Glasgow and Edinburgh: Ongoing Banter Thread 16 - Good Luck, We're All Counting On You

[IanBru]

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CHAMPIONS CUP
QUARTER FINAL
SARACENS v GLASGOW WARRIORS
Sun, Apr 2, 13:00, Allianz Park

CHALLENGE CUP
QUARTER FINAL
EDINBURGH v LA ROCHELLE
Fri, March 31, 19:00, Murrayfield Stadium


"I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you."

[EWT Spoons]

Gilco signed a new 2 year deal. It was mentioned ages ago, but now official. Well that wasn't exciting

[RDW]

Scotland lock Grant Gilchrist has re-signed with Edinburgh Rugby on a two-year deal.



Gilchrist, who was named as club co-captain ahead of the current season, will don the black and red until at least May 2019.

The 16-times capped internationalist joined the club on an academy contract ahead of the 2010/11 season and – after a period in New Zealand as a recipient of the coveted John MacPhail scholarship – made his Edinburgh Rugby debut against Cardiff Blues the following term.

He went on to make 26 appearances in his first season and has now represented the club on 95 occasions.

An impressive run of form for the capital club led to the former Stirling County player making his Scotland debut against France in the 2013 RBS 6 Nations Championship.

He was named Scotland captain during the national team’s 2014 Summer Tour and led the side to a 21-19 victory over Argentina in Cordoba, a week after scoring his first international try in the win against Canada.

On penning a new deal with Edinburgh Rugby, he said: “I’m absolutely delighted to re-sign with Edinburgh Rugby.

“Admittedly it’s been a tough year and we’re disappointed with recent results but I’m looking forward to helping the club move forward. I’m excited to see what this group can produce over the next few seasons.

“I’m desperate for this club to be successful and I believe we will achieve what we want to in the next few years.

“If you look across the board we’ve got competition for places and every week people are going to be battling for their spot.

“The contest for a place in the second-row has been really good for me as I feel it’s making me a better player and I hope that I’m making the other locks better too.”

Acting Head Coach Duncan Hodge, said: “It’s great to have Grant, another experienced internationalist, commit to the club for the coming seasons.

“He’s a quality operator around the park and at set-piece, and is a natural leader in a young squad. His presence is one valued by the staff and players.

“He’s had an unfortunate run with injuries over the last few seasons but it’s great to see him back and battling for his spot in a competitive second-row.”

[funnyExiledScot]

Grant Gilchrist 2 year deal.

That's a big 'meh' from me.

Me too. It seemed clear he was keen to leave and tried to leave, but due to injuries and playing like wet fart no-one wanted him. A 2 year deal says it all as well - both parties seem a bit reluctant. Edinburgh because of his injury record, no doubt comparatively high wage demands and recently low impact performance on the field. Gilchrist because he clearly wants to move on to bigger and better things, despite his ego writing cheques his body can't cash.

Hard to get excited about this, unless Cockerill can get into his head and unlock some of that undoubted potential. He shouldn't be involved with the captaincy though. He strikes me as the rugby equivalent of that chip on shoulder grey suited middle manager. The one who irritates people with boring stories of doing DIY at home over the weekends, and drives a Seat Leon because it's basically a Volkswagon but better value (and tells you that at least once a week).

[IanBru]

He strikes me as the rugby equivalent of that chip on shoulder grey suited middle manager. The one who irritates people with boring stories of doing DIY at home over the weekends

You've literally just described me. Except the middle manager (if anyone followed my instructions, the office would be on fire within five minutes) and the 'grey-suited' (grey suits necessitate brown shoes, and you should never wear brown in town).

and drives a Seat Leon Ford Escort because it's basically a Volkswagon but better value (and tells you that at least once a week).a trainee can either eat or drive a car younger than New Labour.

[Eejit]

Teams up - Sarto's back!

