Lions for all

by No 7&1/2 Fri May 05, 2017 10:09 am

First topic message reminder :

Bit of good news for those without subscriptions etc. Highlights of all lions matches will be free to air. Small downer that the commentary is in Welsh but you can't have everything!

Apologies for the daily mail link.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4475916/Lions-TV-free-commentary-WELSH.html

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon May 08, 2017 10:23 am

Griff wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
Griff wrote:
lostinwales wrote:I used to love all those welsh words like ysgol, bws, tacsi......

I get the humour at the last two as they're said the same as English essentially, but whats funny about ysgol?

Same thing. It means school. Like ysbytyl for hospital.

Yes it is a silly old joke. It's almost funny seeing how a couple of our long term residents get so excited about such silly jokes

But it doesn't sound anything like school! Ysgol is pronounced 'uzz-gol', so not that similar to school! So not the same as tacsi and bws which do sound like taxi and bus. Same with hospital, it's actually ysbyty and prounced 'uzz-butty', so again very different from the English.

You'll be picking on the French next for chat sounding like cat

Ysgol is also the Welsh word for ladder. zen

by TightHEAD Mon May 08, 2017 10:32 am

LordDowlais wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:This is so biased, should be on TV so that everyone can see it, how does anyone expect the game to grown if its hidden away?

Tell this to your regional TV provider. Not us. they all get given a budget, what they spend it on is their business, not the Welsh. Rugby is the national sport in Wales, perhaps that's why our regional TV provider has chosen to spend money on the B&I Lions.

Nothing biased about this, but why let that get in the way of your rhetoric ?

Its very biased.

We have the same regional TV providers as Wales (BBC, ITV, etc) but do not have a channel that excludes +95% of the nation, that is true.

by Pot Hale Mon May 08, 2017 10:33 am

I'm curious. How many letters are in the Welsh language? I can see the letter y is used quite regularly.

In contrast, there is no y in the Irish language alphabet of 18 characters. a á b c d e é f g h i í l m n o ó p r s t u ú

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon May 08, 2017 10:43 am

28.

a b c ch d dd e f ff g ng h i l ll m n o p ph r rh s t th u w y.

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon May 08, 2017 10:44 am

TightHEAD wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:This is so biased, should be on TV so that everyone can see it, how does anyone expect the game to grown if its hidden away?

Tell this to your regional TV provider. Not us. they all get given a budget, what they spend it on is their business, not the Welsh. Rugby is the national sport in Wales, perhaps that's why our regional TV provider has chosen to spend money on the B&I Lions.

Nothing biased about this, but why let that get in the way of your rhetoric ?

Its very biased.

We have the same regional TV providers as Wales (BBC, ITV, etc) but do not have a channel that excludes +95% of the nation, that is true.

You're not excluded. You can watch it.

by Cyril Mon May 08, 2017 10:46 am

With this thread I was wondering how Scrabble sold in different languages...

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/sep/24/scrabble-yn-gymraeg-the-board-game-no-one-wants-to-buy

by TightHEAD Mon May 08, 2017 10:57 am

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:This is so biased, should be on TV so that everyone can see it, how does anyone expect the game to grown if its hidden away?

Tell this to your regional TV provider. Not us. they all get given a budget, what they spend it on is their business, not the Welsh. Rugby is the national sport in Wales, perhaps that's why our regional TV provider has chosen to spend money on the B&I Lions.

Nothing biased about this, but why let that get in the way of your rhetoric ?

Its very biased.

We have the same regional TV providers as Wales (BBC, ITV, etc) but do not have a channel that excludes +95% of the nation, that is true.

You're not excluded. You can watch it.

But not understand it and who wants to watch sport with subtitles when you lose a 1/3 of the screen?

Pure discrimination in all its glory in Brexit Britain.

by LordDowlais Mon May 08, 2017 11:23 am

TightHEAD wrote:
Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:This is so biased, should be on TV so that everyone can see it, how does anyone expect the game to grown if its hidden away?

