Racing vs Glasgow & Stade vs Edinburgh

by EWT Spoons Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:03 pm

Trying something new.

Match thread for both games, together....as one. Could work like a dream, could be a total nightmare.

First up, Thursday 15/12

Racing vs Glasgow & Stade vs Edinburgh Stade_10

Racing vs Glasgow & Stade vs Edinburgh Stade_10

Racing vs Glasgow & Stade vs Edinburgh Jessie10

Stade Francais vs Edinburgh Rugby
15 December 2016
Kick off: 19:45
Venue: Stade Jean Bouin
TV: BeIn Sports

Referee Dudley Phillips (Ireland)
Touch Judge 1 Sean Gallagher (Ireland)
Touch Judge 2 Helen O'Reilly (Ireland)
TMO Kevin Beggs (Ireland)
Citing Commissioner Murray Whyte (Ireland)

Form:

10/12/16 Edinburgh Rugby 28 - 23 Stade Francais Paris
23/1/10 Edinburgh Rugby 9 - 7 Stade Francais Paris
10/10/09 Stade Francais Paris 31 - 7 Edinburgh Rugby

Teams:

Stade

15 Hugo Bonneval
14 Jérémy Sinzelle
13 Geoffrey Doumayrou
12 Jonathan Danty
11 Josaia Raisuqe
10 Jules Plisson
9 Clement Daguin

1 Emmanuel Felsina
2 Remi Bonfils
3 Rabah Slimani
4 Hugh Pyle
5 Pascal Papé (capt)
6 Jonathan Ross
7 Sekou Macalou
8 Sergio Parisse

16 Craig Burden
17 Zurabi Zhvania
18 Giorgi Melikidze
19 Mathieu De Giovanni
20 Sylvain Nicolas
21 Arthur Coville
22 Morné Steyn
23 Julien Arias

Edinburgh

15 Blair Kinghorn
14 Damien Hoyland
13 Michael Allen
12 Chris Dean
11 Tom Brown
10 Jason Tovey
9 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne

1 Alasdair Dickinson
2 Ross Ford (capt)
3 Simon Berghan
4 Fraser McKenzie
5 Ben Toolis
6 Cornell Du Preez
7 Hamish Watson
8 Nasi Manu

16 Neil Cochrane
17 Allan Dell
18 Murray McCallum
19 Lewis Carmichael
20 Viliame Mata
21 Sean Kennedy
22 Duncan Weir
23 Glenn Bryce

Next, Friday 16/12

Racing vs Glasgow & Stade vs Edinburgh Glasgo12

Racing vs Glasgow & Stade vs Edinburgh Glasgo12

Racing vs Glasgow & Stade vs Edinburgh Racing11

Glasgow Warriors v Racing 92
16 December 2016
KO: 19:45
Venue: Scotstoun Stadium
TV BeIn and BT Sport 2

Referee George Clancy (Ireland)
Touch Judge 1 Leo Colgan (Ireland)
Touch Judge 2 John Carvill (Ireland)
TMO Olly Hodges (Ireland)
Citing Commissioner Alberto Recaldini (Italy)

Form:

10/12/16 Racing 92 14 - 23 Glasgow Warriors
23/1/16 Glasgow Warriors 22 - 5 Racing 92
9/1/16 Racing 92 34 - 10 Glasgow Warriors

Teams:

Racing
Some bunch of vastly overpaid players

Glasgow
A selection of players who are uncertain as to what the purpose of soap and water is

by **RDW** Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:04 pm

2 threads in one - what is this madness?? Shocked

by **BigGee** Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:14 pm

I finished night shifts this morning so just been chilling out watching some rugby from the weekend.

Munster certainly gave some hammering to Leicester, even more than we did to be honest. If they keep on playing like that then they will take some stopping this year.