[funnyExiledScot]

He strikes me as the rugby equivalent of that chip on shoulder grey suited middle manager. The one who irritates people with boring stories of doing DIY at home over the weekends

You've literally just described me. Except the middle manager (if anyone followed my instructions, the office would be on fire within five minutes) and the 'grey-suited' (grey suits necessitate brown shoes, and you should never wear brown in town).

and drives a Seat Leon Ford Escort because it's basically a Volkswagon but better value (and tells you that at least once a week).a trainee can either eat or drive a car younger than New Labour.

You have a car as a trainee?? You must be getting paid too much.

[RDW]

That is a pretty grim looking Glasgow team! I'm sure they'd still beat Edinburgh though.

[IanBru]

Yeah, it's somewhat lacking in established names.

Then again, the last two weeks have shown us three things:
1. Without our first choice players, we're losing matches in the international window;
2. The first-choice players are exhausted and need a rest;
3. We therefore need to improve the quality of the players who aren't (yet) first choice.

The obvious solution is to play the young guns from now until the end of the season and see how they do. They'll either sink or swim, but at least we'll know what they're capable of, moving into next season.

[jimbopip]

Yeah, it's somewhat lacking in established names.

Then again, the last two weeks have shown us three things:
1. Without our first choice players, we're losing matches in the international window;
2. The first-choice players are exhausted and need a rest;
3. We therefore need to improve the quality of the players who aren't (yet) first choice.

The obvious solution is to play the young guns from now until the end of the season and see how they do. They'll either sink or swim, but at least we'll know what they're capable of, moving into next season.

Very much agree with this.

However, there are some players here; Cummings, Bhatti, Fagerson, Hughes for example who are genuinely exciting prospects and who should be staking a claim for next season. I would still bet Bru's stones on that starting fifteen putting 50 points on the Luvvies in the upcoming Slaughter Of The Effeminates.
On which subject; bravo Cockers for telling it as it is. Recent performances have been unacceptable, your history in the Pro 12 is unacceptable, too many Luvvies are self-deluding numpties. All true. The Luvvie fans on here saying that Cockers shouldn't have spoken such harsh words because it might upset the players and damage their delicate psyches.... shame on you.

[RDW]

Yeah, it's somewhat lacking in established names.

Then again, the last two weeks have shown us three things:
1. Without our first choice players, we're losing matches in the international window;
2. The first-choice players are exhausted and need a rest;
3. We therefore need to improve the quality of the players who aren't (yet) first choice.

The obvious solution is to play the young guns from now until the end of the season and see how they do. They'll either sink or swim, but at least we'll know what they're capable of, moving into next season.

Very much agree with this.

However, there are some players here; Cummings, Bhatti, Fagerson, Hughes for example who are genuinely exciting prospects and who should be staking a claim for next season. I would still bet Bru's stones on that starting fifteen putting 50 points on the Luvvies in the upcoming Slaughter Of The Effeminates.
On which subject; bravo Cockers for telling it as it is. Recent performances have been unacceptable, your history in the Pro 12 is unacceptable, too many Luvvies are self-deluding numpties. All true. The Luvvie fans on here saying that Cockers shouldn't have spoken such harsh words because it might upset the players and damage their delicate psyches....         shame on you.

That'll be me then!

My point wasn't that I didn't want him hurting their feelings, I just think he made it out that basically there was very little hope for the future other than to work hard and see what happens - that's hardly inspiring stuff and it sounded like future arse covering as much as anything.

I fully agree that the players need to be made clear that their performances have not been acceptable, but if he maybe added in something like "there are some very good players in the squad and the team is performing well below their ability - I know that if I can set them in the right direction the team will be a lot more competitive going forward"

Something a bit more positive than "they're all crap players and there's not a lot I can do about it with no money!" - even if it is true!

[Hazel Sapling]

Looking at that team makes me think of my earlier post so, if I am now in command, make Bresler captain unless they can sign Hamilton for a year or two. A big, snarling pri*k at the heart of the pack who will not be selected for Scotland and may lamp someone who does not put a shoulder in. This lead by example cr*p is how Ford became captain. It did not do Scotland or Edinburgh much good.