Tell this to your regional TV provider. Not us. they all get given a budget, what they spend it on is their business, not the Welsh. Rugby is the national sport in Wales, perhaps that's why our regional TV provider has chosen to spend money on the B&I Lions.

Nothing biased about this, but why let that get in the way of your rhetoric ?

Its very biased.

We have the same regional TV providers as Wales (BBC, ITV, etc) but do not have a channel that excludes +95% of the nation, that is true.

You're not excluded. You can watch it.

But not understand it and who wants to watch sport with subtitles when you lose a 1/3 of the screen?

Pure discrimination in all its glory in Brexit Britain.

S4C and BBC Wales all come under the same funding don't they ?

Anyway, Wales have S4C, England have channel 4. How is this biased ? Scotland have BBC Alba. Just because BBC Wales and S4C chose to use their budget up on rugby does not make it biased. The info that you provide us states that you are based in HQ is that Twickenham ? If so then you need to aim your complaints to London region of the BBC, not use the fact that BBCW/S4C have decided to pay for it as a stick to beat the Welsh with. But as long as it suits your agenda on here I suppose. Rolling Eyes

by RuggerRadge2611 Mon May 08, 2017 11:36 am

Who cares if it's in Welsh. Sometimes when watching the pro12 BBC Alba or S4C are my only options! I don't speak Gàidhlig or Cymraeg, but you get the jist!

by TightHEAD Mon May 08, 2017 11:37 am

Its biased, Channel 4 is shown in Wales, why are you getting so angry about it Lord? - Its clearly wrong and you know it.

by No 7&1/2 Mon May 08, 2017 11:41 am

It's not wrong just means a lot of people will not understand the commentary. Overall it's a good thing that it's available to people without sky.

by TightHEAD Mon May 08, 2017 11:44 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:It's not wrong just means a lot of people will not understand the commentary. Overall it's a good thing that it's available to people without sky.

1/2 the show will be a 'chit chat love in' for the Welsh players involved.

by RuggerRadge2611 Mon May 08, 2017 11:44 am

If you were there you wouldn't have any commentary at all! Just mute it!

by TightHEAD Mon May 08, 2017 11:46 am

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:If you were there you wouldn't have any commentary at all! Just mute it!

Shouldn't have too.

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Mon May 08, 2017 11:47 am

TightHEAD wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:It's not wrong just means a lot of people will not understand the commentary. Overall it's a good thing that it's available to people without sky.

1/2 the show will be a 'chit chat love in' for the Welsh players involved.

Lucky for you it'll be in Welsh so you won't understand it Wink

At least we'll be spared any Inverdale gushing ...

by rainbow-warrior Mon May 08, 2017 11:48 am

I have been to Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu it is in Hawkes Bay and it is just a hill Smile

Pity the big mouth here just shut up on things they just can't comprehend

by RuggerRadge2611 Mon May 08, 2017 11:49 am

TightHEAD wrote:
RuggerRadge2611 wrote:If you were there you wouldn't have any commentary at all! Just mute it!

Shouldn't have to o .

Free of charge!

Well pay for it and watch it with Sky! The fact that it's on any free to air TV is a good thing. Pick your battles man. Moaning and WUMing about this is a bit dull TBH. Like I said S4C and BBC alba are sometimes my only options for watching the pro12.

Whining about something that's free is lower than a rattlesnake's appendage.

by TightHEAD Mon May 08, 2017 11:54 am

John Inverdale is in the running to be named as the man to replace Prince Phillip as a God on the Pacific Island of Tanna.

by LordDowlais Mon May 08, 2017 11:59 am

TightHEAD wrote:Its biased, Channel 4 is shown in Wales, why are you getting so angry about it Lord? - Its clearly wrong and you know it.

It's not wrong, the Welsh region of BBC/S4C are airing for their customers, the Welsh population. Just count yourself lucky that you have access to it on your sky box. We do get channel 4 in Wales, but it is not 4th on the list of channels, it is way down the list. It will be the same for you with S4C. Have a word with BBC London and tell them everything you are telling us on here.

