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Edinburgh and Glasgow: Ongoing Banter Thread XIV (It's still personal)
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Edinburgh & Glasgow Warriors
A Not So Brief History of Time-Wasting (click to show/hide):
https://www.606v2.com/t48240-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread
https://www.606v2.com/t51313-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-ii
https://www.606v2.com/t53119-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-iii
https://www.606v2.com/t54519-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-iv
https://www.606v2.com/t55409-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-v-the-fun-continues
https://www.606v2.com/t56913-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-vi-banter-boogaloo
https://www.606v2.com/t57946-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-vii
https://www.606v2.com/t58659-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-viii
https://www.606v2.com/t59409-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-ix
https://www.606v2.com/t60764-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-x-rated
https://www.606v2.com/t61904-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-xi-the-undiscovered-country
https://www.606v2.com/t62900-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-xii-twelve-monkeys
Edinburgh - Fixtures (click to show/hide):
Fixtures
11. 26/12/2016 | 16:05 | Edinburgh Rugby v Glasgow Warriors | BT Murrayfield | BBC ALBA
12. 31/12/2016 | TBC | Zebre Rugby v Edinburgh Rugby | Stadio Sergio Lanfranchi | TBC
13. 07/01/2017 | 15:00 | Edinburgh Rugby v Munster Rugby | Myreside | Sky
14. 10/11/12 Feb | TBC | Ulster Rugby v Edinburgh Rugby | Kingspan Stadium | TBC
15. 17/18/19 Feb | TBC | Leinster Rugby v Edinburgh Rugby | RDS Arena | TBC
16. 24/25/26 Feb | TBC | Edinburgh Rugby v Cardiff Blues | Myreside | TBC
17. 03/04/05 Mar | TBC | Edinburgh Rugby v Ospreys | Myreside | TBC
18. 24/25/26 Mar | TBC | Scarlets v Edinburgh Rugby | Parc y Scarlets | TBC
19. 07/08/09 Apr | TBC | Edinburgh Rugby v Connacht Rugby | Myreside | TBC
20. 15/04/2017 | 20:05 | Benetton Treviso v Edinburgh Rugby | Stadio Monigo | TBC
21. 28/29/30 Apr | TBC | Edinburgh Rugby v Newport Gwent Dragons | Myreside | TBC
22. 06/05/2017 | 17:15 | Glasgow Warriors v Edinburgh Rugby | Scotstoun Stadium | TBC
Youtube playlist of all of Edinburgh's Pro12 action here.
Glasgow Warriors - Fixtures (click to show/hide):
Fixtures
11. 26/12/2016 | 16:05 | Edinburgh Rugby v Glasgow Warriors | BT Murrayfield | BBC ALBA
12. 31/12/2016 | 14:00 | Benetton Treviso v Glasgow Warriors | Stadio Monigo | TBC/BBC ALBA
13. 07/01/2017 | 19:35 | Glasgow Warriors v Cardiff Blues | Scotstoun Stadium | BBC ALBA/S4C
14. 10/11/12 Feb | TBC | Glasgow Warriors v Scarlets | Scotstoun Stadium | TBC
15. 17/18/19 Feb | TBC | Ulster Rugby v Glasgow Warriors | Kingspan Stadium | TBC
16. 24/25/26 Feb | TBC | Ospreys v Glasgow Warriors | Liberty Stadium | TBC
17. 03/04/05 Mar | TBC | Glasgow Warriors v Newport Gwent Dragons | Scotstoun Stadium | TBC
18. 24/25/26 Mar | TBC | Glasgow Warriors v Connacht Rugby | Scotstoun Stadium | TBC
19. 07/08/09 Apr | TBC | Munster Rugby v Glasgow Warriors | Irish Independent Park | TBC
20. 14/04/2017 | 19:35 | Glasgow Warriors v Zebre Rugby | Scotstoun Stadium | BBC ALBA
21. 28/29/30 Apr | TBC | Leinster Rugby v Glasgow Warriors | RDS Arena | TBC
22. 06/05/2017 | 17:15 | Glasgow Warriors v Edinburgh Rugby | Scotstoun Stadium | TBC
Youtube playlist of all of Glasgow's Pro12 action here.