As for Dean, he is ok at 12. He is barely 23 and as he is converting position, should have gone for a year at LS. I will keep banging on about it as the Pro 12 sides ought to be the elite of Scottish rugby, not where you learn to play a position (looking at K Bryce as well). Not everyone can be Richie Vernon!

[funnyExiledScot]

Yeah, it's somewhat lacking in established names.

Then again, the last two weeks have shown us three things:
1. Without our first choice players, we're losing matches in the international window;
2. The first-choice players are exhausted and need a rest;
3. We therefore need to improve the quality of the players who aren't (yet) first choice.

The obvious solution is to play the young guns from now until the end of the season and see how they do. They'll either sink or swim, but at least we'll know what they're capable of, moving into next season.

Very much agree with this.

However, there are some players here; Cummings, Bhatti, Fagerson, Hughes for example who are genuinely exciting prospects and who should be staking a claim for next season. I would still bet Bru's stones on that starting fifteen putting 50 points on the Luvvies in the upcoming Slaughter Of The Effeminates.
On which subject; bravo Cockers for telling it as it is. Recent performances have been unacceptable, your history in the Pro 12 is unacceptable, too many Luvvies are self-deluding numpties. All true. The Luvvie fans on here saying that Cockers shouldn't have spoken such harsh words because it might upset the players and damage their delicate psyches....         shame on you.

That'll be me then!

My point wasn't that I didn't want him hurting their feelings, I just think he made it out that basically there was very little hope for the future other than to work hard and see what happens - that's hardly inspiring stuff and it sounded like future arse covering as much as anything.

I fully agree that the players need to be made clear that their performances have not been acceptable, but if he maybe added in something like "there are some very good players in the squad and the team is performing well below their ability - I know that if I can set them in the right direction the team will be a lot more competitive going forward"

Something a bit more positive than "they're all crap players and there's not a lot I can do about it with no money!" - even if it is true!

It reminds me of the Matt Williams "you can put lipstick on a pig" quote. That was him coming in to toughen up Scottish rugby, but his regime was a disaster that took Scotland to an all time low.

Still, whilst I wouldn't have put it as eloquently as Jimbo, I do agree that a large number of Edinburgh players need a kick up the proverbial, but what they need more is top quality technical coaching. The culture needs to change, and I do think Cockerill will be good at that, but the systems and coaching also need to fundamentally change. We are leaking points all to often not due to tackles being missed by individuals, but opposition teams carving us up. When we have the ball in hand it's been a number of years since I've seen any signs of attacking pattern or game plan beyond a couple of phases.

So yes, some tough love is probably required and I don't have an issue with Cockerill laying down his marker like this, but what needs to happen is proven quality coaches coming in to replace the deadwood that has created the current shambles.

[jimbopip]

RDW, I'm bored and GC needs cheering up. Here we go.

I am perfectly willing to accept that Cap'n Kellock had less innate ability and natural talent than FES has empathy for those who actively choose to leech off the rest of us by living in council flats and earning less than the GDP of a small central American republic. I will also accept that Grant Gilchrist actually has all the natural talent and potential that Solomans and BVC saw in him. What you (by which I mean all of my eastern brethren) need to accept is that those two second rows stand as perfect metaphors for their clubs.
One awkward, ugly big barsteward who punched way above his weight and led his team to glory.
One very smug, pretty boy who has done fecc all of any note.
If you were in Cocker's shoes, which of those two would you build your team around?

p.s. I had a very brief chat with the Schlongster after the Sarries game and his retirement was mentioned: as he walked away I heard a voice in my head cursing the fact that I could have said, "If you don't fancy the rough and tumble of pro rugby anymore you could always sign for Edinburgh." He'd have liked that.

[funnyExiledScot]

Looking at that team makes me think of my earlier post so, if I am now in command, make Bresler captain unless they can sign Hamilton for a year or two. A big, snarling pri*k at the heart of the pack who will not be selected for Scotland and may lamp someone who does not put a shoulder in. This lead by example cr*p is how Ford became captain. It did not do Scotland or Edinburgh much good.

