Edinburgh and Glasgow: Ongoing Banter Thread XIV (It's still personal)

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1872 Cup - Past Results (click to show/hide):

2007–08
28 December 2007, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 35–31 Glasgow Warriors
11 April 2008, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 23–14 Edinburgh
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 54–49

2008–09
26 December 2008, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 39–6 Glasgow Warriors
2 January 2009, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 25–20 Edinburgh
Winner: Edinburgh 59–31

2009–10
27 December 2009, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 25–12 Edinburgh
2 January 2010, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 15–22 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 47–27

2010–11
27 December 2010, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 30–18 Edinburgh
2 January 2011, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 28–17 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 47–46

2011–12
26 December 2011, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 23–23 Glasgow Warriors
1 January 2012, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 17–12 Edinburgh
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 40–35

2012–13
21 December 2012, Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 23–14 Edinburgh
29 December 2012, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 17–21 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 44–31

2013–14
26 December 2013, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 16–20 Glasgow Warriors
26 April 2014, Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 37–34 Edinburgh (postponed from 1st Jan due to waterlogged pitch)
Winner: Glasgow 57–50

2014–15
27 December 2014, Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 16–6 Edinburgh
2 January 2015, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 20–8 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Edinburgh 26–24

2015–16
27 December 2015, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 23–11 Glasgow Warriors
2 January 2016, Murrayfield Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 11–14 Edinburgh (moved from Scotstoun due to waterlogged pitch)
Winner: Edinburgh 37–22

Winners tally
Glasgow Warriors - 6
Edinburgh - 3

Some tidying up could be required as I'm no a PC wizz!

PS - Any player from Ayr is not necessarily "World class"

by alexgmacdonald Sat 31 Dec 2016, 4:37 pm

Felt sorry for the referee as he was dumped in at the last minute however he was SHOCKINGLY BAD.

by Nematode Sat 31 Dec 2016, 5:00 pm

That was a bit underwhelming...

It seemed like Glasgow were forcing it on too many occasions. There was an offload by Brian ... (the giant) to the last player outside him around the 50m line when he should have just kept the ball. Then there was that Murchie moment picard

, the MacArthur overthrow, the MacArthur squint throw... Add to that Pyrgos having a nightmare of a game by his standards and Glasgow just had no consistency.

What worries me is that the team will be further depleted around the 6N. If this team can only just beat Treviso, what will happen when a worse Glasgow team faces, say, a Scarlets or a Connacht side? The top 4 is a must, but if they were to lose out on the top 6 (a possibility), it would be a disaster.

On the ref, I didn't think he was nearly as bad as some are suggesting - I thought he was actually quite good. There were about 3/4 high tackles by Glasgow in their 22 that other refs might have given a (harsh) yellow for, but he didn't. The scrums weren't terrible and it was a fairly free flowing game. Given he is fairly inexperienced at this level, I thought he was better than some more experienced (and increasingly attention-seeking) refs that we are used to seeing...

It is good to see an Italian team actually playing some decent, competitive rugby. Before the game I thought there lineup actually looked quite impressive - I wonder if Edinburgh would have beaten this Treviso side? Their backline looks good with a speedy back three, and Morisi seems a good player. If they can just cut out some silly errors and make some better decisions (and maybe get a little more funding from Zebre if they disappear), they could surely rise up the table above Dragons and maybe Edinburgh.

by Nematode Mon 02 Jan 2017, 2:32 pm

Just heard the news about Cockerill leaving Leicester.

Would he be a good option for Edinburgh? There is a lot of under-performing talent in the pack (Du Preez and Gilchrist come to mind and Ben Toolis hasn't been at his best) that I reckon could benefit from a coach like Cockerill. If Hodge could have more control over the backs could it be quite effective?

by **RDW** Mon 02 Jan 2017, 4:18 pm

Stuart Lancaster has been rumored as well.

You'd hope the SRU would already have their man and aren't relying on another head coach getting sacked! Especially given the caliber of coach they've brought in for Glasgow.

by funnyExiledScot Tue 03 Jan 2017, 9:24 am

Happy New Year to you all!

I'd love Cockerill at Edinburgh. He'd be a good fit. Lancaster would also be very handy, however I suspect he'd be too ambitious for it.

Duncan Hodge just isn't up to it.

by Welly Tue 03 Jan 2017, 9:40 am

Can't see Cockerill going to the pro 12 really although can't see him going to another AP club either.

Maybe he might fancy taking a forwards role at a biggish club and for a bit without the pressure of managerial stuff then look to move for a DOR after that.

by **RDW** Tue 03 Jan 2017, 9:42 am

I've never understood the difference between DoR and Head Coach - Aaron Mauger was Head Coach and Cockerill was DoR. Cockerill was the one that got sacked and Mauger kept his job!

by Welly Tue 03 Jan 2017, 9:47 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:I've never understood the difference between DoR and Head Coach - Aaron Mauger was Head Coach and Cockerill was DoR. Cockerill was the one that got sacked and Mauger kept his job!