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Mon May 08, 2017 12:00 pm

TightHEAD wrote:John Inverdale is in the running to be named as the man to replace Prince Phillip as a God on the Pacific Island of Tanna.

by TightHEAD Mon May 08, 2017 12:02 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:
RuggerRadge2611 wrote:If you were there you wouldn't have any commentary at all! Just mute it!

Shouldn't have to o .

Free of charge!

Well pay for it and watch it with Sky! The fact that it's on any free to air TV is a good thing. Pick your battles man. Moaning and WUMing about this is a bit dull TBH. Like I said S4C and BBC alba are sometimes my only options for watching the pro12.

Whining about something that's free is lower than a rattlesnake's appendage.

Don't just accept discrimination, standing up to it is the only way to beat it.

by Scottrf Mon May 08, 2017 12:11 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Don't just accept discrimination, standing up to it is the only way to beat it.

Give it a rest you plank.

by TightHEAD Mon May 08, 2017 12:16 pm

For the game to grow and for the Lions to encourage future generations to have passion and pride in the Lions it has to be shown to the masses, not just a small section of the UK in an minority language.

Why should the rest of the UK who may only have a slight interest in the Tour or are new to the Lions concept have to wait for the DVD to be released?

by Scottrf Mon May 08, 2017 12:17 pm

TightHEAD wrote:For the game to grow and for the Lions to encourage future generations to have passion and pride in the Lions it has to be shown to the masses, not just a small section of the UK in an minority language.

Why should the rest of the UK who may only have a slight interest in the Tour or are new to the Lions concept have to wait for the DVD to be released?

You don't. Spend your dole money on Sky Sports.

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon May 08, 2017 12:20 pm

TightHEAD wrote:For the game to grow and for the Lions to encourage future generations to have passion and pride in the Lions it has to be shown to the masses, not just a small section of the UK in an minority language.

Why should the rest of the UK who may only have a slight interest in the Tour or are new to the Lions concept have to wait for the DVD to be released?

You might want to aim your rage at the Lions for signing up with Sky.

by TightHEAD Mon May 08, 2017 12:22 pm

Yet more discrimination on show, some people on the dole have no choice. Rolling Eyes

by TightHEAD Mon May 08, 2017 12:23 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:For the game to grow and for the Lions to encourage future generations to have passion and pride in the Lions it has to be shown to the masses, not just a small section of the UK in an minority language.

Why should the rest of the UK who may only have a slight interest in the Tour or are new to the Lions concept have to wait for the DVD to be released?

You might want to aim your rage at the Lions for signing up with Sky.

Other channels tried to sign up for the highlights but Sky wouldn't allow it, only S4C for some reason?

by Scottrf Mon May 08, 2017 12:25 pm

TightHEAD wrote:
Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:For the game to grow and for the Lions to encourage future generations to have passion and pride in the Lions it has to be shown to the masses, not just a small section of the UK in an minority language.

Why should the rest of the UK who may only have a slight interest in the Tour or are new to the Lions concept have to wait for the DVD to be released?

You might want to aim your rage at the Lions for signing up with Sky.

Other channels tried to sign up for the highlights but Sky wouldn't allow it, only S4C for some reason?

And the reason has been explained.

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon May 08, 2017 12:25 pm

TightHEAD wrote:
Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:For the game to grow and for the Lions to encourage future generations to have passion and pride in the Lions it has to be shown to the masses, not just a small section of the UK in an minority language.

Why should the rest of the UK who may only have a slight interest in the Tour or are new to the Lions concept have to wait for the DVD to be released?

You might want to aim your rage at the Lions for signing up with Sky.

Other channels tried to sign up for the highlights but Sky wouldn't allow it, only S4C for some reason?