As for Dean, he is ok at 12. He is barely 23 and as he is converting position, should have gone for a year at LS. I will keep banging on about it as the Pro 12 sides ought to be the elite of Scottish rugby, not where you learn to play a position (looking at K Bryce as well). Not everyone can be Richie Vernon!

I don't recall Ross Ford ever being a "lead by example" type of player. His throwing is wobbly, he doesn't hook for the ball and in the loose he's passive-aggressive without the aggressive. I think his captaincy credentials were purely down to his experience as a player, and the fact that he's been first choice hooker since the Jurassic period.

[Hazel Sapling]

Looking at that team makes me think of my earlier post so, if I am now in command, make Bresler captain unless they can sign Hamilton for a year or two. A big, snarling pri*k at the heart of the pack who will not be selected for Scotland and may lamp someone who does not put a shoulder in. This lead by example cr*p is how Ford became captain. It did not do Scotland or Edinburgh much good.

As for Dean, he is ok at 12. He is barely 23 and as he is converting position, should have gone for a year at LS. I will keep banging on about it as the Pro 12 sides ought to be the elite of Scottish rugby, not where you learn to play a position (looking at K Bryce as well). Not everyone can be Richie Vernon!

I don't recall Ross Ford ever being a "lead by example" type of player. His throwing is wobbly, he doesn't hook for the ball and in the loose he's passive-aggressive without the aggressive. I think his captaincy credentials were purely down to his experience as a player, and the fact that he's been first choice hooker since the Jurassic period.

I think you just proved my point about leading by example

[funnyExiledScot]

RDW, I'm bored and GC needs cheering up. Here we go.

I am perfectly willing to accept that Cap'n Kellock had less innate ability and natural talent than FES has empathy for those who actively choose to leech off the rest of us by living in council flats and earning less than the GDP of a small central American republic. I will also accept that Grant Gilchrist actually has all the natural talent and potential that Solomans and BVC saw in him. What you (by which I mean all of my eastern brethren) need to accept is that those two second rows stand as perfect metaphors for their clubs.
One awkward, ugly big barsteward who punched way above his weight and led his team to glory.
One very smug, pretty boy who has done fecc all of any note.
If you were in Cocker's shoes, which of those two would you build your team around?

RUSSELL
You play baseball coach for a moment. Two players run to first. They
both have the same time, but one has perfect form, the other, lousy
form. Which one do you pick?

WILL
The one with lousy form.

RUSSELL
'Cause teach him the right form...

WILL
And he beats the other guy--it's a neat analogy...

[funnyExiledScot]

Looking at that team makes me think of my earlier post so, if I am now in command, make Bresler captain unless they can sign Hamilton for a year or two. A big, snarling pri*k at the heart of the pack who will not be selected for Scotland and may lamp someone who does not put a shoulder in. This lead by example cr*p is how Ford became captain. It did not do Scotland or Edinburgh much good.

As for Dean, he is ok at 12. He is barely 23 and as he is converting position, should have gone for a year at LS. I will keep banging on about it as the Pro 12 sides ought to be the elite of Scottish rugby, not where you learn to play a position (looking at K Bryce as well). Not everyone can be Richie Vernon!

I don't recall Ross Ford ever being a "lead by example" type of player. His throwing is wobbly, he doesn't hook for the ball and in the loose he's passive-aggressive without the aggressive. I think his captaincy credentials were purely down to his experience as a player, and the fact that he's been first choice hooker since the Jurassic period.

I think you just proved my point about leading by example

Fair point!

[jimbopip]

So Big Al had lousy form and a huge heart. Saint Sean of Lineen and then Toonie worked on his form.
GG has beautiful form and a heart the size of a frozen pea.

I see what you're saying there. Welcome to the dark side, young padwan.

[EWT Spoons]

RDW, I'm bored and GC needs cheering up. Here we go.