DOR is above Head Coach.

by TheMildlyFranticLlama Tue 03 Jan 2017, 9:47 am

I think an angry Richard Cockerill with a serious point to prove could only be a good thing for Edinburgh. He'd need a good backs coach alongside him though, and I'm not sure Hodge is that.

by **RDW** Tue 03 Jan 2017, 9:50 am

Welly wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:I've never understood the difference between DoR and Head Coach - Aaron Mauger was Head Coach and Cockerill was DoR. Cockerill was the one that got sacked and Mauger kept his job!

DOR is above Head Coach.

Yeah but what do they actually do?

For Edinburgh and Glasgow is the SRU essentially the 'DoR' and Townsend and Hodge the Head Coaches?

by Welly Tue 03 Jan 2017, 10:11 am

Yeh I guess so.

A lot of it comes down to the individuals I guess.

by funnyExiledScot Tue 03 Jan 2017, 10:40 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:
Welly wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:I've never understood the difference between DoR and Head Coach - Aaron Mauger was Head Coach and Cockerill was DoR. Cockerill was the one that got sacked and Mauger kept his job!

DOR is above Head Coach.

Yeah but what do they actually do?

For Edinburgh and Glasgow is the SRU essentially the 'DoR' and Townsend and Hodge the Head Coaches?

Isn't Scott Johnson our "DoR"? Let's hope the role doesn't extend past cutting ribbons at school gym openings.

I've been banging this drum for years, and I'll keep banging it. Steve Meehan, currently an assistant at Toulon, is an extremely innovative backs coach. His teams invariably play attractive and clever rugby. We should pull out the stops to get him - we can call him King President High Heid Yin of Scottish Rugby for all I care, as long as he leads the backline coaching sessions in a track suit. I'd get him in charge with the existing forwards coaches (unless he feels strongly about replacing them), and demote Hodge to Scotland A/Development duties, or perhaps Assistant Director of Rugby.

by **RDW** Tue 03 Jan 2017, 10:43 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:
Welly wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:I've never understood the difference between DoR and Head Coach - Aaron Mauger was Head Coach and Cockerill was DoR. Cockerill was the one that got sacked and Mauger kept his job!

DOR is above Head Coach.

Yeah but what do they actually do?

For Edinburgh and Glasgow is the SRU essentially the 'DoR' and Townsend and Hodge the Head Coaches?

Isn't Scott Johnson our "DoR"? Let's hope the role doesn't extend past cutting ribbons at school gym openings.

I've been banging this drum for years, and I'll keep banging it. Steve Meehan, currently an assistant at Toulon, is an extremely innovative backs coach. His teams invariably play attractive and clever rugby. We should pull out the stops to get him - we can call him King President High Heid Yin of Scottish Rugby for all I care, as long as he leads the backline coaching sessions in a track suit. I'd get him in charge with the existing forwards coaches (unless he feels strongly about replacing them), and demote Hodge to Scotland A/Development duties, or perhaps Assistant Director of Rugby.

That's the first time I've heard mention of him!

Are you really claiming that Toulon are renowned for attractive and clever rugby??

by IanBru Tue 03 Jan 2017, 10:50 am

Happy New Year everyone!

funnyExiledScot wrote:
Isn't Scott Johnson our "DoR"? Let's hope the role doesn't extend past cutting ribbons at school gym openings.

This could be useful. If either Glasgow or Edinburgh fail to make the playoffs, using the Leicester model it really is the Director of Rugby who should carry the can. Let's boot Scott Johnson and get in Lancaster as SRU Director of Rugby - at least the players will be high on 'culture' and 'mindset', and the futures market for inspirational slogan signage will be buoyant.

by funnyExiledScot Tue 03 Jan 2017, 10:54 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:
Welly wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:I've never understood the difference between DoR and Head Coach - Aaron Mauger was Head Coach and Cockerill was DoR. Cockerill was the one that got sacked and Mauger kept his job!

DOR is above Head Coach.

Yeah but what do they actually do?

For Edinburgh and Glasgow is the SRU essentially the 'DoR' and Townsend and Hodge the Head Coaches?

Isn't Scott Johnson our "DoR"? Let's hope the role doesn't extend past cutting ribbons at school gym openings.

I've been banging this drum for years, and I'll keep banging it. Steve Meehan, currently an assistant at Toulon, is an extremely innovative backs coach. His teams invariably play attractive and clever rugby. We should pull out the stops to get him - we can call him King President High Heid Yin of Scottish Rugby for all I care, as long as he leads the backline coaching sessions in a track suit. I'd get him in charge with the existing forwards coaches (unless he feels strongly about replacing them), and demote Hodge to Scotland A/Development duties, or perhaps Assistant Director of Rugby.

That's the first time I've heard mention of him!

