Hairsprays v Clarts & Strongbowmen 29/10/16 1500

First topic message reminder :

Ospreys

15 Dan Evans

14 Keelan Giles

13 Ben John

12 Ashley Beck

11 Eli Walker

10 Josh Matavesi

9 Tom Habberfield (Capt)



1 Paul James

2 Scott Baldwin

3 Dmitri Arhip

4 Lloyd Ashley

5 Adam Beard

6 Dan Lydiate

7 Olly Cracknell

8 Joe Bearman


Replacements - Sam Parry, Gareth Thomas, Ma'afu Fia, Rob McCusker, Scott Otten, Brendon Leonard, Jonathan Spratt,Dafydd Howells.

Players  missing through injury - Tyler Ardron (thumb), Hanno Dirksen (knee), Jeff Hassler (Achilles), Sam Underhill (shoulder) and Owen Watkin knee with Dan Baker, Dan Biggar, BBBD, Sam Davies, AWJ, James King, Nicky Smith, Rory Thornton, Justin Tipuric and Rhys Webb away with TW.

Newport Gwent Dragons

15 Tom Prydie, 14 Pat Howard, 13 Sam Beard, 12 Jack Dixon, 11 Adam Warren, 10 Nick Macloed, 9 Tavis Knoyle; 1 Sam Hobbs, 2 Thomas Rhys Thomas, 3 Brok Harris, 4 Nick Crosswell, 5 Rynard Landman, 6 Lewis Evans ©, 7 Nic Cudd, 8 Ed Jackson.

Replacements: Rhys Buckley, Phil Price, Lloyd Fairbrother, Matthew Screech, Ollie Griffiths, Sarel Pretorius, Geraint Rhys Jones, Ashton Hewitt

Players who are unavailable for selection: Cory Hill (Wales), Tyler Morgan (Wales), Hallam Amos (Wales), Harri Keddie (Wales), Leon Brown (Wales), Elliot Dee (Ankle), James Benjamin (Ankle), Ashley Sweet (Chest), Bryce Morgan (Concussion), Adam Hughes (Concussion), Dorian Jones (Groin), Carl Meyer (Groin), Charlie Davies (Hamstring), George Gasson (Knee), Joe Davies (Neck/ Shoulder), Lloyd Lewis (Shoulder), Angus O’Brien (Sick).

wayne wrote:Daimitri Arhip cited for an infringement in this match,and was yellow carded for the infringement by the referee and endorsed by the TMO, but Dan Lydiate who did practically the same thing gets away with it totally. What a load of B0LLOCKS.

The pundits on Scrum V, Jiffy in particular said it was only worth a penalty, but probably he'll get banned for 2 weeks with a reduction because of previous good behavior and remorse. He will probably miss our next game on Friday away to Munster.

A ban would be having a laugh.The Pro12 should be focussing more on improving refereeing,assistant refereeing and TMO performance if they want something to do.Btw we've got Mitrea on Friday!! We've got no chance.

exile jack wrote:

wayne wrote:Daimitri Arhip cited for an infringement in this match,and was yellow carded for the infringement by the referee and endorsed by the TMO, but Dan Lydiate who did practically the same thing gets away with it totally. What a load of B0LLOCKS.

The pundits on Scrum V, Jiffy in particular said it was only worth a penalty, but probably he'll get banned for 2 weeks with a reduction because of previous good behavior and remorse. He will probably miss our next game on Friday away to Munster.

A ban would be having a laugh.The Pro12 should be focussing more on improving refereeing,assistant refereeing and TMO performance if they want something to do.Btw we've got Mitrea on Friday!! We've got no chance.

Jack personally I'd be pleading not guilty, have the Lydiate incident in my evidence and also the TMO and Referees remarks as evidence also, and if at all possible the Scrum V panels thoughts as well, the only problem with that scenario is, it is not showing remorse, and if found guilty there would be no reduction and there could be the possibility of him missing the Glasgow game as well.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if he pleaded guilty and showed remorse and had the reduction, which would be a ridiculous ending to this saga.

Hasn't Arhip been carded / disciplined for leading with the arm before? If so, they're bound to take that into account.

If the Clarts had seen things as foul play there'd have been a right hullaballoo.Same goes for Lydiate.In both cases the Clarts played on.All credit to them.

Fat lot of good it did us!

Beyond my pay grade to comment on the Clarts but in their games i've seen they seem to have periods of play when they just can't seem to get ahead on the scoreboard.The 1st quarter on Saturday for example.The O's will need a much better 1st quarter in Cork on Friday particularly with Mitrea's scrum and ruck interpretations.

exile jack wrote:Beyond my pay grade to comment on the Clarts but in their games i've seen they seem to have periods of play when they just can't seem to get ahead on the scoreboard.

