Edinburgh and Glasgow: Ongoing Banter Thread XIV (It's still personal)

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2007–08
28 December 2007, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 35–31 Glasgow Warriors
11 April 2008, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 23–14 Edinburgh
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 54–49

2008–09
26 December 2008, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 39–6 Glasgow Warriors
2 January 2009, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 25–20 Edinburgh
Winner: Edinburgh 59–31

2009–10
27 December 2009, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 25–12 Edinburgh
2 January 2010, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 15–22 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 47–27

2010–11
27 December 2010, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 30–18 Edinburgh
2 January 2011, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 28–17 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 47–46

2011–12
26 December 2011, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 23–23 Glasgow Warriors
1 January 2012, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 17–12 Edinburgh
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 40–35

2012–13
21 December 2012, Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 23–14 Edinburgh
29 December 2012, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 17–21 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 44–31

2013–14
26 December 2013, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 16–20 Glasgow Warriors
26 April 2014, Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 37–34 Edinburgh (postponed from 1st Jan due to waterlogged pitch)
Winner: Glasgow 57–50

2014–15
27 December 2014, Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 16–6 Edinburgh
2 January 2015, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 20–8 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Edinburgh 26–24

2015–16
27 December 2015, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 23–11 Glasgow Warriors
2 January 2016, Murrayfield Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 11–14 Edinburgh (moved from Scotstoun due to waterlogged pitch)
Winner: Edinburgh 37–22

Winners tally
Glasgow Warriors - 6
Edinburgh - 3

Some tidying up could be required as I'm no a PC wizz!

PS - Any player from Ayr is not necessarily "World class"

by tigertattie Wed 18 Jan 2017, 9:24 am

well just goes to show you eh!

I thought he'd retired years ago!

by R!skysports Wed 18 Jan 2017, 10:21 am

I was never a fan of his ability, but he was certainly a committed and passionate player and I wish him all the best

by tigertattie Wed 18 Jan 2017, 10:32 am

he was what? 43 caps and one try?

That's Scotland right there!

Oddly, he was a good player for Edinburgh and when he played, Visser seemed to score more!

by R!skysports Wed 18 Jan 2017, 10:34 am

tigertattie wrote:he was what? 43 caps and one try?

That's Scotland right there!

Oddly, he was a good player for Edinburgh and when he played, Visser seemed to score more!

He was the one that invented tits for hands in our household

by funnyExiledScot Wed 18 Jan 2017, 1:28 pm

Good player for Edinburgh. Distinctly average player for Scotland. A Scottish rugby equivalent of Mark Ramprakash.

I also think he would have fared better under the current regime, outside players like Russell and Dunbar. Let's not forget that his fly half for Scotland was Dan Parks, and his inside centre Graham Morrison. I'm not sure Brian O'Driscoll would have looked good in that side.

by nickj Wed 18 Jan 2017, 3:21 pm

Spotted this on Muppet http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/bath-rugby-aware-of-glasgow-warriors-interest-but-want-to-keep-adam-hastings/story-30065396-detail/story.html

by **RDW** Wed 18 Jan 2017, 3:30 pm

nickj wrote:Spotted this on Muppet http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/bath-rugby-aware-of-glasgow-warriors-interest-but-want-to-keep-adam-hastings/story-30065396-detail/story.html

I can see why Bath want to keep him - they have spent time and money developing him and is likely to still be classed as EQ for a few more years yet, helping their quotas.

He is their 3rd choice 10 (potentially 2nd choice if Ford leaves, although surely Bath would replace him) and they may struggle to find a suitable quality replacement for the same kind salary.

On the EQ/SQ point - I'm assuming there are no A-team games this 6N? That would be a real shame as I think our players get a lot out of it, and we could quickly get him tied to Scotland if there was... Whistle

by nickj Wed 18 Jan 2017, 3:48 pm

Surely no son of Big Gav would play for anyone but Scotland? He's said as much too.

Agreed on the benefits of A games though. Many of the current team came from the A's

by **BigGee** Wed 18 Jan 2017, 3:57 pm

Much as Bath would like to keep him, they are not going to be able to offer him any meaningful game time and if he wants to progress his career, then he really needs to move.