Are you really claiming that Toulon are renowned for attractive and clever rugby??

I was referring to his previous work with Stade Francais (under Nick Mallett) and at Bath. He was also highly thought of at Queensland.

He's a specialist attack coach with oodles of experience, and we sorely need one of those.

by funnyExiledScot Tue 03 Jan 2017, 10:55 am

IanBru wrote:Happy New Year everyone!

funnyExiledScot wrote:
Isn't Scott Johnson our "DoR"? Let's hope the role doesn't extend past cutting ribbons at school gym openings.
This could be useful. If either Glasgow or Edinburgh fail to make the playoffs, using the Leicester model it really is the Director of Rugby who should carry the can. Let's boot Scott Johnson and get in Lancaster as SRU Director of Rugby - at least the players will be high on 'culture' and 'mindset', and the futures market for inspirational slogan signage will be buoyant.

I have a better plan. We should sack the DoR if either Glasgow or Edinburgh fail to win the 1872.

by **RDW** Tue 03 Jan 2017, 10:56 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:
Welly wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:I've never understood the difference between DoR and Head Coach - Aaron Mauger was Head Coach and Cockerill was DoR. Cockerill was the one that got sacked and Mauger kept his job!

DOR is above Head Coach.

Yeah but what do they actually do?

For Edinburgh and Glasgow is the SRU essentially the 'DoR' and Townsend and Hodge the Head Coaches?

Isn't Scott Johnson our "DoR"? Let's hope the role doesn't extend past cutting ribbons at school gym openings.

I've been banging this drum for years, and I'll keep banging it. Steve Meehan, currently an assistant at Toulon, is an extremely innovative backs coach. His teams invariably play attractive and clever rugby. We should pull out the stops to get him - we can call him King President High Heid Yin of Scottish Rugby for all I care, as long as he leads the backline coaching sessions in a track suit. I'd get him in charge with the existing forwards coaches (unless he feels strongly about replacing them), and demote Hodge to Scotland A/Development duties, or perhaps Assistant Director of Rugby.

That's the first time I've heard mention of him!

Are you really claiming that Toulon are renowned for attractive and clever rugby??

I was referring to his previous work with Stade Francais (under Nick Mallett) and at Bath. He was also highly thought of at Queensland.

He's a specialist attack coach with oodles of experience, and we sorely need one of those.

We already have a few attack coaches on the SRU's books to be fair - I'm not sure there's room for another one!

by funnyExiledScot Tue 03 Jan 2017, 11:00 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:
Welly wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:I've never understood the difference between DoR and Head Coach - Aaron Mauger was Head Coach and Cockerill was DoR. Cockerill was the one that got sacked and Mauger kept his job!

DOR is above Head Coach.

Yeah but what do they actually do?

For Edinburgh and Glasgow is the SRU essentially the 'DoR' and Townsend and Hodge the Head Coaches?

Isn't Scott Johnson our "DoR"? Let's hope the role doesn't extend past cutting ribbons at school gym openings.

I've been banging this drum for years, and I'll keep banging it. Steve Meehan, currently an assistant at Toulon, is an extremely innovative backs coach. His teams invariably play attractive and clever rugby. We should pull out the stops to get him - we can call him King President High Heid Yin of Scottish Rugby for all I care, as long as he leads the backline coaching sessions in a track suit. I'd get him in charge with the existing forwards coaches (unless he feels strongly about replacing them), and demote Hodge to Scotland A/Development duties, or perhaps Assistant Director of Rugby.

That's the first time I've heard mention of him!

Are you really claiming that Toulon are renowned for attractive and clever rugby??

I was referring to his previous work with Stade Francais (under Nick Mallett) and at Bath. He was also highly thought of at Queensland.

He's a specialist attack coach with oodles of experience, and we sorely need one of those.

We already have a few attack coaches on the SRU's books to be fair - I'm not sure there's room for another one!

Well whoever is responsible for the Edinburgh attack can be sacked to make room. I'm not an employment lawyer, but I'm pretty sure you can sack someone for failing to achieve any objectives, and generally being terrible at their job.

by IanBru Tue 03 Jan 2017, 11:14 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:
IanBru wrote:Happy New Year everyone!

funnyExiledScot wrote:
Isn't Scott Johnson our "DoR"? Let's hope the role doesn't extend past cutting ribbons at school gym openings.
This could be useful. If either Glasgow or Edinburgh fail to make the playoffs, using the Leicester model it really is the Director of Rugby who should carry the can. Let's boot Scott Johnson and get in Lancaster as SRU Director of Rugby - at least the players will be high on 'culture' and 'mindset', and the futures market for inspirational slogan signage will be buoyant.

I have a better plan. We should sack the DoR if either Glasgow or Edinburgh fail to win the 1872.