That's chronic with us. We don't have that much trouble getting ten metres out, but once we're there it's like we don't know what to do next.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Hasn't Arhip been carded / disciplined for leading with the arm before? If so, they're bound to take that into account.

Sorry LP when did these happen, not doubting your word, just don't remember it and according to a statistics site I've looked at, he has not been carded in any way in GP games since he joined us.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

exile jack wrote:Beyond my pay grade to comment on the Clarts but in their games i've seen they seem to have periods of play when they just can't seem to get ahead on the scoreboard.

That's chronic with us. We don't have that much trouble getting ten metres out, but once we're there it's like we don't know what to do next.

It's just one view but I think all the Regions would benefit from less emphasis on 'going around the corner' until they inevitably lose the ball or get turned over.That together with poor box kicking and missed passing don't help the Regions.

wayne wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Hasn't Arhip been carded / disciplined for leading with the arm before? If so, they're bound to take that into account.

Sorry LP when did these happen, not doubting your word, just don't remember it and according to a statistics site I've looked at, he has not been carded in any way in GP games since he joined us.  

I just thought he'd been done for it before. I could well be wrong!

exile jack wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

exile jack wrote:Beyond my pay grade to comment on the Clarts but in their games i've seen they seem to have periods of play when they just can't seem to get ahead on the scoreboard.

That's chronic with us. We don't have that much trouble getting ten metres out, but once we're there it's like we don't know what to do next.

It's just one view but I think all the Regions would benefit from less emphasis on 'going around the corner' until they inevitably lose the ball or get turned over.That together with poor box kicking and missed passing don't help the Regions.

It's annoying as hell - we'll see it with Wales over the next month, no doubt. White line fever. You can't blame the forwards for going for glory themselves, but the half backs need to take more control.

So Daimitri has been deemed to have taken part in an act of foul play, but it was not worthy of a RED CARD, and has been allowed to be able to play this weekend, as I said when this story broke, the Scrum V panel, especially Jiffy deemed that a penalty was all it was worth. Common sense prevails IMO.

What is worrying to me, and this example was taken from the Ospreys Forum from a normally responsible poster.

We all have opinions, home team supporters have, away team supporters have, Referees and Assistant Referees do, as do TMOs. Let me just say that if it had been left in the sole opinion of the Referee Ben Whitehouse, Dmitri would have received a RED CARD, it was only because of the interruption of the TMO, experienced referee Gareth Simmonds, who pointed out that the initial contact with I think it was Ed Jackson was in the chest/shoulder area. Let me just say that Ed in no way tried to milk this action to get Dmitri carded, thanks for that ED.

What is the worrying point for me, is the fact that the Citing Commissioner for this game was ex Referee Gwyn Bowden, nothing wrong with that at all, the worrying part is that Mr Bowden is a DIRECTOR OF THE WRU, during this game another example of the type of piece of foul play took place in which the guilty party was Dan Lydiate, it was practically identical to Dmitri's, so if Dmitri warranted citing, why wasn't Dan.
There have been a number of Topics on this Forum examining the issue of bias, some with Nationalistic undertones, this kind of example doesn't help our League, just a normal Welsh referee would have been fine.

wayne wrote:So Daimitri has been deemed to have taken part in an act of foul play, but it was not worthy of a RED CARD, and has been allowed to be able to play this weekend, as I said when this story broke, the Scrum V panel, especially Jiffy deemed that a penalty was all it was worth. Common sense prevails IMO.

What is worrying to me, and this example was taken from the Ospreys Forum from a normally responsible poster.

We all have opinions, home team supporters have, away team supporters have, Referees and Assistant Referees do, as do TMOs. Let me just say that if it had been left in the sole opinion of the Referee Ben Whitehouse, Dmitri would have received a RED CARD, it was only because of the interruption of the TMO, experienced referee Gareth Simmonds, who pointed out that the initial contact with I think it was Ed Jackson was in the chest/shoulder area. Let me just say that Ed in no way tried to milk this action to get Dmitri carded, thanks for that ED.

What is the worrying point for me, is the fact that the Citing Commissioner for this game was ex Referee Gwyn Bowden, nothing wrong with that at all, the worrying part is that Mr Bowden is a DIRECTOR OF THE WRU, during this game another example of the type of piece of foul play took place in which the guilty party was Dan Lydiate, it was practically identical to Dmitri's, so if Dmitri warranted citing, why wasn't Dan.
There have been a number of Topics on this Forum examining the issue of bias, some with Nationalistic undertones, this kind of example doesn't help our League, just a normal Welsh referee would have been fine.      

Another thing to wonder about what we're watching.