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Irony?

Okay - what comedian decided to set the editor to display "Duck" instead of "T.r.u.m.p"?

SecretFly wrote:

Hero wrote:Or that's what they want you to believe (will be the response from the tinfoils).

Just call it first (or second if you count Brexit) strike against the Illuminati?

That sounds better.  You're all too young obviously to have watched 'V'.  - Now we wait to intercept reinforcements from Planet Altose and use that secret undercover Raygun at Cern to kill them off for good.

Why all so glum?  We're on the home run of taking back our planet...finally.

Funny - I was under the impression Brexit (as it stands now) was a strike FOR the Illuminati (a.k.a the Remainers).

We made a bid for freedom from the tyranny of the EU, then they went and slammed the door in our faces.

Have the college kids finished crying yet? Imagine being told what to think by these emotionally damaged snowflakes.
First the tears, now they're throwing the tantrum.


You'll also notice since Duck got the presidency, about 99% of people interviewed seem to be anti Duck. Just keep trying to ignore the other half of the population.

dyrewolfe wrote:Is it just me, or is anyone else scratching their heads over Duck's sudden and dramatic change in persona?...

Maybe he's an inveterate liar? Or maybe he's still lying? Maybe he always lies? Either way, I don't think you could believe a single syllable he utters.

dyrewolfe wrote:Okay - what comedian decided to set the editor to display "Duck" instead of "T.r.u.m.p"?

It's arguably the best thing I've ever done

I'm not seeing many contenders

Duck's going to find it tough to pay the bill for the wall.

superflyweight wrote:Duck's going to find it tough to pay the bill for the wall.

He can just use cheap immigrant labour.

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:

dyrewolfe wrote:Okay - what comedian decided to set the editor to display "Duck" instead of "T.r.u.m.p"?

It's arguably the best thing I've ever done

I wouldn't disagree...

navyblueshorts wrote:

dyrewolfe wrote:Is it just me, or is anyone else scratching their heads over Duck's sudden and dramatic change in persona?...

Maybe he's an inveterate liar? Or maybe he's still lying? Maybe he always lies? Either way, I don't think you could believe a single syllable he utters.

I guess time will tell. He is sounding more moderate and reasonable, at least.

He has also taken his first steps towards the Dark Side (becoming a career politician) by toning down some of his election policies. Not scrapping Obamacare, reviewing immigration policy, rather than building a wall.

He's still said he wants a wall, though part of it will just be a fence now.

We're already aware there are already versions of the wall already up?

Who built them?

Hero wrote:He's still said he wants a wall, though part of it will just be a fence now.

Probably because the Mexicans are so hard-up they can't afford a full wall.

The Mexicans WILL build the wall, 'cause they know they have to be the ones who also build the secret tunnels under it.

The Cartels will be rushing to get their 'construction' sectors involved - at competitive knockdown prices too! That Trump, he has all angles covered - except the holes.

I thought Trump liked the Mexicans. Didn't he say they were therapists?

JuliusHMarx wrote:I thought Trump liked the Mexicans. Didn't he say they were therapists?

No. He did say they were therapists but disliked them as they was muscling in on his territory

Are you two bigoted against White Bubba (albeit via New York) types?

Dear God, the Twit-tease Clintonites will be shocked and tearful to hear such slurs. They want a country of interconnected love and usurpation of higher states of tolerance in a climate of rainbow harmony!

In brief, less of the Trump insults!

Would it help to know I've considered Trump to be a bit of an idiot for about 30 years?

No...that's going to cause some deep and serious mental issues for the young Clinton revolutionaries who love cats, ribbons, Miley Cyrus and Posh Spice Fashion.

Would it help to know that I once walked past Trump Tower and briefly looked at it?

dyrewolfe wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

dyrewolfe wrote:Is it just me, or is anyone else scratching their heads over Duck's sudden and dramatic change in persona?...

Maybe he's an inveterate liar? Or maybe he's still lying? Maybe he always lies? Either way, I don't think you could believe a single syllable he utters.

I guess time will tell. He is sounding more moderate and reasonable, at least.

He has also taken his first steps towards the Dark Side (becoming a career politician) by toning down some of his election policies. Not scrapping Obamacare, reviewing immigration policy, rather than building a wall.

So, he flat-out lied then. One may as well put names in a hat and draw one at random to vote for.

I always found it interesting that "career politicians" are so frowned-upon. Certainly some of them use their positions to line their own pockets but most have dedicated their lives to serving the public. Whether you agree with their politics is beside the point with regard to this discussion.

I only recently found it interesting that at one moment people can discuss issues in the general and then at other times swing violently into the particular.

I think the notion of a "career politician" is a general theory/concept and it is often debated knowing that it's a discussion of a generality.  

There will always be the particular, where you'll find absolute genuine hanger-on, lifeless "career politicians" doing as little as they can, with not a vocational idea left in their heads - doing it to pay mortgages or keep themselves in the lifestyle they've become accustomed to ----- and then of course there are the exceptions, people who still have the drive and passion to serve the community they come from, still full of ideas and arguments about how best to achieve that and genuinely emotionally attached to their job.

