6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

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ENGLAND v SCOTLAND
Saturday 10th March
16:00 GMT
Twickenham Stadium

Live on ITV, RTE, FR2, DMAX

Referee - Matthieu Raynal
AR1 - Romain Poite
AR2 - Marius Mitrea
TMO - Ben Skeen

A. Head to Head

134 Played 134
74 Won 42
18 Drawn 18
42 Lost 74
1,562 Points 1,141

B. Recent Form

6 February 2016
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
9 – 15 to England

14 March 2015
Twickenham, London
25 – 13 to England

8 February 2014
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
0 – 20 to England

2 February 2013
Twickenham, London
38 – 18 to England

4 February 2012
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
6 – 13 to England

C. Teams

ENGLAND


Starting XV:

15. Mike Brown (vice captain, Harlequins, 58 caps), 14. Jack Nowell  (Exeter Chiefs, 21 caps), 13. Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 31 caps), 12. Owen Farrell (vice captain, Saracens, 50 caps), 11. Elliot Daly (Wasps, 11 caps), 10. George Ford (Bath Rugby, 33 caps), 9. Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 68 caps), 1. Joe Marler (Harlequins, 49 caps), 2. Dylan Hartley (captain, Northampton Saints, 82 caps), 3. Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 72 caps), 4. Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 40 caps) , 5. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 56 caps), 6. Maro Itoje (Saracens, 10 caps), 7. James Haskell (Wasps, 73 caps) , 8. Nathan Hughes (Wasps, 6 caps).

Finishers

16. Jamie George (Saracens, 15 caps), 17. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 40 caps), 18. Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 6 caps), 19. Tom Wood (Northampton Saints, 48 caps), 20. Billy Vunipola (vice captain, Saracens 32 caps), 21. Danny Care (Harlequins, 69 caps), 22. Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors, 6 caps), 23. Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 24 caps).

SCOTLAND


Starting XV

15. Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors) – 51 caps; 16 tries, 3 pens, 89 points
14. Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors) – 34 caps; 15 tries, 75 points
13. Huw Jones (Stormers) – 6 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
12. Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors) – 22 caps; 6 tries, 30 points
11. Tim Visser (Harlequins) – 29 caps; 12 tries, 60 points
10. Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors) – 25 caps; 2 tries, 5 cons, 8 pens, 44 points
9. Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 3 caps

1. Gordon Reid (Glasgow Warriors) – 22 caps
2. Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors) – 23 caps
3. Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors) – 7 caps
4. Richie Gray (Toulouse) – 63 caps; 3 tries, 15 points
5. Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors) – 31 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
6. John Barclay CAPTAIN (Scarlets) – 58 caps; 4 tries, 20 points
7. Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby) – 8 caps; 1 try, 5 points
8. Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors) – 25 caps

Substitutes:
16. Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby) – 105 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
17. Allan Dell (Edinburgh Rugby) – 6 caps
18. Simon Berghan (Edinburgh Rugby) – 1 cap
19. Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors) – 27 caps; 1 try, 5 points
20. Cornell Du Preez (Edinburgh Rugby) – uncapped
21. Henry Pyrgos (Glasgow Warriors) – 19 caps; 4 tries, 3 pens, 29 points
22. Duncan Weir (Edinburgh Rugby) – 25 caps; 2 tries, 7 cons, 10 pens, 1 drop, 57 points
23. Mark Bennett (Glasgow Warriors) – 19 caps; 6 tries, 30 points

TightHEAD wrote:I want 60

Keep doing the exercise, not to much booze and mind those fags.

Best of luck

After last night I'm not as worried

Ireland look big favourites but Eng might give it a go.

Go back to the shire, full of it.

Ireland were poor last night.

Huge step backwards for Scotland today, so close yet so far

End it ref, just end it now

Yes

That's a knock on at the base.

Has Brown passed the ball in this game?

Serious question.

Mike brown just does not pass!

Fair play England, we could make all the excuses in the world but you blew us away in every facet of the game today. Congrats guys, go well next week

Who needs a big points game against Italy when you have Scotland at Twickers!

Cheers mildly frantic.

So can we accept England aren't just good because of 20 minute George cameos yet?

Gooseberry wrote:So can we accept England aren't just good because of 20 minute George cameos yet?

Yes. Clearly.

So... Ireland...

Let's not forget, 18 on the bounce. Well done boys.

How's that BVC change petition going. Joke.

Sour grapes aside England were excellent today. Beer time.

GeordieFalcon wrote:Mike brown just does not pass!

It really cheeses me off!

What a fantastic game, England really in charge from the kick off.

Does'nt help- though when your side keeps losing player to HIA.

England's best performance under Eddie Jones. Shame for Scotland, but just huge for England.

Well that was okay eh?

GunsGermsV2 wrote:I think there is a very good chance England will lose to Scotland.

Well called Guns

I wouldn't fancy trying to write player ratings for Scotland after that. Dunbar and Huw Jones, having both been mentioned as potential Lions, let themselves down in defence terribly in the first half.

England certainly responded to the criticism they've had, big performance today.

I think I'm going to be seeing a lot of English players down here in a couple of months.

Sgt_Pooly wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:I think there is a very good chance England will lose to Scotland.

Well called Guns

Lol they did morally!

aucklandlaurie wrote:I think I'm going to be seeing a lot of English players down here in a couple of months.

Gatland didn't even come to this game, so I wouldn't count on it!

I think there were some desperately unlucky movements for Scotland too though. I've never seen so many HIAs in one match.

Re gatland not coming to HQ, bleeding disgrace!

