Summer Transfer Window 2017 Thread

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon May 15, 2017 7:08 pm

First topic message reminder :

Time to kickstart this baby...rumours that Kolasinac has signed a deal to go to Arsenal and that Inter are prepared to make Pochettino the highest paid manager in the world to take their job

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:05 pm

I love Hernandez, always have, so I'm incredibly happy.

Also, the thought of him and Carroll playing the odd game as Quinn and Phillips makes me laugh. Intrigued to see if a throwback little and large combo works

by Guest Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:22 pm

Hero wrote:Looks like it's been agreed on Mbappe to Real Madrid for 180 million euros.

Wow.....looks a talent but that's an incredible amount of money

by wheelchair1991 Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:54 pm

Stupid amount of money

by NickisBHAFC Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:26 pm

Izzy Brown joining Brighton from Chelsea on loan.

Will be a useful squad player. Means we can loan Towell out to get some experience.

by LionsV2 Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:05 pm

It's a Real Madrid ego trip to ensure that the world record is theirs for the foreseeable future.

by **Hero** Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:09 pm

LionsV2 wrote:It's a Real Madrid ego trip to ensure that the world record is theirs for the foreseeable future.

Until PSG buy Neymar.
In fairness to them though it's a practice that's worked for them over the years.

by **Afro** Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:17 pm

Pah, what have Real ever won.

How many Zenith Data Systems cups have they got?

by LionsV2 Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:29 pm

Hero wrote:
LionsV2 wrote:It's a Real Madrid ego trip to ensure that the world record is theirs for the foreseeable future.

Until PSG buy Neymar.
In fairness to them though it's a practice that's worked for them over the years.

It has worked to an extent but I also think they've been guilty of deliberately inflating prices by paying over the odds something they definitely did with Pepe and Ramos.

by **Hero** Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:32 pm

Not only though in a 'buy Player A, win x number of trophies' way though, presume purely in a marketable sense the players that they've gone and thrown cash at have over the length of their contract then generated huge pots of income for the club.
They bought Beckham for £25m, he made the club £300m, over the course of Becks career he sold over £1 billions worth of shirts and boots.

Good football clubs buy players to win trophies
Intelligent football clubs buy players to win marketing deals.

by **Afro** Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:34 pm

Ramos would have sold them a fair few shirts, Pepe will have shifted a few branded baseball bats.

Nowadays you can get 1 and a bit Kyle Walker's for the price they paid for Ramos and Pepe combined

by **Afro** Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:36 pm

Hero wrote:
Intelligent football clubs buy players to win marketing deals.

I think was the Everton thinking when buying back Rooney, for his marketability in the Far East

by **Hero** Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:41 pm

Afro wrote:
Hero wrote:
Intelligent football clubs buy players to win marketing deals.

I think was the Everton thinking when buying back Rooney, for his marketability in the Far East

I was amazed at the level of overseas backlash at Utd on social media when Rooney went, UK fans were for the most part glad to get him off the wage bill but fans from Thailand etc were going off their nut!

by LionsV2 Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:52 pm

Afro wrote:Ramos would have sold them a fair few shirts, Pepe will have shifted a few branded baseball bats.

Nowadays you can get 1 and a bit Kyle Walker's for the price they paid for Ramos and Pepe combined

That's not quite the point I was making, they drove prices up in the hope it would affect other teams.

by compelling and rich Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:37 pm

Hero wrote:Not only though in a 'buy Player A, win x number of trophies' way though, presume purely in a marketable sense the players that they've gone and thrown cash at have over the length of their contract then generated huge pots of income for the club.
They bought Beckham for £25m, he made the club £300m, over the course of Becks career he sold over £1 billions worth of shirts and boots.

Good football clubs buy players to win trophies
Intelligent football clubs buy players to win marketing deals.

shirt selling is mainly nonsense, majority of the deals for shirts is that the makers get the majority if not all of the income from sold shirts. its why they pay millions upon millions to sponsor the big clubs.

taken from the bbc regarding the neymar deal:

There are, of course, shirt sales. Fans of PSG and football fans in general will flock to the shops to buy the new Neymar shirts. But how much will the cash will the club get from the tills?

Their shirts are sponsored by Nike and, according to reports, the club are paid about 24m euros (£21.5m) per season by the sportswear company.

"There's a myth around shirt sales," adds Wilson. "The shirt manufacturer will take the lion's share of the profits from the sales.

"So, for example, the £75m Adidas pay Manchester United per year is a fixed fee. It doesn't matter how many shirts they sell and the players that help sell those, they'll only have that £75m per year.

by **Hero** Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:18 pm

Not exactly true, Utd still get 15% of the profits on shirt sales as well as the 75m from Adidas.
Adidas though are set to double their 750m investment as a result of the deal.

by **Afro** Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:21 pm

Either way, sell more shirts, get a better deal next time. Whether it is a fixed amount or not, the clubs control the brand and make more if they make themselves more marketable

by NickisBHAFC Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:31 pm

Norwood joins Fulham. Decent signing at that level.

by compelling and rich Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:39 pm

Hero wrote:Not exactly true, Utd still get 15% of the profits on shirt sales as well as the 75m from Adidas.
Adidas though are set to double their 750m investment as a result of the deal.

where did you get the 15% from hero? cant find it anywhere? my understanding of the deal was adidas make money on the shirts but united kept other merchandise like united bedding, clocks etc aswell as being able to sell of rights to training gear separately

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:45 pm

The economics of that £1 billion would definitely not stand up to scrutiny

by compelling and rich Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:48 pm

ive also never understood how they claim a player sells so many shirts. who claims just united shirts? the majority of people i know who wear shirts dont have names on the backs and i cant see how they would record every single printing company and whats put on every shirt

by **Afro** Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:58 pm

In the Far East the exception is to not have the player name on the shirt and a large percentage of those shirt sales are in these markets.