They speak very highly of him and it says a lot that they would even go into print to try and hang onto an academy player not even on a full contract yet. The article does kind of hint that he may well be moving though, suggesting that they know that they can't keep everyone.

by **RDW** Wed 18 Jan 2017, 4:31 pm

nickj wrote:Surely no son of Big Gav would play for anyone but Scotland? He's said as much too.

Agreed on the benefits of A games though. Many of the current team came from the A's

I don't think he would either but until he is capped by Scotland A or Scotland he can be classed as EQ by Bath!

Taking a stab at an A-team 23 making assumptions on who would be playing for Scotland:

1 Alex Allan
2 Neil Cochrane (C)
3 Simon Berghan
5 Fraser McKenzie
5 Ben Toolis
6 Rob Harley
7 Jamie Ritchie
8 Magnus Bradbury

9 SHC
10 Rauridh Jackson
11 Tom Brown
12 Chris Dean
13 Mark Bennett
14 Damien Hoyland
15 Blair Kinghorn

Subs - Cosgrove, McArthur, Rae, Carmichael, Fusaro, Kennedy, Hastings, Jones

That is quite a handy team and a lot of players would benefit from playing against another 6N A team.

by demosthenes Wed 18 Jan 2017, 4:57 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
nickj wrote:Spotted this on Muppet http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/bath-rugby-aware-of-glasgow-warriors-interest-but-want-to-keep-adam-hastings/story-30065396-detail/story.html

I can see why Bath want to keep him - they have spent time and money developing him and is likely to still be classed as EQ for a few more years yet, helping their quotas.

He is their 3rd choice 10 (potentially 2nd choice if Ford leaves, although surely Bath would replace him) and they may struggle to find a suitable quality replacement for the same kind salary.

On the EQ/SQ point - I'm assuming there are no A-team games this 6N? That would be a real shame as I think our players get a lot out of it, and we could quickly get him tied to Scotland if there was...

Just out of interest, how does he qualify as EQ? He was born in Scotland, his father is Scottish (no idea about mother or grandparents, though), and as I understand the IRB regs living away from home as a student doesn't qualify as residency?

by funnyExiledScot Wed 18 Jan 2017, 4:57 pm

We'd be able to do better than Chris Dean at 12. Surely one of Matt Scott or Duncan Taylor could slot in there.

by **RDW** Wed 18 Jan 2017, 5:00 pm

demosthenes wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:
nickj wrote:Spotted this on Muppet http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/bath-rugby-aware-of-glasgow-warriors-interest-but-want-to-keep-adam-hastings/story-30065396-detail/story.html

I can see why Bath want to keep him - they have spent time and money developing him and is likely to still be classed as EQ for a few more years yet, helping their quotas.

He is their 3rd choice 10 (potentially 2nd choice if Ford leaves, although surely Bath would replace him) and they may struggle to find a suitable quality replacement for the same kind salary.

On the EQ/SQ point - I'm assuming there are no A-team games this 6N? That would be a real shame as I think our players get a lot out of it, and we could quickly get him tied to Scotland if there was...

Just out of interest, how does he qualify as EQ? He was born in Scotland, his father is Scottish (no idea about mother or grandparents, though), and as I understand the IRB regs living away from home as a student doesn't qualify as residency?

I don't actually know - there are several interviews with him saying he is EQ but I can't find one that says why!

by nickj Wed 18 Jan 2017, 5:17 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
nickj wrote:Surely no son of Big Gav would play for anyone but Scotland? He's said as much too.

Agreed on the benefits of A games though. Many of the current team came from the A's

I don't think he would either but until he is capped by Scotland A or Scotland he can be classed as EQ by Bath!

