Eng vs. India...ODIs & T20s

First topic message reminder :

So Dhoni is gone.....amidst  lot of of glowing tributes...but we  suspect he was asked to go...his time was up quite sometime back.....and the BCCI did it in a nice way...
It's also being said that the Champions Trophy will be his retirement tournament if he performs vs Eng...else this might be his end series



Ind ODI squad: KL Rahul, Shikhar Dhawan, Virat Kohli (capt), MS Dhoni, Manish Pandey, Kedar Jadhav, Yuvraj Singh, Ajinkya Rahane, Hardik Pandya, R Ashwin, Ravindra Jadeja, Amit Mishra, Jasprit Bumrah, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Umesh Yadav


Ind T20I squad: KL Rahul, Mandeep Singh, Virat Kohli (capt), MS Dhoni (wk), Yuvraj Singh, Suresh Raina, Rishabh Pant (wk), Hardik Pandya, R Ashwin, Ravindra Jadeja, Yuzvendra Chahal, Manish Pandey, Jasprit Bumrah, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Ashish Nehra


for completeness sake here are the Eng squads




England ODI squad:
Moeen Ali, Jonny Bairstow, Jake Ball, Sam Billings, Jos Buttler, Liam Dawson, Alex Hales, Eoin Morgan(c), Liam Plunkett, Adil Rashid, Joe Root, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, David Willey, Chris Woakes,
England T20I squad:
Moeen Ali, Jake Ball, Sam Billings, Jos Buttler, Liam Dawson, Alex Hales, Chris Jordan, Tymal Mills, Eoin Morgan(c), Liam Plunkett, Adil Rashid, Joe Root, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, David Willey,

Cant see India not chasing anything under 320 on this pitch. England defo need to take all 10wickets to win.

Oh well, fair play to Stokes and Woakes...good recovery to take England to 320.

Some great power hitting, mixed in with quite a few brainless shots.

Still think India will cruise this though.

Why do the commentators think that it was good for Woakes to get run out by Stokes? I actually think that Woakes was hitting the ball better than Stokes in the death and should have taken the wide and kept strike. There was absolutely no need for Stokes to force the run and run-out there. Poor cricket.

eirebilly wrote:Why do the commentators think that it was good for Woakes to get run out by Stokes? I actually think that Woakes was hitting the ball better than Stokes in the death and should have taken the wide and kept strike. There was absolutely no need for Stokes to force the run and run-out there. Poor cricket.

In fairness there was only 2 balls left, so it makes little difference...


Now if current form is anything to go by we can look forward to watching England's bowlers send down lots of buffet balls for Kohli, Singh and Dhoni to feast on.

I know it was only 2 balls left but Woakes was striking better than Stokes so there was no need for the run out, it was absolutely pointless. My irk was that the commentators were saying it was excellent from Woakes to sacrifice his wicket, I think it was stupid by Stokes.

I also feel that India will chase this with 5 overs to spare.

Just over 320 in the end. Not long ago that would have been cause for celebration. However, the feeling now is that we weren't able to break away quite enough.

Agree with you guys - we could still win this but will need 10 wickets to do so. I can't see India ending up 300/4 off their 50!

The first 15 overs will be crucial, England must bowl well and take at least 3-4 wickets if they are to stand a chance here.

Well I am unlikely to sit up and watch this one through...but for what it's worth I reckon this is a decent score in the conditions.
Plenty for the pace men - could easily have lost early wickets and got nowhere near 300. Yes some wickets were thrown away - but it wasn't easy ; and if you want high scores you have to take risks. India bowled pretty well.

Can England defend ? Fifty - fifty , I think. Taking early wickets hasn't really helped them so far as India has kept having one really big partnership...but it just might be different today.

Morgan needs to be a bit more proactive , I think. Will need to adjust as the play unfolds ; but I think they have a chance.

First wicket gone for India, unlucky for Woakes in the first over as well as he took a wicket without even knowing...

Horrible start by Woakes after his excellent bowling the other day...
Willey mixing wickets and wides.

Consistency , please ?

eirebilly wrote:First wicket gone for India, unlucky for Woakes in the first over as well as he took a wicket without even knowing...

Apparently

Didn't actually cost as he's gone anyway ; but unusual ! They normally appeal for anything.

Couple of good balls but he's going round the park so far...

Kohli's timing is simply impeccable.

Looks like Willey may have injured his shoulder.

When Woakes bowls a good ball, it is very good but when he does not he is smacked away. He is an odd one alfie.

Wiley injured ? That's all we need...

eirebilly wrote:When Woakes bowls a good ball, it is very good but when he does not he is smacked away. He is an odd one alfie.

True. Thought he came back well in that third over but Kohli is looking ominous. If Willey can't come back I do not fancy England's hopes much.

He has left the field as well, looks like he has done his shoulder. May not see him back. A real shame as he looked like taking a few more wickets.

Rahul gone though

Ball rather happy...

There is something in this pitch for England. Ball bowling very well.

And Woakes working Yufraj over nicely...

England on top here with the ball doing plenty : but they have to make it count. Despite the untimely loss of Willey , they have to make this early break into a match winner this time. If they fall back into defensive tactics as they arguably did too early in game two their chances will disappear. India have too many good ball strikers to contain.

alfie wrote:And Woakes working Yufraj over nicely...

