Yet another Whingefest

by **LondonTiger** Tue May 02, 2017 11:44 am

First topic message reminder :

This thread was trashed, will try again.

by Gwlad Tue May 02, 2017 7:30 pm

Wayne you've nailed it, exactly. Pick your favored players with excellent back ups.

by No 7&1/2 Tue May 02, 2017 7:35 pm

Wayne. We were told 4 years ago that selection was weighted towards the 6ns with a passing view on the previous 10 or however many months. Now its all about experience etc. For me as I've said I'd be going into the last year with a clean slate looking at players wanting to impress. So yes I suppose my thoughts on players can be altered by what they show. I'd be disappointed in seeing coaches ignore that. I'm surprised more aren't. Moriarty Tipuric and Stander at 8 could work. Moriarty isn't good at 8. Great tackler lacks top class carrying.

by majesticimperialman Tue May 02, 2017 7:37 pm

Gwlad wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:Gwlad AWJ a winning Lions captain 4 YEARS AGO. He is not the player he once was.

No he's arguably better

by Gwlad Tue May 02, 2017 7:37 pm

it isn't all about experience. its like your trying to appear dimwitted 7.5. It is a COMBINATION of factors with different weighting on players dependent on their entirely unique characteristics

by Gwlad Tue May 02, 2017 7:38 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:
Gwlad wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:Gwlad AWJ a winning Lions captain 4 YEARS AGO. He is not the player he once was.

No he's arguably better

Knew you'd enjoy that kiss

by No 7&1/2 Tue May 02, 2017 7:40 pm

Ok gwlad. Why hasn't he chosen paring? You must think that's a mistake. Good form. Winning lion. Great experience. Good leadership. Fit.

by Gwlad Tue May 02, 2017 7:44 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Ok gwlad. Why hasn't he chosen paring? You must think that's a mistake. Good form. Winning lion. Great experience. Good leadership. Fit.

Assume you mean Parling. Um, because he is average and can't even get into his own national side?

by wayne Tue May 02, 2017 7:44 pm

This fallacy of AWJ NOT having a great 6N, pre match versus France the BEEB put up the lineout stats for all the Teams in the 6N, the Team that headed the list were Wales with 99%, did you see AWJ get hit back about 5 yards when he took ball into contact against more than 1 player, NO you didn't, what happened to Jonny Grey when he tried the same thing against Tipuric and AWJ. Yeh you got it in one, smashed back. Let's get one thing straight if Jonathon Davies had put his kick into touch or better still that numpty Gareth Davies waited about a second more for Biggar to get into position, England would still be trying to win that game, because they always award MOTM to a player of the winning Team (unless Italy are playing at home and it goes to Parisse) it would have gone to a Welshman. Probably AWJ Very Happy

by No 7&1/2 Tue May 02, 2017 7:47 pm

He was in the lions 4 years ago. They won. In good form. Kruis hasn't been in the england team either.

Sorry wayne mistook your previous post to not be wumming. Seems you just want an England wales barney?

by Gwlad Tue May 02, 2017 7:53 pm

You'd be wummed by your own shadow, you assume it ffs. Not interested in a barney and not sure how that happens on a forum, this is a forum you know, polarized opinions etc etc.

Oh i see now lions 2013 victory does have value if it helps your argument.

Look 7.5 Parling is average, Kruis anything but. He is a destroyer. parling came in when Lawes got injured and Lancaster being a man who believed loyalty was important, he stuck with the guy and Parling made the lions. He was ok on tour but nothing special and hen he has definitely not improved since then and is not even in England reckoning. England likes to make legends of players - Itoje - and Kruis is one. Perhaps justifiably because even in his absence and Lawes, Itoje and Luanchbury preeminence he is still seen as 1 or 2 and will walk back into Eddie's side. Launchbury is the guy you should be carping about.

by wayne Tue May 02, 2017 7:56 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:He was in the lions 4 years ago. They won. In good form. Kruis hasn't been in the england team either.

Sorry wayne mistook your previous post to not be wumming. Seems you just want an England wales barney?

You calling me wumming, brilliant.
Kruis has been out because of injury, if I rated him yes I'd select him in the present circumstances, but personally I'd have had Launchberry before him.

by No 7&1/2 Tue May 02, 2017 7:57 pm

You're wayne as well gwlad? Yes Launchbury would be on tour if fitness and form were higher on he list. Didn't go 4 years ago though so that's harmed hos chances.

Which are your picks where uou think Gatland and his team have made a mistake?

by No 7&1/2 Tue May 02, 2017 7:58 pm

Just from your post about England wales wayne. We agree over Launchbury and Kruis.

by Gwlad Tue May 02, 2017 8:03 pm

I dont think he has made any mistakes because it's his prerogative to pick, his choice !!!!!!!

