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So it's confirmed.....mayweather vs Conor McGregor.
The lay public and mostly MMA fans will be most enthused by this fight. I think it's the start of a WWE style entertainment farce. People will be going crazy on social media about the legitimacy of this fight and how it's the greatest thing to ever happen. The reality is that it is chalk and cheese fighting......might as well pair Andy Murray up with Freddy flintoff for the WBA belt. The spanner in the works could be mayweather along lay off and age. Is this a horrendous scam fight or should we be excited that boxing is reaching even more platforms?

The way I see it is boxing fans and fraternity will naturally overplay the level of skill and ability required to make a transition from MMA to boxing for a fighter whose base is already boxing. It isn't that different, both guys get punched in the face for a living.

For me its a bit like transitioning from rugby league to union or Gaelic football to Aussie Rules. Similar sports with fairly different rules but similar physical requirements. There are many examples of players who have successfully transitioned in a short space of time. Brian Stynes to Aussie rules, Sonny Bill Williams to Union.

Whether the transition works or not usually depends on the will of the individual. For me McGregor is the special sort of talent that can hit the ground running. Whether that's enough to beat Mayweather time will tell.

Mayweather will prove all of that to be absolute nonsense but keep telling yourself that McGregor has a chance.

I'm Irish and I understand you're patriotic (trust me so am I). But lets use some common sense here.

Daley Thompson would of not beat Carl Lewis in 100m and McGregor will never beat Floyd in boxing.

GunsGermsV2 wrote:The way I see it is boxing fans and fraternity will naturally overplay the level of skill and ability required to make a transition from MMA to boxing for a fighter whose base is already boxing. It isn't that different, both guys get punched in the face for a living.

For me its a bit like transitioning from rugby league to union or Gaelic football to Aussie Rules. Similar sports with fairly different rules but similar physical requirements. There are many examples of players who have successfully transitioned in a short space of time. Brian Stynes to Aussie rules, Sonny Bill Williams to Union.

Whether the transition works or not usually depends on the will of the individual. For me McGregor is the special sort of talent that can hit the ground running. Whether that's enough to beat Mayweather time will tell.

Don't you know that saying such things mean you haven't a clue

I think there is also some snobbery in there, many in boxing still turn their noses up at MMA.

Well if you think a 0-0 boxer can beat Floyd, then obviously have no clue.

AdamT wrote:I'm Irish and I understand you're patriotic (trust me so am I). But lets use some common sense here.

Daley Thompson would of not beat Carl Lewis in 100m and McGregor will never beat Floyd in boxing.

There is 0.4secs between their PBs, are you saying given time training, focusing on 100 he couldn't shave that off his PB and match Lewis?

He wouldn't of had a prayer.

AdamT wrote:Well if you think a 0-0 boxer can beat Floyd, then obviously have no clue.

Im sure, there was me thinking he had a punchers chance

As I said though, snobbery

He has no chance.

AdamT wrote:He wouldn't of had a prayer.

marty2086 wrote:

AdamT wrote:Well if you think a 0-0 boxer can beat Floyd, then obviously have no clue.

Im sure, there was me thinking he had a punchers chance

As I said though, snobbery

Haven't the last 49 had a punchers chance? It seems a punchers chance is an inconsequential one.

Scottrf wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

AdamT wrote:Well if you think a 0-0 boxer can beat Floyd, then obviously have no clue.

Im sure, there was me thinking he had a punchers chance

As I said though, snobbery

Haven't the last 49 had a punchers chance? It seems a punchers chance is an inconsequential one.

I'm sure Buster Douglas would disagree

marty2086 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

AdamT wrote:Well if you think a 0-0 boxer can beat Floyd, then obviously have no clue.

Im sure, there was me thinking he had a punchers chance

As I said though, snobbery

Haven't the last 49 had a punchers chance? It seems a punchers chance is an inconsequential one.

I'm sure Buster Douglas would disagree

With his 10 round, accumulative KO

I forgot Mayweathers knocking McGregor out before it gets that far

AdamT wrote:I'm Irish and I understand you're patriotic (trust me so am I). But lets use some common sense here.

Daley Thompson would of not beat Carl Lewis in 100m and McGregor will never beat Floyd in boxing.

Being Irish has nothing to do with it. McGregor has loyal fans all over the world as does Mayweather. I wouldn't necessarily describe myself as a fan of either of these guys.

