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Scotland Autumn series post mortem and 6N look ahead
First topic message reminder :
Results
Scotland 22 Australia 23
Scotland 19 Argentina 16
Scotland 43 Georgia 16
I think the Scotsman summed up our Autumn Series pretty well:
6N fixtures
Scotland V Ireland
France V Scotland
Scotland V Wales
England V Scotand
Scotland V Italy
Results
Scotland 22 Australia 23
Scotland 19 Argentina 16
Scotland 43 Georgia 16
I think the Scotsman summed up our Autumn Series pretty well:
Scotsman wrote:Two wins, one desperately narrow loss that could have ended differently, ten tries, two ranking places gained and all of the above completed with the absence of a host of players who have proved crucial for Scotland in the past, including the two best props in the country. All in, there was much to admire about Scotland’s autumn series
6N fixtures
Scotland V Ireland
France V Scotland
Scotland V Wales
England V Scotand
Scotland V Italy
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I think a huge amount hinges on the opening game against Ireland. Lose that and we have a daunting trip to a resurgent France, win and we travel with confidence knowing we have the players to beat them.
Either way, it's going to be a fiercely competitive tournament. I think we will do much the same as last year, lose to Ireland and England, and sneak two wins out of the France, Wales and Italy games.
Either way, it's going to be a fiercely competitive tournament. I think we will do much the same as last year, lose to Ireland and England, and sneak two wins out of the France, Wales and Italy games.
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Scotland should be targeting 3 wins with Italy (who are inconsistent but their average performance is poor), Wales (Howley is head coach and some of the team's stars are not looking in great form/injured (North, Faletau, Warburton, Webb)) and France (a general mess of a team at this point) the bread and butter.
Ireland had a great November and it will be interesting to see if they can maintain that level. I am not overly sold on them at the moment. Saying that we will probably get our tails handed to us.
England will be missing at least 2 of their starting back row and I am not sure who replaces the work rate (Robshaw) or carries (Vunipola). Maybe Hughes adapts to the international game and Wood does a serviceable impression of Robshaw but it makes them a little more vulnerable. If Ford or Farrell get crocked or banned, 12 becomes an interesting conundrum for them. Farrell has become almost indispensable to England being the clear number 2 in the world.
Ireland had a great November and it will be interesting to see if they can maintain that level. I am not overly sold on them at the moment. Saying that we will probably get our tails handed to us.
England will be missing at least 2 of their starting back row and I am not sure who replaces the work rate (Robshaw) or carries (Vunipola). Maybe Hughes adapts to the international game and Wood does a serviceable impression of Robshaw but it makes them a little more vulnerable. If Ford or Farrell get crocked or banned, 12 becomes an interesting conundrum for them. Farrell has become almost indispensable to England being the clear number 2 in the world.
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We'll definitely score tries against any of the other teams, no doubt about that. The likely starting backs are all looking in excellent form currently. Presuming he'll start, Laidlaw is going to have to try to up his tempo to replicate the style of game Price plays at Glasgow and which is suiting Russell perfectly.
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Had a dream (nightmare) last night that against Wales we lost a try after 22s (Bennett missed a tackle) then went on to get pumped 55-6.
Let#s hope it isn't a premonition of the future!
Let#s hope it isn't a premonition of the future!
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RDW_Scotland wrote:Had a dream (nightmare) last night that against Wales we lost a try after 22s (Bennett missed a tackle) then went on to get pumped 55-6.
Let#s hope it isn't a premonition of the future!
This scenario is just as likely as us humping the sheep botherers by 40 points! (quite likely)
The way we play just now, anything is possible!
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We'll beat Wales. They are in decline and we are on the up. Jonny Gray will eat The Legend (aka AWJ) for breakfast, and Stuart Hogg will run rings around The Most World Class Player Of All Time Ever (aka Liam Williams).
34-6 to Scotland.
34-6 to Scotland.
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Not to sound too overly confident, but I think several things are going in Scotland's favour currently..
lack of crucial injuries - Our best players are all fit and on form. We'll have a well rested and raring to go WP Nel as well as several young forwards who are improving with every game.
England have injury problems but that doesn't mean anything as their strength and depth is great, but still it may help us with results if they trip up early in the tournament. As Jones said, they have to win it again not retain it.