Champions Runner up
Edinburgh Glasgow Warriors
1872 Cup - Past Results (click to show/hide):
2007–08
28 December 2007, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 35–31 Glasgow Warriors
11 April 2008, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 23–14 Edinburgh
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 54–49
2008–09
26 December 2008, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 39–6 Glasgow Warriors
2 January 2009, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 25–20 Edinburgh
Winner: Edinburgh 59–31
2009–10
27 December 2009, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 25–12 Edinburgh
2 January 2010, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 15–22 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 47–27
2010–11
27 December 2010, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 30–18 Edinburgh
2 January 2011, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 28–17 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 47–46
2011–12
26 December 2011, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 23–23 Glasgow Warriors
1 January 2012, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 17–12 Edinburgh
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 40–35
2012–13
21 December 2012, Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 23–14 Edinburgh
29 December 2012, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 17–21 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 44–31
2013–14
26 December 2013, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 16–20 Glasgow Warriors
26 April 2014, Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 37–34 Edinburgh (postponed from 1st Jan due to waterlogged pitch)
Winner: Glasgow 57–50
2014–15
27 December 2014, Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 16–6 Edinburgh
2 January 2015, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 20–8 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Edinburgh 26–24
2015–16
27 December 2015, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 23–11 Glasgow Warriors
2 January 2016, Murrayfield Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 11–14 Edinburgh (moved from Scotstoun due to waterlogged pitch)
Winner: Edinburgh 37–22
Winners tally
Glasgow Warriors - 6
Edinburgh - 3
Some tidying up could be required as I'm no a PC wizz!
PS - Any player from Ayr is not necessarily "World class"
Edinburgh & Glasgow Warriors
A Not So Brief History of Time-Wasting (click to show/hide):
https://www.606v2.com/t48240-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread
https://www.606v2.com/t51313-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-ii
https://www.606v2.com/t53119-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-iii
https://www.606v2.com/t54519-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-iv
https://www.606v2.com/t55409-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-v-the-fun-continues
https://www.606v2.com/t56913-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-vi-banter-boogaloo
https://www.606v2.com/t57946-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-vii
https://www.606v2.com/t58659-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-viii
https://www.606v2.com/t59409-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-ix
https://www.606v2.com/t60764-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-x-rated
https://www.606v2.com/t61904-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-xi-the-undiscovered-country
https://www.606v2.com/t62900-glasgow-and-edinburgh-ongoing-banter-thread-xii-twelve-monkeys
Guinness Pro12
Edinburgh - Fixtures (click to show/hide):
Fixtures
11. 26/12/2016 | 16:05 | Edinburgh Rugby v Glasgow Warriors | BT Murrayfield | BBC ALBA
12. 31/12/2016 | TBC | Zebre Rugby v Edinburgh Rugby | Stadio Sergio Lanfranchi | TBC
13. 07/01/2017 | 15:00 | Edinburgh Rugby v Munster Rugby | Myreside | Sky
14. 10/11/12 Feb | TBC | Ulster Rugby v Edinburgh Rugby | Kingspan Stadium | TBC
15. 17/18/19 Feb | TBC | Leinster Rugby v Edinburgh Rugby | RDS Arena | TBC
16. 24/25/26 Feb | TBC | Edinburgh Rugby v Cardiff Blues | Myreside | TBC
17. 03/04/05 Mar | TBC | Edinburgh Rugby v Ospreys | Myreside | TBC
18. 24/25/26 Mar | TBC | Scarlets v Edinburgh Rugby | Parc y Scarlets | TBC
19. 07/08/09 Apr | TBC | Edinburgh Rugby v Connacht Rugby | Myreside | TBC
20. 15/04/2017 | 20:05 | Benetton Treviso v Edinburgh Rugby | Stadio Monigo | TBC
21. 28/29/30 Apr | TBC | Edinburgh Rugby v Newport Gwent Dragons | Myreside | TBC
22. 06/05/2017 | 17:15 | Glasgow Warriors v Edinburgh Rugby | Scotstoun Stadium | TBC
Youtube playlist of all of Edinburgh's Pro12 action here.
