Woods DUI

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The end is nigh, for Tiger ???

LadyPutt wrote:I thought he'd only recently stated that he was pain free for the first time in months thanks to the recent fourth back operation. Why is he taking so much medication? Unless, of course, he's addicted!

Quite. Pain free because he's been floating around in the clouds high on all his meds.

super_realist wrote:I agree that he shouldn't have been driving around whilst on meds, but being worth a billion doesn't mean you ought to automatically have a driver.
Plenty people like Beckham, Mayweather and tons of high profile actors, musicians and footballers are photographed driving all the time.

I get your point Super. It's more the fact that when he had his "adverse reaction" and realised he was in no fit state to drive, he could have rung someone to pick him up. It's not like he needs to ring a mini-cab, he's probably got minions running around doing his errands at his beck and call 24/7.

What next for Tiger?

My prediction - unable to work out, depressed and lonely, he will get FAT.

I'm thinking White Goodman / Ben Stiller at the end of Dodgeball

Don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but Vioxx was taken off the market by the manufacturer in 2004 due to safety concerns. (Increased frequency of heart attack etc I think). So this was certainly not prescribed recently. Sounds like he either has a stash of old vioxx or a dodgy supplier.

Wasn't Tiger linked with one of the Tour de France doctors? So no surprise..

Not Bridgestone...

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-central-blog/photos-released-woods-car-after-dui-arrest

raycastleunited wrote:

super_realist wrote:I agree that he shouldn't have been driving around whilst on meds, but being worth a billion doesn't mean you ought to automatically have a driver.
Plenty people like Beckham, Mayweather and tons of high profile actors, musicians and footballers are photographed driving all the time.

I get your point Super. It's more the fact that when he had his "adverse reaction" and realised he was in no fit state to drive, he could have rung someone to pick him up. It's not like he needs to ring a mini-cab, he's probably got minions running around doing his errands at his beck and call 24/7.

Have you seen the video? It seems he isn't self aware at all. I doubt he was even coordinated enough to use the keypad, let alone understand why he needed one.

In regard to the video, first time I've seen him in shorts. Was he running in some legs for a sparrow? No wonder he's had knee problems with spindly little legs like that.

In the video they've left out the bit where they beat him up and shoot him...

He completely gone. Also note his car is parked on the right hand side of the road but the left side tyres are shredded. He must have been skating around.

With that being said I don't think it's correct that such a video is made public.

Why not, you hardly deserve privacy or are entitled to privacy when you break the law.

Has it been confirmed that he broke the law? READY - FIRE - AIM!

Of course it has.

I've missed that. Quick turnaround at court. Or is it being in charge of spindly legs?

If you're found in the driving seat of a car, and not conscious. You've broken the law. They don't need a court to decide that.

super_realist wrote:If you're found in the driving seat of a car, and not conscious. You've broken the law. They don't need a court to decide that.

Rubbish. For someone who usually appears intelligent, this is a bit of a slip.

No Super, that's called a Police State. I think the US has a representative legal system. Don't Get too excited too quickly.

navyblueshorts wrote:

super_realist wrote:If you're found in the driving seat of a car, and not conscious. You've broken the law. They don't need a court to decide that.

Rubbish. For someone who usually appears intelligent, this is a bit of a slip.

Sorry, that's a fact, you are deemed to be in control of the vehicle. If you are unconscious in a car, you have to be in the back or passenger seats.

Even if that wasn't true, he's still failed all the sobriety tests, which again shows he's broken the law by being in charge of a vehicle whilst unfit.

Sorry super, but you are not a judge, neither is the police. Ever heard of the separation of powers?

I've never said I'm the judge, but you don't need a court to convict you of speeding offences or being DUI, only when they are above a certain level.

Motoring "crimes" are often not considered "criminal offences".

I'm not entirely sure where this one lies, but not everything has to be settled in court.  Pretty sure the police could charge him and at the very least ban him from driving on the basis of the evidence. 9c might well try to challenge this in court, but on what basis?

But isn't he already de facto convicted as soon as they release the video tape?

Martin Kaymer's thoughts on Tiger

https://twitter.com/MKaymer59/status/870397979475288064


I think he is spot on.

pedro wrote:But isn't he already de facto convicted as soon as they release the video tape?

He hasn't got a skinny leg to stand on. A motoring conviction is guaranteed. Probably not a criminal one though.

McLaren wrote:Martin Kaymer's thoughts on Tiger

https://twitter.com/MKaymer59/status/870397979475288064


I think he is spot on.