Interestingly the pundits, Healey, Wallace and O'Callaghan all reckoned that Racing are already out having taken nothing from their first two games and that they won't fully commit from here on in, especially in away games. The maths is certainly against them and is hard to see how they can qualify from here, so it will be interesting to see what kind of team they do put out.

If they do lose again this weekend, then they almost certainly will give up and it is hard to see Munster not winning the group then. Our best hope of winning the group is from Leicester giving some sort of reaction this weekend. Some of the Leicester players and their coaching staff may be playing for their careers, so that might happen. It is hard to state just how poor they were in that match against Munster and that won't be tolerated in such a famous club for any length of time.

by EWT Spoons Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:23 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:2 threads in one - what is this madness??

I'm streamlining. Mostly because I don't believe there are huge numbers of Racing or Stade Francais rugby fans on the forum (apologies if there are hoards of you just waiting for a decent match thread to comment on and feel let down... again), and figured chances are the folk commenting would be the same folk regardless of the game.

I suspect this trial will be a one off and I'll be pilloried for this monstrosity.

by Tattie Scones RRN Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:25 pm

Pape will be meeting Burleigh off the bus.

by R!skysports Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:30 pm

Madness, it is madness

Although I can understand it.

It will be the only time the Edinburgh fans can be part of a discussion about good Scottish rugby

by funnyExiledScot Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:37 pm

Riskysports wrote:Madness, it is madness

Although I can understand it.

It will be the only time the Edinburgh fans can be part of a discussion about good Scottish rugby

What about the Scotland threads? Oh, hang on!

by Hazel Sapling Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:49 pm

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:Pape will be meeting Burleigh off the bus.

Will probably fall over and claim he was pushed.

In all seriousness Stade will probably win because Edinburgh can't put 2 games together and it is a home match.

Edinburgh should swap the props around and start Tovey ahead of Weir even if Hodge likes half-back pairings. Burleigh should start if available, if not Dean. Brown or Scholes should start ahead of Helu.

Racing should not think they are out. They lost at home and away. IF they beat Glasgow in Glasgow, they have got a home game vs Leicester, a home game vs Munster and potentially the decider away to Munster who could already be through. That is tough but doable. Should they lose then they are done. Leicester should preferably draw against Munster for a 2-2 split to eliminate Leicester before they come to Glasgow and weaken Munster at the home game.

I expect a similar line-up to last time for Glasgow. It worked well and no one is getting healthy who is automatic to start. Maybe Pyrgos ahead of Price?

by **BigGee** Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:10 pm

It will be tough for Racing. It is not just that they have lost but that they have taken nothing from those games, currently on nil points. They are pretty much going to have to take 5 points from every game now and that won't be easy if even possible.

Once they are mathematically out, I am pretty sure that they won't turn up. They may not be quite out yet, but you can't see them winning the group and can they realistically score 4 tries at in Limerick and Glasgow. It seems unlikely.

by jimbopip Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:11 pm

EWT Spoons wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:2 threads in one - what is this madness??

I'm streamlining. Mostly because I don't believe there are huge numbers of Racing or Stade Francais rugby fans on the forum (apologies if there are hoards of you just waiting for a decent match thread to comment on and feel let down... again), and figured chances are the folk commenting would be the same folk regardless of the game.

I suspect this trial will be a one off and I'll be pilloried for this monstrosity.

Are you Schlong in disguise?

Also, is there any truth in the rumour that the Library echoed to the sounds of fans serenading Stade Francais with a chorus of "Are you Luvvies in disguise?"

by **RDW** Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:13 pm

jimbopip wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:2 threads in one - what is this madness??

I'm streamlining. Mostly because I don't believe there are huge numbers of Racing or Stade Francais rugby fans on the forum (apologies if there are hoards of you just waiting for a decent match thread to comment on and feel let down... again), and figured chances are the folk commenting would be the same folk regardless of the game.

I suspect this trial will be a one off and I'll be pilloried for this monstrosity.

Are you Schlong in disguise?

