England vs Italy

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28 players that have been kept.

Forwards (16): Jack Clifford (Harlequins), Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers), Charlie Ewels (Bath), Jamie George (Saracens), Teimana Harrison (Northampton Saints), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints), James Haskell (Wasps), Nathan Hughes (Wasps), Maro Itoje (Saracens), Joe Launchbury (Wasps), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Joe Marler (Harlequins), Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins), Mako Vunipola (Saracens), Mike Williams (Leicester Tigers), Tom Wood (Northampton Saints)

Backs (12): Mike Brown (Harlequins), Danny Care (Harlequins), Elliot Daly (Wasps), Owen Farrell (Saracens), George Ford (Bath), Jonathan Joseph (Bath), Jonny May (Gloucester), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs), Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs), Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors), Anthony Watson (Bath), Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)

Its like watching a Divison North One East game

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Is Poite not correct? If Italy only have one player making the tackle its not a ruck? It only becomes a ruck if the defence commits another player to the breakdown?

Best bet to get around it would be for the tackled player to pick the ball up and carry on.

My understanding is you're correct on both counts

This is the twilight zone

Thoroughly deserved, you have to say. We need a rocket up our backsides.

Aim for the posts and score a try off the rebound. O'Shea's tactics are out of this world.

Hilarious!!! Well at least we're getting the bad game out of the way so we should be good for Scotland and Ireland.

Cole and Hughes have 6 pens and 3 knockons between them?

EnglishReign wrote:Thoroughly deserved, you have to say. We need a rocket up our backsides.

And I have NO doubts they'll be getting one!!!

Lol..

formerly known as Sam wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Why did Danny Care kick it???!!!!!!!!

Danny Care lost all composure 30 seconds into the game. He's been panicking ever since.

Not sure why Poite called advantage over for the pen either ...

England absolutely sleeping here.

Great for Italy but I can't see jones letting them be like this in the second half or in two weeks against us

Dylan off and stripped of the captaincy and dropped from the squad.

Eddie earn your money in the next hour please.

To be fair to Care....not a lot he can do. If Italy aren't forming the ruck and are coming round to cut off his passing options the forwards need to start picking and driving.

GeordieFalcon wrote:Hilarious!!! Well at least we're getting the bad game out of the way so we should be good for Scotland and Ireland.

Not sure england have a good game yet. Two last minute wins in their last two matches.

Looking very shaken especially up front. Can't understand why England are persisting with losing the forward battle. Get the ball out wide.

There are going to be a few black eyes coming back after half time and this time Eddie is going to be dishing them out rather than taking them.

Unless Eddie is attempting to show a wounded-duck to his future combatants.

Is Hughes seriously the next best 8 in England after Billy V? Surely not - useless lump!

Hughes needs changing, think Care isn't having the best of time either.

Ruckgate.

mid_gen wrote:To be fair to Care....not a lot he can do. If Italy aren't forming the ruck and are coming round to cut off his passing options the forwards need to start picking and driving.

It might help if he stops passing to Italy players mind. I understand the tactis emloyed by Italy are something they wouldnt have prepared for but Care has provided absolutely zero direction from scrum half. If Ben Youngs had done the same people would be calling for his head.

The forwards have to, have to take control of ruck non ruck situation.

They need to get physical, nasty physical.

Hopefully soon they realise players rushing forward opens up space ahead...

kingelderfield wrote:The forwards have to, have to take control of ruck non ruck situation.

They need to get physical, nasty physical.

And will. Because I'm sure Eddie is telling a few people their International careers might be cut short if they don't go out and man-up.

The England forwards need to us their brains, think on their feet and get on with it.

EnglishReign wrote:Hopefully soon they realise players rushing forward opens up space ahead...

indeed

Dallaglio's face!

Priceless!

Care can't deal with this though, if the England forwards just keep being dumb and piling into a ruck that isn't a ruck and waiting for him to get stuck with the ball and No options there's nothing he can do.

Forwards have to rustle together some brain cells abd counter this tactic.

Bonus point?

You betcha baby!

English forwards using all the muscles except the one that matters. If it's not a ruck and you have been tackled, get up and play the ball

This is a classic example of a modern rugby player, just unable to think for themselves.

Hopefully Eddie sets them straight

Guarantee it'll be all rucks in the 2nd half now

TightHEAD wrote:The England forwards need to us their brains, think on their feet and get on with it.

It would help if the English forwards had brains.

Why did the Italian No9 fake an injury?

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Is Poite not correct? If Italy only have one player making the tackle its not a ruck? It only becomes a ruck if the defence commits another player to the breakdown?

Best bet to get around it would be for the tackled player to pick the ball up and carry on.

Hughes did that

On the plus side we are still in losing BP range.

Scottrf wrote:Cole and Hughes have 6 pens and 3 knockons between them?

I think for the maul pen against Cole, Poite calls the wrong number. Cole clearly comes straight through the middle. There's at least one other England player in at the side but Cole is seen running back once the maul splinters and so gets called out incorrectly.

Care and Launchbury need to go for me. Care looks clueless and Launchbury is little better. Sadly we need to keep Hughes on as there's not another big 8.

England will play this much quicker and those Italian boys are going to be breathless

To be fair, every team has a way of playing that is dependant on rucks being formed to create their phaseplay. England do need to be thinking better. But this tactic would confuse many a side imo.

Strange 1st half but very entertaining Who would have believed Italy would win the 1st half?

Sure England will have sorted themselves out now, and claim a bonus point win.

That's one reason why Daly at FB would make sense.

Daly just oozes effortless class.

Daly is our new 15

Looks like the hairdryer treatment has worked

Farrell is crap

Hmmm. Call me picky, but Care didn't kick that for his quick penalty

And here is Italy's second half meltdown...

And finally we adapt. There will be a few more now

Well they've clicked on to the ruck issue.

And Te'o passed forward for that

Eddie Jones seems to have earned his salary at half time