Summer Transfer Window 2017 Thread

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon May 15, 2017 6:08 pm

First topic message reminder :

Time to kickstart this baby...rumours that Kolasinac has signed a deal to go to Arsenal and that Inter are prepared to make Pochettino the highest paid manager in the world to take their job

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:27 pm

To be fair, Dzeko is actually a pretty damn good striker

by **Afro** Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:54 pm

For all the stats that can be thrown at me, and question marks over Serie a, I've watched a lot of Lukaku and quite a bit of Belotti too, and there's not a lot that will convince me Lukaku is the better player.

He is capable of great things and can be unplayable. He is a great player. But Belotti is clearly better. I just can't see how the opposite can be justified.

by **Afro** Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:55 pm

Hero wrote:Edin Dzeko scores for fun in Serie A.

Aduriz scores for fun in Spain. Doesn't make Suarez/Messi/Ronaldo etc less of a player

by **Afro** Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:59 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelsea-andrea-belotti-transfer-lukaku-10757511

Maybe we'll find out next season Laugh

by **Hero** Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:11 pm

Afro wrote:For all the stats that can be thrown at me, and question marks over Serie a, I've watched a lot of Lukaku and quite a bit of Belotti too, and there's not a lot that will convince me Lukaku is the better player.

He is capable of great things and can be unplayable. He is a great player. But Belotti is clearly better. I just can't see how the opposite can be justified.

How is he clearly better?

by **Afro** Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:29 pm

To me, just watching them play. Belotti is more skilful, is more involved in and contributes more to the game, he's sharper and cleverer. Lukaku is faster and more powerful, but his ball control is appalling and is missing from games more.

I'm not saying Lukaku isn't quality, he is and I don't want him to leave us. Rooney is a big step down for us and we need to use the money to replace his goals. But I see Belotti as better.

by **Afro** Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:33 pm

Incidentally, Rooney had agreed terms and passed his medical, and will be announced tomorrow

by **Hero** Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:35 pm

I'd argue though that the points in which Lukaku excels is exactly what Mourinho is wanting in a number 9 for Utd, and you may well be right that Belotti turns out to be the better player, that necessarily though doesn't mean he's the better player for a certain team etc.

by **Afro** Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:37 pm

I can't argue with that. He could be exactly what United need, and his friendship with Pogba is a big tick in Lukakus favour.

by **Afro** Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:44 pm

You know me. I'm not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong.

I'm just giving my opinion that Belotti is better than Rom, and that to me it seems obvious. I believe that I am right, but not so arrogant as to not respect other opinions.

by **Hero** Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:46 pm

Lukaku is a pretty safe bet as safe bets go for what he can do, consistent scorer over the seasons, knows the league, area, manager and players. Belotti could well turn out to be the better overall but it would be far more of a gamble for Utd.

by **Afro** Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:50 pm

Fair enough. I'd certainly go for Lukaku over Morata or Aubameyang.

A better safe bet would have been Kane. How much is he worth if Lukaku is £90m.

by **Hero** Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:58 pm

Again though I don't think Kane is the right jigsaw piece. Spurs with Levy would fleece any club for >120m in this current market.

by GSC Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:11 pm

Morata strikes me as the best fit for Mourinho going but he's not worth that

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:15 pm

Dani Alves set to go to PSG instead.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:17 pm

Afro wrote:You know me. I'm not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong.

I'm just giving my opinion that Belotti is better than Rom, and that to me it seems obvious. I believe that I am right, but not so arrogant as to not respect other opinions.

Afro wrote:But Belotti is clearly better. I just can't see how the opposite can be justified.

That may be why people don't feel you're quite eager to be open to debate.

And, to be fair, the opposite view was quite well (if I do say so myself) justified.

by **Afro** Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:32 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Afro wrote:You know me. I'm not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong.

I'm just giving my opinion that Belotti is better than Rom, and that to me it seems obvious. I believe that I am right, but not so arrogant as to not respect other opinions.

Afro wrote:But Belotti is clearly better. I just can't see how the opposite can be justified.

That may be why people don't feel you're quite eager to be open to debate.

And, to be fair, the opposite view was quite well (if I do say so myself) justified.

You taking what I have said completely wrongly and out of context. I'm saying that from my watching of both players, I can't see it as close, and that to me Belotti is clearly better.

Not that you can't justify it and I'm not open to debate. I'd hope others who know me well would back me up that I am not that ignorant.

For the record, your justification doesn't sway me. The stats don't sway what I judge with my own eyes

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:15 pm

That's fine, but you can see why it would be a justification.