Taking a stab at an A-team 23 making assumptions on who would be playing for Scotland:

1 Alex Allan
2 Neil Cochrane (C)
3 Simon Berghan
5 Fraser McKenzie
5 Ben Toolis
6 Rob Harley
7 Jamie Ritchie
8 Magnus Bradbury

9 SHC
10 Rauridh Jackson
11 Tom Brown
12 Chris Dean
13 Mark Bennett
14 Damien Hoyland
15 Blair Kinghorn

Subs - Cosgrove, McArthur, Rae, Carmichael, Fusaro, Kennedy, Hastings, Jones

That is quite a handy team and a lot of players would benefit from playing against another 6N A team.

Surely reinstating the A's will be on Gregor's to do list. Its an easy win and as you show, we've got plenty of young talent, who would benefit from the standard of rugby involved as well as developing as a unit.

by **George Carlin** Wed 18 Jan 2017, 5:28 pm

De Luca makes all of us stop, think and contemplate:

Even though I was completely useless at rugby at school - if I'd just persevered beyond all rational evidence to the contrary, I would also have got 43 Scotland caps and accidentally scored a try.

by **BigGee** Wed 18 Jan 2017, 6:15 pm

demosthenes wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:
nickj wrote:Spotted this on Muppet http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/bath-rugby-aware-of-glasgow-warriors-interest-but-want-to-keep-adam-hastings/story-30065396-detail/story.html

I can see why Bath want to keep him - they have spent time and money developing him and is likely to still be classed as EQ for a few more years yet, helping their quotas.

He is their 3rd choice 10 (potentially 2nd choice if Ford leaves, although surely Bath would replace him) and they may struggle to find a suitable quality replacement for the same kind salary.

On the EQ/SQ point - I'm assuming there are no A-team games this 6N? That would be a real shame as I think our players get a lot out of it, and we could quickly get him tied to Scotland if there was...

Just out of interest, how does he qualify as EQ? He was born in Scotland, his father is Scottish (no idea about mother or grandparents, though), and as I understand the IRB regs living away from home as a student doesn't qualify as residency?

3 years playing in England, went to school there when he was 16, very simple.

Having said that, hell is more likely to freeze over than it happening. It is good for the club's EQ quotas though.

by 123456789 Wed 18 Jan 2017, 7:38 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:Good player for Edinburgh. Distinctly average player for Scotland. A Scottish rugby equivalent of Mark Ramprakash.

I also think he would have fared better under the current regime, outside players like Russell and Dunbar. Let's not forget that his fly half for Scotland was Dan Parks, and his inside centre Graham Morrison. I'm not sure Brian O'Driscoll would have looked good in that side.

Interestingly Brian O'Driscoll rated Nick De Luca, even putting his name forward for the 2013 Lions, considering the three 13s that toured were Tuilagi, Davies and O'Driscoll that's some compliment. Although maybe it was an attempt to weaken the competition for the test team considering how things turned out.

Brian O'Driscoll - January 2013 wrote:Nick de Luca. I don’t see his name quoted, but I’ve played against Nick quite a lot and he is a good player, one of the trickiest centres I’ve played against.

In terms of A teams I know they've reinstate the Student XV to play against an u19s team but I imagine we'd have heard about an A team game by now, although Eddie Jones seems to be a fan.
A kind of Six Nations A teams/ B Six Nations knockout competition during the summer or at six nations time would be a good yardstick to determine if/ when the likes of Georgia and Romania should join. If they're winning the tournament/ beating 3-4 A teams regularly then it's time to look at expansion.

by cakeordeath Wed 18 Jan 2017, 8:23 pm

Has anyone posted this already. It could have had an affect on Edinburgh, thankfully it shouldn't
http://m.epcrugby.com/news/34738.php

by **BigGee** Wed 18 Jan 2017, 9:00 pm

cakeordeath wrote:Has anyone posted this already. It could have had an affect on Edinburgh, thankfully it shouldn't
http://m.epcrugby.com/news/34738.php

All sounds a little bit iffy, it was mad to try and play the game in Romania in January in the first place and does not sound like Stade needed any great encouragement to say non!

Still the article was also written by a Romanian, so might be a little one sided as well.