Glasgow Warriors - Fixtures (click to show/hide):
Fixtures
11. 26/12/2016 | 16:05 | Edinburgh Rugby v Glasgow Warriors | BT Murrayfield | BBC ALBA
12. 31/12/2016 | 14:00 | Benetton Treviso v Glasgow Warriors | Stadio Monigo | TBC/BBC ALBA
13. 07/01/2017 | 19:35 | Glasgow Warriors v Cardiff Blues | Scotstoun Stadium | BBC ALBA/S4C
14. 10/11/12 Feb | TBC | Glasgow Warriors v Scarlets | Scotstoun Stadium | TBC
15. 17/18/19 Feb | TBC | Ulster Rugby v Glasgow Warriors | Kingspan Stadium | TBC
16. 24/25/26 Feb | TBC | Ospreys v Glasgow Warriors | Liberty Stadium | TBC
17. 03/04/05 Mar | TBC | Glasgow Warriors v Newport Gwent Dragons | Scotstoun Stadium | TBC
18. 24/25/26 Mar | TBC | Glasgow Warriors v Connacht Rugby | Scotstoun Stadium | TBC
19. 07/08/09 Apr | TBC | Munster Rugby v Glasgow Warriors | Irish Independent Park | TBC
20. 14/04/2017 | 19:35 | Glasgow Warriors v Zebre Rugby | Scotstoun Stadium | BBC ALBA
21. 28/29/30 Apr | TBC | Leinster Rugby v Glasgow Warriors | RDS Arena | TBC
22. 06/05/2017 | 17:15 | Glasgow Warriors v Edinburgh Rugby | Scotstoun Stadium | TBC
Youtube playlist of all of Glasgow's Pro12 action here.
1872 Cup
Champions Runner up
Edinburgh Glasgow Warriors
1872 Cup - Past Results (click to show/hide):
2007–08
28 December 2007, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 35–31 Glasgow Warriors
11 April 2008, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 23–14 Edinburgh
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 54–49
2008–09
26 December 2008, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 39–6 Glasgow Warriors
2 January 2009, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 25–20 Edinburgh
Winner: Edinburgh 59–31
2009–10
27 December 2009, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 25–12 Edinburgh
2 January 2010, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 15–22 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 47–27
2010–11
27 December 2010, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 30–18 Edinburgh
2 January 2011, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 28–17 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 47–46
2011–12
26 December 2011, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 23–23 Glasgow Warriors
1 January 2012, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 17–12 Edinburgh
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 40–35
2012–13
21 December 2012, Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 23–14 Edinburgh
29 December 2012, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 17–21 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 44–31
2013–14
26 December 2013, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 16–20 Glasgow Warriors
26 April 2014, Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 37–34 Edinburgh (postponed from 1st Jan due to waterlogged pitch)
Winner: Glasgow 57–50
2014–15
27 December 2014, Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 16–6 Edinburgh
2 January 2015, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 20–8 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Edinburgh 26–24
2015–16
27 December 2015, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 23–11 Glasgow Warriors
2 January 2016, Murrayfield Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 11–14 Edinburgh (moved from Scotstoun due to waterlogged pitch)
Winner: Edinburgh 37–22
Winners tally
Glasgow Warriors - 6
Edinburgh - 3
Some tidying up could be required as I'm no a PC wizz!
PS - Any player from Ayr is not necessarily "World class"
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Re: Edinburgh and Glasgow: Ongoing Banter Thread XIV (It's still personal)
Is it Jackson? Laidlaw or CP will have taken the kicks for most of his career.
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Re: Edinburgh and Glasgow: Ongoing Banter Thread XIV (It's still personal)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/38695995
Toonie eventually gets fed up with all the bleating from Ireland and lobs a hand grenade over the Irish Sea!
He makes it pretty clear what he thinks about it!
Toonie eventually gets fed up with all the bleating from Ireland and lobs a hand grenade over the Irish Sea!
He makes it pretty clear what he thinks about it!
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Re: Edinburgh and Glasgow: Ongoing Banter Thread XIV (It's still personal)
BigGee wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/38695995
Toonie eventually gets fed up with all the bleating from Ireland and lobs a hand grenade over the Irish Sea!
He makes it pretty clear what he thinks about it!
I preferred the silent approach personally, but I don't blame Toonie for responding to those accusations. It would have been better for the game had both sides dealt with this properly and through the formal channels. Still, I suppose it stokes up the Scotland v Ireland game nicely, as alluded to by Toonie.
I've sure Munster did nothing wrong regarding the head injury. With players like Murray on board, I can imagine player welfare is at the heart of everything they do. Still, they are being investigated so the facts will out.
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Re: Edinburgh and Glasgow: Ongoing Banter Thread XIV (It's still personal)
funnyExiledScot wrote:BigGee wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/38695995
Toonie eventually gets fed up with all the bleating from Ireland and lobs a hand grenade over the Irish Sea!
He makes it pretty clear what he thinks about it!
I preferred the silent approach personally, but I don't blame Toonie for responding to those accusations. It would have been better for the game had both sides dealt with this properly and through the formal channels. Still, I suppose it stokes up the Scotland v Ireland game nicely, as alluded to by Toonie.
I've sure Munster did nothing wrong regarding the head injury. With players like Murray on board, I can imagine player welfare is at the heart of everything they do. Still, they are being investigated so the facts will out.