Rubbish Mac, the opinions of people are neither unfair or disrespectful. We shouldn't let this atrocious behaviour off just because of what he's done for golf. He's brought this criticism on himself, and deserves pelters for it. The guy is a grade a plank.

super_realist wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

super_realist wrote:If you're found in the driving seat of a car, and not conscious. You've broken the law. They don't need a court to decide that.

Rubbish. For someone who usually appears intelligent, this is a bit of a slip.

Sorry, that's a fact, you are deemed to be in control of the vehicle. If you are unconscious in a car, you have to be in the back or passenger seats.

Even if that wasn't true, he's still failed all the sobriety tests, which again shows he's broken the law by being in charge of a vehicle whilst unfit.

Sorry; don't buy this. Guy is tired driving down M1, for example. Being a sensible guy, he pulls into Services and has a 20 minute nap in driving seat, whilst parked. There's no way on Earth that's a criminal offence. If it is, the World has gone mad.

super_realist wrote:

pedro wrote:But isn't he already de facto convicted as soon as they release the video tape?

He hasn't got a skinny leg to stand on. A motoring conviction is guaranteed. Probably not a criminal one though.

Might also be worth remembering he's in America and not the U.K....

I assumed people realised I was talking about being unconscious through DRINK OR DRUGS AND being in the driving seat.

Section 4, Road Traffic Act.


I doubt you'd get done if you were just asleep and sober, but if you have an old school car which still has an ignition slot, you'd be advised not to put them in and sleep incase you do something in your sleep.

Yes, it's mad, but Police can be jobsworths

navyblueshorts wrote:

super_realist wrote:

pedro wrote:But isn't he already de facto convicted as soon as they release the video tape?

He hasn't got a skinny leg to stand on. A motoring conviction is guaranteed. Probably not a criminal one though.

Might also be worth remembering he's in America and not the U.K....

True, but even though America has a chronic drink drive problem, it's still an offence to be DUI (through any means) whilst driving.

What if all hotels were full and squirrels ate his car tyres? The meds he only took after pulling over. I'm sure OJ defence attorney Johnnie Cochran could convince a black jury about that, should it come that far. Just sayin'.

Tiger checks into rehab for addiction to prescription medication.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/tiger-woods-checks-rehab-addiction-prescription-painkillers/

Why is it that America think the solution is "rehab" visitations. Use your willpower, not some stupid institution.

super_realist wrote:Why is it that America think the solution is "rehab" visitations.  Use your willpower, not some stupid institution.

If 'willpower' were the simple and only answer, the World wouldn't have so many addicts.

Re. Woods, I'm not convinced what he's doing isn't some PR exercise, a bit like his cringe-inducing 'apology' over the affairs. We'll see...

It is, people don't have sufficient willpower. Plenty people get through this sort of thing without any "professional" help. Can't see that these "addiction centres" especially for ridiculous "addictions" like pain killers and "sex addiction" aren't just snake oil salesmen, whilst AA is a creepy, sinister Christian organisation.

I can't see it as a PR exercise. He's just a dope of an individual whose life is a mess. You can't really see a comeback from this though. Sam Torrance will be wearing a black armband.

super_realist wrote: He's just a dope of an individual whose life is a mess.

Said the affable, single, scottish keyboard warrior on a golf forum.

Super, if they don't have it, they can't apply it! Some people need assistance with stuff. Oh that we were all totally self sufficient - but I will be off to the supermarket later, and won't be growing/rearing it all. I just don't have the willpower to do it, even though my parents did (mostly).
Mind you Navy's later comment wouldn't surprise, though I hope Tiger gets properly well.

MontysMerkin wrote:

super_realist wrote: He's just a dope of an individual whose life is a mess.

Said the affable, single, scottish keyboard warrior on a golf forum.

Take out "Scottish" and it describes all of us.

puligny wrote:Super, if they don't have it, they can't apply it! Some people need assistance with stuff. Oh that we were all totally self sufficient - but I will be off to the supermarket later, and won't be growing/rearing it all. I just don't have the willpower to do it, even though my parents did (mostly).
Mind you Navy's later comment wouldn't surprise, though I hope Tiger gets properly well.

That's perhaps the most absurd analogy anyone has ever made. Well done.

If 9C actually wanted to give up, and this is where genuine will power comes in, he'd already be addressing it. He wouldn't need to have waited until he was caught m0nged out in his car before having to take this "public" stance.

He's a joke, and a thick, stupid moronic one at that.

I do hope he gets better, but doesn't seem to be helping himself, just doing what American media prescribes he does in this sort of situation when caught doing something he knew wasn't right.

super_realist wrote:It is, people don't have sufficient willpower. Plenty people get through this sort of thing without any "professional" help. Can't see that these "addiction centres" especially for ridiculous "addictions" like pain killers and "sex addiction" aren't just snake oil salesmen, whilst AA is a creepy, sinister Christian organisation.