They really need to consider the scheduling of the games for next year if they take nothing else from it. It won't effect the group results, Edinburgh will be top, Stade or Quins second, depending on this weeks results. The match won't get replayed.

by demosthenes Wed 18 Jan 2017, 10:07 pm

Re Adam Hastings :

"3 years playing in England, went to school there when he was 16, very simple"

Interesting. I looked at the IRB regs which refer to the the of majority, from which I assumed the 3 years runs, as being 18.

by 123456789 Wed 18 Jan 2017, 11:11 pm

As things stand in the Pro12 then there is effectively a Scottish-Irish side of the draw and a Anglo-French side. In effect that means that Glasgow would face Leinster away in the Quarter Finals and then either Connacht in Ireland or Munster in Scotland. The rules stipulate that the semi final should be played in a neutral venue in the "home" country. Given the final takes place at Murrayfield, which the SRU would most probably nominate should Glasgow reach that stage of the competition. Trying to get Ibrox, Celtic Park or Hampden would be too much like common sense. Either that or they'll go to Kilmarnock. I'm convinced the only reason Rugby games were moved there was because Dodson fell asleep on the day he was supposed to decide where to play apart from Murrayfield, woke up half an hour before the announcement and just booked the first thing that came up when he googled "rugby stadium Scotland". Hence the look of bemusement when he stands with a ball for press photos every October when the location for Scotland's third game is announced.

by **RDW** Thu 19 Jan 2017, 9:19 am

I'm assuming you mean Champions Cup instead of Pro 12?

I thought Rugby Park was generally viewed as a decent ground to host matches. Other than the fact it is in Kilmarnock obviously...

It probably would be at Murrayfield given Rugby Park is only 18k capacity but Glasgow fans I'm sure would prefer if it remains in the west. Rugby Park's synthetic pitch is also similar to Scotstoun.

by **BigGee** Thu 19 Jan 2017, 9:26 am

A little bit od talk on twitter this morning about Huw Jones going to Glasgow and maybe Mark Bennett moving eastwards down the M8.

I have felt that Jones always more likely to choose Glasgow, Bennett would be more of a surprise, I guess it depends on how much he wants to stay in Scotland, he would definitely get offers from elsewhere. He does not quite seem to have found his form this season, so maybe a move would be good for him.

by **RDW** Thu 19 Jan 2017, 9:28 am

Bennett to Edinburgh??

I'd be delighted with that! It would ruin him as a player though...

by **BigGee** Thu 19 Jan 2017, 9:31 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Bennett to Edinburgh??

I'd be delighted with that! It would ruin him as a player though...

You want to hope that is not what he thinks!

by **RDW** Thu 19 Jan 2017, 9:40 am

Michael Allan's contract is up so I suspect it would mean his departure too.

Bennett is definitely a step up in class from Allan but I think he's been a very good signing for us - he has added a spark to the backline that we've been missing. I don't think he's reached his full potential at Edinburgh and I can't help but think if he was SQ he would have played a lot more games.

Chris Dean has had the shirt lately and, although he has got better, he doesn't have the spark that Allan gives us. Assuming that Allan is off you can understand why Hodge is giving Dean gametime though.

I hope Allan gets a good deal somewhere.

by **BigGee** Thu 19 Jan 2017, 9:44 am

You would think they would try and keep him and release Rory Scholes, who has been invisible since he arrived. He came highly recommended as well, so won't have been that cheap. If they could get him released from his contract that would help, you would imagine he would be keen to go, for whatever reason, it has just not worked out.

by **RDW** Thu 19 Jan 2017, 9:47 am

BigGee wrote:You would think they would try and keep him and release Rory Scholes, who has been invisible since he arrived. He came highly recommended as well, so won't have been that cheap. If they could get him released from his contract that would help, you would imagine he would be keen to go, for whatever reason, it has just not worked out.

Perhaps, but Scholes is a wing/15 whereas Allan is more of a 13/wing - if Bennett comes then we'll have enough 13s and we already have plenty wingers. Allan may be a luxury we can't afford.