Also, is there any truth in the rumour that the Library echoed to the sounds of fans serenading Stade Francais with a chorus of "Are you Luvvies in disguise?"

Absolutely not - that would constitute a chant, which is strictly frowned upon at Edinburgh games

by **George Carlin** Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:14 pm

Policy adopted. This will save me so much time.

by jimbopip Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:24 pm

BigGee wrote:It will be tough for Racing. It is not just that they have lost but that they have taken nothing from those games, currently on nil points. They are pretty much going to have to take 5 points from every game now and that won't be easy if even possible.

Once they are mathematically out, I am pretty sure that they won't turn up. They may not be quite out yet, but you can't see them winning the group and can they realistically score 4 tries at in Limerick and Glasgow. It seems unlikely.

Gee, even if Racing get 4X5 pts they still only have 20pts. Munster can lose to twice to Racing but still pick up 14 points with LBP's so end up on 24pts. Racing would be lucky to go through as best runner up then. Realistically they are out. As a rule French teams don't travel well and even less so when they have nothing to play for. They are out. As out as Graham Norton in a dress at MFL AGM.

So, if the once and future champions win on Friday then do we prefer Munster to have beaten Tiggers? Probably as that means they are out and should have nothing to play for when we visit Welford Rd.

Munster's visit to Scotstoun would be one to be at then.

by **BigGee** Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:03 pm

I agree Jim, I can't see Racing winning the group and they would need a real turn of results to qualify as runners up.

Unfortunately I can't see us winning the group either, unless Tiggers rediscover some form we have not seen this weekend and Munster come away with nothing. Even if we beat them on the return to Scotstoun, 4 tries seems in the realm of fantasy at the moment and our failure to take anything from that fateful day in Limerick is likely to cost us.

A best runners up spot though is still definitely in the ball park though. If we can just win the rest of our home games and maybe take anything from our trip to Leicester, which I am hoping to go to!

by jimbopip Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:49 pm

Graham,I have just finished talking with The Schizoid One. He and lady Schiz are coming down for Leicester. I'm deffo going up, most likely being driven by the Feckless Rogue. If you want a lift let me know. Also, Glasgow ticket office are working on the basis that the match is on the Saturday.

by **BigGee** Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:00 pm

jimbopip wrote:Graham,I have just finished talking with The Schizoid One. He and lady Schiz are coming down for Leicester. I'm deffo going up, most likely being driven by the Feckless Rogue. If you want a lift let me know. Also, Glasgow ticket office are working on the basis that the match is on the Saturday.

That's good to know. I have kept the whole weekend free so far and I don't imagine getting tickets will be a problem. Can't really see many scenarios where Leicester are still going to be live at this point. I dare say they will still have pride and contracts to play for though!

by EWT Spoons Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:23 pm

George Carlin wrote:Policy adopted. This will save me so much time.

You are welcome.

by IanBru Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:05 am

jimbopip wrote:Graham,I have just finished talking with The Schizoid One. He and lady Schiz are coming down for Leicester. I'm deffo going up, most likely being driven by the Feckless Rogue. If you want a lift let me know. Also, Glasgow ticket office are working on the basis that the match is on the Saturday.

Hagia Sophia and I will be there, buddy. I made some friends among Leicester supporters in the 02 Tent at England v Fiji, so they've invited us. Who knew wearing a Scotland shirt and a Fiji flag as a cape would get you on stage with Ugo Monye? Of course, the people in the tent sounded like they were booing, but they were obviously shouting "Boo-urns". I'm assuming they wre Leicester fans - they love Freddie.

by **RDW** Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:06 am

IanBru wrote:
jimbopip wrote:Graham,I have just finished talking with The Schizoid One. He and lady Schiz are coming down for Leicester. I'm deffo going up, most likely being driven by the Feckless Rogue. If you want a lift let me know. Also, Glasgow ticket office are working on the basis that the match is on the Saturday.
Hagia Sophia and I will be there, buddy. I made some friends among Leicester supporters in the 02 Tent at England v Fiji, so they've invited us. Who knew wearing a Scotland shirt and a Fiji flag as a cape would get you on stage with Ugo Monye? Of course, the people in the tent sounded like they were booing, but they were obviously shouting "Boo-urns". I'm assuming they wre Leicester fans - they love Freddie.