Comparing boxing vs MMA to a 100 meter v Decathlon isn't really common sense as there are less variables in sprinting. You are fast or you are not, less room for upsets. In fighting there are many ways to win. I prefer my analogies.

marty2086 wrote:I forgot Mayweathers knocking McGregor out before it gets that far

So you think Mayweather has been out partying for months and the best defensive fighter of his generation is going to be outboxed taking punishment for 10 rounds from a novice.

The Douglas-Tyson analogy is terrible. That's not what anyone means when they say punchers chance.

Matt Skelton would of had a punchers chance vs Ali (if they where in the same era).

Audley Harrison had a punchers chance vs Haye.

Hell, Freddie Flintoff could of beat Wlad Klitschko.

McGregor is getting beat silly.

AdamT wrote:Matt Skelton would of had a punchers chance vs Ali (if they where in the same era).

Audley Harrison had a punchers chance vs Haye.

Hell, Freddie Flintoff could of beat Wlad Klitschko.

McGregor is getting beat silly.

The only thing that is a "bit silly" is comparing an over weight retired cricketer to a professional fighter at the peak of his game. Terrible analogy.

marty2086 wrote:

AdamT wrote:Well if you think a 0-0 boxer can beat Floyd, then obviously have no clue.

Im sure, there was me thinking he had a punchers chance

As I said though, snobbery

Snobbery for using common sense and logic.

Martin Rogan would have more chance beating a prime George Foreman.

I think Mayweather is 40 years old and hasn't fought in two years, I'm sure he's stayed in shape but going into a full camp at the best of times is a struggle for boxers. Doing it after a break like that and past your peak is even harder, does his body hold up?

I think McGregor has the power to knock him out and the mentality to do it, I don't know if he has the technique. As McGregor says though, 'Precision beats power, timing beats speed'. Is he precise enough to do what no one else has done? Who knows but I'm intrigued and want to see what he can do in the ring

AdamT wrote:Martin Rogan would have more chance beating a prime George Foreman.

Rogan thought he could be Ali in his prime

Mayweather is more precise than Conor at punching lol

Alvarez, Cotto, Mosley, Marquez, Pacquiao, Corrales, Castillo, Hatton et all, take note, all you need is a bit of power and a foundation in MMA to beat Mayweather.

Conor missed loads on Diaz (landed quite a few too, I'll admit).

Conor walks forward in straight lines when he punches. He can't use leg kicks, or body kicks to set up his attack.

A 50 year old Floyd would win this fight, never mind 40. Easy money!

AdamT wrote:Conor missed loads on Diaz (landed quite a few too, I'll admit).

Conor walks forward in straight lines when he punches. He can't use leg kicks, or body kicks to set up his attack.

A 50 year old Floyd would win this fight, never mind 40. Easy money!

He actually uses angles to land his punches a bit but he sits way back in his stance, more so than most MMA fighters. He can't do that boxing, a change in stance could kill of a lot of his power if he's not comfortable or just doesn't get it right

I think he gets destroyed, but we will see.

PPV will be €25 on Sky Box Office. £20 in the UK

I'd happily pay 20 quid!

£19.99 is actually not bad at all. Beats the £59.99 we thought we were gonna get. Taking it back to the old school and staying up for this one.

Considering AJ v Wlad and Mayweather v Pacquiao were that price, it's pretty terrible.

Yeah I'm staying up too

So if this was an mma fight, would the mma fans be dismissive of mayweather's chances, or would they think his background in a combat sport would be transitional and give him a chance?

Real mma fans don't give Conor any hope in boxing. Two different sports.

Conor isn't even the best in his own f*****g sport.

He's the best publicist Adam.

He took a leaf out of Mayweather book, or dare I say Ali and ran with it.

He's a talented martial artist, but he isn't the best guy.

Jon Jones is the best Ultimate Fighter

marty2086 wrote:

AdamT wrote:I'm Irish and I understand you're patriotic (trust me so am I). But lets use some common sense here.

Daley Thompson would of not beat Carl Lewis in 100m and McGregor will never beat Floyd in boxing.

There is 0.4secs between their PBs, are you saying given time training, focusing on 100 he couldn't shave that off his PB and match Lewis?