I'd have taken Launchbury over the irish fella but i like that he is a phone call away.

He has picked aggressive players e.g.Lawes and Moriarty, tells me he is going to war, schedule supports that.

It is naive of people to think that on marginal 50/50s he won't take some Welsh guy over some Scots guy when he knows the Welsh players and that is only one persons fault Townsend who was invited in but chose not to join and QED no Scot coach, no Scots marginal picks.

by No 7&1/2 Tue May 02, 2017 8:22 pm

No its the selection panels fault.

by Gwlad Tue May 02, 2017 8:23 pm

No it's townsend's fault.

by wayne Tue May 02, 2017 8:24 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Just from your post about England wales wayne. We agree over Launchbury and Kruis.

7&1/2 I watched Dan Biggar last Saturday take a kick about 5 yards from the right hand touchline (the wrong side for a right footed kicker) and put the ball into touch about 40 yards up the field, I've seen him do this with banana kicks many many times, how far would you think he would do it from the left touchline (the correct side for a right footed kicker) and it would have gone into touch. You only won that match because of the inaccurate kick from JD2. Tell me how many tries did you score from 1st phase in that game, especially from 40 yards out.

If you'd read my Lions posts you would know that I'd have picked Russell over Biggar, so no blinkers on this boy, the only reason I'm pleased for Dan is the fact he plays for us, and he should have gone 4 years ago. (the only Welsh starter from the 30-3 drubbing of you lot NOT to go on that Tour).

by No 7&1/2 Tue May 02, 2017 8:27 pm

Nope. If gatland doesn't act as a professional and his picks for coaches also can't act like them they only have themselves to blame. My hope now is that they take note of the warm ups.

by No 7&1/2 Tue May 02, 2017 8:28 pm

Oh I'm not bothered wayne. We won the 6 nations. Just feel this is a lions thread and talk of Wales being beaten doesn't really add anything on injured players.

by Gwlad Tue May 02, 2017 8:29 pm

Glad you have finally answered your own question about selections and we can all find some peace

by No 7&1/2 Tue May 02, 2017 8:30 pm

So we all think it's bias and blindness. Great start to the tour!

by Gwlad Tue May 02, 2017 8:42 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:So we all think it's bias and blindness. Great start to the tour!

No you do. And since you seem almost puppy like in your need to blame then you have your men, the selectors.

by majesticimperialman Tue May 02, 2017 8:43 pm

Seems it does not matter what any one says, if it not a Welsh player then they simply put, they are not good enough. Does not matter that England have won two 6ns tournaments back to back......That counts for nothing in Gwlad, and Waynes view.

by No 7&1/2 Tue May 02, 2017 8:45 pm

Yes. The selectors do seem to be the men mainly in charge of the selections that's true gwlad.

by Gwlad Tue May 02, 2017 8:47 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Yes. The selectors do seem to be the men mainly in charge of the selections that's true gwlad.

by No 7&1/2 Tue May 02, 2017 8:49 pm

You do seem to be struggling.

by Gwlad Tue May 02, 2017 8:49 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:Seems it does not matter what any one says, if it not a Welsh player then they simply put, they are not good enough. Does not matter that England have won two 6ns tournaments back to back......That counts for nothing in Gwlad, and Waynes view.

England have the most players going what more do you want Rolling Eyes

by Gwlad Tue May 02, 2017 8:50 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:You do seem to be struggling.

With you anyone would

by No 7&1/2 Tue May 02, 2017 8:52 pm

No. Some people have strong arguments.

by Gwlad Tue May 02, 2017 8:53 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:No. Some people have strong arguments.

You do for sure, this being a forum.

by Taylorman Tue May 02, 2017 9:00 pm

Gwlad wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:Gwlad AWJ a winning Lions captain 4 YEARS AGO. He is not the player he once was.

No he's arguably better

He'll need to be, and not arguably, significantly so. Lions four years ago beat one of the worst oz teams in decades, just. The more you claim it as a positive for this series the sillier it gets.

by Gwlad Tue May 02, 2017 9:02 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:Seems it does not matter what any one says, if it not a English player then they simply put, they are not good enough. Does not matter that Wales have won a Grand Slam......That counts for nothing in my view.

Sir Clive Power of Four Woodward 2005.

by Breadvan Wed May 03, 2017 7:55 am

Parling was a a beast 4 years ago. Didn't he give a post match team talk with half his ear hanging off? Kruis is getting back match fit and AWJ will be as the tour progresses. Relatively fresh before possible selection for the first test...

by Scottrf Wed May 03, 2017 9:00 am

Not sure this thread has gone as planned...

by Breadvan Wed May 03, 2017 9:04 am

Scottrf wrote:Not sure this thread has gone as planned...