That reminds me of the old criteria for selecting which Scottish club sides would qualify for the Heineken Cup - if I recall, the team which won the 1872 Cup would qualify, and then the next-best performing team in the Celtic League... Whistle

by funnyExiledScot Tue 03 Jan 2017, 11:18 am

IanBru wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
IanBru wrote:Happy New Year everyone!

funnyExiledScot wrote:
Isn't Scott Johnson our "DoR"? Let's hope the role doesn't extend past cutting ribbons at school gym openings.
This could be useful. If either Glasgow or Edinburgh fail to make the playoffs, using the Leicester model it really is the Director of Rugby who should carry the can. Let's boot Scott Johnson and get in Lancaster as SRU Director of Rugby - at least the players will be high on 'culture' and 'mindset', and the futures market for inspirational slogan signage will be buoyant.

I have a better plan. We should sack the DoR if either Glasgow or Edinburgh fail to win the 1872.
That reminds me of the old criteria for selecting which Scottish club sides would qualify for the Heineken Cup - if I recall, the team which won the 1872 Cup would qualify, and then the next-best performing team in the Celtic League...

I always felt sorry for the Borders under that regime....

by funnyExiledScot Tue 03 Jan 2017, 11:21 am

I actually miss the Border Reivers. In those days Edinburgh were half decent, and it was a contest between Borders and Glasgow for the Scottish Rugby Wet Blanket Award.

by True Raven Tue 03 Jan 2017, 12:28 pm

Is there any reason why the week 13 game between Edinburgh and Munster is being played the 3rd February instead of this weekend like the other pro12 week 13 fixtures?

by **RDW** Tue 03 Jan 2017, 12:31 pm

I suspect it is because Munster have had to reschedule their games due to the Racing game being cancelled.

That game is being played this weekend I think.

by True Raven Tue 03 Jan 2017, 12:34 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:I suspect it is because Munster have had to reschedule their games due to the Racing game being cancelled.

That game is being played this weekend I think.

by Nematode Tue 03 Jan 2017, 3:59 pm

I've been away for a while so this may have been discussed, but did anyone else see this article:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/14989392.Edinburgh__39_s_move_to_Myreside_could_be_a_hard_sell/?ref=rl&lp=5

The Herald wrote: "Speaking of that perception, prejudices about the nature of the sport can only have been strengthened by a little pre-match incident at Murrayfield on Boxing Day. The PA announcer was out on the pitch asking kids what they got for Christmas. A Nerf gun, said one. A quad bike, said another. A horse, said a third."

by jimbopip Tue 03 Jan 2017, 4:42 pm

Nematode wrote:I've been away for a while so this may have been discussed, but did anyone else see this article:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/14989392.Edinburgh__39_s_move_to_Myreside_could_be_a_hard_sell/?ref=rl&lp=5

The Herald wrote: "Speaking of that perception, prejudices about the nature of the sport can only have been strengthened by a little pre-match incident at Murrayfield on Boxing Day. The PA announcer was out on the pitch asking kids what they got for Christmas. A Nerf gun, said one. A quad bike, said another. A horse, said a third."

The quad bike would have been a good idea, they could have pursued the horse over all kinds of terrain then. Mind you they would have been shooting it for hours with the Nerf gun before it finally gave up the ghost. But you have to ask; just how many people had they invited for Chrimbo if they had to deep fry Shergar?

On a rugby note: Sila Pufisi will be keeping Bane company in Brive next season.

by TheMildlyFranticLlama Tue 03 Jan 2017, 6:07 pm

Nematode wrote:I've been away for a while so this may have been discussed, but did anyone else see this article:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/14989392.Edinburgh__39_s_move_to_Myreside_could_be_a_hard_sell/?ref=rl&lp=5

The Herald wrote: "Speaking of that perception, prejudices about the nature of the sport can only have been strengthened by a little pre-match incident at Murrayfield on Boxing Day. The PA announcer was out on the pitch asking kids what they got for Christmas. A Nerf gun, said one. A quad bike, said another. A horse, said a third."

I'm surprised, I'd have thought baby FES was still too young for its first horse?

by 123456789 Wed 04 Jan 2017, 12:08 am

If the SRU cleared the deadwood out from Edinburgh in terms of underperforming players and combined it with the existing coaching budget and pumped a wee bit more money in as well. The coaching ticket of Stuart Lancaster as DOR and Cockerill as head/ forwards coach and an effective backs coach could turn them into something fairly fearsome. Either that or Stuart Lancaster's arguably cheesy emphasis on culture and Cockerill's angry outlook could cause an implosion that would frighten the Edinburgh players into performing.

by **RDW** Wed 04 Jan 2017, 9:11 am

Nematode wrote:I've been away for a while so this may have been discussed, but did anyone else see this article:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/14989392.Edinburgh__39_s_move_to_Myreside_could_be_a_hard_sell/?ref=rl&lp=5

The Herald wrote: "Speaking of that perception, prejudices about the nature of the sport can only have been strengthened by a little pre-match incident at Murrayfield on Boxing Day. The PA announcer was out on the pitch asking kids what they got for Christmas. A Nerf gun, said one. A quad bike, said another. A horse, said a third."