Have to say I don't agree about CM, watching it live, he looked spark out at the time and should have been pulled for an assessment at that point.
The Munster medics eventually came to the same conclusion after a few viewings of the replays but by that time he had already been clattered again at the next play, which is absolutely the worst thing that can happen to someone with a suspected concussion.
He may not, as he said, have lost consciousness and/or was concussed, but should at least have been brought off for assessment. The whole point of the new rulings is that suspicion should be enough of a cue to act and in this case it did not happen. It was just like the George North incident all over again. I suspect they will get their knuckles rapped. There should not be any room for interpretation with these regulations.
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Should the ref not stop play immediately if he suspects a player has had a head knock?
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Re: Edinburgh and Glasgow: Ongoing Banter Thread XIV (It's still personal)
BigGee wrote:funnyExiledScot wrote:BigGee wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/38695995
Toonie eventually gets fed up with all the bleating from Ireland and lobs a hand grenade over the Irish Sea!
He makes it pretty clear what he thinks about it!
I preferred the silent approach personally, but I don't blame Toonie for responding to those accusations. It would have been better for the game had both sides dealt with this properly and through the formal channels. Still, I suppose it stokes up the Scotland v Ireland game nicely, as alluded to by Toonie.
I've sure Munster did nothing wrong regarding the head injury. With players like Murray on board, I can imagine player welfare is at the heart of everything they do. Still, they are being investigated so the facts will out.
Have to say I don't agree about CM, watching it live, he looked spark out at the time and should have been pulled for an assessment at that point.
The Munster medics eventually came to the same conclusion after a few viewings of the replays but by that time he had already been clattered again at the next play, which is absolutely the worst thing that can happen to someone with a suspected concussion.
He may not, as he said, have lost consciousness and/or was concussed, but should at least have been brought off for assessment. The whole point of the new rulings is that suspicion should be enough of a cue to act and in this case it did not happen. It was just like the George North incident all over again. I suspect they will get their knuckles rapped. There should not be any room for interpretation with these regulations.
I was being sarcastic. I'm certain they'll get their knuckles wrapped for this. There's no way the authorities will police this with a light touch.
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Re: Edinburgh and Glasgow: Ongoing Banter Thread XIV (It's still personal)
I'm a little bit disappointed with Townsends response - I know he has had a lot of baiting from Munster and the Irish press on this but he didn't have to 'go there' to suggest that this is a distraction from the current investigation on Murray's head knock.
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RDW_Scotland wrote:I'm a little bit disappointed with Townsends response - I know he has had a lot of baiting from Munster and the Irish press on this but he didn't have to 'go there' to suggest that this is a distraction from the current investigation on Murray's head knock.
Even if it is true?
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Does Montpellier's bonus point mean we need to win tomorrow? Negating the losing bonus point option?
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nickj wrote:Does Montpellier's bonus point mean we need to win tomorrow? Negating the losing bonus point option?
Two points would put us ahead of them as they have an appalling PD due to the hammerings they took from Leinster.
Best option would still be to just win the match though!
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Nice. Can you get 2 points for losing? 1 for losing by the less than x and ?
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nickj wrote:Nice. Can you get 2 points for losing? 1 for losing by the less than x and ?
1 for keeping the score within 7
1 for scoring 4 tries
or you could draw for 2 points +/- a try bonus point
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RDW_Scotland wrote:I'm a little bit disappointed with Townsends response - I know he has had a lot of baiting from Munster and the Irish press on this but he didn't have to 'go there' to suggest that this is a distraction from the current investigation on Murray's head knock.
All Townsend said was that it was within the laws of the game. He deflected on what Murray said which was basically that it is a dangerous tactic.
This is what Ronan O'Gara had to say about it in his column yesterday in Irish Examiner.
RONAN O'GARA: Treatment of Murray was atrociously dangerous
He was targeted by Glasgow last Saturday and that’s alright in the context of everything being fair in love and war etc. But going after someone totally exposed with one foot planted is a disappointing low in rugby and something I view as absolutely scandalous and appalling — and I have a fair idea of what I am talking about in this area.
I did my cruciate against the Dragons in 2005 from that exact sort of challenge. The out-half, because of the amount of kicking, is obviously vulnerable, but when you are a nine, box- kicking a metre or two from the ruck, you’re in a vulnerable place when it comes to this sort of behaviour.
I’m not sure people fully appreciate how vulnerable a box kicker is in those circumstances. To execute that properly, all the pressure is on his pivot foot and there is a premeditated decision to attack his standing leg. The consequences could be horrendous. It’s not sneaky, it’s atrociously dangerous.