I think the crux of the argument is here. 0.4 s over 100m doesn't sound much. In reality it's the difference between a 'nationals' standard sprinter  and a world champion. It's fine margins but it's a chasm. The 100m is the blue riband event of athletics. If daley Thompson  thought he could beat Carl Lewis with a bit of focus he would have tried it. But he knew different because he was good enough to understand the difference.

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

AdamT wrote:I'm Irish and I understand you're patriotic (trust me so am I). But lets use some common sense here.

Daley Thompson would of not beat Carl Lewis in 100m and McGregor will never beat Floyd in boxing.

Being Irish has nothing to do with it. McGregor has loyal fans all over the world as does Mayweather. I wouldn't necessarily describe myself as a fan of either of these guys.

Comparing boxing vs MMA to a 100 meter v Decathlon isn't really common sense as there are less variables in sprinting. You are fast or you are not, less room for upsets. In fighting there are many ways to win. I prefer my analogies.

Your analogy was rugby? Have there not way more failures than successes and do they not typically stick to the positions that require the least technical adjustment?

Have to admit that the way this fight has been sold is incredible.

Boxing could learn a lot from this.

Obviously the problem is if (when) the fight turns out to be a stinker a lot of the people buying into he hype will feel annoyed and possibly not fall for it again.

In a way it would be great if it was a close competitive fight to keep peoples interest in boxing after this.

MMA fans are also very loyal. On Facebook I have been called a Flomo at least 5 times. Given the fact I can't stand the man I find this quite amusing, I'm still a Pactard and proud of it!

It's a spectacle, no more, no less. Bit like the old carny fights where the 'champ' would take on all comers etc etc. I'd put any of the boxers in our gym up against Conor and reckon they'd beat him but you gotta look at it like Adam is, enjoy it for what it is and don't be bitching the morning after that it was a stinker etc

milkyboy wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

AdamT wrote:I'm Irish and I understand you're patriotic (trust me so am I). But lets use some common sense here.

Daley Thompson would of not beat Carl Lewis in 100m and McGregor will never beat Floyd in boxing.

Being Irish has nothing to do with it. McGregor has loyal fans all over the world as does Mayweather. I wouldn't necessarily describe myself as a fan of either of these guys.

Comparing boxing vs MMA to a 100 meter v Decathlon isn't really common sense as there are less variables in sprinting. You are fast or you are not, less room for upsets. In fighting there are many ways to win. I prefer my analogies.

Your analogy was rugby? Have there not way more failures than successes and do they not typically stick to the positions that require the least technical adjustment?

Probably there have been but some people have what it takes to cross over. I reckon McGregor will pull it off.

AdamT wrote:He took a leaf out of Mayweather book, or dare I say Ali and ran with it.

He's a talented martial artist, but he isn't the best guy.

Jon Jones is the best Ultimate Fighter

Jones is probably the most entertaining to watch but you could argue that Demetrius Johnson has a better record in title fights. 10 defenses vs Jones' 8.

You can easily make a case for McGregor being the first concurrent 2 division champ and one of the few fighters to win in three different divisions. McGregor probably has the most impressive career trajectory anyway.

milkyboy wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

AdamT wrote:I'm Irish and I understand you're patriotic (trust me so am I). But lets use some common sense here.

Daley Thompson would of not beat Carl Lewis in 100m and McGregor will never beat Floyd in boxing.

There is 0.4secs between their PBs, are you saying given time training, focusing on 100 he couldn't shave that off his PB and match Lewis?

I think the crux of the argument is here. 0.4 s over 100m doesn't sound much. In reality it's the difference between a 'nationals' standard sprinter  and a world champion. It's fine margins but it's a chasm. The 100m is the blue riband event of athletics. If daley Thompson  thought he could beat Carl Lewis with a bit of focus he would have tried it. But he knew different because he was good enough to understand the difference.

Always handy to have mind readers available

marty2086 wrote:Always handy to have mind readers available

He's right though. Thinking he could just start training and shave over 0.4 seconds over 100m is a bit silly. His 100m was also with the maximum allowed tailwind which is said to be worth 0.1s.

marty2086 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

AdamT wrote:Well if you think a 0-0 boxer can beat Floyd, then obviously have no clue.

Im sure, there was me thinking he had a punchers chance

As I said though, snobbery

Haven't the last 49 had a punchers chance? It seems a punchers chance is an inconsequential one.

I'm sure Buster Douglas would disagree

Buster Douglas the Boxer?