The whole 'rugby is a posh man's sport' claim is getting a bit old and cliched - and this article isn't helping that. I don't know exactly how many adult rugby teams there are in Edinburgh and surrounding areas but I'd hazard a guess at around 20-25. Of those only around 1/4 are private school FP clubs, so the majority of adult rugby players in Edinburgh will be state school educated. I've played rugby for a number of years and I play against private school FP clubs significantly less than state school.

I went to a state school and I really couldn't give a crap that Edinburgh are moving to a private school ground. It would be the distance and lack of travel options that would put me off (if I still lived in Edinburgh)

Now this is obviously making an assumption that there is a link between those who play rugby and those who would be willing to watch Edinburgh but I think it is a reasonable yardstick to choose.

Basically I think it is an old stereotype and it really doesn't help things to constantly bring it up!

by nickj Wed 04 Jan 2017, 9:52 am

http://www.planetrugby.com/news/grant-joins-brive-with-immediate-effect/

Ryan Grant joins Brive with immediate effect and Sila Puafisi set to join him / them next season too Shocked

by R!skysports Wed 04 Jan 2017, 10:19 am

nickj wrote:http://www.planetrugby.com/news/grant-joins-brive-with-immediate-effect/

Ryan Grant joins Brive with immediate effect and Sila Puafisi set to join him / them next season too

Think Grant moving is a good idea. He has been a shadow of his former self and not getting much game time. Hopefully he will get a run of games and maybe a new setting will bring him back to life

by **RDW** Wed 04 Jan 2017, 10:20 am

Grant no big deal given how much he's on compared to how much he's contributing, although it might leave Glasgow a little short on resources.

Puafisi is a big blow given that he's turned out to be a decent tighthead. Both Edinburgh and Glasgow haven't had great success with signing tightheads lately so it may leave Glasgow struggling next season if they can't bring in someone decent.

by nickj Wed 04 Jan 2017, 10:24 am

Agreed Grant has been a dead weight for too long and has been overtaken by Shrek and Allan, but Puafisi has played an incredible amount of games. He has been a top signing given it looked like a knee jerk reaction to the De Klerk exit. Who's Fagerson's back up now? Firth? Rae? What side does Djustice play?

by IanBru Wed 04 Jan 2017, 10:30 am

I think Djustice League of Canada plays on the loosehead side.

It's a really tough call for Grant - I was so bloody pleased for him getting his Lions call-up, as he was consistently working hard and putting in some colossal performances. However, he is a pale shadow of his former self, and I can't help feeling worried when he comes off the bench.

I really hope for him that this change of scenery can rejuvenate a potentially very good player.

by **RDW** Wed 04 Jan 2017, 10:32 am

IanBru wrote:I think Djustice League of Canada

by funnyExiledScot Wed 04 Jan 2017, 10:47 am

TheMildlyFranticLlama wrote:
Nematode wrote:I've been away for a while so this may have been discussed, but did anyone else see this article:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/14989392.Edinburgh__39_s_move_to_Myreside_could_be_a_hard_sell/?ref=rl&lp=5

The Herald wrote: "Speaking of that perception, prejudices about the nature of the sport can only have been strengthened by a little pre-match incident at Murrayfield on Boxing Day. The PA announcer was out on the pitch asking kids what they got for Christmas. A Nerf gun, said one. A quad bike, said another. A horse, said a third."

I'm surprised, I'd have thought baby FES was still too young for its first horse?

Baby fES is a "she", just to be clear!

I despise horses and the whole "horsey set". They are second only to golfers.

by funnyExiledScot Wed 04 Jan 2017, 10:53 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:
IanBru wrote:I think Djustice League of Canada

I had to Google the reference....

Agreed on Grant. Hope it rejuvenates his career. I don't know whether it was the Lions that ruined him (as the anti-Gatland crowd will have you believe), changes to the scrummaging laws (quite a few props struggled with the new laws) or whether he just hit a purple patch of form which he's never regained (like a souped-up version of Duncan Weir vs England Saxons). Who knows.

He is, of course, one of the few players to have appeared for Border Reivers, Edinburgh Rugby and Glasgow Warriors. Good pub quiz knowledge.

by Tattie Scones RRN Wed 04 Jan 2017, 10:58 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:
TheMildlyFranticLlama wrote:
Nematode wrote:I've been away for a while so this may have been discussed, but did anyone else see this article:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/14989392.Edinburgh__39_s_move_to_Myreside_could_be_a_hard_sell/?ref=rl&lp=5

The Herald wrote: "Speaking of that perception, prejudices about the nature of the sport can only have been strengthened by a little pre-match incident at Murrayfield on Boxing Day. The PA announcer was out on the pitch asking kids what they got for Christmas. A Nerf gun, said one. A quad bike, said another. A horse, said a third."

