Racing vs Glasgow & Stade vs Edinburgh

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Trying something new.

Match thread for both games, together....as one.  Could work like a dream, could be a total nightmare.

First up, Thursday 15/12

                  
Stade Francais vs Edinburgh Rugby
15 December 2016
Kick off: 19:45
Venue: Stade Jean Bouin
TV: BeIn Sports

Referee Dudley Phillips (Ireland)
Touch Judge 1 Sean Gallagher (Ireland)
Touch Judge 2 Helen O'Reilly (Ireland)
TMO Kevin Beggs (Ireland)
Citing Commissioner Murray Whyte (Ireland)

Form:

10/12/16 Edinburgh Rugby 28 - 23 Stade Francais Paris
23/1/10 Edinburgh Rugby 9 - 7 Stade Francais Paris
10/10/09 Stade Francais Paris 31 - 7 Edinburgh Rugby

Teams:

Stade

15 Hugo Bonneval
14 Jérémy Sinzelle
13 Geoffrey Doumayrou
12 Jonathan Danty
11 Josaia Raisuqe
10 Jules Plisson
9 Clement Daguin

1 Emmanuel Felsina
2 Remi Bonfils
3 Rabah Slimani
4 Hugh Pyle
5 Pascal Papé (capt)
6 Jonathan Ross
7 Sekou Macalou
8 Sergio Parisse

16 Craig Burden
17 Zurabi Zhvania
18 Giorgi Melikidze
19 Mathieu De Giovanni
20 Sylvain Nicolas
21 Arthur Coville
22 Morné Steyn
23 Julien Arias

Edinburgh

15 Blair Kinghorn
14 Damien Hoyland
13 Michael Allen
12 Chris Dean
11 Tom Brown
10 Jason Tovey
9 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne

1 Alasdair Dickinson
2 Ross Ford (capt)
3 Simon Berghan
4 Fraser McKenzie
5 Ben Toolis
6 Cornell Du Preez
7 Hamish Watson
8 Nasi Manu

16 Neil Cochrane
17 Allan Dell
18 Murray McCallum
19 Lewis Carmichael
20 Viliame Mata
21 Sean Kennedy
22 Duncan Weir
23 Glenn Bryce

Next,  Friday 16/12

                   
Glasgow Warriors v Racing 92
16 December 2016
KO: 19:45
Venue: Scotstoun Stadium
TV BeIn and BT Sport 2

Referee George Clancy (Ireland)
Touch Judge 1 Leo Colgan (Ireland)
Touch Judge 2 John Carvill (Ireland)
TMO Olly Hodges (Ireland)
Citing Commissioner Alberto Recaldini (Italy)

Form:

10/12/16 Racing 92 14 - 23 Glasgow Warriors
23/1/16 Glasgow Warriors 22 - 5 Racing 92
9/1/16 Racing 92 34 - 10 Glasgow Warriors

Teams:

Racing
Some bunch of vastly overpaid players

Glasgow
A selection of players who are uncertain as to what the purpose of soap and water is

FFS Pape actually just tried to do it again!!

He was in a ruck and Edinburgh got a penalty - SHC lightly tapped him on the head and he rolled about like he'd been punched.

What a douche.

12.3 down - like last week their big runners are punching huge holes in our defence

Thanks for the link

Stade 13 was so far off his feet right in front at the ref before Stade got their 2nd try, but totally ignored by the officials.

Their back are absolutely ripping us to shreds - heroic last ditch tackle from Tom Brown

Could you pm me the link too please.

Big blow for Edinburgh - Glen Bryce is on..

Maybe don't bother with the link then.

Cheers.

Stade push our scum over the line like our props weren't even there - that's a front row with Dickinson, Ford and Berghan.

Berghan has been yellow carded

19-3

this is pretty much an exact repeat of last week, except I really can't see us pulling our way back into this one!

Could be a heavy defeat at this rate

Glen Bryce really is awful.

Promising counter attack ends with him dropping a simple pass into touch.

Stade rip us to shreds again - 26-3

Well if we can come back from 20-3 down, 19-3 should be a cakewalk.

RDW_Scotland wrote:Stade rip us to shreds again - 26-3

I'm really far behind ain't I

Hamish Watson and Tom Brown the only ones showing some fight here

Lots of huffing and puffing in thei 22 without getting anywhere - we get turned over

Well worked try Edinburgh - patient buildup and finally a try at the end of it!