Love this. Laugh

by Hazel Sapling Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:24 am

Glasgow have Clancy and Edinburgh have Dudley Phillips. Racing are now big favourites.

by **RDW** Wed Dec 14, 2016 12:06 pm

Edinburgh are really going for it with this team selection - that is one hell of a meaty pack! The backline already looks better with Tovey in there too

Edinburgh Rugby Acting Head Coach Duncan Hodge has made eight changes to his starting side to face Stade Francais in the second of back-to-back European Challenge cup fixture against the Parisian outfit tomorrow at Stade Jean Bouin (kick-off 8.45pm local).

Tom Brown returns to the starting side

The majority of changes come in the pack where five players come in to start following Saturday’s round four 28-23 defeat of the French side.

In the front-row Simon Berghan and Ross Ford – who will captain the side – are promoted from the bench to start, while Fraser McKenzie is named in the pack in place of Grant Gilchrist.

Nasi Manu is set to don the number eight shirt while Cornell Du Preez packs down on the blindside flank.

Tom Brown returns from a groin injury to start on the wing in the only change to the back-three, with Chris Dean coming in at inside centre and Jason Tovey given the nod at stand-off.

Acting Head Coach Duncan Hodge said: “ Following Saturday’s clash at BT Murrayfield, we are fully aware of the challenge we face as we head over to Paris to take on Stade [Francais] on their home patch.

“It’ll be tough and physical, but the fight we showed to come back from a 17-point deficit in last week’s affair shows the character this squad possess.

“We’ve made a couple of changes to the side with a number of players meriting selection after impressing off the bench on Saturday, and we’re looking forward to them backing this up again in tomorrow’s game.”

Blair Kinghorn and Damien Hoyland continue in the back-three alongside the incoming Brown, while Michael Allen retains his spot in the outside centre berth partnering Dean in midfield.

Man-of-the-match in Saturday’s victory over Stade Francais, Sam Hidalgo-Clyne, joins Tovey to complete the half-back duo.

Alasdair Dickinson is named at loosehead prop with Ford and Berghan at hooker and tighthead prop respectively.

McKenzie is joined by Ben Toolis at lock, and Hamish Watson continues on the openside flank to complete the back-row alongside Du Preez and Manu.

Edinburgh Rugby team to play Stade Francais in the European Rugby Challenge Cup at Stade Jean Bouin tomorrow (Thursday 15 December, kick-off 8.45pm local)

15. Blair Kinghorn

14. Damien Hoyland
13. Michael Allen
12. Chris Dean
11. Tom Brown

10. Jason Tovey
9. Sam Hidalgo-Clyne

1. Alasdair Dickinson
2. Ross Ford CAPTAIN
3. Simon Berghan
4. Fraser McKenzie
5. Ben Toolis
6. Cornell Du Preez
7. Hamish Watson
8. Nasi Manu

Replacements

16. Neil Cochrane
17. Allan Dell
18. Murray
McCallum
19. Lewis Carmichael
20. Viliame Mata
21. Sean Kennedy
22. Duncan Weir
23. Glenn Bryce

Players unavailable due to injury: Anton Bresler (groin), Kevin Bryce (shoulder), John Hardie (ankle), WP Nel (neck), Alex Northam (Achilles), Rory Sutherland (groin)

by Hazel Sapling Wed Dec 14, 2016 12:09 pm

No Bradbury?