England on top here with the ball doing plenty : but they have to make it count.  Despite the untimely loss of Willey , they have to make this early break into a match winner this time.  If they fall back into defensive tactics as they arguably did too early in game two their chances will disappear. India have too many good ball strikers to contain.

Jaysus alfie, he is only after injuring his shoulder

OK I could have expressed that less dramatically !

They really will miss him though , in these conditions he'd be the main danger man.

Need to nip out these two ; and probably Dhoni as well , before the balls go soft.

Ball has done very well since replacing Willey but yes, England will miss him in this innings. Hope its also not a long term injury as well.

Plunkett in, the dam may burst here for England.

Oh dear, Kohli given a life as Ball drops the catch. That really should have been caught.

Ball might have just dropped the match there at fine leg

Not sure they'll get too many more chances to get Kohli ...

I don't understand why Morgan would have Ball at fine leg in the first place. He is one of the worst fielders in England so why put him in a place where catches are likely?

Both Plunkett and Ball looking dangerous here...

But they need to strike soon or I think this will get away from England in the middle overs. No faith in Moeen to be tight ; and Stokes , while he might grab a wicket or two , usually leaks runs. Losing Willey really was a cruel blow : for once there is scope for the fast bowlers to have some fun and they'd picked five of them...and Morgan will still have to use his unreliable spinner for a bunch of overs.

Sadly I think that Willey's injury will decide this match, he usually only bowls 7 overs so those missing 5 overs will cause Morgan some problems. I also do not have much faith in Ali bowling a containing spell here.

Think this is going only one way now...

Needed more early wickets. Dropped chance and Willey injury have done for England I fear.

I have to work so am off to sleep...goodnight billy and anyone else still watching

Have a good one brother

England may be on one here. Yuvraj and Kohli gone. Come on lads best chance yiz will get I feel

With the top 5 and with all the experience and top quality batting gone, think this now is England's game to lose. Jadhav has shown that he very much belongs at this level, but Pandya and Jadeja haven't shown that they can sustain run scoring for very long, though they both can bat. Rather uncharacteristic shot from Dhoni when he went after one to edge behind has mostly closed the road for India.

Thankfully, more of a civilized pitch, but the Indian bowlers didn't take full advantage, and England overall, batted well enough to post a very fine total. But unlike their Indian counterparts, the English bowlers have bowled well despite being 1 bowler down, and the Indian batsmen haven't batted all that well.......

Well England have made good inroads into the Indian batting lineup for a change.

If they can get rid of Jadhav fairly soon they might have a chance of winning this...assuming Jadeja and Ashwin don't decide to have one of their better days.

Pandya and Jadhav unable to keep the runs flowing. Good bowling from England, something has to give soon.......

Still think that England need to take all 10 wickets to win this...

RRR closing in on 10, think on this track, Indians aren't getting there.

Still some powerful hitters in this Indian side msp, it can still change.

eirebilly wrote:Still think that England need to take all 10 wickets to win this...

Yep, Billy. That was my view at the between innings break and still is.

88 needed off the last 9 overs with 5 wickets left.

Ye have pretty much called that the whole series Guildford and been right I may add

Oh well...looks like Jadhav and Pandya have won this for India.

Just when they needed to keep it tight and take 1-2 more wickets, England open the floodgates and allow India to score at will.

We haven't deserved to win a single game all tour and we are showing why with this display.

India score 23 off the last 2 overs. If England are to win this, India have to lose 10 wickets. For all msp's pessimism , I can't see India running out of steam!

Our bowlers just can't bowl in the right areas consistently enough to build pressure or draw mistakes.

This must feel like a practice match for India.

eirebilly wrote:Ye have pretty much called that the whole series Guildford and been right I may add

Billy - it's helped being a natural born England pessimist!

guildfordbat wrote:

eirebilly wrote:Ye have pretty much called that the whole series Guildford and been right I may add

Billy - it's helped being a natural born England pessimist!

As only 50+ years of pain can deliver, eh old man

I can feel the pessimism here but the rates still over 9 ...so it's not a gimme for India.
It's just England don't have a bowler who looks a able to runderstand through the tail.

Interesting how both teams have followed a fairly similar pattern of struggling to get the scoring going but accelerating very well at the key moment.
India just look slightly more competent with the bat and ball and seems odds on to whitewash what's been a competitive 3 games

England attack staying disciplined overall, despite it getting more and more difficult to grip the ball. India need a real big over to get through, it isn't easy.......

And Stokes does it for England, bowls Pandya!. Think that's it for India.......

eirebilly wrote:

guildfordbat wrote:

eirebilly wrote:Ye have pretty much called that the whole series Guildford and been right I may add

Billy - it's helped being a natural born England pessimist!

As only 50+ years of pain can deliver, eh old man

Been a few good days along the way but, yeah, an overdose of pain at times. Also not helped in the last decade by following Surrey!

Meanwhile, a wicket for Stokes to reignite hope ....

There really is not much between these two teams. Been an excellent ODI series.

Those Indian fans, as usual, have been a credit to the game

Think that outstanding over from Stokes has won it for England. In such situations, Jadeja comes in with the mindset of a slogger rather than a batsman who might have to slog and often fails. Jadhav is still there but there is not much more. Think India might either get bowled out or finish 8 or 9 down and fall short of the target.......