I really don't know why Tovey keeps taking our kicks - SHC is a far more consistent kicker

All Edinburgh this half but jsut too big a gap to make up

Gutted-incredible break from Kinghorn but the ball is slapped out hs hands as he crosses the line!

Another Edinburgh try from Mata after a great line -one more try for a BP!

Once again Weir kicks out on the full...

Is Wier the worst stand off we've ever had?

shine a light - I forgot it was tonight! Sorry about the linky promise chaps - thought it was tomorrow!

found a link for the last ten mins

All Edinburgh this half - Stade haven't done very much and have made a lot of mistakes.

Such a shame we gave them such a big lead.

If Glasgow fans are hoping for a better Tigers display this weekend they might get it. We tend to be less awful at home and Welford Rd rammed to the rafters and completely partisan does tend to help. I suspect the players will also be worried about being lynched should they roll over at home like they did away.

Try Edinburgh!!

try edinburgh. 2 mins left tho

last play - stade throw near halfway

edinburgh steal the throw then knock on. LBP tho

Losing BP for Edinburgh, which is actually a very good result given how badly beaten we were in the first half.

We can't just keep giving teams massive leads and only playing when we are 20 points down!

Duncan Hodge going into the changing room after that game:

"Seriously guys, what the **** was that?"

Makes for good tv. Hopefully this is not a sign of things to come to make up for last weekend's Scottish glory.

Weir, at one point, was a decent club 10. Is he trying too much or does he need to go somewhere he is not guaranteed to get plenty of game time to push him on?

Hazel Sapling wrote:Makes for good tv. Hopefully this is not a sign of things to come to make up for last weekend's Scottish glory.

Weir, at one point, was a decent club 10. Is he trying too much or does he need to go somewhere he is not guaranteed to get plenty of game time to push him on?

Did he not leave somewhere he wasn't guaranteed gametime to come somewhere were he was going to get more games, as per the SRU request.

I just think we (the SRU) need to accept he's just not very good. He's a backup player at best.

EWT Spoons wrote:

Hazel Sapling wrote:Makes for good tv. Hopefully this is not a sign of things to come to make up for last weekend's Scottish glory.

Weir, at one point, was a decent club 10. Is he trying too much or does he need to go somewhere he is not guaranteed to get plenty of game time to push him on?

Did he not leave somewhere he wasn't guaranteed gametime to come somewhere were he was going to get more games, as per the SRU request.

I just think we (the SRU) need to accept he's just not very good.  He's a backup player at best.

To what?

Riskysports wrote:

EWT Spoons wrote:

Hazel Sapling wrote:Makes for good tv. Hopefully this is not a sign of things to come to make up for last weekend's Scottish glory.

Weir, at one point, was a decent club 10. Is he trying too much or does he need to go somewhere he is not guaranteed to get plenty of game time to push him on?

Did he not leave somewhere he wasn't guaranteed gametime to come somewhere were he was going to get more games, as per the SRU request.

I just think we (the SRU) need to accept he's just not very good.  He's a backup player at best.

To what?

No idea, but someone clearly thinks he can do some kind of job, I'm not sure what it is though

Weir - career so far blighted by 3 seasons in a row spoiled by injury and spending too much time on the bench. He had great potential - see his masterminding of the B team against the saxons. what 4 years ago now? Now he is in real danger of not fulfilling his talent. Yes he needs gametime and confidence. I had hoped the move to Edinburgh would do it.

TJ wrote:Weir - career so far blighted by 3 seasons in a row spoiled by injury and spending too much time on the bench.  He had great potential - see his masterminding of the B team against the saxons. what 4 years ago now? Now he is in real danger of not fulfilling his talent.  Yes he needs gametime  and confidence.  I had hoped the move to Edinburgh would do it.  

To be fair, that game is an anomaly, nothing he has done since has been near that level. I think we need to forget that game, because if that was genuinely his ability then he would have shown something like that again.

He's 25 now and should in theory be approaching his peak over the next couple of years. I'm not saying we write him off, because Scotland can't afford too, but we can't keep giving him a career. Glasgow made it clear they don't need him, Edinburgh only need him because he's one of two standoffs at the club, but if someone else was brought in then arguably he could be let go, certainly out of him and Tovey, from an Edinburgh perspective, I'd prefer to keep Tovey.