Ireland is a crucial game though isn't it? Assuming we lose the first two games, the Wales game will be crucial for avoiding a wooden spoon showdown. In other words, the tournament could go sour really quick so those first two games are so so important.
lack of crucial injuries - Our best players are all fit and on form. We'll have a well rested and raring to go WP Nel as well as several young forwards who are improving with every game.
England have injury problems but that doesn't mean anything as their strength and depth is great, but still it may help us with results if they trip up early in the tournament. As Jones said, they have to win it again not retain it.
Ireland is a crucial game though isn't it? Assuming we lose the first two games, the Wales game will be crucial for avoiding a wooden spoon showdown. In other words, the tournament could go sour really quick so those first two games are so so important.
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bsando wrote:Not to sound too overly confident, but I think several things are going in Scotland's favour currently..
lack of crucial injuries - Our best players are all fit and on form. We'll have a well rested and raring to go WP Nel as well as several young forwards who are improving with every game.
England have injury problems but that doesn't mean anything as their strength and depth is great, but still it may help us with results if they trip up early in the tournament. As Jones said, they have to win it again not retain it.
Ireland is a crucial game though isn't it? Assuming we lose the first two games, the Wales game will be crucial for avoiding a wooden spoon showdown. In other words, the tournament could go sour really quick so those first two games are so so important.
Careful there! still a few games to go yet!
Also, I'd still class Nel and Dickinson as crucial and injured!
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bsando wrote:Not to sound too overly confident, but I think several things are going in Scotland's favour currently..
lack of crucial injuries - Our best players are all fit and on form. We'll have a well rested and raring to go WP Nel as well as several young forwards who are improving with every game.
England have injury problems but that doesn't mean anything as their strength and depth is great, but still it may help us with results if they trip up early in the tournament. As Jones said, they have to win it again not retain it.
Ireland is a crucial game though isn't it? Assuming we lose the first two games, the Wales game will be crucial for avoiding a wooden spoon showdown. In other words, the tournament could go sour really quick so those first two games are so so important.
Bloody hell, bsando is trying his best to put the injury mockers on us.
I do see what you mean though, I am praying Finn Russell gets through the two big European games though. The prospect of the meatball starting at 10 against Ireland is turning me off my tea.
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Scotland will lose heavily to Wales and the Welsh Way.
The final score will be 132-6, with Phil Bennett and JPR Williams running riot.
Victory will be numerical, moral and comprehensively psychological.
Yours,
Dai Jones Morgan Williams
The final score will be 132-6, with Phil Bennett and JPR Williams running riot.
Victory will be numerical, moral and comprehensively psychological.
Yours,
Dai Jones Morgan Williams
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George Carlin wrote:Scotland will lose heavily to Wales and the Welsh Way.
The final score will be 132-6, with Phil Bennett and JPR Williams running riot.
Victory will be numerical, moral and comprehensively psychological.
Yours,
Dai Jones Morgan Williams
I always thought winning both numerically and morally was impossible! Every team has to pick one option and unfortunately for us we chose morally.
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funnyExiledScot wrote:George Carlin wrote:Scotland will lose heavily to Wales and the Welsh Way.
The final score will be 132-6, with Phil Bennett and JPR Williams running riot.
Victory will be numerical, moral and comprehensively psychological.
Yours,
Dai Jones Morgan Williams
I always thought winning both numerically and morally was impossible! Every team has to pick one option and unfortunately for us we chose immorally.
Fixed that for you, poor Biggar
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Biggar? As in world rugby's most whiniest, bitchy, soft as marshmallow, complaining to the ref all the time, injury fawning, foul play simulating, attention seeking ponce?
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I think that it's important to be absolutely clear about this issue:
Dan Biggar An enormous jessie
Dan Biggar An enormous jessie
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Anything less than 3 wins and I'll be disappointed.
I can't see us winning in Dublin but at murrayfield you never know, they may pull off a shocker, and Ireland tend to start off the 6N rusty so it'd be good to catch them off guard. I'm going to be bold and say we win against Ireland, lose to France by a point, just win against Wales, pumped by England, scrape past Italy in the typical Scotland style.
I can't see us winning in Dublin but at murrayfield you never know, they may pull off a shocker, and Ireland tend to start off the 6N rusty so it'd be good to catch them off guard. I'm going to be bold and say we win against Ireland, lose to France by a point, just win against Wales, pumped by England, scrape past Italy in the typical Scotland style.
