they are probably good enough for most golfers given the average handicap of a golfer.
I'll never use them though, in the same way I wouldn't want a Vauxhall. Perhaps I'm a snob.

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