A late tackle on a single, exposed leg — you can build up the knee area as much as you want, do all the balance and prehab work as proposed, but there’s no defence to that. If that was me in Scotstoun, I’d have kicked out. Murray did extremely well to keep it together.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/ronan-ogara/ronan-o39gara-treatment-of-murray-was-atrociously-dangerous-439965.html
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Re: Edinburgh and Glasgow: Ongoing Banter Thread XIV (It's still personal)
BigGee wrote:funnyExiledScot wrote:BigGee wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/38695995
Toonie eventually gets fed up with all the bleating from Ireland and lobs a hand grenade over the Irish Sea!
He makes it pretty clear what he thinks about it!
I preferred the silent approach personally, but I don't blame Toonie for responding to those accusations. It would have been better for the game had both sides dealt with this properly and through the formal channels. Still, I suppose it stokes up the Scotland v Ireland game nicely, as alluded to by Toonie.
I've sure Munster did nothing wrong regarding the head injury. With players like Murray on board, I can imagine player welfare is at the heart of everything they do. Still, they are being investigated so the facts will out.
Have to say I don't agree about CM, watching it live, he looked spark out at the time and should have been pulled for an assessment at that point.
The Munster medics eventually came to the same conclusion after a few viewings of the replays but by that time he had already been clattered again at the next play, which is absolutely the worst thing that can happen to someone with a suspected concussion.
He may not, as he said, have lost consciousness and/or was concussed, but should at least have been brought off for assessment. The whole point of the new rulings is that suspicion should be enough of a cue to act and in this case it did not happen. It was just like the George North incident all over again. I suspect they will get their knuckles rapped. There should not be any room for interpretation with these regulations.
If Munster have followed all the procedures laid out by World Rugby (and they seem confident that they did), there is something wrong with the procedures, not with Munster Rugby Medical Team. If anyone should get their knuckles wrapped in that incidence is World Rugby.
Rassie Erasmus has spoken about it and the call that their should be independent medics making the decisions:
rassie wrote: “I am so satisfied with all the things we put in place over and above the normal protocol and regulations. Medical doctors, they have got an oath and they look after player welfare.
“You will lose a player’s commitment towards the club, and the coaches and the medical team if you put them back on the park or risk them and you will suffer later in your coaching career if players don’t trust you.
Our doctors and our medical staff will never ever jeopardise a player’s welfare so I don’t think it [an assessor] is needed.
Erasmus also made it clear that in no way does anyone have a right to give their diagnosis when they are nowhere near the situation at hand.
“Even myself, as a coach, it’s a very dangerous thing to sit there and make a judgement like a medical doctor on medical conditions. It’s almost like googling an illness on the internet and making a diagnosis.
“It’s me sitting there and I totally trust the medical team. If a guy gets injured I will wait for the info from them and while I’m sitting there and while I played the game and have seen injuries a lot of times, I am not qualified to make calls like that.
“It might be very irresponsible to make assumptions watching the game when you weren’t part of the action on the ground. I think it’s a big responsibility and that we all adhere to that.””
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Re: Edinburgh and Glasgow: Ongoing Banter Thread XIV (It's still personal)
Quite exciting to think both Pro sides will be involved in European competition after the six nations, I've always felt our players lack of knockout experience hindered us in World Cup quarter finals and has meant our players being pushed back in Lions pecking order.
This year between Edinburgh, Glasgow and exiles Scotland will have two XVs playing in high quality European rugby into late march at least.
This year between Edinburgh, Glasgow and exiles Scotland will have two XVs playing in high quality European rugby into late march at least.
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Re: Edinburgh and Glasgow: Ongoing Banter Thread XIV (It's still personal)
not sure Edinburgh are playing high quality European rugby. Its the mninnows cup and I would rather they concentrated on the league
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Re: Edinburgh and Glasgow: Ongoing Banter Thread XIV (It's still personal)
If you look at the teams still in and around there there's no doubt the quality is high, Bath, Ospreys and Gloucester will all have significant representation in the six nations, as will Quins who may yet qualify.TJ wrote:not sure Edinburgh are playing high quality European rugby. Its the mninnows cup and I would rather they concentrated on the league
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Re: Edinburgh and Glasgow: Ongoing Banter Thread XIV (It's still personal)
Don't agree numbers. Its a meaningless diversion of mainly second string sides
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Re: Edinburgh and Glasgow: Ongoing Banter Thread XIV (It's still personal)
If Edinburgh win then you give the Edinburgh players a taste of victory in the professional game and a shot at qualifying for the Champions cup. Chris Paterson has over 100 Scotland caps and won nothing of note in his career, some of the players in this generation have already won the Pro12 with Glasgow, many played in the final for Edinburgh and have a very good chance this year.