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Aren't Edinburgh looking for a stand-off?tigertattie wrote:Biggar? As in world rugby's most whiniest, bitchy, soft as marshmallow, complaining to the ref all the time, injury fawning, foul play simulating, attention seeking ponce?
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We'll stick with Tovey thanks!
He's twice the man Biggar is! Biggar may be a better player, but Tovey is the better human being!
He's twice the man Biggar is! Biggar may be a better player, but Tovey is the better human being!
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tigertattie wrote:Biggar? As in world rugby's most whiniest, bitchy, soft as marshmallow, complaining to the ref all the time, injury fawning, foul play simulating, attention seeking ponce?
Hogg takes that crown
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OK so we're close enough to the first game to have a fair idea of who is going to be available for selection. So assuming that Dickinson, Sutherland, Hardie, Taylor and Jones will be injured or only just returned from injury, and that Nel will be fit and well, here's my expected team selection for the Ireland game:
1 Dell
2 Ford
3 Nel
4 Gray
5 Gray
6 Bradbury
7 Watson
8 Strauss
9 Laidlaw
10 Russell
11 Seymour
12 Dunbar
13 Scott (been playing there a lot for Gloucester)
14 Maitland
15 Hogg
Subs Reid, Brown, Fagerson, Gilchrist (fairly certain VC will pick him), Wilson, Price, Jackson, Bennett
With questionmarks over the 6 and 13 shirts - VC might go for Wilson and Bennett instead
1 Dell
2 Ford
3 Nel
4 Gray
5 Gray
6 Bradbury
7 Watson
8 Strauss
9 Laidlaw
10 Russell
11 Seymour
12 Dunbar
13 Scott (been playing there a lot for Gloucester)
14 Maitland
15 Hogg
Subs Reid, Brown, Fagerson, Gilchrist (fairly certain VC will pick him), Wilson, Price, Jackson, Bennett
With questionmarks over the 6 and 13 shirts - VC might go for Wilson and Bennett instead
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Any chance we'll see CDP as a bolter in this Scotland squad?
He's a great talent, but there's no way I would have Bradbury instead of Barclay, who is currently playing very well and who takes some of the pressure off Watson.
Can we really not do better than Dell at loosehead? Is he really better than Reid or Welsh? I grant you that keeping front row club level continuity is a good thing.
He's a great talent, but there's no way I would have Bradbury instead of Barclay, who is currently playing very well and who takes some of the pressure off Watson.
Can we really not do better than Dell at loosehead? Is he really better than Reid or Welsh? I grant you that keeping front row club level continuity is a good thing.
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George Carlin wrote:Any chance we'll see CDP as a bolter in this Scotland squad?
He's a great talent, but there's no way I would have Bradbury instead of Barclay, who is currently playing very well and who takes some of the pressure off Watson.
Can we really not do better than Dell at loosehead? Is he really better than Reid or Welsh? I grant you that keeping front row club level continuity is a good thing.
Woops forgot about Barclay - agreed that he will probably start at 6 and Bradbury and Wilson will fight out for a bench spot (I'd go for Bradbury, obviously). CDP's form doesn't warrant inclusion but he may be invovled at some point over the 6N.
Dell is the incumbent after a strong Ai performance, against some big scrummaging teams - Reid was a bit of a loose cannon when he came off the bench! Welsh is also now officially a tighthead.
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Dell earned the spot in November and has played well. Reid has big Munster and Leicester scrums to demonstrate his ability. If he does well, he starts. If he struggles a little, Dell starts.
Will a recovering Nel start ahead of an in-form Fagerson and Welsh? TH depth is looking good leading into the 6 nations.
I think Barclay will start at 6 and would like Bradbury on the bench but expect Wilson. Harley has been brilliant for Glasgow and has a better argument than Bradbury for the 6 shirt.
Otherwise I am happy with that team. Seymour, Maitland and Visser have been scoring for fun so defense counts for more than normal. Scott has been excellent and edges Bennett.
Will a recovering Nel start ahead of an in-form Fagerson and Welsh? TH depth is looking good leading into the 6 nations.
I think Barclay will start at 6 and would like Bradbury on the bench but expect Wilson. Harley has been brilliant for Glasgow and has a better argument than Bradbury for the 6 shirt.
Otherwise I am happy with that team. Seymour, Maitland and Visser have been scoring for fun so defense counts for more than normal. Scott has been excellent and edges Bennett.