I'm surprised, I'd have thought baby FES was still too young for its first horse?

Baby fES is a "she", just to be clear!

I despise horses and the whole "horsey set". They are second only to golfers.

This surprises me considering you're from the Moray coast.....

Golf for me, is a great way to get away from the kids for 5 hours.

by Nematode Wed 04 Jan 2017, 11:12 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:
Nematode wrote:I've been away for a while so this may have been discussed, but did anyone else see this article:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/14989392.Edinburgh__39_s_move_to_Myreside_could_be_a_hard_sell/?ref=rl&lp=5

The Herald wrote: "Speaking of that perception, prejudices about the nature of the sport can only have been strengthened by a little pre-match incident at Murrayfield on Boxing Day. The PA announcer was out on the pitch asking kids what they got for Christmas. A Nerf gun, said one. A quad bike, said another. A horse, said a third."

The whole 'rugby is a posh man's sport' claim is getting a bit old and cliched - and this article isn't helping that. I don't know exactly how many adult rugby teams there are in Edinburgh and surrounding areas but I'd hazard a guess at around 20-25. Of those only around 1/4 are private school FP clubs, so the majority of adult rugby players in Edinburgh will be state school educated. I've played rugby for a number of years and I play against private school FP clubs significantly less than state school.

I went to a state school and I really couldn't give a crap that Edinburgh are moving to a private school ground. It would be the distance and lack of travel options that would put me off (if I still lived in Edinburgh)

Now this is obviously making an assumption that there is a link between those who play rugby and those who would be willing to watch Edinburgh but I think it is a reasonable yardstick to choose.

Basically I think it is an old stereotype and it really doesn't help things to constantly bring it up!

When I saw this article I thought it was just the journalists (as usual) making up nonsense to fill some space on the website (like the Iain 'Mystic' Morrison article). I don't think moving to Myreside is going to do anything to worsen/enhance the image of rugby as an 'elitist' sport - it should improve the atmosphere of Edinburgh games and hopefully draw in some bigger crowds.

That being said, it did make me think. When watching the highlights of the U16 and U18 schools finals during halftime, I noticed all 4 teams were private schools (St Aloysius' College, Strathallan, SM and Dollar Academy). Whether or not this is the norm or unusual, I don't know, but it did make me wonder whether the SRU is doing enough to promote rugby in all schools, beyond an Edinburgh/Glasgow player turning up to a school every now and then?

by jimbopip Wed 04 Jan 2017, 11:16 am

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:[
Golf for me, is a great way to get away from the kids for 5 hours.

Actually this Forum does that job for me. Especially during the teaching day.

by **RDW** Wed 04 Jan 2017, 11:16 am

Nematode wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:
Nematode wrote:I've been away for a while so this may have been discussed, but did anyone else see this article:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/14989392.Edinburgh__39_s_move_to_Myreside_could_be_a_hard_sell/?ref=rl&lp=5

The Herald wrote: "Speaking of that perception, prejudices about the nature of the sport can only have been strengthened by a little pre-match incident at Murrayfield on Boxing Day. The PA announcer was out on the pitch asking kids what they got for Christmas. A Nerf gun, said one. A quad bike, said another. A horse, said a third."

The whole 'rugby is a posh man's sport' claim is getting a bit old and cliched - and this article isn't helping that. I don't know exactly how many adult rugby teams there are in Edinburgh and surrounding areas but I'd hazard a guess at around 20-25. Of those only around 1/4 are private school FP clubs, so the majority of adult rugby players in Edinburgh will be state school educated. I've played rugby for a number of years and I play against private school FP clubs significantly less than state school.

I went to a state school and I really couldn't give a crap that Edinburgh are moving to a private school ground. It would be the distance and lack of travel options that would put me off (if I still lived in Edinburgh)

Now this is obviously making an assumption that there is a link between those who play rugby and those who would be willing to watch Edinburgh but I think it is a reasonable yardstick to choose.

Basically I think it is an old stereotype and it really doesn't help things to constantly bring it up!

When I saw this article I thought it was just the journalists (as usual) making up nonsense to fill some space on the website (like the Iain 'Mystic' Morrison article). I don't think moving to Myreside is going to do anything to worsen/enhance the image of rugby as an 'elitist' sport - it should improve the atmosphere of Edinburgh games and hopefully draw in some bigger crowds.

That being said, it did make me think. When watching the highlights of the U16 and U18 schools finals during halftime, I noticed all 4 teams were private schools (St Aloysius' College, Strathallan, SM and Dollar Academy). Whether or not this is the norm or unusual, I don't know, but it did make me wonder whether the SRU is doing enough to promote rugby in all schools, beyond an Edinburgh/Glasgow player turning up to a school every now and then?