You know the reason: they've demanded to be the sole English-language broadcaster of the tour. Again, take that up with the Lions. They signed the contract.

by TightHEAD Mon May 08, 2017 12:28 pm

Lions for all. umm..........Don't think so.

by Scottrf Mon May 08, 2017 12:29 pm

Yeah and it costs thousands to travel to the games! Lions for all, I don't think so.

by TightHEAD Mon May 08, 2017 12:30 pm

It wouldn't surprise me if the Welsh assembly give out grants to Welsh fans to tour NZ.

by LordDowlais Mon May 08, 2017 12:31 pm

What is your problem with the Welsh ?

by TightHEAD Mon May 08, 2017 12:32 pm

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon May 08, 2017 12:33 pm

As far as I can tell, he's angry at S4C for a) forcing the Lions to sign a broadcasting deal with Sky, and b) showing free-to-air highlights. Headscratch

Wouldn't it be terrible if something happens to his Sky box and he can't watch S4C even if he wants to?

by TightHEAD Mon May 08, 2017 12:38 pm

S4C Has many programs that are rated as having zero viewers yet it still gets funding from the rest of the UK to the sum of £90+ million.

No wonder it has secured the Lions highlights!

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon May 08, 2017 12:40 pm

TightHEAD wrote: S4C Has many programs that are rated as having zero viewers yet it still gets funding from the rest of the UK to the sum of £90+ million.

And now's your chance to get your money's worth!

by Scottrf Mon May 08, 2017 12:42 pm

Sky have the rights.

Other TV channels aren't allowed to show it in English language.

Who exactly are you annoyed at?

by Gooseberry Mon May 08, 2017 12:43 pm

I wouldn't get too concerned ...thete won't be many highlights for a lions fan anyway

by Scottrf Mon May 08, 2017 12:45 pm

Gooseberry wrote:I wouldn't get too concerned ...thete won't be many highlights for a lions fan anyway

Will be over before they can say Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.

by lostinwales Mon May 08, 2017 12:53 pm

Griff wrote:
ebop wrote:
Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Bit of good news for those without subscriptions etc. Highlights of all lions matches will be free to air. Small downer that the commentary is in Welsh but you can't have everything!

Apologies for the daily mail link.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4475916/Lions-TV-free-commentary-WELSH.html

Having the commentary in Welsh is a good thing!
Yeah I reckon it is to

I might have my wires crossed here but I recall reading that there was a real risk the Welsh language was dying out. Things like this shouldn't happen. Same thing was said of the Maori language and how it was almost lost. Maori were told not to speak Maori. Not any more, there's been a major resurgence in it being spoken and taught to new generations. There is pride in being Maori and pushing the culture forward. It's great that there are people out there that care about these things and won't let it disappear. So good on the Welsh channel for doing this. It's a high profile event and I hope people respect the decision and gain something from it.

There was fear of that, but I'd say it's spoken now more than ever. You can walk around Cardiff and hear it, go to pubs and hear young people speaking it, go to events in Wales and hear lots of families speaking Welsh (I was at Folly Farm in west wales recently and heard lots of it). It's compulsory in all schools now. Has been for years actually. There are loads of fully welsh language schools (and a greater proportion the further East and North you go), but increasingly there are more welsh language schools in more eastern places like Cardiff and Newport now too. My daughter is in an English medium primary school but Welsh is big on the agenda, she's in some Welsh speaking club (Criw Cymraeg!), do events with Welsh speaking schools too. Actually, the results and standards of the Welsh medium schools often tend to be better than the English medium schools so a lot of parents I think are sending kids for that reason, which keeps it alive even more.

I think the issue comes after school though as there is no use for the language, sadly. Attempts are made to keep it going with adults - for example all documents sent out have to be in both Welsh and English, which obviously doubles the cost for organisations (I'm thinking things like car tax forms, letters from the council, election poling cards, etc.), but puts the language out there. They also all offer the option of Welsh on automated phone services (e.g. tax office, local government, etc). Instructions can be in Welsh if you choose on cash points. So everything has to be bilingual and public organisations employ people fulltime to translate. But for things like business it is perhaps not needed, especially on a European and Global scale. Not a reason to get rid of it though, just that it means people sometimes stop using it completely. I'm not a welsh speaker. I think they brought in the welsh in school policy a year or two after I started so we didn't learn 1 word of welsh all the way through school. I've just picked up bit and pieces, mainly from watching rugby on S4C. Loads of rugby players speak it and conduct their interviews in Welsh. It's definitely not dying out, which is great IMO.