The crux of it is you have a guy who has never had a professional boxing bout vs one of the greatest of all time. As mentioned above 49 other boxers including multiple world champions and future HOFers have tried and failed. Guys who would make short work of McG. If he was fighting a domestic level boxer I still would give him little chance but one of the best, good luck...

Edit: coming from a fan of boxing and MMA so no snobbery here just common sense.

Chris Eubank reckons McGregor will win because he is Irish. Eubank is a gas lad.

marty2086 wrote:

milkyboy wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

AdamT wrote:I'm Irish and I understand you're patriotic (trust me so am I). But lets use some common sense here.

Daley Thompson would of not beat Carl Lewis in 100m and McGregor will never beat Floyd in boxing.

There is 0.4secs between their PBs, are you saying given time training, focusing on 100 he couldn't shave that off his PB and match Lewis?

I think the crux of the argument is here. 0.4 s over 100m doesn't sound much. In reality it's the difference between a 'nationals' standard sprinter  and a world champion. It's fine margins but it's a chasm. The 100m is the blue riband event of athletics. If daley Thompson  thought he could beat Carl Lewis with a bit of focus he would have tried it. But he knew different because he was good enough to understand the difference.

Always handy to have mind readers available

good deflection, much better than trying to back up your argument.

The reason I picked up on this is, i think a lot of people don't fully understand the levels involved at the very top of any sport. The differences are often not very visible and don't look much on paper, but the guys that do it, know the difference.

I know diddly about mma. I'd probably be a fan if I was born a bit later, but I still have nothing but respect for the guys who do it, a brutal way to earn a crust.  Having not laced boxing gloves up in anger either, Fingers would be quick to point out that as a middle class guardian reading cnut my view on boxing is irrelevant too, and he might well have a point.

But I'm giving it anyway... my none-technical uneducated breakdown is that what little I've seen of UFC the striking is markedly different to boxing. With different gloves and a stance designed to defend against takedowns and kicks the range is different. I don't imagine there's much cause to learn boxing inside nuances and combinations, catching punches, rolling with them, slipping and countering, the judgement of distance is different etc. These are things you can pick up and learn  but I don't believe they don't become second nature over night. You have habits to break as well as learn new ones.

That's my experience drawn from from the sports I have played to varying levels, and from many more years spectating, but I could be completely wrong, as the only comparable that matters here are other MMA fighters taking on a top class boxer under boxing rules. When someone shows me successful examples of this i'll take note, when i hear from MMA fighters who've tried this and believe the transformation is simple, I'll listen.

I think McGregor will try and roughhouse mayweather and will ship a lot of punishment coming in and then find that one of the reason's mayweather is so successful against guys who come at him, is that his inside game is as good as his counter-punching... McGregor will get discouraged pretty quickly with his lack of success and run out of ideas.

I've been wrong plenty before. If I wake up to news of McGregor sparking mayweather (which i'd love by the way as I can't stand mayweather), i'll be on here with my slice of humble pie, a salad and a glass of sauvignon blanc.

Nice post. I think the ten ounce pillows the fighters will be wearing and the standing count doesnt really make things easy at all for McGregor as he loves to go in a blitz other fighters and look for KOs.

I just feel there is something pretty special about McGregor's belief. Im buying into it. To hear someone so sure of themselves that they are going to win against all odds and then often do it is pretty incredible. The guy was telling everyone that would listen that he would be a UFC champion before he was even in the UFC. His own father thought he was bonkers and told him to stick to plumbing.

Its not something you see in many people. Anyway whatever happens I hope it isnt 12 rounds of hugging.

GunsGermsV2 wrote:Nice post. I think the ten ounce pillows the fighters will be wearing and the standing count doesnt really make things easy at all for McGregor as he loves to go in a blitz other fighters and look for KOs.

I just feel there is something pretty special about McGregor's belief. Im buying into it. To hear someone so sure of themselves that they are going to win against all odds and then often do it is pretty incredible. The guy was telling everyone that would listen that he would be a UFC champion before he was even in the UFC. His own father thought he was bonkers and told him to stick to plumbing.

Its not something you see in many people. Anyway whatever happens I hope it isnt 12 rounds of hugging.

The thing going against McGregor in a boxing match are the boxing rules

He is well used to the rules of boxing. He has been sparring his whole life. In any case I highlighted two of the rules of boxing that I think are particularly unfavorable for him.