Any surprise given the main contributor? Like most threads... Rolling Eyes

by BamBam Wed May 03, 2017 9:08 am

Lol at the idea Launchbury is "Inferior" to AWJ

by **LondonTiger** Wed May 03, 2017 9:35 am

Scottrf wrote:Not sure this thread has gone as planned...

Indeed. What was meant to be a thread to monitor fitness has become yet another bickerfest. Makes it impossible to keep this thread updated, even though I really thought it might be useful. Really should be locked.

by chris_501 Wed May 03, 2017 11:47 am

Yet another thread ruined.

The playoffs in both Pro 12 and the Premiership should create some pretty tasty match ups, both for those selected and those who are backups.

by Gwlad Wed May 03, 2017 7:24 pm

in terms of lions whinging i think the Scots definitely have the edge, England seem to be running a close 2nd - Haskell having a good blub this morning with some Irish murmuring but not much though BOD still gets a mention. Wales definitely taking the lead in not whinging about Jamie Roberts not being selected.

by majesticimperialman Wed May 03, 2017 8:55 pm

Gwlad wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:Seems it does not matter what any one says, if it not a Welsh player then they simply put, they are not good enough. Does not matter that England have won two 6ns tournaments back to back......That counts for nothing in Gwlad, and Waynes view.

England have the most players going what more do you want

Yes i do agree with you England do have the most players going.

What more do i want? I want for the Lions tour, the Best players in their position/s, and like it or lump it AWJ is not the best player in his position.

by Guest Wed May 03, 2017 9:29 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:
Gwlad wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:Seems it does not matter what any one says, if it not a Welsh player then they simply put, they are not good enough. Does not matter that England have won two 6ns tournaments back to back......That counts for nothing in Gwlad, and Waynes view.

England have the most players going what more do you want

Yes i do agree with you England do have the most players going.

What more do i want? I want for the Lions tour, the Best players in their position/s, and like it or lump it AWJ is not the best player in his position.

I think you're right that AWJ is not the no.1 best second row in B&I. But he is arguably one of the top 5. And he is one of 5 selected.

by Gwlad Wed May 03, 2017 10:06 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:
Gwlad wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:Seems it does not matter what any one says, if it not a Welsh player then they simply put, they are not good enough. Does not matter that England have won two 6ns tournaments back to back......That counts for nothing in Gwlad, and Waynes view.

England have the most players going what more do you want

Yes i do agree with you England do have the most players going.

What more do i want? I want for the Lions tour, the Best players in their position/s, and like it or lump it AWJ is not the best player in his position.

According to your fount of knowledge, but then you think Sam Warburton shouldn't be going on tour too. Rolling Eyes

AWJ definitely is one of the best 5 in the NH, if not top 3. You wouldn't understand.

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu May 04, 2017 10:44 am

Gwlad wrote:Of course it matters you just don't get it. One criteria for election will be Lions experience. Do you understand that?

*criterion

by Geordie Thu May 04, 2017 11:07 am

Gwlad wrote:in terms of lions whinging i think the Scots definitely have the edge, England seem to be running a close 2nd - Haskell having a good blub this morning with some Irish murmuring but not much though BOD still gets a mention. Wales definitely taking the lead in not whinging about Jamie Roberts not being selected.

Why on earth would Roberts warrant a spot??
And Welsh fans aren't whinging because they have half the Lions squad despite most of the players being VERY lucky to be there!

by TightHEAD Thu May 04, 2017 11:12 am

I'm done with all this bitterness, now is the time to get behind the players and beat the Kiwi's

by Geordie Thu May 04, 2017 11:15 am

I would agree TH, it just seems that a certain poster doesn't want that....

by wayne Thu May 04, 2017 12:49 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:I would agree TH, it just seems that a certain poster doesn't want that....

Instead of pontificating on your high horse, why don't you go and have a look on the first page who started this furore. It wasn't myself and it wasn't Gwlad. Do you think we are going to stand idly by and see our players slated? Well I wont. I can't wait for the end of this season when I'll be leaving this Forum, don't need this sort of hassle.

by Geordie Thu May 04, 2017 1:22 pm

Put your dummy back in man.....

by BamBam Thu May 04, 2017 1:24 pm

wayne wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:I would agree TH, it just seems that a certain poster doesn't want that....

Instead of pontificating on your high horse, why don't you go and have a look on the first page who started this furore. It wasn't myself and it wasn't Gwlad. Do you think we are going to stand idly by and see our players slated? Well I wont. I can't wait for the end of this season when I'll be leaving this Forum, don't need this sort of hassle.

Your players .. it does amuse me to see you call them by their first name like they're your chums Laugh

As GF suggested, your dummy and rattle appear to have fallen out of the pram

by Gwlad Thu May 04, 2017 7:34 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
Gwlad wrote:Of course it matters you just don't get it. One criteria for election will be Lions experience. Do you understand that?

*criterion

thanks, mean't to right cretin thumbsup

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