Very good- and a very difficult subject to be honest. There is a close tie between language and culture, and nobody wants to see a language die out. And yet the requirements to speak welsh that LD was talking about are driven by a purely manufactured (and political) situation that also promotes discrimination against non speakers.

I worked in Swansea University, which, being an international university, is full of people from all over the world. And the common language is English. (Swansea was never really Welsh speaking 'until now' either) And yet we had a situation where you could not send out an email to a 'group' without having a Welsh translation. So they had an office to help people translate emails into Welsh when nobody was going to read that translation. It just seems pointless.

It also has sacred cow status so nobody can actually criticize the policies around the language,

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon May 08, 2017 12:58 pm

lostinwales wrote:Swansea was never really Welsh speaking 'until now' either

Ah, so the locals used sign language until the English language came along.

You learn something new every day.

by Gooseberry Mon May 08, 2017 1:03 pm

Do brail signs have to be bilingual too?

by lostinwales Mon May 08, 2017 1:09 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
lostinwales wrote:Swansea was never really Welsh speaking 'until now' either

Ah, so the locals used sign language until the English language came along.

You learn something new every day.

No they always spoke English (or Norman, Cornish, Italian, Polish, whatever.) Gower was Welsh speaking. Swansea wasn't. Swansea didn't really exist much before the coal and copper industry came to call, and when they did the immigrants who came to work the mines and in mineral processing came from everywhere. Many of the ports in that area were traditionally dominated by fishermen who came from the west country anyway.

Cardiff isn't much different. If you ever go that way its worth a visit to Cosmeston medieval village. Something I found surprising was that for its first few hundred years of existence there were no Welsh there at all.

by TightHEAD Mon May 08, 2017 1:48 pm

West Country folk get everywhere!

Shame we don't have a channel funded by the rest of the UK to talk about Skittles and cider apples.

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon May 08, 2017 2:33 pm

lostinwales wrote:
Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
lostinwales wrote:Swansea was never really Welsh speaking 'until now' either

Ah, so the locals used sign language until the English language came along.

You learn something new every day.

No they always spoke English (or Norman, Cornish, Italian, Polish, whatever.) Gower was Welsh speaking. Swansea wasn't. Swansea didn't really exist much before the coal and copper industry came to call, and when they did the immigrants who came to work the mines and in mineral processing came from everywhere. Many of the ports in that area were traditionally dominated by fishermen who came from the west country anyway.

Cardiff isn't much different. If you ever go that way its worth a visit to Cosmeston medieval village. Something I found surprising was that for its first few hundred years of existence there were no Welsh there at all.

North Wales used to be South Wales (if that makes sense). Strathclyde was North Wales.

by robbo277 Mon May 08, 2017 2:40 pm

TightHEAD wrote:West Country folk get everywhere!

Shame we don't have a channel funded by the rest of the UK to talk about Skittles and cider apples.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006pft9

by TightHEAD Mon May 08, 2017 2:53 pm

robbo277 wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:West Country folk get everywhere!

Shame we don't have a channel funded by the rest of the UK to talk about Skittles and cider apples.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006pft9

Rubbish, Wales have this too.

I want a dedicated West Country channel with programs that nobody watches, so they can save up money and purchase the rights to British Lions tours.

by EWT Spoons Mon May 08, 2017 3:15 pm

robbo277 wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:West Country folk get everywhere!

Shame we don't have a channel funded by the rest of the UK to talk about Skittles and cider apples.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006pft9

Guttedl, I really hoped this was a link to a programme about skittles and cider. Smile

by TightHEAD Mon May 08, 2017 6:39 pm

It would pull in bigger ratings than 80% of S4C

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