Scholes has to be one of the most peculiar signings we've ever had - as you say he came very highly rated by Ulster fans and we all expected him to be a regular starter for Edinburgh. He's only had 2 starts and 1 sub appearance however and is even seen as further down the pecking order than Glen Bryce who has been plain average for us! There must be something more to it that we don't know about.

by EWT Spoons Thu 19 Jan 2017, 9:51 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Michael Allan's contract is up so I suspect it would mean his departure too.

Bennett is definitely a step up in class from Allan but I think he's been a very good signing for us - he has added a spark to the backline that we've been missing. I don't think he's reached his full potential at Edinburgh and I can't help but think if he was SQ he would have played a lot more games.

Chris Dean has had the shirt lately and, although he has got better, he doesn't have the spark that Allan gives us. Assuming that Allan is off you can understand why Hodge is giving Dean gametime though.

I hope Allan gets a good deal somewhere.

I know he's not played there that much, but Dean looked fairly competent at 12 in his handful of appearances there, he could play back up to Burleigh and learn from him.

I'd be quite happy to get Bennet, or Jones, as they are both quality players and considerably better than what we currently have. Bennett is apparently not being offered a contract at Glasgow, so this would make sense.

by **RDW** Thu 19 Jan 2017, 9:57 am

EWT Spoons wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Michael Allan's contract is up so I suspect it would mean his departure too.

Bennett is definitely a step up in class from Allan but I think he's been a very good signing for us - he has added a spark to the backline that we've been missing. I don't think he's reached his full potential at Edinburgh and I can't help but think if he was SQ he would have played a lot more games.

Chris Dean has had the shirt lately and, although he has got better, he doesn't have the spark that Allan gives us. Assuming that Allan is off you can understand why Hodge is giving Dean gametime though.

I hope Allan gets a good deal somewhere.

I know he's not played there that much, but Dean looked fairly competent at 12 in his handful of appearances there, he could play back up to Burleigh and learn from him.

I'd be quite happy to get Bennet, or Jones, as they are both quality players and considerably better than what we currently have. Bennett is apparently not being offered a contract at Glasgow, so this would make sense.

I'd agree on that - he has looked good at 12. Rasolea is in the Rory Scholes mould, albeit having played more games. He showed early promise but hasn't featured much, and his defensive positioning is awful - we have let in a fair few tries when he has played.

by CraigS1874 Thu 19 Jan 2017, 10:03 am

EWT Spoons wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Michael Allan's contract is up so I suspect it would mean his departure too.

Bennett is definitely a step up in class from Allan but I think he's been a very good signing for us - he has added a spark to the backline that we've been missing. I don't think he's reached his full potential at Edinburgh and I can't help but think if he was SQ he would have played a lot more games.

Chris Dean has had the shirt lately and, although he has got better, he doesn't have the spark that Allan gives us. Assuming that Allan is off you can understand why Hodge is giving Dean gametime though.

I hope Allan gets a good deal somewhere.

I know he's not played there that much, but Dean looked fairly competent at 12 in his handful of appearances there, he could play back up to Burleigh and learn from him.

I'd be quite happy to get Bennet, or Jones, as they are both quality players and considerably better than what we currently have. Bennett is apparently not being offered a contract at Glasgow, so this would make sense.

Agreed, Chris Dean is a lot more of a natural 12 than 13, doesnt help that he went from playing back row at school to 3 seasons on the sevens circuit to now being moved back to the centres. I have played a fair bit with him at junior levels and his strengths are running hard straight lines as well as defensive and breakdown work. More similar to Alex Dunbar than Bennett if you put it that way.

Would be great to see huw jones move to the NH but why not move him straight to Edinburgh as opposed to moving Bennett ? Failing that I would like to see Nick Grigg move to Edinburgh as i have always been impressed when he has played

by **BigGee** Thu 19 Jan 2017, 10:05 am

So it may well be Bennett and Strauss are the ones Glasgow have to lose this year. A real shame for both of them and the fans, but unfortunately we can't keep them all.