Big pack. Bench is a little squiffy.

by **RDW** Wed Dec 14, 2016 12:10 pm

Hazel Sapling wrote:No Bradbury?

Big pack. Bench is a little squiffy.

He's had a lot of rugby lately so is probably being rested so that he can show Josh Strauss how to play rugby on Boxing Day.

by Mad for Chelsea Wed Dec 14, 2016 12:12 pm

Got tickets to the Glasgow game as an early birthday present, very excited, hoping for a similarly good performance to last week Very Happy

by **George Carlin** Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:27 am

Glasgow are being graced by Sir George of Clownshoes, who who knows what the fark is going to happen.

by Mad for Chelsea Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:40 am

George Carlin wrote:Glasgow are being graced by Sir George of Clownshoes, who who knows what the fark is going to happen.

Oh dear.

by nickj Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:18 am

I think I've asked this before, but how does one get or watch BeIN sports?

by **RDW** Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:21 am

nickj wrote:I think I've asked this before, but how does one get or watch BeIN sports?

Normally just Google it with the words 'live stream' after and see what comes up - be careful what you click! The usual websites will probably be showing it too.

I'll be looking for a link tonight, as will other people I'm sure, so we can help each other out.

by EWT Spoons Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:23 am

There are some streaming sites that will have a link. If you need one, let me know and I'll send you it via PM

Failing that try using a VPN and go via their website

by nickj Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:24 am

Thanks gents

by **RDW** Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:26 am

Just make sure you've got Adblock installed and anti-virus software of some kind and don't trust anyone who says they can make your 'little nicky' bigger!

by Mad for Chelsea Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:31 am

what others have said. Usually fairly easy to find a stream, I have a few go-to sites which usually work fine. And definitely have some sort of ad-blocker and anti-virus software installed.

by IanBru Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:14 pm

Hell's bells, Glasgow unchanged except for Strauss replacing the injured Italian Exocet and Fusaro coming onto the bench - Wilson moves to openside.

100 caps for Strauss - how the hell has he been here five seasons? If I recall, it was back in when I first got my season-ticket. Feels like yesterday.

by **RDW** Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:18 pm

IanBru wrote:Hell's bells, Glasgow unchanged except for Strauss replacing the injured Italian Exocet and Fusaro coming onto the bench - Wilson moves to openside.

100 caps for Strauss - how the hell has he been here five seasons? If I recall, it was back in when I first got my season-ticket. Feels like yesterday.

Depends what you class as 'here' - for the last season and a half he's been more of a passenger based on his performances on the pitch!

by **BigGee** Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:26 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
IanBru wrote:Hell's bells, Glasgow unchanged except for Strauss replacing the injured Italian Exocet and Fusaro coming onto the bench - Wilson moves to openside.

100 caps for Strauss - how the hell has he been here five seasons? If I recall, it was back in when I first got my season-ticket. Feels like yesterday.

Depends what you class as 'here' - for the last season and a half he's been more of a passenger based on his performances on the pitch!

That's a bit strong, he may not have hit some of his early strides, nor the pro-12 final recently but he never really has a bad game. I think age and injuries are catching up with him a little bit now but he is still a very good player.

by Hazel Sapling Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:53 pm

Favaro being injured is a big test. Favaro was excellent against Racing and balances the back row. Wilson seems to get himself in a lot more trouble at 7.

by Hazel Sapling Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:58 pm

Racing side

Afatia
Chat
Tameifuna
Grobler
VDM
Lauret
Masoe
Naka

Machenaud
Carter
Andreu
Tuitavake
Laulala
Thomas
Dulin

Szar, Ben Arous, Gomes SA, Dubarry, Claassen, Chauveau, Dambielle, Rokocoko

by Hazel Sapling Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:03 pm

Racing have gone for as big a pack as they can manage. No real 7 so missing Favaro becomes even worse. The scrum is going to be huge test. Grobler coming on got the Racing scrum moving forward and is probably the reason Naka has been pushed back to 8. Will Harley and Gray manage 50 tackles between them? More practically Glasgow have to win the turnover battle and sadly, with Clancy, it is unlikely to happen.