I don't think one genuinely wow season of Belotti should have him up at the echelons you have him, but it's a game of opinions. I agree on the style of Lukaku being huge for them too.

I hope we get to find out in the league though!

by Holymiky Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:20 pm

Afro wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Afro wrote:You know me. I'm not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong.

I'm just giving my opinion that Belotti is better than Rom, and that to me it seems obvious. I believe that I am right, but not so arrogant as to not respect other opinions.

Afro wrote:But Belotti is clearly better. I just can't see how the opposite can be justified.

That may be why people don't feel you're quite eager to be open to debate.

And, to be fair, the opposite view was quite well (if I do say so myself) justified.

You taking what I have said completely wrongly and out of context. I'm saying that from my watching of both players, I can't see it as close, and that to me Belotti is clearly better.

Not that you can't justify it and I'm not open to debate. I'd hope others who know me well would back me up that I am not that ignorant.

For the record, your justification doesn't sway me. The stats don't sway what I judge with my own eyes

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by Holymiky Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:21 pm

Also, my concern with Lukaku when he was potentially coming to Chelsea was that he isn't a European striker simply as he's not been able to prove that yet and obviously Chelsea are back in the CL next season and need a striker who can do that, especially if Costa is actually on his way out.

by GSC Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:35 pm

Everton paying 30m for Sigurdsson

by GSC Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:20 pm

Rooney signs for Everton for 2 years on a free. Wonder if United are paying some salary.

by Atila Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:26 pm

GSC wrote:Rooney signs for Everton for 2 years on a free. Wonder if United are paying some salary.

I keep reading that United let him go on a free transfer. If that's true, maybe it allows Everton to pay him more cash? A sign on fee or something like that to help cover his pay cut?

If United have let him go for free, I hope they're not paying out money for Rooney.

by Guest Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:05 pm

If United are paying part of Rooney's wages - then that represents a loan deal and not a transfer? Worldwide Rooney's name still probably has a significant market value - and presumably the trademark licence transfers to Everton?

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:28 pm

You can pay wages after selling.

by **Afro** Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:16 pm

I've heard we are paying him £150k a week which makes him our top earner. No idea if United are paying him for the last year of his contract or not.

by GSC Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:20 pm

Sentimentality over sense for Everton but there's a 150k a week gone missing somewhere

by Holymiky Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:36 pm

Glad we got Rudiger in today, looks like a really promising defender. Not sure what Conte's plan is formation wise next season though.

by Atila Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:48 pm

Not worth 150k but Rooney might do a decent job for Everton, a fresh start might be just the kick up the backside he needs. If he's a regular starter, I see no reason why he shouldn't get 15 to 20 goals for them, maybe more.

by Nathaniel Jacobs Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:55 pm

Being reported that Monaco midfielder Tiemoue Bakayoko is close to a £35m move to Manchester United. Imagine the look on Conte's face if Mourinho nabs Lukaku and Bakayoko from his grasp

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:10 pm

Atila wrote:Not worth 150k but Rooney might do a decent job for Everton, a fresh start might be just the kick up the backside he needs. If he's a regular starter, I see no reason why he shouldn't get 15 to 20 goals for them, maybe more.

There's no way he should be a regular starter after all the money they've splashed (and continue too - Sigurdsson to be confirmed tomorrow)

by **Hero** Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:30 am

I believe Rooney got a one off loyalty payment from Utd to leave, presume it'd amount to close to a years salary.

by **Afro** Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:48 am

Rooney's going to have to rediscover some long lost form to be a regular starter.

He's going to be a squad player with our European games in mind, and to bring a bit of experience to the good group of youngsters we have coming through.

Also he is still a big name in the Far East, so will be part of keeping some of our sponsors happy.

Farewell to Lukaku. Going to miss the goals, if not the attitude and bi-annual interview with Belgian newspapers about how he is ready for a bigger club.

by **Hero** Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:47 am

Looking through the Man Utd feeds on Facebook and there's a huge amount of anger from overseas fans about Rooney going.

by Guest Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:58 am

Newcastle looking to tie up Jacob Murphy for £8m. Thoughts, Olly?

by Guest Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:52 am

Hero wrote:Looking through the Man Utd feeds on Facebook and there's a huge amount of anger from overseas fans about Rooney going.

I don't get it personally. yes I'm thankful for what he's achieved at united and he has been a big part of our recent history, but if anything I think he overstayed his welcome by a good two seasons (obvs not his fault Moyes first order of business was a new contract). Best of luck to him and all that. I hope he does well at Everton but certainly not going to lose sleep over a player who has been on the sharpest of declines for 2 years

I don't see there being any truth in the Bakayoko story personally.