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This is the team I reckon we'll see:
Dell - Did well during the AIs and until Dicko/Sutherland are back then our best LH
Ford - close between Brown and him
Nel - Should be back this weekend, assuming all goes well he should be starting
Gray
Gray
Barclay - Would like to see Bradbury given a shot, but Barclay is in form
Watson
Wilson - Has actually done ok in his last couple of tests and at club level, probably included based on form for the first time ever
Laidlaw
Russell
Seymour
Dunbar
Taylor - back for sarries (on the bench last weekend) and has a lot of credit based on last year.
Maitland
Hogg
Scott has been told by VC to improve his defence, before he's considered again, so will be interesting to see if he's involved. But 2nd top try scorer in the prem should see him involved in some capacity.
off topic, but apparently Bennett is unlikely to be offered a contract at Glasgow, or at least rumour is he's not been offered one as yet and is out of contract this season. They might be working their way round to him, but from the sound of things he's not a priority at least.
Dell - Did well during the AIs and until Dicko/Sutherland are back then our best LH
Ford - close between Brown and him
Nel - Should be back this weekend, assuming all goes well he should be starting
Gray
Gray
Barclay - Would like to see Bradbury given a shot, but Barclay is in form
Watson
Wilson - Has actually done ok in his last couple of tests and at club level, probably included based on form for the first time ever
Laidlaw
Russell
Seymour
Dunbar
Taylor - back for sarries (on the bench last weekend) and has a lot of credit based on last year.
Maitland
Hogg
Scott has been told by VC to improve his defence, before he's considered again, so will be interesting to see if he's involved. But 2nd top try scorer in the prem should see him involved in some capacity.
off topic, but apparently Bennett is unlikely to be offered a contract at Glasgow, or at least rumour is he's not been offered one as yet and is out of contract this season. They might be working their way round to him, but from the sound of things he's not a priority at least.
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Hazel Sapling wrote:Dell earned the spot in November and has played well. Reid has big Munster and Leicester scrums to demonstrate his ability. If he does well, he starts. If he struggles a little, Dell starts.
Will a recovering Nel start ahead of an in-form Fagerson and Welsh? TH depth is looking good leading into the 6 nations.
I think Barclay will start at 6 and would like Bradbury on the bench but expect Wilson. Harley has been brilliant for Glasgow and has a better argument than Bradbury for the 6 shirt.
Otherwise I am happy with that team. Seymour, Maitland and Visser have been scoring for fun so defense counts for more than normal. Scott has been excellent and edges Bennett.
yes! Fagerson really struggled in the AIs at scrum time. He's still developing but Nel is just a much better Tighthead! If Nel hasn't shaken off his injury then Fagerson will start but if Nel is injury free, regardless of Match fitness, he'll be starting!
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tigertattie wrote:Hazel Sapling wrote:Dell earned the spot in November and has played well. Reid has big Munster and Leicester scrums to demonstrate his ability. If he does well, he starts. If he struggles a little, Dell starts.
Will a recovering Nel start ahead of an in-form Fagerson and Welsh? TH depth is looking good leading into the 6 nations.
I think Barclay will start at 6 and would like Bradbury on the bench but expect Wilson. Harley has been brilliant for Glasgow and has a better argument than Bradbury for the 6 shirt.
Otherwise I am happy with that team. Seymour, Maitland and Visser have been scoring for fun so defense counts for more than normal. Scott has been excellent and edges Bennett.
yes! Fagerson really struggled in the AIs at scrum time. He's still developing but Nel is just a much better Tighthead! If Nel hasn't shaken off his injury then Fagerson will start but if Nel is injury free, regardless of Match fitness, he'll be starting!
I don't think Nel should be thrown straight in unless he has had a few games under his belt. He has had a neck injury which is very debilitating for a prop.
There's only 2 Edinburgh games before teh 6N so he's going to be desperately short of match fitness, and may only play part of the game against quins since this is his first game back after a long layoff.
We might need Fagerson to give us 50-60 minutes against Ireland.
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RDW_Scotland wrote:tigertattie wrote:Hazel Sapling wrote:Dell earned the spot in November and has played well. Reid has big Munster and Leicester scrums to demonstrate his ability. If he does well, he starts. If he struggles a little, Dell starts.
Will a recovering Nel start ahead of an in-form Fagerson and Welsh? TH depth is looking good leading into the 6 nations.
I think Barclay will start at 6 and would like Bradbury on the bench but expect Wilson. Harley has been brilliant for Glasgow and has a better argument than Bradbury for the 6 shirt.