I am perfectly willing to accept that Cap'n Kellock had less innate ability and natural talent than FES has empathy for those who actively choose to leech off the rest of us by living in council flats and earning less than the GDP of a small central American republic. I will also accept that Grant Gilchrist actually has all the natural talent and potential that Solomans and BVC saw in him. What you (by which I mean all of my eastern brethren) need to accept is that those two second rows stand as perfect metaphors for their clubs.
One awkward, ugly big barsteward who punched way above his weight and led his team to glory.
One very smug, pretty boy who has done fecc all of any note.
If you were in Cocker's shoes, which of those two would you build your team around?

 

Have you seen Gilchrist?

[jimbopip]

RDW, I'm bored and GC needs cheering up. Here we go.

I am perfectly willing to accept that Cap'n Kellock had less innate ability and natural talent than FES has empathy for those who actively choose to leech off the rest of us by living in council flats and earning less than the GDP of a small central American republic. I will also accept that Grant Gilchrist actually has all the natural talent and potential that Solomans and BVC saw in him. What you (by which I mean all of my eastern brethren) need to accept is that those two second rows stand as perfect metaphors for their clubs.
One awkward, ugly big barsteward who punched way above his weight and led his team to glory.
One very smug, pretty boy who has done fecc all of any note.
If you were in Cocker's shoes, which of those two would you build your team around?

 

Have you seen Gilchrist?

I didn't mean pretty in the literal, Karen Dr Who's leggy friend,way but in the metaphorical, Danny Cipriani, too busy posing to live up to my talent, way.

[IanBru]

FES, thanks for bringing the West Wing into my day - brightened things up considerably!

Here you go:
Josh: 68% think we give too much in foreign aid, and 59% think it should be cut.

Will: You like that stat?

Josh: I do.

Will: Why?

Josh: Because 9% think it's too high, and shouldn't be cut! 9% of respondents could not fully get their arms around the question. There should be another box you can check for "I have utterly no idea what you're talking about. Please, God, don't ask for my input."

[funnyExiledScot]

FES, thanks for bringing the West Wing into my day - brightened things up considerably!

Here you go:
Josh: 68% think we give too much in foreign aid, and 59% think it should be cut.

Will: You like that stat?

Josh: I do.

Will: Why?

Josh: Because 9% think it's too high, and shouldn't be cut! 9% of respondents could not fully get their arms around the question. There should be another box you can check for "I have utterly no idea what you're talking about. Please, God, don't ask for my input."

West Wing explains Brexit....

[RDW]

Yeah, it's somewhat lacking in established names.

Then again, the last two weeks have shown us three things:
1. Without our first choice players, we're losing matches in the international window;
2. The first-choice players are exhausted and need a rest;
3. We therefore need to improve the quality of the players who aren't (yet) first choice.

The obvious solution is to play the young guns from now until the end of the season and see how they do. They'll either sink or swim, but at least we'll know what they're capable of, moving into next season.

Very much agree with this.

However, there are some players here; Cummings, Bhatti, Fagerson, Hughes for example who are genuinely exciting prospects and who should be staking a claim for next season. I would still bet Bru's stones on that starting fifteen putting 50 points on the Luvvies in the upcoming Slaughter Of The Effeminates.
On which subject; bravo Cockers for telling it as it is. Recent performances have been unacceptable, your history in the Pro 12 is unacceptable, too many Luvvies are self-deluding numpties. All true. The Luvvie fans on here saying that Cockers shouldn't have spoken such harsh words because it might upset the players and damage their delicate psyches....         shame on you.

That'll be me then!

My point wasn't that I didn't want him hurting their feelings, I just think he made it out that basically there was very little hope for the future other than to work hard and see what happens - that's hardly inspiring stuff and it sounded like future arse covering as much as anything.

I fully agree that the players need to be made clear that their performances have not been acceptable, but if he maybe added in something like "there are some very good players in the squad and the team is performing well below their ability - I know that if I can set them in the right direction the team will be a lot more competitive going forward"

Something a bit more positive than "they're all crap players and there's not a lot I can do about it with no money!" - even if it is true!