Jim white apparently said Moshiri has advised 3 new players still to arrive at Everton. Not mentioned names though....Sigurdson? Giroud? Can't think of who the third may be, have they been linked with any other positions

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:53 am

I'd align the foreign outrage to the same kind of mentals that bark abuse at wrestlers on social media; there's a real love of a name in these markets.

by **Hero** Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:03 am

gazzyD wrote:
Hero wrote:Looking through the Man Utd feeds on Facebook and there's a huge amount of anger from overseas fans about Rooney going.

I don't get it personally. yes I'm thankful for what he's achieved at united and he has been a big part of our recent history, but if anything I think he overstayed his welcome by a good two seasons (obvs not his fault Moyes first order of business was a new contract). Best of luck to him and all that. I hope he does well at Everton but certainly not going to lose sleep over a player who has been on the sharpest of declines for 2 years

I don't see there being any truth in the Bakayoko story personally.

Jim white apparently said Moshiri has advised 3 new players still to arrive at Everton. Not mentioned names though....Sigurdson? Giroud? Can't think of who the third may be, have they been linked with any other positions

I reckon the rumour has been instigated by someone close to Chelsea so that when Chelsea announce the signing the fans have a sense of revenge for Lukaku.

by Geordie Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:19 am

Just John wrote:Newcastle looking to tie up Jacob Murphy for £8m. Thoughts, Olly?

Whats your thoughts John...?

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:45 am

GeordieFalcon wrote:
Just John wrote:Newcastle looking to tie up Jacob Murphy for £8m. Thoughts, Olly?

Whats your thoughts John...?

Firstly from all the local reports down here, £8m won't be anywhere near enough to get him. Apparently we're after £15m, which is ludicrous but he did sign a new contract until 2021 in January, so unlike Redmond we don't need to sell him this summer.

On the player himself - he's a great talent, but he's still pretty raw. I think he could play PL and not disgrace himself, but he's going to take another year or two of development before being a proper PL player imo. Sounds very very English, but he does need to become a bit stronger and braver - he's easily brushed off the ball. No doubting his eye for goal and skill on the ball tho

We have said every player has a price this summer, so if you really do want him you could probably get him. But it won't be £8m from what I've seen/heard.

by **Crimey** Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:59 am

Afro wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
Afro wrote:Belotti is a much more complete player. Worth far more than Lukaku

Lukaku pretty much guarantees you 25-30 goals a season - worth far more than Belotti

Belotti would easily match Lukaku's goal tally. Scored more goals in a more defensive league

Not the 1990s anymore.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/serie-a-most-entertaining-football-10523404

Serie A the least defensive league of the big ones in Europe right now.

by **Afro** Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:03 pm

Fair enough. I stand corrected Ok!

by Geordie Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:26 pm

Apparently we are in negotiations for Jesus Navas aswell. However Seville are interested in taking him back to spain.

by Guest Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:21 pm

Heard that rumour. I wish I hadn't.

Beyond awful.

by Geordie Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:38 pm

Apparently that's already put to bed John. No deal happening.

And Norwich have rejected the 8.5m bid for Murphy.

Names flying all over now such as Montero, Keiron Gibbs (still stumbling on) etc etc

Tom Heardman the 21yo striker has signed a new deal and gone out on loan to....Bury.

by Guest Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:59 pm

GSC wrote:Everton paying 30m for Sigurdsson

Swansea just rejected £40m from Leicester for Sigurdsson

Marko Arnautovic hands in transfer request

by Atila Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:54 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
Atila wrote:Not worth 150k but Rooney might do a decent job for Everton, a fresh start might be just the kick up the backside he needs. If he's a regular starter, I see no reason why he shouldn't get 15 to 20 goals for them, maybe more.

There's no way he should be a regular starter after all the money they've splashed (and continue too - Sigurdsson to be confirmed tomorrow)

If he is getting 150k a week, I'm sure Koeman is expecting Rooney to be a regular starter.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:03 pm

We've been after Arnautovic at least a week, story goes that we've bid £15m, it's been rejected so he's handed a request in.

Hernandez deal a problem cos he's on £125k a week and we don't wanna pay it.

by GSC Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:26 pm

3 weeks ago that bid went in apparently. Stoke expect an improved offer

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:51 pm

Seen that too, Percy from the Telegraph? Burt is in on it too and he's a Sullivan guy. Snodgrass may be offered as part of it, which is a two stones situation

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