But why do we find it so hard to accept that the term "career politician" is specifically designed to ignore the dignified and passionate one and to instead fixate solely on the slovenly, the lazy, the little bit dodgy or corrupt, money-creaming one.

That's the lads we mean, Pr4!

Jeremy Corbyn is a career politician. But he's neither lazy, lifeless or corrupt. Whether you agree with his politics or not, all he's done in his working life is serve his community and campaign for what he thinks is right, often risking unpopularity in doing so. Whether you think his politics is right or wrong, you can't really question his integrity. To see people sneer at him saying "career politician" just annoys me.

Yes, but then he isn't a 'career politician' when we consider how we usually refer to them. I'd assume the taunts thrown Corbyn's way are designed to undermine him and drag his reputation amongst those that like him or his policies into the dirt. "You think you're special Jeremy but you're just one of us"

I think he's a spineless puppet personally but that's just me

Yup. A puppet that has consistently stood up to what he thinks is not right.

As opposed to the other pillars of integrity in Westminster.

Spineless puppet is a confusing thing to think of Corbyn. I can understand people disliking him for many reasons, but he's not exactly made his career in politics easy

GSC wrote:I think he's a spineless puppet personally but that's just me

He may be a Union puppet (not sure on that), but spineless? I'm not sure you could find many politicians, these days, further from that description than Corbyn.

SecretFly wrote:Are you two bigoted against White Bubba (albeit via New York) types?  

Dear God, the Twit-tease Clintonites will be shocked and tearful to hear such slurs.  They want a country of interconnected love and usurpation of higher states of tolerance in a climate of rainbow harmony!

In brief, less of the Trump insults!

I've no idea what that means, but it sounds like a great campaign slogan (doesn't actually mean anything but its got some nice positive words in it).

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Spineless puppet is a confusing thing to think of Corbyn. I can understand people disliking him for many reasons, but he's not exactly made his career in politics easy

Agreed. The one positive thing I think most people can agree on is that he does stand by his principles...



...just a shame they're about 30 years out of date...

dyrewolfe wrote:

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Spineless puppet is a confusing thing to think of Corbyn. I can understand people disliking him for many reasons, but he's not exactly made his career in politics easy

Agreed. The one positive thing I think most people can agree on is that he does stand by his principles...



...just a shame they're about 30 years out of date...

Except the principle that Labour MPs need to stand up for what they believe in, even against their party leadership - except when he's the party leader.

JuliusHMarx wrote:

dyrewolfe wrote:

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Spineless puppet is a confusing thing to think of Corbyn. I can understand people disliking him for many reasons, but he's not exactly made his career in politics easy

Agreed. The one positive thing I think most people can agree on is that he does stand by his principles...



...just a shame they're about 30 years out of date...

Except the principle that Labour MPs need to stand up for what they believe in, even against their party leadership - except when he's the party leader.

Well he is in a Catch 22 situation to be fair. He has the backing of the people - its just his own MPs that don't like him. What are you supposed to do in that case? If he steps down, he's letting down the people who voted for him. If he remains, the party stays divided. I don't envy him...

JuliusHMarx wrote:

dyrewolfe wrote:

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Spineless puppet is a confusing thing to think of Corbyn. I can understand people disliking him for many reasons, but he's not exactly made his career in politics easy

Agreed. The one positive thing I think most people can agree on is that he does stand by his principles...



...just a shame they're about 30 years out of date...

Except the principle that Labour MPs need to stand up for what they believe in, even against their party leadership - except when he's the party leader.

Well his Principle was that his people wanted him, even if his colleagues in Parliament didn't. His Principle instincts were proved right. Over to the Principles of his Colleagues; Follow the elected Leader.....?

dyrewolfe wrote:

JuliusHMarx wrote:

dyrewolfe wrote:

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Spineless puppet is a confusing thing to think of Corbyn. I can understand people disliking him for many reasons, but he's not exactly made his career in politics easy

Agreed. The one positive thing I think most people can agree on is that he does stand by his principles...



...just a shame they're about 30 years out of date...

Except the principle that Labour MPs need to stand up for what they believe in, even against their party leadership - except when he's the party leader.

Well he is in a Catch 22 situation to be fair. He has the backing of the people - its just his own MPs that don't like him. What are you supposed to do in that case? If he steps down, he's letting down the people who voted for him. If he remains, the party stays divided. I don't envy him...

He has the backing of the Labour party members. Unfortunately a United Kingdom exists outside of this bubble - something he doesn't seem to have grasped.

Belated views on 2016WH....

A few things to remember that are being overlooked on this thread...

1. Not everybody that voted for Trump wanted him......Many Republicans would feel loyalty to their party....To say 45m voted for "Trump" is a little misleading....Or Hillary for that matter..