Otherwise I am happy with that team. Seymour, Maitland and Visser have been scoring for fun so defense counts for more than normal. Scott has been excellent and edges Bennett.
yes! Fagerson really struggled in the AIs at scrum time. He's still developing but Nel is just a much better Tighthead! If Nel hasn't shaken off his injury then Fagerson will start but if Nel is injury free, regardless of Match fitness, he'll be starting!
I don't think Nel should be thrown straight in unless he has had a few games under his belt. He has had a neck injury which is very debilitating for a prop.
There's only 2 Edinburgh games before teh 6N so he's going to be desperately short of match fitness, and may only play part of the game against quins since this is his first game back after a long layoff.
We might need Fagerson to give us 50-60 minutes against Ireland.
Hardly struggled! We definitely struggled when Low-power came on but Fagerson made a great account of himself in the Autumn, and held up well against basically all of the opposing front rows, even Georgia who pride themselves on that.
I'd have no problem with Fagerson starting against Ireland to be honest, and agree that Nel shouldn't be rushed back, look how many times Scotland have done that and ruined players in the past!
We should be near to our best squad against Ireland, I'd be happy with most combinations in the centres but think it's a good opportunity to bring back the Dunbar-Scott axis that has served us well in the past. I wouldn't be unhappy with Bennett instead. Like Nel, I think it's too soon for Taylor but he should definitely train with the boys, and as far as I'm aware Huw won't be in action until the end of the 6Ns.
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I think Vern will go for something like this, assuming Nel and Jones are fit.
1. Dell
2. Ford
3. Nel
4. Gray
5. Gray
6. Barclay
7. Watson
8. Wilson
9. Laidlaw (c)
10. Russell
11. Seymour
12. Dunbar
13. Jones
14. Maitland
15. Hogg
16. Reid
17. Brown
18. Fagerson
19. Gilchrist
20. Bradbury
21. Price
22. Taylor
23. Visser
The main area of concern is the backrow. Wilson starts, but you will never hear me say he is international class, and Barclay, despite being a good player, gives away physicality against the best 6's in the business.
1. Dell
2. Ford
3. Nel
4. Gray
5. Gray
6. Barclay
7. Watson
8. Wilson
9. Laidlaw (c)
10. Russell
11. Seymour
12. Dunbar
13. Jones
14. Maitland
15. Hogg
16. Reid
17. Brown
18. Fagerson
19. Gilchrist
20. Bradbury
21. Price
22. Taylor
23. Visser
The main area of concern is the backrow. Wilson starts, but you will never hear me say he is international class, and Barclay, despite being a good player, gives away physicality against the best 6's in the business.
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Hopefully Nelly will start against Quins and can hand Marler's tattooed backside back to him.
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George Carlin wrote:Hopefully Nelly will start against Quins and can hand Marler's tattooed backside back to him.
Marler has fractured his leg, I would imagine he'll miss the Edinburgh game.
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A broken leg wouldn't have stopped Solomons from starting Nel.EWT Spoons wrote:George Carlin wrote:Hopefully Nelly will start against Quins and can hand Marler's tattooed backside back to him.
Marler has fractured his leg, I would imagine he'll miss the Edinburgh game.
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NeilyBroon wrote:RDW_Scotland wrote:tigertattie wrote:Hazel Sapling wrote:Dell earned the spot in November and has played well. Reid has big Munster and Leicester scrums to demonstrate his ability. If he does well, he starts. If he struggles a little, Dell starts.
Will a recovering Nel start ahead of an in-form Fagerson and Welsh? TH depth is looking good leading into the 6 nations.
I think Barclay will start at 6 and would like Bradbury on the bench but expect Wilson. Harley has been brilliant for Glasgow and has a better argument than Bradbury for the 6 shirt.
Otherwise I am happy with that team. Seymour, Maitland and Visser have been scoring for fun so defense counts for more than normal. Scott has been excellent and edges Bennett.
yes! Fagerson really struggled in the AIs at scrum time. He's still developing but Nel is just a much better Tighthead! If Nel hasn't shaken off his injury then Fagerson will start but if Nel is injury free, regardless of Match fitness, he'll be starting!
I don't think Nel should be thrown straight in unless he has had a few games under his belt. He has had a neck injury which is very debilitating for a prop.