Private schools almost exclusively make up the schools cup competition top 4 year in year out. This is because they invest a lot of money into their rugby programme, and even have 'directors of rugby' in some cases (Rob Moffat is at Merchiston I think). They also tend to bring ex-pro players in as teachers and coaches - Stew Mel have Steven Lawrie for example. Rugby is seen as a vanity project for some private schools and is an advertising tool to attract new pupils.

There's no way state schools can compete with this given that teachers have to volunteer to coach the teams and don't get anything for it (and are often completely lacking in support from their schools). Rugby at private schools is also mandatory (or they can do other sports) - at state schools you are relying on kids actually wanting to do it.

by Nematode Wed 04 Jan 2017, 11:19 am

It's a good move for Grant (if he can get some gametime). He's still got a few years left but with Dickinson, Sutherland, Dell and Allan all ahead of him, I can't see him getting picked for Scotland anytime soon.

Hopefully if he impresses he can get a contract with a decent ProD2 or Top14 side (or English side - maybe Bristol?).

by IanBru Wed 04 Jan 2017, 11:27 am

jimbopip wrote:
Tattie Scones RRN wrote:[
Golf for me, is a great way to get away from the kids for 5 hours.

Actually this Forum does that job for me. Especially during the teaching day.

Just think everyone, as Jim types, an Essex schoolboy is setting fire to a car.

by Tattie Scones RRN Wed 04 Jan 2017, 11:32 am

jimbopip wrote:
Tattie Scones RRN wrote:[
Golf for me, is a great way to get away from the kids for 5 hours.

Actually this Forum does that job for me. Especially during the teaching day.

Lol out loud.

by **RDW** Wed 04 Jan 2017, 11:34 am

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:
jimbopip wrote:
Tattie Scones RRN wrote:[
Golf for me, is a great way to get away from the kids for 5 hours.

Actually this Forum does that job for me. Especially during the teaching day.

Lol out loud.

I'm not exactly down with the kids but you probably didn't need to add the 'out loud' unless you wanted to say laugh out loud out loud...

by funnyExiledScot Wed 04 Jan 2017, 11:37 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:
Nematode wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:
Nematode wrote:I've been away for a while so this may have been discussed, but did anyone else see this article:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/14989392.Edinburgh__39_s_move_to_Myreside_could_be_a_hard_sell/?ref=rl&lp=5

The Herald wrote: "Speaking of that perception, prejudices about the nature of the sport can only have been strengthened by a little pre-match incident at Murrayfield on Boxing Day. The PA announcer was out on the pitch asking kids what they got for Christmas. A Nerf gun, said one. A quad bike, said another. A horse, said a third."

The whole 'rugby is a posh man's sport' claim is getting a bit old and cliched - and this article isn't helping that. I don't know exactly how many adult rugby teams there are in Edinburgh and surrounding areas but I'd hazard a guess at around 20-25. Of those only around 1/4 are private school FP clubs, so the majority of adult rugby players in Edinburgh will be state school educated. I've played rugby for a number of years and I play against private school FP clubs significantly less than state school.

I went to a state school and I really couldn't give a crap that Edinburgh are moving to a private school ground. It would be the distance and lack of travel options that would put me off (if I still lived in Edinburgh)

Now this is obviously making an assumption that there is a link between those who play rugby and those who would be willing to watch Edinburgh but I think it is a reasonable yardstick to choose.

Basically I think it is an old stereotype and it really doesn't help things to constantly bring it up!

When I saw this article I thought it was just the journalists (as usual) making up nonsense to fill some space on the website (like the Iain 'Mystic' Morrison article). I don't think moving to Myreside is going to do anything to worsen/enhance the image of rugby as an 'elitist' sport - it should improve the atmosphere of Edinburgh games and hopefully draw in some bigger crowds.

That being said, it did make me think. When watching the highlights of the U16 and U18 schools finals during halftime, I noticed all 4 teams were private schools (St Aloysius' College, Strathallan, SM and Dollar Academy). Whether or not this is the norm or unusual, I don't know, but it did make me wonder whether the SRU is doing enough to promote rugby in all schools, beyond an Edinburgh/Glasgow player turning up to a school every now and then?

Private schools almost exclusively make up the schools cup competition top 4 year in year out. This is because they invest a lot of money into their rugby programme, and even have 'directors of rugby' in some cases (Rob Moffat is at Merchiston I think). They also tend to bring ex-pro players in as teachers and coaches - Stew Mel have Steven Lawrie for example. Rugby is seen as a vanity project for some private schools and is an advertising tool to attract new pupils.

There's no way state schools can compete with this given that teachers have to volunteer to coach the teams and don't get anything for it (and are often completely lacking in support from their schools). Rugby at private schools is also mandatory (or they can do other sports) - at state schools you are relying on kids actually wanting to do it.