Why is that important? It means, if nothing else, young players know they don't have to leave Scotland to win something, for Scottish players today the notion of winning Leagues and cups is not fanciful it is real and that is a huge difference.
As well as that it could prove to be the kick Edinburgh need to get going, winning the Amlin proved an invaluable experience for many of the Quins players who won the Premiership in 2012. Leinster took it seriously. Edinburgh would be foolish to dismiss it.
Why is that important? It means, if nothing else, young players know they don't have to leave Scotland to win something, for Scottish players today the notion of winning Leagues and cups is not fanciful it is real and that is a huge difference.
As well as that it could prove to be the kick Edinburgh need to get going, winning the Amlin proved an invaluable experience for many of the Quins players who won the Premiership in 2012. Leinster took it seriously. Edinburgh would be foolish to dismiss it.
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Re: Edinburgh and Glasgow: Ongoing Banter Thread XIV (It's still personal)
Edinburgh basically have no chance of making the Top 6 now. Would I rather they put their efforts into trying to finish 8th in the league or win the challenge cup? Definitely the latter!
Edinburgh desperately need some positivity to help build the fan base, especially with a move to myreside.
They need to improve in the league definitely but I think we should go all guns out against La Rochelle at home in the quarter final.
There's no doubting a lot of teams put out 2nd string teams in the group stages but come the quarter finals teams will want to win it!
Edinburgh desperately need some positivity to help build the fan base, especially with a move to myreside.
They need to improve in the league definitely but I think we should go all guns out against La Rochelle at home in the quarter final.
There's no doubting a lot of teams put out 2nd string teams in the group stages but come the quarter finals teams will want to win it!
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In amongst all the crowing about Glasgow's fantastic win yesterday. Morrison in the Scotsman did an article about Glasgow coming and goings for next season.
Apparently Langigangi went back to America for a break a while back and has not been seen since. It looks like he has given up on his dream of a professional rugby career and Glasgow may be cancelling his contract.
He always was a bit of a punt and I doubt he has cost them very much money. Pity he did not stick it out though and find out what kind of a player he could have been. Maybe he was just to old when he started off and just could not adapt.
Morrison also joined the growing chorus that suggested that Strauss is not being offered anther contract. Going by the way he played yesterday, that is more of a risk but one that finances probably mean is inevitable. If he is going though, he looks to want to go out with a bang!
Apparently Langigangi went back to America for a break a while back and has not been seen since. It looks like he has given up on his dream of a professional rugby career and Glasgow may be cancelling his contract.
He always was a bit of a punt and I doubt he has cost them very much money. Pity he did not stick it out though and find out what kind of a player he could have been. Maybe he was just to old when he started off and just could not adapt.
Morrison also joined the growing chorus that suggested that Strauss is not being offered anther contract. Going by the way he played yesterday, that is more of a risk but one that finances probably mean is inevitable. If he is going though, he looks to want to go out with a bang!
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I am not sure how critical to be about some of our 'stunt signings' in recent years.
Taqele Naiyaravoro was always a big risk when he made it clear that he'd rather stay home, Carlin Isles was a way to get a lot of publicity without also getting a serious rugby player and GangLangigangi was clearly an enormous punt. I am also reminded of James Downey who was signed and never played.
Do other teams have the same strike/failure rate?
Taqele Naiyaravoro was always a big risk when he made it clear that he'd rather stay home, Carlin Isles was a way to get a lot of publicity without also getting a serious rugby player and GangLangigangi was clearly an enormous punt. I am also reminded of James Downey who was signed and never played.
Do other teams have the same strike/failure rate?
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George Carlin wrote:I am not sure how critical to be about some of our 'stunt signings' in recent years.
Taqele Naiyaravoro was always a big risk when he made it clear that he'd rather stay home, Carlin Isles was a way to get a lot of publicity without also getting a serious rugby player and GangLangigangi was clearly an enormous punt. I am also reminded of James Downey who was signed and never played.
Do other teams have the same strike/failure rate?
Hard to put Downey in the same category as the others, he was a very serious rugby player in his day. I suspect there was a falling out with him, either that, or they found it he just did not have it any more. He certainly slipped away afterwards and was soon retired.