There's only 2 Edinburgh games before teh 6N so he's going to be desperately short of match fitness, and may only play part of the game against quins since this is his first game back after a long layoff.
We might need Fagerson to give us 50-60 minutes against Ireland.
Hardly struggled! We definitely struggled when Low-power came on but Fagerson made a great account of himself in the Autumn, and held up well against basically all of the opposing front rows, even Georgia who pride themselves on that.
I'd have no problem with Fagerson starting against Ireland to be honest, and agree that Nel shouldn't be rushed back, look how many times Scotland have done that and ruined players in the past!
We should be near to our best squad against Ireland, I'd be happy with most combinations in the centres but think it's a good opportunity to bring back the Dunbar-Scott axis that has served us well in the past. I wouldn't be unhappy with Bennett instead. Like Nel, I think it's too soon for Taylor but he should definitely train with the boys, and as far as I'm aware Huw won't be in action until the end of the 6Ns.
Oh I'm not advocating Lowe. The scrums got remarkably worse when he came on but they weren't good with ZooZander either! Against Arg and Georgia, I don't think we won a single scrum against the head nor won many penalties or free kicks. We deffo lost our one scrum on occasions and gave away plenty penalties and free kicks.
I'm not saying throw ZooZander in the "never going to make it" pile, but he's nowhere near the standard than Nel is at!
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tigertattie wrote:NeilyBroon wrote:RDW_Scotland wrote:tigertattie wrote:Hazel Sapling wrote:Dell earned the spot in November and has played well. Reid has big Munster and Leicester scrums to demonstrate his ability. If he does well, he starts. If he struggles a little, Dell starts.
Will a recovering Nel start ahead of an in-form Fagerson and Welsh? TH depth is looking good leading into the 6 nations.
I think Barclay will start at 6 and would like Bradbury on the bench but expect Wilson. Harley has been brilliant for Glasgow and has a better argument than Bradbury for the 6 shirt.
Otherwise I am happy with that team. Seymour, Maitland and Visser have been scoring for fun so defense counts for more than normal. Scott has been excellent and edges Bennett.
yes! Fagerson really struggled in the AIs at scrum time. He's still developing but Nel is just a much better Tighthead! If Nel hasn't shaken off his injury then Fagerson will start but if Nel is injury free, regardless of Match fitness, he'll be starting!
I don't think Nel should be thrown straight in unless he has had a few games under his belt. He has had a neck injury which is very debilitating for a prop.
There's only 2 Edinburgh games before teh 6N so he's going to be desperately short of match fitness, and may only play part of the game against quins since this is his first game back after a long layoff.
We might need Fagerson to give us 50-60 minutes against Ireland.
Hardly struggled! We definitely struggled when Low-power came on but Fagerson made a great account of himself in the Autumn, and held up well against basically all of the opposing front rows, even Georgia who pride themselves on that.
I'd have no problem with Fagerson starting against Ireland to be honest, and agree that Nel shouldn't be rushed back, look how many times Scotland have done that and ruined players in the past!
We should be near to our best squad against Ireland, I'd be happy with most combinations in the centres but think it's a good opportunity to bring back the Dunbar-Scott axis that has served us well in the past. I wouldn't be unhappy with Bennett instead. Like Nel, I think it's too soon for Taylor but he should definitely train with the boys, and as far as I'm aware Huw won't be in action until the end of the 6Ns.
Oh I'm not advocating Lowe. The scrums got remarkably worse when he came on but they weren't good with ZooZander either! Against Arg and Georgia, I don't think we won a single scrum against the head nor won many penalties or free kicks. We deffo lost our one scrum on occasions and gave away plenty penalties and free kicks.
I'm not saying throw ZooZander in the "never going to make it" pile, but he's nowhere near the standard than Nel is at!
I remember him having them at a standstill. Against big scrummaging sides that is all that is needed and Fagerson is good around the park. Being able to bully teams off the ball in the scrum is good but I am not convinced Nel will be able to do that against Ireland off an injury for an hour. For 20 minutes against Ireland's second LH he might. In a close game, that could prove vital.
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Just realised that Hamish Watson signed a 2 year Edinburgh extension.
As you were...
PS - Who downvoted me??
As you were...
PS - Who downvoted me??
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EWT Spoons wrote:George Carlin wrote:Hopefully Nelly will start against Quins and can hand Marler's tattooed backside back to him.
Marler has fractured his leg, I would imagine he'llmissdo quite well the Edinburgh game.