It reminds me of the Matt Williams "you can put lipstick on a pig" quote. That was him coming in to toughen up Scottish rugby, but his regime was a disaster that took Scotland to an all time low.

Still, whilst I wouldn't have put it as eloquently as Jimbo, I do agree that a large number of Edinburgh players need a kick up the proverbial, but what they need more is top quality technical coaching. The culture needs to change, and I do think Cockerill will be good at that, but the systems and coaching also need to fundamentally change. We are leaking points all to often not due to tackles being missed by individuals, but opposition teams carving us up. When we have the ball in hand it's been a number of years since I've seen any signs of attacking pattern or game plan beyond a couple of phases.

So yes, some tough love is probably required and I don't have an issue with Cockerill laying down his marker like this, but what needs to happen is proven quality coaches coming in to replace the deadwood that has created the current shambles.

This.

There's so much wrong with the team that beastings and hairdryer treatment (the Fergie kind, not the SHC on a Saturday morning in Stockbridge kind) isn't enough - we desperately need brains and good coaching.

[Nematode]

I do feel a bit sorry for the Edinburgh management. To have lost pretty much all their star players (in key positions), such as Denton, Laidlaw, Scott, and Visser must have been tough. Also, for high profile signings/players to be injured so much (Nel, Gilchrist, Manu, Dickinson, Sutherland, Northam, Bresler, (now Bennett)) must have made the last season or two especially difficult.

Who knows, had some of these players been playing more frequently, maybe Edinburgh wouldn't be where they are now...

[tigertattie]

Big Boab scoring a try.

We could use him at 13 at Edinburgh

[Eejit]

Eep. Trousers down time for Zebre, half hour in.

[RDW]

Glasgow running riot - the centres, Fusaro and Fagerson playing well

[tigertattie]

Zebre really are the Edinburgh of Italian rugby

[BigGee]

Well the young kids playing for Glasgow put their hands up and staked their claim for the future. They played well and ended up with a one sided win.

Pity Sean did not get a try but what a career he has had. I imagine that will be the last time we see him in a Glasgow shirt.

[tigertattie]

Nah they'll roll him out for the Edinburgh game

[George Carlin]

Nah they'll roll him out for the Edinburgh game

Absolutely - Toonie is obviously very fond of him and he will get a last hurrah. I would stick him in the centres against Edinburgh. That would be a laugh.

[jimbopip]

George, nice to hear from you. Fes and I have been indulging in some pretty serious Socratic debate and he has finally accepted that Cap'n Kellock is was (or perhaps still is???) ten times the player GG is, although I accept that once Cockers puts the fear of God (or unemployment) into him he may yet live up to his "potential".
I think the Schlongmeister can start at 8 for the Annual Slaughter Of The Effeminates and Fagerson can carry on in the centres.
I also thought that 10-12-13 were superb for Glasgow last night and Hornee Furra had his best game for a while.
Also to Zebre who played some good rugby in spells and may well overtake the Luvvies and Dragoons for ninth place next season.

[Nematode]

It's pleasing to see both Italian sides step up, even if it is small steps. Zebre were a different team in the second half and deserved their two tries.

I thought Johnson and Grigg had good games, Grigg especially. I don't know if Grigg is the right size for international rugby but he could be a very decent club player (like Swinson).

Brian A seems to get better every game - have Glasgow signed him up for a few seasons?

[BigGee]

Rob Robertson tweeting very confidently this morning that Big Brian has signed a two year deal. It has been hinted at for a while but good to see some more concrete gossip on the subject. He has been a revelation this year, a player from nowhere who would be a decent shout for player of the season. Is only 23 as well and could easily become SQ down the line.

We keep up our record in discovering hidden gems. He certainly is a very big jewel!

[Hazel Sapling]

Johnson is a player we missed in the run in. As well as Grigg has played, Dunbar and Johnson are Glasgow's best centres. Bennett was not helped by his Olympic 7s run.