Both players will get snapped up elsewhere, which is some consolation and are likely to earn a few quid more in the process.

by funnyExiledScot Thu 19 Jan 2017, 10:09 am

BigGee wrote:You would think they would try and keep him and release Rory Scholes, who has been invisible since he arrived. He came highly recommended as well, so won't have been that cheap. If they could get him released from his contract that would help, you would imagine he would be keen to go, for whatever reason, it has just not worked out.

Scholes is the sort of player Glasgow might hoover up, and turn into a world beater. I remember seeing him play for Ulster and he looked really promising.

Whichever way you look at it Allan is a better centre than Dean. We are picking Dean because he is SQ.

by funnyExiledScot Thu 19 Jan 2017, 10:10 am

BigGee wrote:So it may well be Bennett and Strauss are the ones Glasgow have to lose this year. A real shame for both of them and the fans, but unfortunately we can't keep them all.

Both players will get snapped up elsewhere, which is some consolation and are likely to earn a few quid more in the process.

I could see Strauss at Sarries, helping out when Billy V is injured.

I wonder whether Bennett might not head to France.

by **RDW** Thu 19 Jan 2017, 10:11 am

CraigS1874 wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Michael Allan's contract is up so I suspect it would mean his departure too.

Bennett is definitely a step up in class from Allan but I think he's been a very good signing for us - he has added a spark to the backline that we've been missing. I don't think he's reached his full potential at Edinburgh and I can't help but think if he was SQ he would have played a lot more games.

Chris Dean has had the shirt lately and, although he has got better, he doesn't have the spark that Allan gives us. Assuming that Allan is off you can understand why Hodge is giving Dean gametime though.

I hope Allan gets a good deal somewhere.

I know he's not played there that much, but Dean looked fairly competent at 12 in his handful of appearances there, he could play back up to Burleigh and learn from him.

I'd be quite happy to get Bennet, or Jones, as they are both quality players and considerably better than what we currently have. Bennett is apparently not being offered a contract at Glasgow, so this would make sense.

Agreed, Chris Dean is a lot more of a natural 12 than 13, doesnt help that he went from playing back row at school to 3 seasons on the sevens circuit to now being moved back to the centres. I have played a fair bit with him at junior levels and his strengths are running hard straight lines as well as defensive and breakdown work. More similar to Alex Dunbar than Bennett if you put it that way.

Would be great to see huw jones move to the NH but why not move him straight to Edinburgh as opposed to moving Bennett ? Failing that I would like to see Nick Grigg move to Edinburgh as i have always been impressed when he has played

If you watch the highlights from the 'quins game he runs a brilliant line and makes a great line break, only to ruin the try scoring opportunity by throwing a wild loopy pass that killed off all momentum, instead of passing to Hoyland who was flying on his outside shoulder with space ahead of him.

So it is great he made the line break but there's still plenty for him to work on!

by Hazel Sapling Thu 19 Jan 2017, 10:34 am

CraigS1874 wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Michael Allan's contract is up so I suspect it would mean his departure too.

Bennett is definitely a step up in class from Allan but I think he's been a very good signing for us - he has added a spark to the backline that we've been missing. I don't think he's reached his full potential at Edinburgh and I can't help but think if he was SQ he would have played a lot more games.

Chris Dean has had the shirt lately and, although he has got better, he doesn't have the spark that Allan gives us. Assuming that Allan is off you can understand why Hodge is giving Dean gametime though.

I hope Allan gets a good deal somewhere.

I know he's not played there that much, but Dean looked fairly competent at 12 in his handful of appearances there, he could play back up to Burleigh and learn from him.

I'd be quite happy to get Bennet, or Jones, as they are both quality players and considerably better than what we currently have. Bennett is apparently not being offered a contract at Glasgow, so this would make sense.

Agreed, Chris Dean is a lot more of a natural 12 than 13, doesnt help that he went from playing back row at school to 3 seasons on the sevens circuit to now being moved back to the centres. I have played a fair bit with him at junior levels and his strengths are running hard straight lines as well as defensive and breakdown work. More similar to Alex Dunbar than Bennett if you put it that way.