Fixed that for you
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EST wrote:I think Vern will go for something like this, assuming Nel and Jones are fit.
1. Dell (I think he did well enough in the Ai's to start)
2. Ford (Personally I'd start Brown everyday: you never know when you might actually want to win a lineout)
3. Nel
4. Gray
5. Gray
6. Barclay (Possibly Bluto, but that's only for added physicality Barcs is by far the better footballer-in the rugby nous sense, not in the Wendyball nonsense sense)
7. Watson
8. Wilson
9. Laidlaw (c)
10. Russell
11. Seymour
12. Dunbar
13. Jones (Can't see him being match fit, but I have serious doubts about Matt Scott's defence, so start Taylor with to bench)
14. Maitland
15. Hogg
16. Reid
17. Brown
18. Fagerson
19. Gilchrist
20. Bradbury
21. Price
22. Taylor
23. Visser
The main area of concern is the backrow. Wilson starts, but you will never hear me say he is international class, and Barclay, despite being a good player, gives away physicality against the best 6's in the business.
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oh dear. Jimbo has been trying to use the quote function again
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George Carlin wrote:Just realised that Hamish Watson signed a 2 year Edinburgh extension.
As you were...
PS - Who downvoted me??
One of them might be me. When the functionality first appeared I tested it to see what happens, and I just so happened to use one of your posts, and chose to dislike it. All completely random I assure you....
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tigertattie wrote:oh dear. Jimbo has been trying to use the quote function again
I think it's sweet. It reminds me of watching my grandmother trying to send a text message.
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funnyExiledScot wrote:tigertattie wrote:oh dear. Jimbo has been trying to use the quote function again
I think it's sweet. It reminds me of watching my grandmother trying to send a text message.
One day he will get it right, only to be confused by different fonts...
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One day he will get it right, only to be confused by different fonts...
I mean really. How can you mess up doing a quote? It's almost as bad as not good grammar and peeple who can't spell property!
funnyExiledScot wrote:tigertattie wrote:oh dear. Jimbo has been trying to use the quote function again
I think it's sweet. It reminds me of watching my grandmother trying to send a text message.
One day he will get it right, only to be confused by different fonts...
I mean really. How can you mess up doing a quote? It's almost as bad as not good grammar and peeple who can't spell property!
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Al Dickinson ruled out of the 6N opener, which in my mind rules him out of the first 2 games at least as we can't throw him straight back in with no prior gametime. Hopefully he'll return for Edinburgh's game in the 6N break week.
Apparently it is a new injury - he injured his foot against Glasgow.
Apparently it is a new injury - he injured his foot against Glasgow.
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RDW_Scotland wrote:Al Dickinson ruled out of the 6N opener, which in my mind rules him out of the first 2 games at least as we can't throw him straight back in with no prior gametime. Hopefully he'll return for Edinburgh's game in the 6N break week.
Apparently it is a new injury - he injured his foot against Glasgow.
damn those unwashed ruffians!
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Dickinson being injured is not the worst thing in the world. He is not getting any younger and this will allow the next generation, Allen,Dell and Sutherland if he is over his injury to step up. If they play the way they did in the Autumn, he may struggle to get back in.
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WP Nel returns for Edinburgh.
No sign of Duncan Taylor in the Sarries squad.
No sign of Duncan Taylor in the Sarries squad.
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So with Nel back and Bennett kinda falling off the pedestal of late, is Nel the new
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tigertattie wrote:So with Nel back and Bennett kinda falling off the pedestal of late, is Nel the new
Not really, the name was assigned to Bennett very early on before he really broke through properly - mainly because he was from Ayr!
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No sign of Duncan Taylor in the Sarries squad.
He is probably not in the euro squad as he was injured from the start of the season. Does not look like he will get a lot of game time prior to the start of the 6N.
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Glad Nel's back, hopefully he's fit and is quickly back in to his typical game. In many ways he could be our crucial player this 6Ns, even more so than Russell. I'll be watching Bath v Bristol on BT this evening, unfortunately Hastings isn't in the Bath squad but Mitch Eadie starts at 8 for Bristol so a good chance to see what he could add to the back-row selection mix.
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Taylor did play 20 minutes against Exeter. Bosch came on for the injured 13 (can't remember who it was) after 20 minutes. He was taken off in a tactical sub for Taylor at the hour mark. Fair to say Taylor is still getting back into the groove that they could not trust him to play an hour.
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