All right. We'll call it a draw.

TightHEAD wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:I think I'm going to be seeing a lot of English players down here in a couple of months.

Gatland didn't even come to this game, so I wouldn't count on it!

 You didnt have to be at the game to appreciate what a dominant display that was, and how and who it was carried out.

RDW_Scotland wrote:Cracking day in London - buzzing with excitement for my first trip to Twickenham!!

oh dear

Tighthead. You really are being a bad winner here.

Well played England. A proper performance

Shame we ran out of players there. Never a hope of pulling it back with 2 x no 9 and 2 x no 10 on the pitch

Gwlad wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:Cracking day in London - buzzing with excitement for my first trip to Twickenham!!

oh dear

Anyone near Twickers make sure RDW isn't allowed near any sharp implements

R!skysports wrote:Tighthead. You really are being a bad winner here.

Well played England. A proper performance

Shame we ran out of players there. Never a hope of pulling it back with 2 x no 9 and 2 x no 10 on the pitch

Just ignore him. Everyone else does.

This itv chap is not very clever, or respectful.

The whole back 5 were awesome today, tackling carrying, lineout and scrums going well.

The F-F-J partnership looks truly world class given decent ball and that pack will give you good ball for at least 20 minutes. I would have liked to see Brown off, Watson at 15 and May on for the last 20 just to see how it went.

Hard luck Scotland, injuries hurt you, but realistically even with Hogg, you would have been blown away by that performance

This is all Lancaster's fault, if he'd got out of his group he'd still be coach and Wales would be winners next week when we beat France.

It would be a disgrace if England don't have the lion's share (hehe) of lion's places. They are by far the best squad in the NH.

Watson, JJ, Itoje, Launchbury, Farrell, Marler, Nowell, Haskell, Billy are comfortably the best players in their position and should be starting.

Very Confucian moment there on telly.

Wilkinson describing very accurately how England posed attacking challenges. His old boss, Woodward, interrupts him to make the same point, then McGeechan - the Lions coaching alpha male - interrupts Woodward to say the same thing.

The confucian concept of respect for elders could not be more evident. Probably better for everyone to just let Wilkinson finish.

mid_gen wrote:It would be a disgrace if England don't have the lion's share (hehe) of lion's places.  They are by far the best squad in the NH.

Watson, JJ, Itoje, Launchbury, Farrell, Marler, Nowell, Haskell, Billy are comfortably the best players in their position and should be starting.

Itoje? best 6. That shirt is Stander's first and Warburton's second. Haskell will be doubtful to tour. Marler and Nowell also doubtful.

Gwlad wrote:

mid_gen wrote:It would be a disgrace if England don't have the lion's share (hehe) of lion's places.  They are by far the best squad in the NH.

Watson, JJ, Itoje, Launchbury, Farrell, Marler, Nowell, Haskell, Billy are comfortably the best players in their position and should be starting.

Itoje? best 6.   That shirt is Stander's first and Warburton's second. Haskell will be doubtful to tour. Marler and Nowell also doubtful.

If Nowell is doubtful to tour you're really doubting the selection abilities of the coach.

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:The whole back 5 were awesome today, tackling carrying, lineout and scrums going well.

The F-F-J partnership looks truly world class given decent ball and that pack will give you good ball for at least 20 minutes. I would have liked to see Brown off, Watson at 15 and May on for the last 20 just to see how it went.

Hard luck Scotland, injuries hurt you, but realistically even with Hogg, you would have been blown away by that performance

Brown is very frustrating. He is an exceptional defensive fb but really lacks in attacks. I think it was Poufour who proposed the non-passing possession theory, but I just don't buy it. Brown does not even consider passing, does not shape his play to provide a pass. You might lay some blame on the wings failure to link with him but as he is the player coming from depth he is the one making the decisions.

And yet other aspects of his game are very very good. Like I say very frustrating.

Gwlad wrote:This is all Lancaster's fault, if he'd got out of his group he'd still be coach and Wales would be winners next week when we beat France.

Maybe it is or Lancasters fault.

But you have to admit England deserve to be crowned champions.

More than Wales do.

TightHEAD there is such a thing as being a bad winner. You are proving there is such a thing as a rancid smelly carbuncle of a winner.

The rest of you English fans enjoy that win. You totally earned it and if they continue to play like that, Ford Farrell and JJ for the Lions.

Tighthead mentioned haircuts - his is helmet shaped

Brown did pass in the first half. I think it was one of his best games in a long while.

To a degree I do buy into P4's analysis.

Gatland to select a load of England players for the Lions, force them into Gatlandball rugby and away from the fast open rugby they're currently accustomed to, resulting in the England boys becoming bemused and bewildered and losing confidence in their game, so that next year's 6N and beyond England are back to being mediocre. Thanks Gats!

You heard it here first folks!

My take?

Scotland were overpowered.   They were a bit unlucky.  Unlucky insofar as Italy gave England a fright, and what Scotland faced was the England that could be, rather than what had been.

Scotland did show what by they could do when they had the ball, and if they had not been so unlucky with injuries to the backs - their main attacking weapon - they might have got a bonus point.

But they still wouldn't have won.

Well done England.

Nah, we'll just ignore him.

Griff wrote:Gatland to select a load of England players for the Lions, force them into Gatlandball rugby and away from the fast open rugby they're currently accustomed to, resulting in the England boys becoming bemused and bewildered and losing confidence in their game, so that next year's 6N and beyond England are back to being mediocre. Thanks Gats!

You heard it here first folks!

Thats what I am afraid of (plus the inevitable injuries)