But you are right, it's not so much shirt sales but other branded merchandise that comes with it. Plus other sponsorship deals where players promote companies

by GSC Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:03 pm

Signing a RB from Burnley. Interested in the price since they tried to throw him in to get Britt and still missed out.

by **Hero** Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:38 pm

compelling and rich wrote:
Hero wrote:Not exactly true, Utd still get 15% of the profits on shirt sales as well as the 75m from Adidas.
Adidas though are set to double their 750m investment as a result of the deal.

where did you get the 15% from hero? cant find it anywhere? my understanding of the deal was adidas make money on the shirts but united kept other merchandise like united bedding, clocks etc aswell as being able to sell of rights to training gear separately

I'd read it a few places, recall there was a caveat that the 15% only kicked in after a certain number of shirts were sold each year but cannot recall the number required.

by GSC Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:40 pm

However it's sold, it's insanity for an 18 year old with a season and a half of first team football under his belt.

by Fernando Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:37 pm

Koeman - Barkley 100% certain to leave.

Wouldn't be surprised if ended up as part of a deal for Giroud.

by Ent Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:54 pm

Would you want Barkley if you were wenger?

Never got the hype behind Barkley, average player.

Spurs will probably be interested given levy doesn't want to spend serious money.

by Fernando Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:55 pm

Arsene loves random midfielders + with Chamberlain heading out got a HG quota to fill so wouldn't surprise me if went for it.

by GSC Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:55 pm

Worth a punt on trying to harness his talent.

Arsenal paying 45m for Lemar apparently

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:57 pm

Barkley would be great for Arsenal - I don't really get why Everton are selling him...he was one of the top chance creators in Europe last year among U23 players, ahead of guys like Lemar/Dembele

by Ent Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:08 pm

#stats

Dembele had 20 assists to barkleys 8. Lemar 14. Both had plenty in cl.

They are selling him as he has turned down a new contract and wants to leave for a new challenge.

by Guest Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:21 pm

Newcastle trying to bring Mikel Merino to the club from Dortmund. Quite like to see that deal go through.

by GSC Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:34 pm

https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/890232441117577217

by compelling and rich Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:10 pm

barkelys thinks hes better than he his, and i like the way koeman has dealt with him.

for some reason barkley to spurs seems like a deal that will happen to me. see how ross likes sitting on the bench behind ali

by GSC Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:26 pm

Young player is overconfident.

Hangings not good enough.

by **Afro** Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:24 pm

So much ability but too unreliable. A real confidence player, but doesn't take much to knock it down.

He wants to leave and I think that is best for all. As he is one of our own, fans expectations increase. A change of scenery could kickstart his career, whilst we can cash in and move on.

by compelling and rich Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:33 pm

always thought barkley had a bit of a wilshere about him, had plenty of smoke blow up his arse and believed quite a bit of it that his progress just stalled. wilshere will probably blame injuries but think attitude is a problem with both

by GSC Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:45 pm

Boro now paying 7m for Ashley Fletcher.

Parachute payments working as intended

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:02 am

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:38 am

Deann dyche's team of grafting great blokes who work ruddy hard has now got Phil Bardsley.

How did you celebrate Premier League survival, Sean?

I bought Jon Walters and Phil Bardsley.

by GSC Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:44 am

Replacement for the backup RB they sold us

by Fernando Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:45 am

Spurs showing the consequence of building a new stadium, Not really able to spend money as others strengthen around.

by GSC Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:48 am

And yet they'll probably benefit from stability more than the club's chucking stupid money at holes in their squad.

by Guest Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:18 am

Latest player to be linked to united........Emil Forsberg, RB Leipzig winger who registered 19 league assists last season. Credit where its due its a new name from the press (rather than a rehash of the old Bale/Ronaldo/Gaitan et al), but given RBs stance when Liverpool approached for Keita they've obviously shown no interest in selling any players so this one is as good as dead in the water before an official big has gone in as far as I'm concerned

by GSC Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:39 pm

After Gary Gardner after Jackson Irvine off to Brighton

by BamBam Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:10 pm

Might be wrong, but I thought Forsberg was more of a number 10 than an out and out winger?

by NickisBHAFC Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:18 pm

GSC wrote:After Gary Gardner after Jackson Irvine off to Brighton

Incorrect.

by westisbest Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:13 pm

No I think they are after Gardner Wink

If he does join Forest, then good luck to him.

by **Afro** Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:24 am

BamBam wrote:Might be wrong, but I thought Forsberg was more of a number 10 than an out and out winger?

A Left winger. Was their player of the year in their promotion year too

by GSC Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:50 pm

Chelsea trying for Renato Sanches on loan

by **Hero** Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:51 pm

GSC wrote:Chelsea trying for Renato Sanches on loan

So he can be on their bench instead of Bayern's?

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