One big thing in Glasgow's favour are the wings changing to Andreu and Thomas, who are good wings in their own right but are nowhere near Roko and Imhoff.

by **RDW** Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:22 pm

BigGee wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:
IanBru wrote:Hell's bells, Glasgow unchanged except for Strauss replacing the injured Italian Exocet and Fusaro coming onto the bench - Wilson moves to openside.

100 caps for Strauss - how the hell has he been here five seasons? If I recall, it was back in when I first got my season-ticket. Feels like yesterday.

Depends what you class as 'here' - for the last season and a half he's been more of a passenger based on his performances on the pitch!

That's a bit strong, he may not have hit some of his early strides, nor the pro-12 final recently but he never really has a bad game. I think age and injuries are catching up with him a little bit now but he is still a very good player.

Apologies I was doing a Jimbo and doing a bit of fishing. Looks like I got a bite!

by **BigGee** Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:27 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
BigGee wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:
IanBru wrote:Hell's bells, Glasgow unchanged except for Strauss replacing the injured Italian Exocet and Fusaro coming onto the bench - Wilson moves to openside.

100 caps for Strauss - how the hell has he been here five seasons? If I recall, it was back in when I first got my season-ticket. Feels like yesterday.

Depends what you class as 'here' - for the last season and a half he's been more of a passenger based on his performances on the pitch!

That's a bit strong, he may not have hit some of his early strides, nor the pro-12 final recently but he never really has a bad game. I think age and injuries are catching up with him a little bit now but he is still a very good player.

Apologies I was doing a Jimbo and doing a bit of fishing. Looks like I got a bite!

Some jokes are just not funny!!!!

by Tattie Scones RRN Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:28 pm

nickj wrote:I think I've asked this before, but how does one get or watch BeIN sports?

One time, at band camp, someone told me about an android apk app called Mobdro.

Apparently it gives you all sports channels from everywhere round the globe incl. the UK satellite ones.

by **BigGee** Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:39 pm

Joking aside, that is a pretty beefy pack and you get the feeling that they might be looking to go route one this time.

Going to be a massive test for our front 5 but if we can get some sort of parity up front we may be able to run the big lads around on the plastic pitch and tire them out. I know that means that they are just going to bring some more big lads on but it may be our best chance.

I am not sure playing Leone at 8 works best, he is just a bit to loose and is always tempted to go for the off load instaed of just making hard yards. We tried it a few times and it never worked that well. I guess they may swap around at the defensive sets and move him to the flank. Masoe could easily interchange with him.

One thing is clear that they don't seem to be giving up on the match

by **George Carlin** Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:02 pm

Avoiders of Cleaning Products:

Stuart Hogg, Tommy Seymour, Alex Dunbar, Sam Johnson, Lee Jones, Finn Russell, Ali Price; Gordon Reid, Fraser Brown, Zander Fagerson, Tim Swinson, Jonny Gray (capt), Rob Harley, Ryan Wilson, Josh Strauss.

Replacements: Corey Flynn, Alex Allan, Sila Puafisi, Brian Alainu'uese, Chris Fusaro, Henry Pyrgos, Mark Bennett, Sean Lamont.

by TJ Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:06 pm

nickj wrote:I think I've asked this before, but how does one get or watch BeIN sports?

again I have some go to sites I use. PM me if links needed.

by **RDW** Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:52 pm

Anyone got a working link?

by EWT Spoons Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:01 pm

No can't find one currently

by **RDW** Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:02 pm

It is on BEin sport 16 if that helps - my usual one is showing football!

by EWT Spoons Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:05 pm

There does't appear to be a BeIn sport 16

by **RDW** Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:05 pm

I've got one but it is full of ads

by EWT Spoons Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:06 pm

can you pm me it please mate

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