Would be great to see huw jones move to the NH but why not move him straight to Edinburgh as opposed to moving Bennett ? Failing that I would like to see Nick Grigg move to Edinburgh as i have always been impressed when he has played

Why not move Horne or Johnson and Bennett to become the new starting 12/13 axis if Bennett is leaving Glasgow? Dean backs up 13 and Burleigh backs up 12. Bryce covers 13. Allan (assuming he is tied to Ireland), Ras and Helu can all be let go. In one stroke the centres become far more Scottish (and more talented). Problem at the moment is who is coaching that team?

Glasgow in exchange get H Jones and either Fergusson back from LS or Paddy Kelly can come through the system. Sign Hastings to back up 10. Maintains the depth at Glasgow, develops the second team and provides youngsters with opportunity.

by CraigS1874 Thu 19 Jan 2017, 10:59 am

Hazel Sapling wrote:
CraigS1874 wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Michael Allan's contract is up so I suspect it would mean his departure too.

Bennett is definitely a step up in class from Allan but I think he's been a very good signing for us - he has added a spark to the backline that we've been missing. I don't think he's reached his full potential at Edinburgh and I can't help but think if he was SQ he would have played a lot more games.

Chris Dean has had the shirt lately and, although he has got better, he doesn't have the spark that Allan gives us. Assuming that Allan is off you can understand why Hodge is giving Dean gametime though.

I hope Allan gets a good deal somewhere.

I know he's not played there that much, but Dean looked fairly competent at 12 in his handful of appearances there, he could play back up to Burleigh and learn from him.

I'd be quite happy to get Bennet, or Jones, as they are both quality players and considerably better than what we currently have. Bennett is apparently not being offered a contract at Glasgow, so this would make sense.

Agreed, Chris Dean is a lot more of a natural 12 than 13, doesnt help that he went from playing back row at school to 3 seasons on the sevens circuit to now being moved back to the centres. I have played a fair bit with him at junior levels and his strengths are running hard straight lines as well as defensive and breakdown work. More similar to Alex Dunbar than Bennett if you put it that way.

Would be great to see huw jones move to the NH but why not move him straight to Edinburgh as opposed to moving Bennett ? Failing that I would like to see Nick Grigg move to Edinburgh as i have always been impressed when he has played

Why not move Horne or Johnson and Bennett to become the new starting 12/13 axis if Bennett is leaving Glasgow? Dean backs up 13 and Burleigh backs up 12. Bryce covers 13. Allan (assuming he is tied to Ireland), Ras and Helu can all be let go. In one stroke the centres become far more Scottish (and more talented). Problem at the moment is who is coaching that team?

Glasgow in exchange get H Jones and either Fergusson back from LS or Paddy Kelly can come through the system. Sign Hastings to back up 10. Maintains the depth at Glasgow, develops the second team and provides youngsters with opportunity.

Never going to happen, far too sensible for the SRU!

by Sin é Thu 19 Jan 2017, 12:39 pm

You might be interested in this:

I'm properly p*ssed off about that. I don't see any benefit in charging down someone's standing leg.'
Conor Murray said he is lucky not to have suffered a serious injury last Saturday.

http://www.the42.ie/conor-murray-munster-glasgow-3193305-Jan2017/

by Tattie Scones RRN Thu 19 Jan 2017, 12:45 pm

Not particularly.

Another gobsh!te from Munster then. Unless of course the press are twisting words but they never do that.....

I'd say he's trying to perhaps make refs keep an eye on it - bit of mind games if you will.

Whatever it is, his erse and his mouth have been mixed up somehow.

by PhilBB Thu 19 Jan 2017, 12:45 pm

Does anybody have any gifs to support Murray's claims?

There are plenty on Gwlad that disprove his claims.

He wouldn't be doing this to diver attention from the HIA failure from Munster, would he? Would that outfit be that disingenuous?

by **BigGee** Thu 19 Jan 2017, 12:47 pm

That is quite a serious allegation, that fellow professionals were deliberately trying to injure him.

There really was not a lot in this, the first tackle from Strauss was marginally late but that was about it. Jerry Flannery gobbing off about it in the commentary really stirred this up.