Hard to judge Horne last night as Zebre sat off him and allowed him time/space to make his passes. He never really got into his early season form after that first injury.

2nd row has some really good prospects (Toolis, Carmichael, Hunter-Hill, Cummings, Davidson) but Brian could be special. Certainly prefer to tackle Swinson than him.

[jimbopip]

Johnson is a player we missed in the run in. As well as Grigg has played, Dunbar and Johnson are Glasgow's best centres. Bennett was not helped by his Olympic 7s run.

Hard to judge Horne last night as Zebre sat off him and allowed him time/space to make his passes. He never really got into his early season form after that first injury.

2nd row has some really good prospects (Toolis, Carmichael, Hunter-Hill, Cummings, Davidson) but Brian could be special. Certainly prefer to tackle Swinson than him.

Apparently the Naughty Boy has signed a two year extension to his current deal.

[EST]

If true, that is a wonderful signing - he is built like Will Skelton, but with what seems like a much bigger work rate. He has such an impressive engine for a man who is 135 kg +.

[RDW]

Treviso 21 - Edinburgh 6

Are Glasgow fans bored of making fun of us yet? It is utterly miserable being an Edinburgh fan.

[tigertattie]

If I was toonie I'd put shlong in at 12 in the 1872 cup with team instructions of "give Sean the ball" and see if he can get a hat-trick against us

Shlong has been a great servant to Scottish rugby and it would be utterly deserving if Edinburgh could get one last humbling by the aged one.

Edinburgh are truly truly awful to the extent where a clear out is needed. And I'm not meaning getting rid of the bad players. For the sake of their careers, the good ones should all bugger off somewhere where they aren't at risk of being destroyed.

[furra_linee]

Glasgow fan living in London here.

Lots of Edinburgh players move West and improve. Lots of Glasgow players move East and decline.

I think the "Edinburgh effect" is real, although thinking about what that actually means is hard to do without sounding very offensive to a lot of people, and without anything to back it up.

But, but, if there are too many people going through the motions in one place, tigertattie, maybe the option would be to move the club, rather than the people in it. At the very least a few feasability studies exploring another city might make people sit up and take note.

[RDW]

Glasgow fan living in London here.

Lots of Edinburgh players move West and improve. Lots of Glasgow players move East and decline.

I think the "Edinburgh effect" is real, although thinking about what that actually means is hard to do without sounding very offensive to a lot of people, and without anything to back it up.

But, but, if there are too many people going through the motions in one place, tigertattie, maybe the option would be to move the club, rather than the people in it. At the very least a few feasability studies exploring another city might make people sit up and take note.

Doesn't stop most people on here!

[EST]

I didn't watch the game, but this must qualify as a new low point in Edinburgh rugby history?  Not just this one performance, but the culmination of the whole season.  

Things haven't worked at Edinburgh pretty much since Andy Robinson left back in 2009, that is a long time in pro sport.  Successive coaches, players, the management and SRU have all been culpable at various points along the way, thereis no easy fix to this mess. RC has a mammoth task on his hands, I just don't see how he can do that with the current coaching team in-situ.  The most honorable thing would be for Hodge, Scott and Wilkins to stand down - but I very much doubt that will happen, Dodson has to act here.

[RDW]

4 wins in the Pro 12.

4.

[EST]

Yeah, it really isn't great and doesn't do Scottish rugby or Glasgow any favours either. 

I don't know much about Cockers as a coach, other than he is a belligerent SOB, who calls it as he sees it.  Leicester obviously had a much larger budget, infrastructure and developed culture already in place when he was there, and I do wonder if RC has the necessary skills to build a club from the ground up.  That being said, I think he is about as good a coach as Edinburgh could attract just now and probably has a good a chance as anybody else.

[jimbopip]

So, last night after the shops closed Mrs Pip gave me an Easter egg (not a metaphor). This is after two weeks of me saying it is not a religious festival anymore but merely another way to manipulate us into buying tatt we neither want nor need. Now I'm the bad guy because she got me an egg and I've bought her nothing. It's not fair. She could have told me WHILE THE SHOPS WERE STILL OPEN.