TJ wrote:Weir - career so far blighted by 3 seasons in a row spoiled by injury and spending too much time on the bench.  He had great potential - see his masterminding of the B team against the saxons. what 4 years ago now? Now he is in real danger of not fulfilling his talent.  Yes he needs gametime  and confidence.  I had hoped the move to Edinburgh would do it.  

TJ wrote:Weir - career so far blighted by 3 seasons in a row spoiled by injury and spending too much time on the bench.  He had great potential - see his masterminding of the B team against the saxons. what 4 years ago now? Now he is in real danger of not fulfilling his talent.  Yes he needs gametime  and confidence.  I had hoped the move to Edinburgh would do it.  

Talk about hanging a reputation on one game.....

He has done nothing since and in fact is generally terrible.....

I did say before his move to Edinburgh I would be happy to see him go and play for a small english or French team - simply so he could get the game time and hopefully regain the confidence.

I just think he has more talent than we have seen. But is in danger of never fulfilling that talent which is a real shame for him and for us

Yes he should be at his peak now. He isn't.

Be interesting to see if Glasgow were willing to give Edinburgh Clegg to bring in someone like Hastings as a 3rd 10 or bring in a young NZ 10 with Scots heritage (looking at Rennie and Lineen). Dual register with LS to build playing time. Edinburgh get an established 10 who can kick.

Weir has not kicked on and maybe we should wait until the end of the season to see if he can build some kind of form. I am irritated that as a kicking 10, he seems to have moved away and gotten weaker on that side of his game.

I think we've had enough rank average fly halves from Glasgow for the foreseeable future thanks. We'll take Hastings instead

TheMildlyFranticLlama wrote:I think we've had enough rank average fly halves from Glasgow for the foreseeable future thanks. We'll take Hastings instead

And do what with him? Teach him to play ten-man rugby and ignore the outside backs? The old joke among Warriors fans that Edinburgh is where average Glasgow players go to seem great is more true than ever.

Yes, I'm aware that I'm setting myself up to look a total fool after the 1872 Cup. Then again, the point of difference between the teams last year was Matt Scott playing for 80 minutes like Ben Smith, so I'm not too worried about this year.

The slightly annoying thing is that Edinburgh, having been happy to play rubbish against everyone else this season, will probably decide it is worth turning up against Glasgow on Boxing day. Unfortunatley for them, their season is not going to be defined by the two derby games.

3 wins for Glasgow over the festive period, which should be entirely possible will put us right back in league contention and that is very much what we are hoping for. I guess tonight will show us if our form has returned for good or not!

Hazel Sapling wrote:Be interesting to see if Glasgow were willing to give Edinburgh Clegg to bring in someone like Hastings as a 3rd 10 or bring in a young NZ 10 with Scots heritage (looking at Rennie and Lineen). Dual register with LS to build playing time. Edinburgh get an established 10 who can kick.

Weir has not kicked on and maybe we should wait until the end of the season to see if he can build some kind of form. I am irritated that as a kicking 10, he seems to have moved away and gotten weaker on that side of his game.

What, Te Rure back again? RDW is going to love that.

IanBru wrote:

TheMildlyFranticLlama wrote:I think we've had enough rank average fly halves from Glasgow for the foreseeable future thanks. We'll take Hastings instead

And do what with him? Teach him to play ten-man rugby and ignore the outside backs? The old joke among Warriors fans that Edinburgh is where average Glasgow players go to seem great is more true than ever.

Yes, I'm aware that I'm setting myself up to look a total fool after the 1872 Cup. Then again, the point of difference between the teams last year was Matt Scott playing for 80 minutes like Ben Smith, so I'm not too worried about this year.

Is it?  Does that joke even work?  I only ask because we have offloaded Kellock, Grant (former B&I lion....now not so much), Kennedy on loan who looked phenomenal at Glasgow and less good at Edinburgh, Alex Allan and Lee Jones in semi recent years, all of whom at the time were deemed not good enough for Edinburgh.  In return you gave us Weir, who looks just as cr*p now as he did at Glasgow, Kevin & Glenn Bryce, again both who don't really seem to offer anything.

If anything the opposite is true.