At the emd of the day, it was a really good hard game between two very good sides, which Munster deservedly won. CM really should leave it at that.

by tigertattie Thu 19 Jan 2017, 12:48 pm

never watched the game myself, are Murray's claims justified?

by EWT Spoons Thu 19 Jan 2017, 12:48 pm

Created a new thread for the Edinburgh game.

https://www.606v2.com/t64964-edinburgh-rugby-vs-the-other-saracens#3500193

by PhilBB Thu 19 Jan 2017, 12:49 pm

tigertattie wrote:never watched the game myself, are Murray's claims justified?

No.

by Sin é Thu 19 Jan 2017, 1:00 pm

PhilBB wrote:Does anybody have any gifs to support Murray's claims?

Have you look at the photo at the top of the 42.ie's article? Pretty clear in that photo.

There are plenty on Gwlad that disprove his claims.

Why am I not surprised.

He wouldn't be doing this to diver attention from the HIA failure from Munster, would he? Would that outfit be that disingenuous?

Don't think so. He has passed all his HIA assessments and been to a neurologist who cleared him to play this weekend.

I'd say its more about him not wanting to miss the 6Ns (Ireland play Scotland first) and a possible Lions tour with a broken leg!

It will be interesting to see if they employ that tactic against the Tigers this weekend.

by PhilBB Thu 19 Jan 2017, 1:07 pm

I've seen the gif of the Strauss tackle. It isn't late.

Why are surprised that there are plenty of gifs that disprove his claim? Probably because you know this is just Munster trying to divert attention from their HIA dereliction.

There is no tactic that was employed. Murray didn't move (by his own admission) after his head knock. That means he should have automatically been removed.

by cakeordeath Thu 19 Jan 2017, 1:10 pm

PhilBB wrote:I've seen the gif of the Strauss tackle. It isn't late.

Why are surprised that there are plenty of gifs that disprove his claim? Probably because you know this is just Munster trying to divert attention from their HIA dereliction.

There is no tactic that was employed. Murray didn't move (by his own admission) after his head knock. That means he should have automatically been removed.

A single picture proves nothing. The game was televised. Since Munster have made this claim they need to back it up with video evidence. If they can prove that his was the case then action should be taken against Glasgow. If however there is no evidence to prove that this happens then Munster should be punished.

by Sin é Thu 19 Jan 2017, 1:12 pm

PhilBB wrote:I've seen the gif of the Strauss tackle. It isn't late.

Why are surprised that there are plenty of gifs that disprove his claim? Probably because you know this is just Munster trying to divert attention from their HIA dereliction.

There is no tactic that was employed. Murray didn't move (by his own admission) after his head knock. That means he should have automatically been removed.

Who said anything about it being late. Lets wait and see what the Swiss based Champions Cup Committee say about that.

Now, have you viewed the photo at the top of the 42.ie where you can see Straus tacklining Murray's leg?

by PhilBB Thu 19 Jan 2017, 1:20 pm

If it's not late, it's a legitimate tackle so there should be no moan.

I've seen the gif of the tackle shown in the pic. There's nothing wrong with it.

http://i.makeagif.com/media/1-19-2017/oO68YK.gif

by Sin é Thu 19 Jan 2017, 1:21 pm

cakeordeath wrote:
PhilBB wrote:I've seen the gif of the Strauss tackle. It isn't late.

Why are surprised that there are plenty of gifs that disprove his claim? Probably because you know this is just Munster trying to divert attention from their HIA dereliction.

There is no tactic that was employed. Murray didn't move (by his own admission) after his head knock. That means he should have automatically been removed.

A single picture proves nothing. The game was televised. Since Munster have made this claim they need to back it up with video evidence. If they can prove that his was the case then action should be taken against Glasgow. If however there is no evidence to prove that this happens then Munster should be punished.

Murray Kinsella on twitter has a couple of gifs (posted around 15th Jan) including it happening to the Treviso scrumhalf who was injured in a league game against Glasgow. One of Munster's other scrumhalfs was also caught and injured in a league game earlier this year.

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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