I think there is a danger that Corey Flynn may be going the same way. Maybe I am wrong and he is doing lots of good stuff in the background, but surely he was signed to sit on the bench for games like yesterday. Instead I would said that he is probably 4th in our list of available hookers at the moment and we don't seem to be missing him.
I guess you can't get them all right!
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One of the things I wondered was whether qualifying meant keeping one or two of our standout players. Given the amount of players Glasgow and Edinburgh got on the back of edinburgh's cup run a few years back.
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Should be worth a few Bob - especially if they can get a home Semi. IIRC Edinburghs cup run a few years ago earned half a million
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It depends who you get. Edinburgh got half Leinster's gate (from the Aviva Stadium). You will do better financially playing Munster in Thomond rather than Sarries.
As far as I know, I think the organisers maybe taking all the gates of the semis (& final) with the teams getting merit payments (which are not what they used be). I know the IRFU got 150K less for Leinster's last semi than Munster got the previous season when it was the Heineken Cup.
As far as I know, I think the organisers maybe taking all the gates of the semis (& final) with the teams getting merit payments (which are not what they used be). I know the IRFU got 150K less for Leinster's last semi than Munster got the previous season when it was the Heineken Cup.
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Who's taking over from Townsend at Glasgow?
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So its Sarries for us in the quarter final.
I am pleased about that, we have had to many games against Munster already this season and it means it is a lot easier for me to go to it in London (bit of self interest here)
Saracens have not played us any time recently and so that could be good for us as well.
Bring it on!
I am pleased about that, we have had to many games against Munster already this season and it means it is a lot easier for me to go to it in London (bit of self interest here)
Saracens have not played us any time recently and so that could be good for us as well.
Bring it on!
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Well chuffed with that result.
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So, which of you reprobates will be joining me at Allianz Park? I'll bring the gin, Sophia will bring the glamour, and Toonie will bring the win.
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IanBru wrote:So, which of you reprobates will be joining me at Allianz Park? I'll bring the gin, Sophia will bring the glamour, and Toonie will bring the win.
Will it be at Allianz Park, is it big enough?
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Maine man wrote:Who's taking over from Townsend at Glasgow?
Dave Rennie from the Chiefs has been confirmed. Only snag could be that South Africa were reportedly after him but that's gone quiet
Sarries is a good result, it could also end up being the most important match in Finn Russell's career. If he guides Glasgow past Saracens and Owen Farrell then there's no doubting his class, he can look forward to a Lions tour and big, big money sooner rather than later.
Glasgow must be fairly unique in having to play both of the previous years' finalists in a season.
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10k - getting tickets will be a struggle.BigGee wrote:IanBru wrote:So, which of you reprobates will be joining me at Allianz Park? I'll bring the gin, Sophia will bring the glamour, and Toonie will bring the win.
Will it be at Allianz Park, is it big enough?
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When ulster played saracens in the quarters a few years ago it was at Twickenham. Getting tickets was no problem.
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Eejit wrote:10k - getting tickets will be a struggle.BigGee wrote:IanBru wrote:So, which of you reprobates will be joining me at Allianz Park? I'll bring the gin, Sophia will bring the glamour, and Toonie will bring the win.
Will it be at Allianz Park, is it big enough?
That's why they might need to play it elsewhere, especially if one or two Scotsmen are planning to turn up! I thought there was a minimum size required for a quarter final and Allianz Park does not meet it.
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Maine man wrote:When ulster played saracens in the quarters a few years ago it was at Twickenham. Getting tickets was no problem.
I would have thought Twickers a bit to big, something around the 20-30K size would be better
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I'd be going to the Sarries game if it wasn't for that fact that I'll be away on my long overdue honeymoon!
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BigGee wrote:Eejit wrote:10k - getting tickets will be a struggle.BigGee wrote:IanBru wrote:So, which of you reprobates will be joining me at Allianz Park? I'll bring the gin, Sophia will bring the glamour, and Toonie will bring the win.
Will it be at Allianz Park, is it big enough?
That's why they might need to play it elsewhere, especially if one or two Scotsmen are planning to turn up! I thought there was a minimum size required for a quarter final and Allianz Park does not meet it.
They could go back to Watford for that game ?
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Have they played any European games at Wembley or was that just in the league?
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IanBru wrote:So, which of you reprobates will be joining me at Allianz Park? I'll bring the gin, Sophia will bring the glamour, and Toonie will bring the win.
After the games yesterday, I think if I can get some tickets, me and misses will be there
Much more fun for her this time, as she is a Leicester supporter
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What's the date for the quarters?