Anyway, the news that Treviso beat the MFL has cheered me slightly.
The Luvvies found a way to lose to Treviso.
That really is a new low.
That is so awful, it's like .... no, it's like the Luvvies being beaten by Treviso.
Schlong was saying on Warriors' TV that the measure, and greatest satisfaction, of how far Glasgow have come is that in the early days the Irish and Welsh clubs paid no attention to us, didn't even consider us but now they do. Edinburgh now won't even register on the Italians' radar, other than an easy four pointer.
Furra Linee, welcome to you sir, suggested moving the club to another city to obviate the "Edinburgh Effect"; how about Bucharest? You might be competitive there.

[Hazel Sapling]

So, last night after the shops closed Mrs Pip gave me an Easter egg (not a metaphor). This is after two weeks of me saying it is not a religious festival anymore but merely another way to manipulate us into buying tatt we neither want nor need. Now I'm the bad guy because she got me an egg and I've bought her nothing. It's not fair. She could have told me WHILE THE SHOPS WERE STILL OPEN.

Anyway, the news that Treviso beat the MFL has cheered me slightly.
The Luvvies found a way to lose to Treviso.
That really is a new low.
That is so awful, it's like .... no, it's like the Luvvies being beaten by Treviso.
Schlong was saying on Warriors' TV that the measure, and greatest satisfaction, of how far Glasgow have come is that in the early days the Irish and Welsh clubs paid no attention to us, didn't even consider us but now they do. Edinburgh now won't even register on the Italians' radar, other than an easy four pointer.
Furra Linee, welcome to you sir, suggested moving the club to another city to obviate the "Edinburgh Effect"; how about Bucharest? You might be competitive there.

Know the feeling except I am trying to watch what I eat as are several family members. Been handed 5 eggs so far and been given 15-20 hot cross buns over the last week. I have zero self control except in the purchase of food; once it is available, it is gone. As for the several family members, they are going to be receiving Lean in 15 books tomorrow in retaliation....

If they moved Edinburgh to Aberdeen (slowly recovering from oil downturn, will have engineering behemoths for at least 2-3 decades to haul away North Sea infrastructure, Aberdeen looking to move away from Pittodrie), there are several things in favour.

In all seriousness, Cockers is joining Edinburgh for the challenge of building from scratch, not the budget or the city. I suspect Gilchrist and CDP will have career years or they will not get on the field ahead of the young guns.

[jimbopip]

"Lean In 15"???

I thought that was advice to a full-back at a maul.

[George Carlin]

We very tentatively read a kids version of the Easter story to our children (it does say that he died).

We got all the way through it and asked them if they had any questions.

They conferred and my 5 year old daughter was appointed spokesperson.

She said that she didn't understand why there were no bunnies in a story about Easter.

[jimbopip]

We very tentatively read a kids version of the Easter story to our children (it does say that he died).

We got all the way through it and asked them if they had any questions.

They conferred and my 25 year old daughter Bigson was appointed spokesperson.

SheHe said that she they didn't understand why there were no bfunnies in a story about Easter.

[tigertattie]

All you soap dodgers should stop pishing on Edinburgh while we're on fire! (as in the club is burning in flames, not that we're on a hot streak of form)

Why?

1. It's not very sporting
2. We don't even deserve to be pished on!

But seriously though, it's because Edinburgh have been so dire that Glasgow are going to miss out on the play offs! If Edinburgh were doing better in the league then maybe, just maybe, Glasgow wouldn't be having to give up quite as many players in the international windows. In previous years you've been able to fall back on your imports like Naka and Niko to hold things steady while a chunk of your squad is away with Scotland.

Now that you don't have as many imports to hold you up and that fact that even more of your players have been on Scotland duties, you've struggled to compete with your less established players!

For the sake of Glasgow's future success, you really should be hoping Edinburgh get fixed soon!

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