I can't see it as a PR exercise. He's just a dope of an individual whose life is a mess. You can't really see a comeback from this though. Sam Torrance will be wearing a black armband.

Well, I suppose this is technically true, but the fact of the matter is that they don't. End of.

Maybe they just don't want to give up sufficiently enough? If Woods really wanted to give up, why did it take this event to "get help"? Why wasn't he already doing something about it?

One thing is certain, not only is Woods laughably naïve, he clearly surrounds himself with planks who are simply after his money and don't care about his well being.

super_realist wrote:

MontysMerkin wrote:

super_realist wrote: He's just a dope of an individual whose life is a mess.

Said the affable, single, scottish keyboard warrior on a golf forum.

Take out "Scottish" and it describes all of us.

Take affable and single out and you're right

Super

Are you just dismissing that addictions (particularly drugs, alcohol, gambling) can be treated using psychiatry, psychology or counselling?

which I guess means you are saying "addiction" doesn't really exist as most of us think it does?

Mac, I'm not saying addiction doesn't exist, I'm saying that many of these "rehab" things are just nonsense. For example, AA, started by crazy Christians.

Funny you say "psychology" when you've claimed it's a load of nonsense in golf.

super_realist wrote: I'm saying that many of these "rehab" things are just nonsense

Is that as an expert in these matters or as a bloke on the internet?

Of course it's my opinion, but "clinics" for absurd things like "sex addiction" are just laughable places to part gullible Americans from their money.

Why do I think they're nonsense? What expertise does a bunch of BIble bashers have in curtailing alcohol use? Why would they be any better suited to it than you or I?

While there is certainly a case for exploitation with these types of therapy, even a google scholar amateur can find overwhelming evidence that they are effective.

Have you not seen the "12 Steps to Success" for AA? They're a complete joke and not remotely scientific.
What makes you think the "cure" for gambling, sex, painkiller addiction has any veracity?

All these "Gamblers Anonymous", "Sexaholics Anonymous" follow this snake oil salesman nonsense.

No one should be addicted to anything, says stranger in Scotland. All of them are weak willed and deserve to die, says stranger in scotland of dead drug addicts.

beninho wrote:No one should be addicted to anything, says stranger in Scotland. All of them are weak willed and deserve to die, says stranger in scotland of dead drug addicts.

don't, it's too funny!

beninho wrote:No one should be addicted to anything, says stranger in Scotland. All of them are weak willed and deserve to die, says stranger in scotland of dead drug addicts.

I've NEVER said that before, I said these American style Rehab centres are a crock of SH1T.

When did all you lot lose the sense of comprehension? Mac is well known for that, but I credited most of you lot with more brains.

If someone goes into a rehab centre and comes out not to use drink/drugs or gamble or whatever was impacting their life. Then the rehab centre has worked. You may think its a crock of sht, but then I would assume you are not an addict of any sort, obviously you are not because you are so strong willed you wont fall for that weakness.

You did say use your willpower instead of rehab, which means to me, that you believe that any addiction can be overcome by willpower alone. So i presume that if people cannot beat an addiction through willpower you would think they are weak willed. Have I misconstrued your words?

super_realist wrote:

beninho wrote:No one should be addicted to anything, says stranger in Scotland. All of them are weak willed and deserve to die, says stranger in scotland of dead drug addicts.

I've NEVER said that before, I said these American style Rehab centres are a crock of SH1T.

When did all you lot lose the sense of comprehension? Mac is well known for that, but I credited most of you lot with more brains.

You're on form today son!

beninho wrote:If someone goes into a rehab centre and comes out not to use drink/drugs or gamble or whatever was impacting their life. Then the rehab centre has worked. You may think its a crock of sht, but then I would assume you are not an addict of any sort, obviously you are not because you are so strong willed you wont fall for that weakness.

You did say use your willpower instead of rehab, which means to me, that you believe that any addiction can be overcome by willpower alone. So i presume that if people cannot beat an addiction through willpower you would think they are weak willed. Have I misconstrued your words?

Any addiction CAN be overcome by willpower. There's countless number of people who do or have done just that.

My initial question was "Why do Americans always rely on Rehab" inferring that as they are only popular in America that it's largely LIFESTYLE based.

It's worth noting that these ridiculous organisations like AA, GA, SA etc NEVER reveal their success figures and that they claim failures are as a result of someone not following the programme properly. Typical circular reasoning from a religious organisation. They are actually quite cult-like.

There is NOTHING to suggest that the teachings of this type of rehab works any more than willpower or any other method of overcoming addiction.