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whocares wrote:BigGee wrote:Eejit wrote:10k - getting tickets will be a struggle.BigGee wrote:IanBru wrote:So, which of you reprobates will be joining me at Allianz Park? I'll bring the gin, Sophia will bring the glamour, and Toonie will bring the win.
Will it be at Allianz Park, is it big enough?
That's why they might need to play it elsewhere, especially if one or two Scotsmen are planning to turn up! I thought there was a minimum size required for a quarter final and Allianz Park does not meet it.
They could go back to Watford for that game ?
Looks like Watford at home to Sunderland on the Saturday afternoon.
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Maine man wrote:What's the date for the quarters?
1 or 2 April
Not confirmed yet
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Trip down to London on the first week-end of April? Tempting
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Just seen on the Saracens website that they are planning to play the game at Allianz Park and will temporarily increase capacity to 15,000 for the occasion.
That makes sense and alleviates my concerns about being able to get tickets. Looking forward to it already.
That makes sense and alleviates my concerns about being able to get tickets. Looking forward to it already.
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Been very impressed by Glasgow. Been playing some very exciting rugby.
Will be interesting as you have one of the best defences in Europe vs one of the best attacks (yes I realise Munster have conceded less tries in Europe this season).
Saracens have been miserly though. Only 10 tries conceded in 13 AP games. 6 tries conceded in the European champions cup.
That's 16 tries conceded in 19 games.....
Other sides have been picking up the plaudits in the European Champions cup and domestic leagues this season but the juggernaut is just cruising along.
I am fascinated by some of the H2H battles like
Goode vs Hogg
Farrell vs Russell
Itoje vs Gray
If the Vunipola bros are back.....
Will be interesting also to see how Glasgow deal with their first quarter final. If I was the glasgow coaches I'd look at Saints and Wasps successful visits to Allianz Park for inspiration.
Will be interesting as you have one of the best defences in Europe vs one of the best attacks (yes I realise Munster have conceded less tries in Europe this season).
Saracens have been miserly though. Only 10 tries conceded in 13 AP games. 6 tries conceded in the European champions cup.
That's 16 tries conceded in 19 games.....
Other sides have been picking up the plaudits in the European Champions cup and domestic leagues this season but the juggernaut is just cruising along.
I am fascinated by some of the H2H battles like
Goode vs Hogg
Farrell vs Russell
Itoje vs Gray
If the Vunipola bros are back.....
Will be interesting also to see how Glasgow deal with their first quarter final. If I was the glasgow coaches I'd look at Saints and Wasps successful visits to Allianz Park for inspiration.
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Sarries will be overwhelming favourites for this but I hope it will be a barnstorming blood, guts and glory kind of game. Sarries are very effective at winning however and there is a fair chance that they'll strangle the life out of Glasgow and stop them before they get into full flow.
This will be the toughest test Glasgow will have ever faced - can they do it?
This will be the toughest test Glasgow will have ever faced - can they do it?
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The 6N is going to have a massive impact on this game as a lot of players from both teams are going to be heavily involved and the match is going to be 2 weeks after it is over. Quite a few of them probably won't play for their clubs again before then.
So injuries, form and moral will all play a big part in this one. Who is going to be left standing to play and who will have anything left in the tank?
So injuries, form and moral will all play a big part in this one. Who is going to be left standing to play and who will have anything left in the tank?
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BigGee except for the Vunipola bros who if they are match fit and fresh will be obviously big boosts to the Saracens team.
I think it's also interesting because you've got 4 Scotsman at Sarries, 2 who will be in the Scotland squad.
Friends in the 6 nations but not long after will be rivals.
RDW Scotland might look like that now but upsets happen and Glasgow have shown themselves to be a side capable of putting in a big performance. Artificial pitch won't worry them either. Sarries don't face too many sides used to it.
I think it's also interesting because you've got 4 Scotsman at Sarries, 2 who will be in the Scotland squad.
Friends in the 6 nations but not long after will be rivals.
RDW Scotland might look like that now but upsets happen and Glasgow have shown themselves to be a side capable of putting in a big performance. Artificial pitch won't worry them either. Sarries don't face too many sides used to it.
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Having won away in Paris and Leicester, I don't think travelling will hold any great fears for Glasgow. If they play like they did against Leicester then anything is possible.
The availability of Mako and Billy may be critical. Sarries are hanging tough and not losing games without them, but are not destroying teams the way they normally do. They are a different team without them.
The availability of Mako and Billy may be critical. Sarries are hanging tough and not losing games without them, but are not destroying teams the way they normally do. They are a different team without them.
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