2. Trump did as much as three rallies a day in blue and white collar areas......Whilst Clinton basically preached to the converted in white collar ones.... once every couple of days......Sure Trump was ahead with blue collar voters but if you can can keep his percentage of victory amongst them down then you have more chance of winning...She only visited Michigan once......Showing interest in people does help....However artificial the interest.

Apparently a screaming match between Bill and Hillary's campaign team took place during the campaign when the former President said what about blue collar voters ??..

Trump worked his arse off........Clinton didn't......

3. Trump had slogans that worked........"Drain the swamp"...."Make America great again" were very effective.......

"Stronger together, I'm with her !!"........Was pretty ordinary..

Slogans work.......

4. Trump had crap policies but at least he had them !!.........Clinton's whole campaign was Trump is a misogynist, racist and tax dodger.....When your family is struggling you want a little more than that !!..

5. Furthering my last point.....The economy..

a) Obamacare costs are going up....
b) Worst economic recovery since the 30s.....Herbert Hoover's disastrous term.
c) Decline in business startups...
d) Decline of real household family income from $57,000 in 2007.......to $53,000 in 2015..
e) Bigger gap between white and black pay.....(Blacks didn't come out for her in big numbers)
f) 95 million Americans out of work.....

Remember that Democrats are for big Government and higher taxes historically.....Republicans for less Government and for more tax cuts.....If I'm feeling the squeeze a Democrat may worry me..

6. Clinton was a dud......No charisma, elitist, loads of nasty baggage and slamming Trump for assaulting women is hard when your husband is just as bad !!!..

7. Politics begins at home......If your struggling and someone is offering something different then whatever their character you'll consider giving them a go...

Nixon in 68..........

I thought Clinton would win but don't blame the people who voted Trump in.....They were there to be convinced but instead were taken for granted...

8. It was probably a change Election........Trump was anti establishment at a time when people are sick of the establishment..

9. Don't rule Trump out as a succesful President......The US economy will get better and he'll get the credit.......Obama was unfortunate that he had to pick up the pieces from Bush....

10. Foreign policy...Don't worry about Trump he'll be on the golf course...(Eisenhower anybody ??)....Worry about hawks like Guiliani and Gingrich.....They will be running the administration..


I wouldn't have voted for Trump in a million years.........Probably held my nose and voted for Clinton if I'd voted..........Maybe given Stein a nod..

Shocked he won.... like "Out" won the Euros....But the alarm bells were there looking back !!......

Good news for Labour is that it killed off any chance of May going early..

Bill is just as bad as Trump? Give over...

That it ??

That's all it takes. It's a KO, Truss! Pr4 is the bestest put-down man in the game.

Didn't realize you wanted a full analysis, Truss!

Agree with the vast majority of the rest, particularly about Clinton. While I think she was, on balance, the better choice and I would have held my nose and voted for her too - if only to keep Trump from winning - she clearly represented the continuation of the status quo at a time with the USA was crying out for change.

"Drain the swamp" is one of best slogans ever to come out of a Presidential election...Really powerful..

"Keep cool with Coolidge"..Calvin Coolidge.

"Never change horses mid stream"..Lincoln..

"Mckinley for Peace..Prosperity...Patriotism"

Being others......

Irony being Mckinley was assassinated..

Talking about recounts in Wisconsin...Michigan..and Pennsylvania.

All close contests that would put Hillary over the top were they reversed....Thoughts that the electronic voting was hacked in certain districts..

Some results didn't add up apparently ....Clinton is 2m votes ahead now in the popular vote..The biggest lead by a mile for any loser..

Not sure the bellwether voting matches the general trend.

Maybe not over yet.

It would be beyond hilarious if the man who spent the last few weeks telling anyone who would listen he was gonna lose because it was fixed, loses on a recount.

If Stein was that desperate for Clinton to win, maybe she should have just not run.

Trump got 41 percent of the female vote...That was a killer for Clinton..

Not as many feminists in the US as she hoped....

We got the first Black President in history being followed by a President endorsed by the KKK..

Never been a President who has been backed by so many undesirables since Millard Fillmore's "know nothings" in the 1850s..

Fillmore was one of America's worst Presidents and only served one term.

Hillary had been a half decent candidate she would have won.

I'd bet a respectable number of that 41% were feminists. Surely the definition of one is more complex than voting for the female just because she's a female.

Yeah? So once more onto the breach, Pr4?
Okay, what did I say wrong now?

If this election teaches us anything it is pressing the flesh works. .

Trump went to Wisconsin..Michigan..Pennsylvania. .

Clinton took them for granted.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:If this election teaches us anything it is pressing the flesh works. .

Trump went to Wisconsin..Michigan..Pennsylvania. .

Clinton took them for granted.

Yep - its a pretty basic management skill, that applies to normal life as well as politics.

If you make people feel like you really care and listen to them, they're more likely to support you.

And if they're feeling particularly neglected and desperate, they'll support you even if you espouse some pretty outlandish ideas.

Similar thing happened in 1930s Germany (not that I'm for one moment comparing Trump to that guy)...