We can all relax. As we type the SNP are plotting to remove the charitable status of private schools and many will fold, rightly or wrongly.

by funnyExiledScot Wed 04 Jan 2017, 11:39 am

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
TheMildlyFranticLlama wrote:
Nematode wrote:I've been away for a while so this may have been discussed, but did anyone else see this article:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/14989392.Edinburgh__39_s_move_to_Myreside_could_be_a_hard_sell/?ref=rl&lp=5

The Herald wrote: "Speaking of that perception, prejudices about the nature of the sport can only have been strengthened by a little pre-match incident at Murrayfield on Boxing Day. The PA announcer was out on the pitch asking kids what they got for Christmas. A Nerf gun, said one. A quad bike, said another. A horse, said a third."

I'm surprised, I'd have thought baby FES was still too young for its first horse?

Baby fES is a "she", just to be clear!

I despise horses and the whole "horsey set". They are second only to golfers.

This surprises me considering you're from the Moray coast.....

Golf for me, is a great way to get away from the kids for 5 hours.

I actually lived on the edge of Forres golf course as a child. Used to let my Springer relieve himself on it....

by MacKnocked-on Wed 04 Jan 2017, 11:41 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:
Nematode wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:
Nematode wrote:I've been away for a while so this may have been discussed, but did anyone else see this article:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/14989392.Edinburgh__39_s_move_to_Myreside_could_be_a_hard_sell/?ref=rl&lp=5

The Herald wrote: "Speaking of that perception, prejudices about the nature of the sport can only have been strengthened by a little pre-match incident at Murrayfield on Boxing Day. The PA announcer was out on the pitch asking kids what they got for Christmas. A Nerf gun, said one. A quad bike, said another. A horse, said a third."

The whole 'rugby is a posh man's sport' claim is getting a bit old and cliched - and this article isn't helping that. I don't know exactly how many adult rugby teams there are in Edinburgh and surrounding areas but I'd hazard a guess at around 20-25. Of those only around 1/4 are private school FP clubs, so the majority of adult rugby players in Edinburgh will be state school educated. I've played rugby for a number of years and I play against private school FP clubs significantly less than state school.

I went to a state school and I really couldn't give a crap that Edinburgh are moving to a private school ground. It would be the distance and lack of travel options that would put me off (if I still lived in Edinburgh)

Now this is obviously making an assumption that there is a link between those who play rugby and those who would be willing to watch Edinburgh but I think it is a reasonable yardstick to choose.

Basically I think it is an old stereotype and it really doesn't help things to constantly bring it up!

When I saw this article I thought it was just the journalists (as usual) making up nonsense to fill some space on the website (like the Iain 'Mystic' Morrison article). I don't think moving to Myreside is going to do anything to worsen/enhance the image of rugby as an 'elitist' sport - it should improve the atmosphere of Edinburgh games and hopefully draw in some bigger crowds.

That being said, it did make me think. When watching the highlights of the U16 and U18 schools finals during halftime, I noticed all 4 teams were private schools (St Aloysius' College, Strathallan, SM and Dollar Academy). Whether or not this is the norm or unusual, I don't know, but it did make me wonder whether the SRU is doing enough to promote rugby in all schools, beyond an Edinburgh/Glasgow player turning up to a school every now and then?

Private schools almost exclusively make up the schools cup competition top 4 year in year out. This is because they invest a lot of money into their rugby programme, and even have 'directors of rugby' in some cases (Rob Moffat is at Merchiston I think). They also tend to bring ex-pro players in as teachers and coaches - Stew Mel have Steven Lawrie for example. Rugby is seen as a vanity project for some private schools and is an advertising tool to attract new pupils.

There's no way state schools can compete with this given that teachers have to volunteer to coach the teams and don't get anything for it (and are often completely lacking in support from their schools). Rugby at private schools is also mandatory (or they can do other sports) - at state schools you are relying on kids actually wanting to do it.

Not to mention former Phil (Good)Godman at Dundee High, think he even still plays for the FPs on occasion as well as coaching the pupils.

by funnyExiledScot Wed 04 Jan 2017, 11:42 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:
Tattie Scones RRN wrote:
jimbopip wrote:
Tattie Scones RRN wrote:[
Golf for me, is a great way to get away from the kids for 5 hours.

Actually this Forum does that job for me. Especially during the teaching day.

Lol out loud.

I'm not exactly down with the kids but you probably didn't need to add the 'out loud' unless you wanted to say laugh out loud out loud...

Really?

by **RDW** Wed 04 Jan 2017, 11:43 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:
Tattie Scones RRN wrote:
jimbopip wrote:
Tattie Scones RRN wrote:[
Golf for me, is a great way to get away from the kids for 5 hours.

Actually this Forum does that job for me. Especially during the teaching day.

Lol out loud.

I'm not exactly down with the kids but you probably didn't need to add the 'out loud' unless you wanted to say laugh out loud out loud...

Really?

I will be 30 soon - that's practically near death age.

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